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Serious Whether You First Have Sex By "Ascending" Or Prostitution, It's Going To Feel Like It's "Lacking" & Weird (That's Because Of Porn NOT "No Validation")

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Today I want to talk about something that I have never seen talked about on any forum really, much less an incel forum, and I think this is something VERY IMPORTANT that many incels who plan on "ascending" need to prepare for, and its also very important for incels who plan on paying for sex instead (escortceling)

This is going to allow you to have realistic expectations for your first time, and know really how fucked we are mentally at this point in our lives lol


When you are a "porn head" (only sexual experience comes from porn), and your only frame of reference for what sex is like comes from masturbating to porn, the first time you have sex or do any "sex act" with someone else is going to feel weird and surreal, because you are going to notice this weird "disconnect" between visuals and physical stimuli

When it happened to me (went to a brothel and paid for sex), I instantly realized why it was happening (it was obvious to me) and I was immediately worried, because I realized it was going to take me some months or even years of having sex to "rewrite" the "programming" I had done to myself by masturbating to porn

(No I am not going to stop masturbating now, nor do I advise any guy to sexually starve himself for years on end, before they are at any point to get into a relationship, or they are at any point to be wealthmaxxed and pay for sex regularly. I will only stop masturbating when I can finally pay for sex on a consistent basis)


I'm more of an ass man but I'm definitely a boob guy too, but here's the thing, like every other incel I'm used to jerking off while I'm seeing tits and watching someone else's hands on tits, so when I finally saw the tits myself and held them in my hands, it literally felt weird, like something was lacking, because the pleasure (stimulation to my penis) did not coincide with that experience

When that shit happened, I realized that there was this weird "feedback loop" that my brain was expecting. By just touching a breast my mind and body somehow expected to feel direct stimulation to my penis, I realized I was fucked lol

I just ignored that realization and got on with what I was doing because I paid my money and I was definitely going to finish

THE EXPERIENCE WAS STILL ENJOYABLE, I DON'T REGRET IT, BUT IT STILL FELT "LACKING" DUE TO THAT PROBLEM

I THINK THIS IS WHY SO MANY INCELS WHO PAID FOR SEX THEIR FIRST TIME END UP DISAPPOINTED. FOR SOME REASON THEY DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THE "DISCONNECT" THAT I DID

THEY FELT THAT THE EXPERIENCE WAS LACKING, BUT COULD NOT RECOGNIZE WHY


So a lot of us are literally going to have to retrain our fucking brains to feel "normal" having sex


FOR "NO FAPPERS"
To all the nofap idiots saying "this is why you should stop now"

NO, ITS TOO FUCKING LATE, THE ONLY WAY TO MOVE FORWARD IS BY HAVING SEX. UNTIL THEN, YOUR BRAIN'S ONLY FRAME OF REFERENCE FOR SEXUAL STIMULI IS YOU JERKING OFF AND WATCHING A VIDEO

IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE HAVING CONSISTENT (WEEKLY) SEX IN YOUR IMMEDIATE FUTURE, YOU ARE JUST TORTURING YOURSELF BY NOT MASTURBATING, IT WON'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE

ALSO SEE THIS THREAD, YOUR "NO PORN" LOGIC MAKES NO SENSE:

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Back to the matter at hand

The entire experience felt "lacking" and in that moment I knew why, because I was associating the pleasure I felt while masturbating, with the acts I saw that coincided with that pleasure. So when It was finally me doing the touching and groping, it felt weird to "feel nothing" (as in no direct pleasure to my loins) while it was happening

But when you think about it, YOU SHOULD NOT EXPECT TO FEEL PLEASURE IN YOUR PELVIC AREA JUST BECAUSE YOU GRABBED SOME BREASTS :feelskek:

So porn has really fucked my shit up, I can say that for a fact lol. Its a useful tool for now to keep me from being sex starved and suicidal but it is a double edged sword. A lot of you guys need to be aware that you will have this experience your first time, but you may not immediately recognize why the sex is feeling "lacking", or "empty", or "not as good as I thought it would be"

From there you'll probably end up telling yourself blue pilled garbage like "its because she didn't love me" or "its because there's no validation"

No, its because you fucked your brain up. Our brain builds up associations through stimuli and action, that's why there's such a thing as "muscle memory". We have all created associations in our mind with porn. You see at least with normies they masturbate but they also have sex lives, all we do is masturbate so WERE FUCKED lol


What I'm telling you is that don't go into this expecting some life changing experience that will be on par with porn

All I'm telling you is that its going to feel weird and "lacking" because your only frame of reference is porn

Not just that, but you've gotten yourself used to being aroused by your own hand, and also not being touched by someone else whilst doing a sex act, it is going to feel really weird. One of the weirdest things was the feeling of her hands on my body

It is seriously going to take a lot of us a few months of fucking whores (or having sex with our girlfriends if you are still some delusional "ascension" coper :feelskek:) to get to any sense of normalcy when it comes to sex. We've been deprived of sex for so long that something which should be natural to us is weird and uncomfortable

I was almost frozen by the feeling of her hands on me, and it wasn't fear, it was like shock, the entire thing just felt weird, it was surreal, and I know that isn't going to change for a long time. I'm not wealthmaxxed yet so reprogramming myself is years away from now, and when I start it might take a year or two to completely feel normal having sex. When I do start though I'm cutting out all porn for good (obviously), but for now there's no reason to stop, THE DAMAGE IS ALREADY DONE


FOR "ASCENSION" COPERS
That's what also confuses me about all these incels who think they are just going to "ascend" if they get a girlfriend. They don't realize how weird sex is going to be for them for their first time, they are going to feel very uncomfortable, you are going to have to untrain your brain from everything you've taught it by masturbating to porn for years

Not just that, retrain your body to be comfortable feeling sexual pleasure while being intimate with someone else

I'll say it again:
IT IS GOING TO FEEL WEIRD AS FUCK WHEN A WOMAN TOUCHES YOU INTIMATELY ON YOUR BODY (holds you, touches your back, grabs your butt, etc).

A lot of you guys act like this is "just like riding a bicycle" and you are going to be able to just jump into this new foreign experience, which is as foreign as an experience can be, when it comes to a man who has been deprived of sex and intimacy HIS ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE

This is not going to feel "comfortable" at all

That's the sad part about it, if any of you "ascension" copers even get a woman who is willing to fuck you, she is going to see not just how inexperienced you are, but how weird your responses will be to her touching you

So you better try and be mentally prepared for this shit, but even if you do prepare its still going to affect you

YOU'RE FUCKED lol

I'll say it again, your brain literally thinks that just from you seeing and holding titties you should feel pleasure, because when you see stuff like that you are jerking off (your brain has been trained to expect something)

Whereas with normal people, sex starts off as "foreplay" and stuff like that is done before any penetration even takes place, so for a man who has had a normal sex life, not feeling instant pleasure and direct stimulation during foreplay, is normal and expected (his brain and body are in sync with a natural sexual exeprience)

However when it comes to MEN LIKE US who have been sex starved our entire lives, and we've only ever masturbated. Were literally going to feel this weird kind of "disconnect" and "lacking" feeling, because the visual stimuli and expected physical stimuli doesn't match up

Everything feels "out of sync"
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All I can tell you guys is good luck, but yeah, were all fucking fucked due to being deprived of years of sex and intimacy and having to substitute with porn, keep that in mind while you are trying to "ascend" and/or "escortcel"

The first time, and second time, and third time, etc, etc aren't going to be the times when you finally say "this just feels right", I'm sorry, life dealt us a bad hand in more ways than you expected. You better be in this for the long haul if you ever want to get better

So to all the escortcels who were disappointed by their first time, get over it. Its actually pretty naive that you expected your first time would be great, as if your years of sexual starvation and/or masturbating to porn would not have any long term psychological effects

Things are going to get worse before they get better

This shit is not going to be easy, but when has life ever been easy for men like us
 
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BlkPillPres said:
a man who has been deprived of sex and intimacy HIS ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE
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I also felt the exact same thing you described, for me the sensations I was feeling didnt match up with what my brain expected.

She started to blow me with her clothes on and it was 1 to 1 with what you described when you touched breasts. Brain was expecting one thing yet a very different thing was actually happening.

Absolute suicide fuel.
 
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God IQ thread. I think. I wouldn't know, but you made my day at least ten times worse. :feelswhat:
 
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I wish i could simply eliminate my sex drive and be done with this bullshit
 
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BrokenMan said:
I wish i could simply eliminate my sex drive and be done with this bullshit
 
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BrokenMan said:
I wish i could simply eliminate my sex drive and be done with this bullshit
I remember when I used to think this too, but then I realized that would just be me letting society "win"

I see my future triumphs and days filled with pleasure, as not only a defiance of society and its expectations for a low tier male like myself, but I also it as me defying God (if it/he exists) and whatever "destiny" was intended for me

This is why I would never even consider castrating myself like that
 
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BlkPillPres said:
I remember when I used to think this too, but then I realized that would just be me letting society "win"

I see my future triumphs and days filled with pleasure, as not only a defiance of society and its expectations for a low tier male like myself, but I also so it as me defying God (if it/he exists) and whatever "destiny" was intended for me

This is why I would never even consider castrating myself like that
Why not drugmaxx instead? If you know how to use drugs and you use good drugs you can get much more dopamine than you'd get from sex and you can spend the money from escorts on drugs instead
 
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BrokenMan said:
Why not drugmaxx instead? If you know how to use drugs and you use good drugs you can get much more dopamine than you'd get from sex and you can spend the money from escorts on drugs instead
I like the idea of sex more than every drug, and sex is basically a drug, its the best drug, its a drug with no side effects (unless you don't pull out lol)

Your logic of "just become a drug addict" seems like a ridiculous escalation

Drugs could never replace sex anyways dude, its not just about dopamine

Its about the feeling of dominance a man gets when a woman submits her body to his use, its the feeling of another warm body next you as you bring yourself to the heights of pleasure

Sitting in some corner like a crackhead and shooting your veins up with heroine can't replace that lol, it can't even compare, you will get a stronger dopamine rush but you won't get the other things you get out of sex

How can I put it, this is like me saying I want to eat some special dairy queen blizzard flavor and your response is to just to eat a bucket of brown sugar because "you'll get more glucose, its sweeter, you'll get a better sugar rush"

True, you'll get a better sugar rush from eating a ton of literal sugar just like you'll get a ton more dopamine from using drugs

But sugar by itself isn't creamy, rich, delicious, etc, it doesn't make your mouth water, do you get the point?

The experiences can't even be compared even if their sugar content can be measured
 
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BlkPillPres said:
But sugar by itself isn't creamy, rich, delicious, etc, it doesn't make your mouth water, do you get the point?
Tell that to the guy nodding out with a needle sticking out his arm :feelshaha:
 
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BlkPillPres said:
I like the idea of sex more than every drug, and sex is basically a drug, its the best drug, its a drug with no side effects (unless you don't pull out lol)

Your logic of "just become a drug addict" seems like a ridiculous escalation

Drugs could never replace sex anyways dude, its not just about dopamine

Its about the feeling of dominance a man gets when a woman submits her body to his use, its the feeling of another warm body next you as you bring yourself to the heights of pleasure

Sitting in some corner like a crackhead and shooting your veins up with heroine can't replace that lol, it can't even compare, you will get a stronger dopamine rush but you won't get the other things you get out of sex

How can I put it, this is like me saying I want to eat some special dairy queen blizzard flavor and your response is to just to eat a bucket of brown sugar because "you'll get more glucose, its sweeter, you'll get a better sugar rush"

True, you'll get a better sugar rush from eating a ton of literal sugar just like you'll get a ton more dopamine from using drugs

But sugar isn't creamy, and rich and delicious, and makes your mouth water, do you get the point?
You're not gonna do drugs everyday the same way you're not gonna fuck escorts everyday. Also sex isn't the best drug, not by a long shot. After you fuck dozens of escorts eventually you will get bored of sex, or it just won't be as special anymore. The reason why Buddha said that life is suffering isn't because life is full of problems, but because everything we strive for and everything we deprive pleasure from eventually loses it's magic and you become desensitized to it


Also i don't understand why do you claim that sex is different from drugs when you already consider sex as mere pleasure and that validation, affection, etc, are all worthless? Also dominating a woman won'f amount much than ego satisfaction, which you also claim that you've already killed and don't possess anymore. At the end, scientifically pleasure is just dopamine flooding the brain, which you can achieve much better by using drugs conservatively, so why not?


Also you have a very wrapped view of drug users. Not all of them are crackheaded losers. If you know which drugs to avoid and how to use them wisely you won't get fucked. Nearly all normies do drugs btw and they're functioning fine, it's just propaganda from the government to demonize drugs in order to control the population and keep the money for themselves


Saying drugs destroy lives is as inaccurate as saying that every escortceller is std-ridden 2/10 truecel. Just an empty stereotype that is dependant on each individual and how intelligent they're
 
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BrokenMan said:
You're not gonna do drugs everyday the same way you're not gonna fuck escorts everyday.
Depends on how wealthmaxxed I am, if I can afford to I will fuck escorts EVERY FUCKING DAY lol

Dude if you are rich what is $50 a day?

Yes, there a places you can live where you can fuck a 6+ in all her holes for $50

Why wouldn't you fuck like crazy every day?

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Also i don't understand why do you claim that sex is different from drugs
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sex is basically a drug, its the best drug, its a drug with no side effects (unless you don't pull out lol)


Dude let me cut to the chase

I don't know why you are so adamant about this, it seems more like you are trying to convince yourself right now and you need someone else to validate the decision

If you want to go be a druggie go do that, that won't affect my life lol (it doesn't sound like a safe path to me though)

I don't like the idea of using drugs, I never liked the idea of using drugs, always hated how people acted when they were high or drunk, drugs just turn you into a mindless idiot (even if temporarily) and they usually result in long term behavioral changes (and it just so happens that most drugs have a lot of fucked up side effects)


If you'd much rather be high than fuck women IDK what to tell you (that's very ironic for an incel), that just sounds ridiculous as fuck to me

Maybe its because you've never had sex yet (you should try it once before you decide)

I fucked a whore once years ago and I know I want to do nothing but that everyday for the rest of my life

DRUGS TO ME COULD NEVER COME REMOTELY CLOSE TO THAT EXPERIENCE, AND IT WASN'T EVEN THAT GOOD


You can go ahead and buy weed or whatever the hell else you want to buy, I'd much rather be "trying anal for the first time" than "trying shrooms for the first time"

This is truly a weird experience right now, its surreal. I am actually arguing with an INCEL (someone who is FORCED to be CELIBATE), and trying to convince him that he should WANT TO NOT BE CELIBATE and enjoy having sex :feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek:

I have nothing else to say on the matter
 
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BlkPillPres said:
Depends on how wealthmaxxed I am, if I can afford to I will fuck escorts EVERY FUCKING DAY lol

Dude if you are rich what is $50 a day?

Yes, there a places you can live where you can fuck a 6+ in all her holes for $50

Why wouldn't you fuck like crazy every day?





Dude let me cut to the chase

I don't know why you are so adamant about this, it seems more like you are trying to convince yourself right now and you need someone else to validate the decision

If you want to go be a druggie go do that, that won't affect my life lol (it doesn't sound like a safe path to me though)

I don't like the idea of using drugs, I never liked the idea of using drugs, always hated how people acted when they were high or drunk, drugs just turn you into a mindless idiot (even if temporarily) and they usually result in long term behavioral changes (and it just so happens that most drugs have a lot of fucked up side effects)


If you'd much rather be high than fuck women IDK what to tell you (that's very ironic for an incel), that just sounds ridiculous as fuck to me

Maybe its because you've never had sex yet (you should try it once before you decide)

I fucked a whore once years ago and I know I want to do nothing but that everyday for the rest of my life

DRUGS TO ME COULD NEVER COME REMOTELY CLOSE TO THAT EXPERIENCE, AND IT WASN'T EVEN THAT GOOD


You can go ahead and buy weed or whatever the hell else you want to buy, I'd much rather be "trying anal for the first time" than "trying shrooms for the first time"

This is truly a weird experience right now, its surreal. I am actually arguing with an INCEL (someone who is FORCED to be CELIBATE), and trying to convince him that he should WANT TO NOT BE CELIBATE and enjoy having sex :feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek:

I have nothing else to say on the matter
You do whatever makes you happy bro, drugs were just a suggested alternative and it's a matter of opinions and preferences. If you think you will achieve happiness through escortcelling instead of drugmaxxing then go for it
 
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BrokenMan said:
You do whatever makes you happy bro, drugs were just a suggested alternative and it's a matter of opinions and preferences. If you think you will achieve happiness through escortcelling instead of drugmaxxing then go for it
For me Its not about "happiness", its about "physical satisfaction" (something very specific and objectively defined)

In my book "happiness" doesn't exist, because its based on personal opinions and nobody can ever give you a list of objective criteria to define it. If you can't define something how can you assert that it actually exists?

There are literal cucks in open relationships that are genuinely "happy" in those relationships because its "their fetish"

There's some poor farmer in some crappy 3rd world country that is genuinely "happy" just to be able to provide for and feed his family, even though that struggle is all his life will ever be

"Happiness" doesn't matter, because anyone can be "happy" under virtually any circumstances, and that is by definition self delusion, that is one lacking self awareness of their own situation and accepting whatever comes their way, whatever suits their preferences at the time


I think this relates perfectly back to why I hate drugs, because they function like "happiness" does. Drug use is you using a substance to "trick your brain" into giving you a "does of happiness" that was supposed to come about through a natural process at a smaller dosage (sleeping, eating, sex, etc)

If you use drugs you can probably convince yourself to be "happy" in any kind of life

Now ask yourself, isn't that dangerous?. What if you don't notice (or care to notice) your entire life "falling apart around you" because you are just enjoying using drugs recreationally so much

The people who I have met in life that were drug users, were all individuals who were proficient in self delusion and just accepting whatever circumstances they were in, because they can always depend on that "next hit" to get them through the day

Everything that I want from life is very specific and I try to avoid vague conceptual things, because that leads to self delusion. It is literally possible for you to convince yourself that something is "good for you" if you are deciding the worth of things based on subjective criteria ("happiness" is the peak of subjectivity)

This is why I laugh when people say "I just want to be happy". If that's what you want, that's what you'll find, because it can be found very easily since it can be literally any circumstance, you'll just accept whatever comes your way in your pursuit of "happiness"
 
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i don't watch porn. being a cuck paying for pussy SHOULD feel bad. it's cucked and low t.
 
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kanyepilled said:
being a cuck paying for pussy SHOULD feel bad. it's cucked and low t.
So no dating for you and trying to "ascend" right?
 
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For me Its not about "happiness", its about "physical satisfaction" (something very specific and objectively defined)

In my book "happiness" doesn't exist, because its based on personal opinions and nobody can ever give you a list of objective criteria to define it. If you can't define something how can you assert that it actually exists?

There are literal cucks in open relationships that are genuinely "happy" in those relationships because its "their fetish"

There's some poor farmer in some crappy 3rd world country that is genuinely "happy" just to be able to provide for and feed his family, even though that struggle is all his life will ever be

"Happiness" doesn't matter, because anyone can be "happy" under virtually any circumstances, and that is by definition self delusion, that is one lacking self awareness of their own situation and accepting whatever comes their way, whatever suits their preferences at the time


I think this relates perfectly back to why I hate drugs, because they function like "happiness" does. Drug use is you using a substance to "trick your brain" into giving you a "does of happiness" that was supposed to come about through a natural process at a smaller dosage (sleeping, eating, sex, etc)

If you use drugs you can probably convince yourself to be "happy" in any kind of life

Now ask yourself, isn't that dangerous?. What if you don't notice (or care to notice) your entire life "falling apart around you" because you are just enjoying using drugs recreationally so much

The people who I have met in life that were drug users, were all individuals who were proficient in self delusion and just accepting whatever circumstances they were in, because they can always depend on that "next hit" to get them through the day

Everything that I want from life is very specific and I try to avoid vague conceptual things, because that leads to self delusion. It is literally possible for you to convince yourself that something is "good for you" if you are deciding the worth of things based on subjective criteria ("happiness" is the peak of subjectivity)

This is why I laugh when people say "I just want to be happy". If that's what you want, that's what you'll find, because it can be found very easily since it can be literally any circumstance, you'll just accept whatever comes your way in your pursuit of "happiness"
I didn't mean "happiness" in the traditional sense either since i don't believe it's real. I meant do whatever makes you feel satisifed with life and yourself, but as English isn't my firsr language, "happiness" was the most appropriate word i could find
 
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i don´t have expectations, i just one to cuddle with the person after i have sex with her.
 
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BlkPillPres said:
So no dating for you and trying to "ascend" right?
nigga links his own thread like it has weight in this conversation :feelshaha: your opinion on dating is as retarded--if not more than your opinion on prostitutes. women being attracted to a man she's dating destroys your whole thread.
 
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kanyepilled said:
nigga links his own thread like it has weight in this conversation
It doesn't "add weight", its an argument I already made, no point in me typing it over

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women being attracted to a man she's dating destroys your whole thread.
1. Women are never usually equally attracted to the man that took them out on a date, which leads to point 2

2. If she was genuinely (equally) attracted it would have been a one night stand, the guy wouldn't have to "ask her out", she'd probably just fuck him in the bathroom of whatever establishment he approached her in (unless they met on the streets lol)

3. Ironically guys like you will contradict yourself and in future threads state that women aren't attracted to most of the guys they are dating or are married to (so are you in our current case arguing that the exception to the rule now disproves the rule and "destroys my whole thread"?)



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I didn't mean "happiness" in the traditional sense either since i don't believe it's real. I meant do whatever makes you feel satisifed with life and yourself, but as English isn't my firsr language, "happiness" was the most appropriate word i could find
I wish I could speak a second language this well :cryfeels:
 
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I wish I could speak a second language this well :cryfeels:
Learn some Dutch,German or portuguese it will be easy. Theses language are easy for English speakers especially the germanic ones since English is of the Germanic branch. I probably might be a little bias though since learning languages for me is kinda easy. Language aren’t based on objectivity unlike say maths.
 
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Learn some Dutch,German or portuguese it will be easy. Theses language are easy for English speakers especially the germanic ones since English is of the Germanic branch. I probably might be a little bias though since learning languages for me is kinda easy. Language aren’t based on objectivity unlike say maths.
German is objectively really difficult especially for native English speakers.
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Damn, son. This is the reason why I would never escortcel. I don't think I could deal with the awkwardness of it all. I'd rather jerk off forever tbh.
 
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SerCel said:
Damn, son. This is the reason why I would never escortcel. I don't think I could deal with the awkwardness of it all. I'd rather jerk off forever tbh.
You are either:
1. Young, so you haven't gotten to the point where porn is mediocre when it comes to satisfaction (because you've spent so many years masturbating to something that you actually want to do it yourself more everytime you see it)

2. Old, so your libido is dying

The more porn I watch the more I want to have sex, and the more I want to have sex the more I use porn as a temporary outlet

This is the feedback loop I'm stuck in, the only way out is to get a "sex life"
 
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FOR "NO FAPPERS"
To all the nofap idiots saying "this is why you should stop now"

NO, ITS TOO FUCKING LATE, THE ONLY WAY TO MOVE FORWARD IS BY HAVING SEX. UNTIL THEN, YOUR BRAIN'S ONLY FRAME OF REFERENCE FOR SEXUAL STIMULI IS YOU JERKING OFF AND WATCHING A VIDEO

IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE HAVING CONSISTENT (WEEKLY) SEX IN YOUR IMMEDIATE FUTURE, YOU ARE JUST TORTURING YOURSELF BY NOT MASTURBATING, IT WON'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE

ALSO SEE THIS THREAD, YOUR "NO PORN" LOGIC MAKES NO SENSE:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I've been doing nofap for almost 7 months now.
Every time I started a streak I did it with the intention of removing all sexual stimulation from my life so that I could become a monk-like, calm, emotionless, asexual being. Of course these attempts always ended in relapse until 2019, when I finally made a realization at the end of the third week of my streak:

I can actually have sex if I pay for it.
I mean of course I knew about the existence of prostitution, but when I had masturbated to porn every day, I never even considered that I could actually lose my virginity that way.
Since then, I've had a couple of streaks (some ended in a couple of days, but the current one stays intact), but I always felt way more motivation to call an escort after at least a week on nofap.

So even though you're probably right that I have already fucked my mind up with the overconsumption of porn, nofap can still be a good way to collect libido/frustration or whatever you want to call it and use this tension to visit an escort. At least in my case, I've had sex maybe 7 times in the last 7 months, way more regularly than before.

Yes, the ideal lifestyle (if becoming an asexual robot unfortunately isn't an option :feelshaha:) would be moneymaxxing enough to be able to afford 1-2 escorts every week. Actually, it is not even that impossible.
 
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kampman said:
Yes, the ideal lifestyle (if becoming an asexual robot unfortunately isn't an option :feelshaha:) would be moneymaxxing enough to be able to afford 1-2 escorts every week. Actually, it is not even that impossible.
It definitely isn't impossible for most of us because as incel males we have on average more expendable income than any other group (outside of individuals born into wealth)

On top of that we have a ton of free time since were not doing any partying, or dating, or "hanging out", so in my book there's no excuse

I'll tell you one thing though, when my life finally kicks off I'm going to get banned from this forum, because I'm coming here to make a goodbye brag thread to piss off all the LDAR retards that plague this forum :feelskek:

A lot of these guys don't get that most men's lives peak when they reach their 30's, so as much as we've missed out on, we can more than make up for it later, but ONLY if we work towards financial success

I do not want to wake up a broke 30 year old loser that can't have sex regularly, I'd kill myself before I get to that point
 
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not much the porn thing but I was on antidepressants when I did it for the first time which kinda numbs you a little bit so I feel I missed a little bit of the experience, one good thing about sex is that horniness you get that makes every touch even more enjoyable

you know what would be great? If I had have sex whilst a teen, with all my hormones sky high, that would be one hell of an experience
 
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this won't happen with me though, i'm too low t, so i don't expect to get pleasure out of anything, and porn doesn't amuse me at all anymore. So if i had sex i would just "wanna have sex" not need pleasure

btw op, where do u suggest i find a brothel at?
 
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this won't happen with me though, i'm too low t, so i don't expect to get pleasure out of anything, and porn doesn't amuse me at all anymore. So if i had sex i would just "wanna have sex" not need pleasure

btw op, where do u suggest i find a brothel at?
Check out 11gaijin @11gaijin guide, there's a website linked that documents the prostitution/escort scene for various countries
 
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That's Because Of Porn​

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I wish i could simply eliminate my sex drive and be done with this bullshit
Can you fap?

Fapping multiple times a day (or even once in my case) is enough to kill your sex drive. But that will not change anything. The depression that comes from being undesired is far stronger than any blue balls.
 
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You know it’s a black pill press post when it’s a book length long and there are big blue letters Jfl. Good post though. I’ll keep this in mind when I get my first escort.
 
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great post
lack of experience is a pain in the ass the older you are and let’s face it, nobody here is 15 anymore
 
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let’s face it, nobody here is 15 anymore
I wish that was true lol, this site needs stricter policing
 
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This goes to show just how disconnected we are from reality.

The very concept of having sex is so alien to that if one of us did manage to get to that point we wouldn't know how to process it.
 
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This goes to show just how disconnected we are from reality.

The very concept of having sex is so alien to that if one of us did manage to get to that point we wouldn't know how to process it.
Were going to have to move past those limitations at some point, I don't know how guys who refuse to pay for sex are going to pull that off though lol

You will only get so many "pity fucks" from a woman that likes you, JFL if you think you are going to get enough "learning sessions" with a woman who is just tolerating your lack of experience

Were going to need to have sex at least 50 times before we get used to it, there's a huge learning curve for us

This is another reason why "ascension" is a cope, it doesn't exist, unless you plan on converting to a muslim and getting a virgin wife in an Islamic state you are never going to "ascend" (and most incels aren't willing to do that because "Muh Christian God which made me ugly to suffer loves me and I have to stay in this shitty unstrict religion that allows faggots to be pastors" :feelskek:)
 
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Were going to have to move past those limitations at some point, I don't know how guys who refuse to pay for sex are going to pull that off though lol

You will only get so many "pity fucks" from a woman that likes you, JFL if you think you are going to get enough "learning sessions" with a woman who is just tolerating your lack of experience

Were going to need to have sex at least 50 times before we get used to it, there's a huge learning curve for us

This is another reason why "ascension" is a cope, it doesn't exist, unless you plan on converting to a muslim and getting a virgin wife in an Islamic state you are never going to "ascend" (and most incels aren't willing to do that because "Muh Christian God which made me ugly to suffer loves me and I have to stay in this shitty unstrict religion that allows faggots to be pastors" :feelskek:)
Anyone here who still believes in "ascension" is fucking delusional at this point. The closest thing would be marrying some 40 year old roastie landwhale who will never have sex with you and will only see you as a walking ATM. (And we both know that escortmaxxing is far cheaper and will actually result in you having sex so why even bother degrading yourself like that?)

I always respected Islam to some extent just because they're the only religion left that still knows how to keep their women in line. Christianity has become a mockery of everything it once stood for, to the point where modern "Christians" would have been stoned back in the day for their degenerate beliefs. I still don't believe in the existence of benevolent God (any deity that would allow things like inceldom and lookism to exist in his world is an asshole imo) but anyone who thinks that foids don't deserve rights is giga based.
 
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I'm a lurker here but I saw this thread yesterday and I had to make an account so I could post. This post is very big-brain and true; I had the exact same thing happen to me except I didn't understand why it was happening (I knew something was fked up with my brain tho). All I can say is that I went multiple times over a two month period and things got better but I still had the disconnect and weird feeling that something was off because my brain was conditioned unnaturally. I haven't gone back for almost an year now because I have been investing my money instead of spending it but I expect it will take a lot of time to fix this even once I do start going again (Edit: Wanted to say thanks to OP because now I finally understand wtf was going on)

Anyways what I really wanted to say is a message to BlkPillPres @BlkPillPres I've read every one of your posts on this forum I could find and they're all very true and wise, please don't stop posting and sharing your wisdom here bro, you are a real asset to the community
 
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Anyways what I really wanted to say is a message to BlkPillPres @BlkPillPres I've read every one of your posts on this forum I could find and they're all very true and wise, please don't stop posting and sharing your wisdom here bro, you are a real asset to the community
Thank you

The sad thing is its going to take a lot of work for any of us to "become normal" sexually, where going to have to get rid of porn brain and even take shit like Maca to regain our sexual health and "normalize" ourselves again, its probably going to take years for me, but even now I'll have to take years to wealthmaxx before I can even begin that process

The life we live in this modern age has men in a panic playing a game of "catch up"
 
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The fault lies entirely with our parents as it is their bloody job to keep porn away from us from the start. Its so completely obvious to me that if i ever had kids, i´d install internet blockers & never talk about porn & encourage my kids early on about sexuality irl. Not have it be a taboo subject. Both my parents are boomers and they were more useless than a garbage bag.
Parents should talk with their kids about real life sex and encourage them to lose their virginity. Not encourage gaming and nerdy behaviour in general. I actually believe, ironically, that incels would make better parents due to knwoing how not to parent.

Its like with drugs. Try it once, you´re often fucked. Like if you were given too much sugar by your parents, or hard drugs from bad relations. People who say you shouldnt push blame on others are stupid. No one has 100% free will. We are all affected by our surroundings.

The most important decision anyone has in life (if he has the opportunity) is whether to have kids, when to have kids and with who. There are the people who have kids but shouldnt, or those who dont have but should. Theres also those who have who should ofc and those who dont have who shouldnt, thankfully
 
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I'm a lurker here but I saw this thread yesterday and I had to make an account so I could post. This post is very big-brain and true; I had the exact same thing happen to me except I didn't understand why it was happening (I knew something was fked up with my brain tho). All I can say is that I went multiple times over a two month period and things got better but I still had the disconnect and weird feeling that something was off because my brain was conditioned unnaturally. I haven't gone back for almost an year now because I have been investing my money instead of spending it but I expect it will take a lot of time to fix this even once I do start going again (Edit: Wanted to say thanks to OP because now I finally understand wtf was going on)

Anyways what I really wanted to say is a message to BlkPillPres @BlkPillPres I've read every one of your posts on this forum I could find and they're all very true and wise, please don't stop posting and sharing your wisdom here bro, you are a real asset to the community
Exactly the same with me bro. Had to make an account to show BlkPillPres BlkPillPres some respect. His posts are all high IQ and make me question many things in my life.
 
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BrokenMan said:
I wish i could simply eliminate my sex drive and be done with this bullshit
Have you ever tried anti-libido pills?
BlkPillPres said:
It definitely isn't impossible for most of us because as incel males we have on average more expendable income than any other group (outside of individuals born into wealth)

On top of that we have a ton of free time since were not doing any partying, or dating, or "hanging out", so in my book there's no excuse

I'll tell you one thing though, when my life finally kicks off I'm going to get banned from this forum, because I'm coming here to make a goodbye brag thread to piss off all the LDAR retards that plague this forum :feelskek:

A lot of these guys don't get that most men's lives peak when they reach their 30's, so as much as we've missed out on, we can more than make up for it later, but ONLY if we work towards financial success

I do not want to wake up a broke 30 year old loser that can't have sex regularly, I'd kill myself before I get to that point
What does LDAR mean?
BlkPillPres said:
Thank you

The sad thing is its going to take a lot of work for any of us to "become normal" sexually, where going to have to get rid of porn brain and even take shit like Maca to regain our sexual health and "normalize" ourselves again, its probably going to take years for me, but even now I'll have to take years to wealthmaxx before I can even begin that process

The life we live in this modern age has men in a panic playing a game of "catch up"
Your are very wise bro. How old are you?
 
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What does LDAR mean?
Lie Down And Rot, it basically means do nothing all day, laze around - sleep, play video games, watch anime, etc
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Your are very wise bro. How old are you?
I would not say I'm wise, just observant and honest with myself, and I'm in my 20's, won't say my exact age just yet
 
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Today I want to talk about something that I have never seen talked about on any forum really, much less an incel forum, and I think this is something VERY IMPORTANT that many incels who plan on "ascending" need to prepare for, and its also very important for incels who plan on paying for sex instead (escortceling)

This is going to allow you to have realistic expectations for your first time, and know really how fucked we are mentally at this point in our lives lol


When you are a "porn head" (only sexual experience comes from porn), and your only frame of reference for what sex is like comes from masturbating to porn, the first time you have sex or do any "sex act" with someone else is going to feel weird and surreal, because you are going to notice this weird "disconnect" between visuals and physical stimuli

When it happened to me (went to a brothel and paid for sex), I instantly realized why it was happening (it was obvious to me) and I was immediately worried, because I realized it was going to take me some months or even years of having sex to "rewrite" the "programming" I had done to myself by masturbating to porn

(No I am not going to stop masturbating now, nor do I advise any guy to sexually starve himself for years on end, before they are at any point to get into a relationship, or they are at any point to be wealthmaxxed and pay for sex regularly. I will only stop masturbating when I can finally pay for sex on a consistent basis)


I'm more of an ass man but I'm definitely a boob guy too, but here's the thing, like every other incel I'm used to jerking off while I'm seeing tits and watching someone else's hands on tits, so when I finally saw the tits myself and held them in my hands, it literally felt weird, like something was lacking, because the pleasure (stimulation to my penis) did not coincide with that experience

When that shit happened, I realized that there was this weird "feedback loop" that my brain was expecting. By just touching a breast my mind and body somehow expected to feel direct stimulation to my penis, I realized I was fucked lol

I just ignored that realization and got on with what I was doing because I paid my money and I was definitely going to finish

THE EXPERIENCE WAS STILL ENJOYABLE, I DON'T REGRET IT, BUT IT STILL FELT "LACKING" DUE TO THAT PROBLEM

I THINK THIS IS WHY SO MANY INCELS WHO PAID FOR SEX THEIR FIRST TIME END UP DISAPPOINTED. FOR SOME REASON THEY DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THE "DISCONNECT" THAT I DID

THEY FELT THAT THE EXPERIENCE WAS LACKING, BUT COULD NOT RECOGNIZE WHY


So a lot of us are literally going to have to retrain our fucking brains to feel "normal" having sex


FOR "NO FAPPERS"
To all the nofap idiots saying "this is why you should stop now"

NO, ITS TOO FUCKING LATE, THE ONLY WAY TO MOVE FORWARD IS BY HAVING SEX. UNTIL THEN, YOUR BRAIN'S ONLY FRAME OF REFERENCE FOR SEXUAL STIMULI IS YOU JERKING OFF AND WATCHING A VIDEO

IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE HAVING CONSISTENT (WEEKLY) SEX IN YOUR IMMEDIATE FUTURE, YOU ARE JUST TORTURING YOURSELF BY NOT MASTURBATING, IT WON'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE

ALSO SEE THIS THREAD, YOUR "NO PORN" LOGIC MAKES NO SENSE:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Back to the matter at hand

The entire experience felt "lacking" and in that moment I knew why, because I was associating the pleasure I felt while masturbating, with the acts I saw that coincided with that pleasure. So when It was finally me doing the touching and groping, it felt weird to "feel nothing" (as in no direct pleasure to my loins) while it was happening

But when you think about it, YOU SHOULD NOT EXPECT TO FEEL PLEASURE IN YOUR PELVIC AREA JUST BECAUSE YOU GRABBED SOME BREASTS :feelskek:

So porn has really fucked my shit up, I can say that for a fact lol. Its a useful tool for now to keep me from being sex starved and suicidal but it is a double edged sword. A lot of you guys need to be aware that you will have this experience your first time, but you may not immediately recognize why the sex is feeling "lacking", or "empty", or "not as good as I thought it would be"

From there you'll probably end up telling yourself blue pilled garbage like "its because she didn't love me" or "its because there's no validation"

No, its because you fucked your brain up. Our brain builds up associations through stimuli and action, that's why there's such a thing as "muscle memory". We have all created associations in our mind with porn. You see at least with normies they masturbate but they also have sex lives, all we do is masturbate so WERE FUCKED lol


What I'm telling you is that don't go into this expecting some life changing experience that will be on par with porn

All I'm telling you is that its going to feel weird and "lacking" because your only frame of reference is porn

Not just that, but you've gotten yourself used to being aroused by your own hand, and also not being touched by someone else whilst doing a sex act, it is going to feel really weird. One of the weirdest things was the feeling of her hands on my body

It is seriously going to take a lot of us a few months of fucking whores (or having sex with our girlfriends if you are still some delusional "ascension" coper :feelskek:) to get to any sense of normalcy when it comes to sex. We've been deprived of sex for so long that something which should be natural to us is weird and uncomfortable

I was almost frozen by the feeling of her hands on me, and it wasn't fear, it was like shock, the entire thing just felt weird, it was surreal, and I know that isn't going to change for a long time. I'm not wealthmaxxed yet so reprogramming myself is years away from now, and when I start it might take a year or two to completely feel normal having sex. When I do start though I'm cutting out all porn for good (obviously), but for now there's no reason to stop, THE DAMAGE IS ALREADY DONE


FOR "ASCENSION" COPERS
That's what also confuses me about all these incels who think they are just going to "ascend" if they get a girlfriend. They don't realize how weird sex is going to be for them for their first time, they are going to feel very uncomfortable, you are going to have to untrain your brain from everything you've taught it by masturbating to porn for years

Not just that, retrain your body to be comfortable feeling sexual pleasure while being intimate with someone else

I'll say it again:
IT IS GOING TO FEEL WEIRD AS FUCK WHEN A WOMAN TOUCHES YOU INTIMATELY ON YOUR BODY (holds you, touches your back, grabs your butt, etc).

A lot of you guys act like this is "just like riding a bicycle" and you are going to be able to just jump into this new foreign experience, which is as foreign as an experience can be, when it comes to a man who has been deprived of sex and intimacy HIS ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE

This is not going to feel "comfortable" at all

That's the sad part about it, if any of you "ascension" copers even get a woman who is willing to fuck you, she is going to see not just how inexperienced you are, but how weird your responses will be to her touching you

So you better try and be mentally prepared for this shit, but even if you do prepare its still going to affect you

YOU'RE FUCKED lol

I'll say it again, your brain literally thinks that just from you seeing and holding titties you should feel pleasure, because when you see stuff like that you are jerking off (your brain has been trained to expect something)

Whereas with normal people, sex starts off as "foreplay" and stuff like that is done before any penetration even takes place, so for a man who has had a normal sex life, not feeling instant pleasure and direct stimulation during foreplay, is normal and expected (his brain and body are in sync with a natural sexual exeprience)

However when it comes to MEN LIKE US who have been sex starved our entire lives, and we've only ever masturbated. Were literally going to feel this weird kind of "disconnect" and "lacking" feeling, because the visual stimuli and expected physical stimuli doesn't match up

Everything feels "out of sync"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


All I can tell you guys is good luck, but yeah, were all fucking fucked due to being deprived of years of sex and intimacy and having to substitute with porn, keep that in mind while you are trying to "ascend" and/or "escortcel"

The first time, and second time, and third time, etc, etc aren't going to be the times when you finally say "this just feels right", I'm sorry, life dealt us a bad hand in more ways than you expected. You better be in this for the long haul if you ever want to get better

So to all the escortcels who were disappointed by their first time, get over it. Its actually pretty naive that you expected your first time would be great, as if your years of sexual starvation and/or masturbating to porn would not have any long term psychological effects

Things are going to get worse before they get better

This shit is not going to be easy, but when has life ever been easy for men like us
This is true. I remember to suffer of death grip at the beginning. It took me months, combinating escort booking and nofap to start to cum on the act.
I remember that I got disapointed of boobs since I used to fap with girls touching their own boobs. Boobs for are only useful if you gonna touch them or suck them while you penetrate the girl. Or if she will scrub her boobs on your dick.
 
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IncelCatechumen said:
i don´t have expectations, i just one to cuddle with the person after i have sex with her.
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