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Modern mating markets relegate a growing number of men to being incels (involuntary celibate). Increasing attention befalls another group struggling in the same markets: female insings (involuntary single). In the partly autobiographical novel, Half of Malmö Consists of Guys Who Dumped Me (2021), Amanda Romare dramatizes how urban dating and technologies like Tinder exploit women's evolved mate preferences in a manner that drives addiction and dysfunction. Many women have practically unlimited access to serial dating and short-term sex with highly attractive men, but such experiences can leave women less able to calibrate their mating strategies, thus making it harder to acquire a long-term partner. Romare argues that incels get too much attention, as our culture blinds us to the plight of lonely women. To investigate the insing phenomenon , we apply sexual strategies theory, sexual conflict theory, and other frameworks from evolutionary psychology. Mismatch, conflicting desires, and exploitative technologies make many women prioritize mate qualities that misalign with their pair-bonding ambitions. Juxtaposing Romare's novel with the TV series Sigurd Can't Get Laid (2020-2022) aids us in comparing insings to incels. Our analysis illustrates how both groups fall victim to our evolved mate preferences. Communities that develop a better understanding of these preferences could improve intersexual communication, which might help them find more productive ways to mate. Public Significance Statement Our two fictional case studies illuminate why an alarming number of youths are opting out of both short-and long-term mating. High singledom and sexual inactivity may contribute to our era's impending demographic collapse, which threatens social stability and human prospering. Analyzing fictional portrayals of dating dysfunction through the lens of evolutionary psychology could generate insights that help individuals and communities progress past our current malaise.
Many women have practically unlimited access to serial dating and short-term sex with highly attractive men, but such experiences can leave women less able to calibrate their mating strategies, thus making it harder to acquire a long-term partner.
Incels have been common throughout most of
human history (Larsen, 2023c,2023d). The
early-second-millennium Church’s imposition of
life-long monogamy restrained Homo sapiens’
bias for polygyny and hindered women from chan-
neling mating opportunities predominantly to the
highest-value men (Larsen, 2022,2023b). This
unique regime drove a sexual egalitarianism that
peaked in the post-World War II environment
with nearly universal marriage (Coontz, 2005).
Life-long monogamy was socially beneficial,
but poorly aligned with human mating nature
(Henrich, 2020). With the 18th-century transition
away from parental choice, Western mating was
set on a path that would empower individuals to
pursue mating in a manner more aligned with
their evolved preferences (Apostolou, 2017). In
the 21st century—partly as a result of mismatch
(Biegler & Kennair, 2016)—this novel mating
regime contributes to increasing singledom and
sexual inactivity (Bergløff, 2021;BRC, 2023;
Fry & Parker, 2021;Ingraham, 2019;Ueda et al.,
2020). A reduction in sex and pair bonding
seems to contribute to this century’s drastic
decrease in fertility, which some consider to be a
paramount threat to civilization (Bainbridge,
2009;Chen et al., 2019;Eberstadt, 2021;Musk,
2021;Zeihan, 2022).
ThefactthatmostWesternwomennolongerare
materially or morally dependent on being in a
long-term relationship motivates them to exclude
the least compelling men from their pool of poten-
tial pair-bonding candidates. Gender equality and
economic inequality drive women to focus their
mate attraction efforts on a shrinking proportion
of men (Brooks, Blake, et al., 2022). Sex differ-
ences in mate preferences empower women in
short-term markets, giving them practically unlim-
ited access to casual sex with higher-value men
(Buss & Schmitt, 2011). Less restrained by
monogamous mating morality—and given access
to larger, more accessible short-term markets
through technologies like Tinder—many women
can serially date the small percentage of men
whom they perceive to be the most attractive.
A growing number of female scholars and
intellectuals demand attention to how today’s
mating practices also marginalize women (e.g.,
Harrington, 2023;Illouz, 2019;Perry, 2022).
Amanda Romare offers an honest, gut-wrenching
portrayal of insing victimization in her partly
autobiographical Half of Malmö Consists of
Guys Who Dumped Me (Halva Malmö består
av killar som dumpat mig,Romare, 2021; hereaf-
ter Half of Malmö). The Swedish novel centers
on 31-year-old Amanda who expresses that she
wants to acquire a long-term partner, but ends
up having sex with a large number of attractive
men who never ask her for a second date.
I found the original study while searching for stuff to reply in another thread with, this is such a goldmine.
Many women have practically unlimited access to serial dating and short-term sex with highly attractive men, but such experiences can leave women less able to calibrate their mating strategies, thus making it harder to acquire a long-term partner.
when men’s and women’s evolved mate preferences play out in the modern West, the lowest-value men become excluded from mating. Incels have been common throughout most of human history (Larsen, 2023c, 2023d). The early-second-millennium Church’s imposition of life-long monogamy restrained Homo sapiens’ bias for polygyny and hindered women from channeling mating opportunities predominantly to the highest-value men (Larsen, 2022, 2023b). This unique regime drove a sexual egalitarianism that peaked in the post-World War II environment with nearly universal marriage (Coontz, 2005).
Gender equality and economic inequality drive women to focus their mate attraction efforts on a shrinking proportion of men (Brooks, Blake, et al., 2022). Sex differences in mate preferences empower women in short-term markets, giving them practically unlimited access to casual sex with higher-value men (Buss & Schmitt, 2011). Less restrained by monogamous mating morality—and given access to larger, more accessible short-term markets through technologies like Tinder—many women can serially date the small percentage of men whom they perceive to be the most attractive.
These men generally find promiscuous mating to be rewarding, but many of their female partners are often left sexually unsatisfied and with negative emotions and regret
This point should not be exaggerated; for instance, the stereotype of promiscuous women having low self-esteem is unfounded (Krems et al., 2021). For the small proportion of women whose genuine preference is promiscuous mating, today’s markets confer an exceptional level of privilege in terms of access to higher-value men.
promiscuity is for many a poor replacement for pair bonding (Buss & Schmitt, 2011). Many women thus experience that modern mating markets relegate them to being involuntary single (insings).
Sigurd’s four seasons chronicle its protagonist’s journey away from being a socially isolated, depressed incel. Twenty-five-year-old Sigurd loses his virginity at the end of Season 2, explores the challenges of pair bonding in Season 3, and becomes a somewhat capable courter of women in Season 4. The series ends with him being pair-bonded with a woman who bears his child.
If this "Sigurd" show were actually about an incel, he would never lose his virginity, especially not in the middle of it so he could be then portrayed negatively.
Sigurd is an exceptionally disadvantaged protagonist, a type of super underdog particularly dear to Scandinavian audiences (Larsen, 2021, 2023a).
He lacks much of what attracts women to a man, especially in short-term markets. He is not good-looking, has low self-esteem, few material resources, and a small social circle. His poor social skills, especially his shy awkwardness, are a particular burden in the modern mating regime of individual choice (Apostolou, 2017).
Damn, that's a pretty good description of someone I know very well.
*Looks into the mirror*
Had he lived centuries earlier, someone with his traits, skills, and social standing would still have had low mate value. But such men, due to a higher marriage rate, had a better chance of securing a long-term pair bond. Sigurd’s parents likely would have arranged a marriage with a woman whom they thought was a suitable match. Today, men like him suffer involuntary celibacy, at least periodically, because they avoid, or fail at, the social interactions that typically lead to copulation and pair bonding.
Sigurd at first adopts the deterministic beliefs common in incel forums, that genetics are so important that certain men have no chance of becoming sexually active or pair-bonded (Bachaud & Johns, 2023; Sparks et al., 2024).
Like single men in general, he overestimates the importance of physical attractiveness and underestimates the importance of intelligence, kindness, and humor (Costello et al., 2023; Whyte et al., 2016).
Holy cope. I was actually going to praise the researchers for there being not a single hint of the bluepill in this entire paper, but, yuck.
Audiences are encouraged to sympathize with Sigurd’s plight, but also see that his efforts have been suboptimal. He may not be an Adonis, but if he worked on his appearance and social skills, Sigurd’s genetics should not exclude him from pair bonding with women of similar mate value. He does not fall prey to incel ideology to such an extent that he gives up. Instead, Sigurd gains hope after meeting a doppelgänger whose social skills attract women.
Ngl, this would've been legendary if instead of a guy who looks exactly like him he met the 5'2 Indian janitor.
This man also used to be an incel but succeeded in transforming himself. He encourages, “Men like us can’t just wank off all life. We must have sex, right?… The old me [was also a gamer]. I am no longer that person. I have grown up. People like that don’t get laid” (1-4-16). Sigurd accepts this ally’s call to action by signing up for Tinder, the app that has come to symbolize our era’s new dating practices.
Reminder: Shit looks come first, gaming comes second as a cope. People don't become ugly and friendless because they game, they game because they are friendless and ugly.
Looks and Gaming is the title of a research paper that was published in August of 2024. It's already been reported on numerous times on the forum, but this thread I wanted to dedicate to my comments as I made the effort of reading it. If you wanted to read the research paper, it's attached to...
incels.is
Already we can see bluepilled bullshit invading that show's script to present the character's problems as self-inflicted, rather than predetermined.
Sigurd chances on Tinder are small, as is the case for most men. The series’ creators emphasize how powerless and exploitable the lowest-value men are by having Sigurd’s first match be part of a scam that ends with him being robbed. For men of average attractivity, studies suggest that they must spend an extraordinary amount of time swiping to earn dates or mating opportunities. Gerrard (2021) cited how the median man had to swipe 100 times to get one match. Grøntvedt et al. (2020) found that 57 matches were required for one meetup and that around five meetups were required for sex or a relationship to be the outcome. These studies approached Tinder data differently, so combining their findings is statistically questionable. Yet, how their data suggest that the median man must swipe through almost 30,000 female profiles to achieve short- or long-term mating, at a minimum tells us that—for most men—Tinder is an ineffective mating arena.
The series’ creators argue against deterministic incel ideology by depicting how, with much effort, men like Sigurd can become sufficiently attractive to earn copulation and pair bonding, even with today’s Western women.
Cool. Now show me a real-life example of it, rather than fictional wish-fulfillment.
After working on his looks and skills, and suffering numerous failures, Sigurd finally gets to have sex after a date at the end of Season 2. Season 3 explores how there might still be harmful consequences from how men with low short-term mate value are so strongly discriminated against about promiscuous sex.
After Sigurd has become more socially capable and confident, he gets to pair bond with Josefin. She is an attractive woman with whom he envisions a future. But because Sigurd feels that women have deprived him of sex until now, he does not consider it immoral to cheat on his first-ever girlfriend.He views himself as a victim of systemic discrimination and thus entitled to a form of affirmative action. To his friend Mats, Sigurd explains that men have always offered Josefin sex, while “only now people have become interested in having sex with me … It is so incredibly unfair that I have to stop because she is satisfied. I have to grab the opportunities I have” (3-7-15-6).
The only way to make the "incel" the villain was for him to suddenly start acting like a Chad the moment he finally got laid, and instead of treasuring the first relationship in his life, for some reason being willing to throw it away.
The series’ creators make a case for how poor intersexual communication—as a result of men and women not understanding how the sexes face different mating challenges—contributes to breakups and singledom. Josefin becomes furious when Sigurd admits to having cheated. She refuses to sympathize with his sexual marginalization, and he doesn’t care that she has suffered similar victimization as Amanda in Half of Malmö.
Josefin had not been an insing. Attractive men pair-bonded with her, but their cheating caused her to adjust the value she assigns different traits in potential partners, further upvaluing men who convincingly signal long-term commitment. She makes this point when she throws Sigurd out of her life: “The whole point of you is that you don’t do things like that! If I am to have a boyfriend who fucks others, he might as well be good-looking.” She seems to have accepted Sigurd as a boyfriend whom she considers to have lower mate value, as a compromise that he should understand excludes him from pursuing short-term opportunities.
OK, women who accept ugly men to not be cheated on instead of endlessly pursuing Chads is something else I want to see a real-life example of, instead of a fictional wish-fulfillment.
Their exchange attests to how “the fundamental conflict of interest between the sexes prohibits so-called ‘true love’ [due to] constant exploitation by both partners” (Chang et al., 2017, p. 199).
Chang casually dropping blackpills on "true love" not existing and relationships being just about mutual (if you are lucky) or one-sided exploitation.
By having Sigurd eventually do what is adaptive, the series encourages low-value men to accept their plight. He still desires to accumulate sexual experience with additional partners, but doubts whether he will be able to do so to an extent that justifies the effort. Mats encourages him to mimic the behavior of men who are so attractive that they can have a relationship and also sleep around. Sigurd concludes that his mate value could never become sufficiently high to support such a strategy; he does not “feel that he is that kind of guy” (3-7-13). The realization that he will never be attractive enough to have significant success in short-term markets makes him adopt a long-term orientation. His decision exemplifies how mating stratification also can have a positive effect on pair bonding. Low-value men can become more motivated to commit, as they lack sexual opportunity outside of relationships. In his next pair bond, Sigurd accepts that the price of long-term intimacy and family life is to forego short-term opportunities—even if such restrictions on men with low short-term mate value can feel unfair.
With this happy, prosocial ending, the series’ creators reject the validity of incel demands regarding compensation for systemic discrimination. Our evolved psychologies make it so that, in the modern West, women have far easier access to casual sex, an advantage they use to channel a disproportionate amount of sexual opportunity to the most attractive men. Sigurd may view himself as a victim who is entitled to affirmative action, but the series creators are unwilling to entertain what it would require to achieve a more sexually egalitarian social order in the 21st century. Their ending tells marginalized men to work hard to increase their mate value so that they have a better chance of earning a monogamous relationship in the future.
Ahhh, here it is. So basically, the series' core message, delivered through a very unrealistic scenario, is that we must simply accept inequality and keep trying harder to score in a rigged game.
I wonder whether this applies to employment and work? We know for a fact that lookism is present in professional sphere as well, in fact that's what most lookism studies focus on. Should ugly people just accept lower incomes and less opportunities?
According to these predictions, White males who are perceived to be among the least physically attractive have annual earnings that are 0.88 times the size of White males who are perceived to be among the most physically attractive. Put somewhat differently, White males with very low levels of perceived attractiveness are estimated to earn 88 cents to every dollar likely to be paid to White males who are perceived to possess very high levels of attractiveness. This is similar in magnitude to the canonical Black White race gap, wherein using the same set of controls we find that a Black person earns 87 cents to every dollar a white person makes
https://conversableeconomist.com/2021/06/22/the-reality-of-attractiveness-bias/ Interesting:feelsstudy:. So, if I'm reading this graph right: The ugliest black women earn much less than the ugliest white & Hispanic women, but Naomis outearn Stacies. White and Hispanic women earn pretty much the...
And speaking of that, since the effects are similar, should minorities also just suck it up when it comes to lower incomes and opportunnities and just work harder, both in the professional sphere and the dating one? I'm pretty sure that the researchers behind this are not hypocritical at all and will be ready to openly say so, just to make it clear that this is their position on people whose inherent characteristics are holding them back in society.
OK, now that I got that "gotcha" out of my system, the show's scenario is so unrealistic (if it's supposed to be about an incel) that it's hilarious. Sigurd loses his virginity in the middle of the show, he's a virgin in the first place due to not really trying, hooks up with a hot girl who's tired of being pumped and dumped by Chads, for some reason after finally getting a relationship starts acting like a 40 IQ autist and destroys it just to give the audience a reason to dislike him and to be able to blame him for something, and in the end he happily accepts not being a Chad, when he already knows he can get laid with just some effort.
IRL, Sigurd would've tried everything and it simply wouldn't have worked. Josephin would never have gotten tired of casual sex with Chads, and if she did, she'd settle down with a higher SMV guy than Sigurd. Also, Sigurd would've likely been non-NT and maybe ethnic. Most of the show would've been meaningless since Sigurd would never have a relationship in the first place, and in the end, the show wouldn't want him to accept his place as an expectant father who can get laid if he tries and just isn't a Chad, which is a position 95% of us would kill to be in, but instead, he would be required to accept never finding love, never building a family, and never having non-paid sex, in a world where men with just a few milimetres of bone placed differently, are able to enjoy ten times more than that, casually.
I found the original study while searching for stuff to reply in another thread with, this is such a goldmine.
Right from the get-go, this is so hilarious.
Not holding anything back lmao.
Oh no.
Kek, immediately backpedalling and keeping the coming, nice.
Cope.
If this "Sigurd" show were actually about an incel, he would never lose his virginity, especially not in the middle of it so he could be then portrayed negatively.
But only audiences.
Damn, that's a pretty good description of someone I know very well.
*Looks into the mirror*
Yes.
Holy cope. I was actually going to praise the researchers for there being not a single hint of the bluepill in this entire paper, but, yuck.
"Just work harder bro!"
Ngl, this would've been legendary if instead of a guy who looks exactly like him he met the 5'2 Indian janitor.
Reminder: Shit looks come first, gaming comes second as a cope. People don't become ugly and friendless because they game, they game because they are friendless and ugly.
Looks and Gaming is the title of a research paper that was published in August of 2024. It's already been reported on numerous times on the forum, but this thread I wanted to dedicate to my comments as I made the effort of reading it. If you wanted to read the research paper, it's attached to...
incels.is
Already we can see bluepilled bullshit invading that show's script to present the character's problems as self-inflicted, rather than predetermined.
Brutal.
Cool. Now show me a real-life example of it, rather than fictional wish-fulfillment.
The only way to make the "incel" the villain was for him to suddenly start acting like a Chad the moment he finally got laid, and instead of treasuring the first relationship in his life, for some reason being willing to throw it away.
"victimization"
OK, women who accept ugly men to not be cheated on instead of endlessly pursuing Chads is something else I want to see a real-life example of, instead of a fictional wish-fulfillment.
Chang casually dropping blackpills on "true love" not existing and relationships being just about mutual (if you are lucky) or one-sided exploitation.
Ahhh, here it is. So basically, the series' core message, delivered through a very unrealistic scenario, is that we must simply accept inequality and keep trying harder to score in a rigged game.
I wonder whether this applies to employment and work? We know for a fact that lookism is present in professional sphere as well, in fact that's what most lookism studies focus on. Should ugly people just accept lower incomes and less opportunities?
https://conversableeconomist.com/2021/06/22/the-reality-of-attractiveness-bias/ Interesting:feelsstudy:. So, if I'm reading this graph right: The ugliest black women earn much less than the ugliest white & Hispanic women, but Naomis outearn Stacies. White and Hispanic women earn pretty much the...
And speaking of that, since the effects are similar, should minorities also just suck it up when it comes to lower incomes and opportunnities and just work harder, both in the professional sphere and the dating one? I'm pretty sure that the researchers behind this are not hypocritical at all and will be ready to openly say so, just to make it clear that this is their position on people whose inherent characteristics are holding them back in society.
OK, now that I got that "gotcha" out of my system, the show's scenario is so unrealistic (if it's supposed to be about an incel) that it's hilarious. Sigurd loses his virginity in the middle of the show, he's a virgin in the first place due to not really trying, hooks up with a hot girl who's tired of being pumped and dumped by Chads, for some reason after finally getting a relationship starts acting like a 40 IQ autist and destroys it just to give the audience a reason to dislike him and to be able to blame him for something, and in the end he happily accepts not being a Chad, when he already knows he can get laid with just some effort.
IRL, Sigurd would've tried everything and it simply wouldn't have worked. Josephin would never have gotten tired of casual sex with Chads, and if she did, she'd settle down with a higher SMV guy than Sigurd. Also, Sigurd would've likely been non-NT and maybe ethnic. Most of the show would've been meaningless since Sigurd would never have a relationship in the first place, and in the end, the show wouldn't want him to accept his place as an expectant father who can get laid if he tries and just isn't a Chad, which is a position 95% of us would kill to be in, but instead, he would be required to accept never finding love, never building a family, and never having non-paid sex, in a world where men with just a few milimetres of bone placed differently, are able to enjoy ten times more than that, casually.
Honestly, I'd put this in Must-Read. It's such a pure concentration of blackpills, it unironically mogs 90% of posts even on this forum.
I found the original study while searching for stuff to reply in another thread with, this is such a goldmine.
Right from the get-go, this is so hilarious.
Not holding anything back lmao.
Oh no.
Kek, immediately backpedalling and keeping the coming, nice.
Cope.
If this "Sigurd" show were actually about an incel, he would never lose his virginity, especially not in the middle of it so he could be then portrayed negatively.
But only audiences.
Damn, that's a pretty good description of someone I know very well.
*Looks into the mirror*
Yes.
Holy cope. I was actually going to praise the researchers for there being not a single hint of the bluepill in this entire paper, but, yuck.
"Just work harder bro!"
Ngl, this would've been legendary if instead of a guy who looks exactly like him he met the 5'2 Indian janitor.
Reminder: Shit looks come first, gaming comes second as a cope. People don't become ugly and friendless because they game, they game because they are friendless and ugly.
Looks and Gaming is the title of a research paper that was published in August of 2024. It's already been reported on numerous times on the forum, but this thread I wanted to dedicate to my comments as I made the effort of reading it. If you wanted to read the research paper, it's attached to...
incels.is
Already we can see bluepilled bullshit invading that show's script to present the character's problems as self-inflicted, rather than predetermined.
Brutal.
Cool. Now show me a real-life example of it, rather than fictional wish-fulfillment.
The only way to make the "incel" the villain was for him to suddenly start acting like a Chad the moment he finally got laid, and instead of treasuring the first relationship in his life, for some reason being willing to throw it away.
"victimization"
OK, women who accept ugly men to not be cheated on instead of endlessly pursuing Chads is something else I want to see a real-life example of, instead of a fictional wish-fulfillment.
Chang casually dropping blackpills on "true love" not existing and relationships being just about mutual (if you are lucky) or one-sided exploitation.
Ahhh, here it is. So basically, the series' core message, delivered through a very unrealistic scenario, is that we must simply accept inequality and keep trying harder to score in a rigged game.
I wonder whether this applies to employment and work? We know for a fact that lookism is present in professional sphere as well, in fact that's what most lookism studies focus on. Should ugly people just accept lower incomes and less opportunities?
https://conversableeconomist.com/2021/06/22/the-reality-of-attractiveness-bias/ Interesting:feelsstudy:. So, if I'm reading this graph right: The ugliest black women earn much less than the ugliest white & Hispanic women, but Naomis outearn Stacies. White and Hispanic women earn pretty much the...
And speaking of that, since the effects are similar, should minorities also just suck it up when it comes to lower incomes and opportunnities and just work harder, both in the professional sphere and the dating one? I'm pretty sure that the researchers behind this are not hypocritical at all and will be ready to openly say so, just to make it clear that this is their position on people whose inherent characteristics are holding them back in society.
OK, now that I got that "gotcha" out of my system, the show's scenario is so unrealistic (if it's supposed to be about an incel) that it's hilarious. Sigurd loses his virginity in the middle of the show, he's a virgin in the first place due to not really trying, hooks up with a hot girl who's tired of being pumped and dumped by Chads, for some reason after finally getting a relationship starts acting like a 40 IQ autist and destroys it just to give the audience a reason to dislike him and to be able to blame him for something, and in the end he happily accepts not being a Chad, when he already knows he can get laid with just some effort.
IRL, Sigurd would've tried everything and it simply wouldn't have worked. Josephin would never have gotten tired of casual sex with Chads, and if she did, she'd settle down with a higher SMV guy than Sigurd. Also, Sigurd would've likely been non-NT and maybe ethnic. Most of the show would've been meaningless since Sigurd would never have a relationship in the first place, and in the end, the show wouldn't want him to accept his place as an expectant father who can get laid if he tries and just isn't a Chad, which is a position 95% of us would kill to be in, but instead, he would be required to accept never finding love, never building a family, and never having non-paid sex, in a world where men with just a few milimetres of bone placed differently, are able to enjoy ten times more than that, casually.
Honestly, I'd put this in Must-Read. It's such a pure concentration of blackpills, it unironically mogs 90% of posts even on this forum.
Anywhere I see the term "incel ideology" I already know that they're pushing an agenda and immediately disregard the entire thing as a waste of time.
At least, I'm glad you're doing the legwork of wading through this sea of bullshit and calling out the nonense, brocel, because I couldn't be arsed to bother with this tripe, tbhngl.
I found the original study while searching for stuff to reply in another thread with, this is such a goldmine.
Right from the get-go, this is so hilarious.
Not holding anything back lmao.
Oh no.
Kek, immediately backpedalling and keeping the coming, nice.
Cope.
If this "Sigurd" show were actually about an incel, he would never lose his virginity, especially not in the middle of it so he could be then portrayed negatively.
But only audiences.
Damn, that's a pretty good description of someone I know very well.
*Looks into the mirror*
Yes.
Holy cope. I was actually going to praise the researchers for there being not a single hint of the bluepill in this entire paper, but, yuck.
"Just work harder bro!"
Ngl, this would've been legendary if instead of a guy who looks exactly like him he met the 5'2 Indian janitor.
Reminder: Shit looks come first, gaming comes second as a cope. People don't become ugly and friendless because they game, they game because they are friendless and ugly.
Looks and Gaming is the title of a research paper that was published in August of 2024. It's already been reported on numerous times on the forum, but this thread I wanted to dedicate to my comments as I made the effort of reading it. If you wanted to read the research paper, it's attached to...
incels.is
Already we can see bluepilled bullshit invading that show's script to present the character's problems as self-inflicted, rather than predetermined.
Brutal.
Cool. Now show me a real-life example of it, rather than fictional wish-fulfillment.
The only way to make the "incel" the villain was for him to suddenly start acting like a Chad the moment he finally got laid, and instead of treasuring the first relationship in his life, for some reason being willing to throw it away.
"victimization"
OK, women who accept ugly men to not be cheated on instead of endlessly pursuing Chads is something else I want to see a real-life example of, instead of a fictional wish-fulfillment.
Chang casually dropping blackpills on "true love" not existing and relationships being just about mutual (if you are lucky) or one-sided exploitation.
Ahhh, here it is. So basically, the series' core message, delivered through a very unrealistic scenario, is that we must simply accept inequality and keep trying harder to score in a rigged game.
I wonder whether this applies to employment and work? We know for a fact that lookism is present in professional sphere as well, in fact that's what most lookism studies focus on. Should ugly people just accept lower incomes and less opportunities?
https://conversableeconomist.com/2021/06/22/the-reality-of-attractiveness-bias/ Interesting:feelsstudy:. So, if I'm reading this graph right: The ugliest black women earn much less than the ugliest white & Hispanic women, but Naomis outearn Stacies. White and Hispanic women earn pretty much the...
And speaking of that, since the effects are similar, should minorities also just suck it up when it comes to lower incomes and opportunnities and just work harder, both in the professional sphere and the dating one? I'm pretty sure that the researchers behind this are not hypocritical at all and will be ready to openly say so, just to make it clear that this is their position on people whose inherent characteristics are holding them back in society.
OK, now that I got that "gotcha" out of my system, the show's scenario is so unrealistic (if it's supposed to be about an incel) that it's hilarious. Sigurd loses his virginity in the middle of the show, he's a virgin in the first place due to not really trying, hooks up with a hot girl who's tired of being pumped and dumped by Chads, for some reason after finally getting a relationship starts acting like a 40 IQ autist and destroys it just to give the audience a reason to dislike him and to be able to blame him for something, and in the end he happily accepts not being a Chad, when he already knows he can get laid with just some effort.
IRL, Sigurd would've tried everything and it simply wouldn't have worked. Josephin would never have gotten tired of casual sex with Chads, and if she did, she'd settle down with a higher SMV guy than Sigurd. Also, Sigurd would've likely been non-NT and maybe ethnic. Most of the show would've been meaningless since Sigurd would never have a relationship in the first place, and in the end, the show wouldn't want him to accept his place as an expectant father who can get laid if he tries and just isn't a Chad, which is a position 95% of us would kill to be in, but instead, he would be required to accept never finding love, never building a family, and never having non-paid sex, in a world where men with just a few milimetres of bone placed differently, are able to enjoy ten times more than that, casually.
Honestly, I'd put this in Must-Read. It's such a pure concentration of blackpills, it unironically mogs 90% of posts even on this forum.
Why is it acceptable to tell unattractive men to “grind” but not other groups? Double standards, much? Society loses its mind if you tell any other group to “just bootstrap” their way past systemic barriers. But when it comes to unattractive guys, it’s all, “Hit the gym, work on your vibe, bro!” As if looks aren’t a hardwired bias baked into every social interaction, from jobs to dating.
I found the original study while searching for stuff to reply in another thread with, this is such a goldmine.
Right from the get-go, this is so hilarious.
Not holding anything back lmao.
Oh no.
Kek, immediately backpedalling and keeping the coming, nice.
Cope.
If this "Sigurd" show were actually about an incel, he would never lose his virginity, especially not in the middle of it so he could be then portrayed negatively.
But only audiences.
Damn, that's a pretty good description of someone I know very well.
*Looks into the mirror*
Yes.
Holy cope. I was actually going to praise the researchers for there being not a single hint of the bluepill in this entire paper, but, yuck.
"Just work harder bro!"
Ngl, this would've been legendary if instead of a guy who looks exactly like him he met the 5'2 Indian janitor.
Reminder: Shit looks come first, gaming comes second as a cope. People don't become ugly and friendless because they game, they game because they are friendless and ugly.
Looks and Gaming is the title of a research paper that was published in August of 2024. It's already been reported on numerous times on the forum, but this thread I wanted to dedicate to my comments as I made the effort of reading it. If you wanted to read the research paper, it's attached to...
incels.is
Already we can see bluepilled bullshit invading that show's script to present the character's problems as self-inflicted, rather than predetermined.
Brutal.
Cool. Now show me a real-life example of it, rather than fictional wish-fulfillment.
The only way to make the "incel" the villain was for him to suddenly start acting like a Chad the moment he finally got laid, and instead of treasuring the first relationship in his life, for some reason being willing to throw it away.
"victimization"
OK, women who accept ugly men to not be cheated on instead of endlessly pursuing Chads is something else I want to see a real-life example of, instead of a fictional wish-fulfillment.
Chang casually dropping blackpills on "true love" not existing and relationships being just about mutual (if you are lucky) or one-sided exploitation.
Ahhh, here it is. So basically, the series' core message, delivered through a very unrealistic scenario, is that we must simply accept inequality and keep trying harder to score in a rigged game.
I wonder whether this applies to employment and work? We know for a fact that lookism is present in professional sphere as well, in fact that's what most lookism studies focus on. Should ugly people just accept lower incomes and less opportunities?
https://conversableeconomist.com/2021/06/22/the-reality-of-attractiveness-bias/ Interesting:feelsstudy:. So, if I'm reading this graph right: The ugliest black women earn much less than the ugliest white & Hispanic women, but Naomis outearn Stacies. White and Hispanic women earn pretty much the...
And speaking of that, since the effects are similar, should minorities also just suck it up when it comes to lower incomes and opportunnities and just work harder, both in the professional sphere and the dating one? I'm pretty sure that the researchers behind this are not hypocritical at all and will be ready to openly say so, just to make it clear that this is their position on people whose inherent characteristics are holding them back in society.
OK, now that I got that "gotcha" out of my system, the show's scenario is so unrealistic (if it's supposed to be about an incel) that it's hilarious. Sigurd loses his virginity in the middle of the show, he's a virgin in the first place due to not really trying, hooks up with a hot girl who's tired of being pumped and dumped by Chads, for some reason after finally getting a relationship starts acting like a 40 IQ autist and destroys it just to give the audience a reason to dislike him and to be able to blame him for something, and in the end he happily accepts not being a Chad, when he already knows he can get laid with just some effort.
IRL, Sigurd would've tried everything and it simply wouldn't have worked. Josephin would never have gotten tired of casual sex with Chads, and if she did, she'd settle down with a higher SMV guy than Sigurd. Also, Sigurd would've likely been non-NT and maybe ethnic. Most of the show would've been meaningless since Sigurd would never have a relationship in the first place, and in the end, the show wouldn't want him to accept his place as an expectant father who can get laid if he tries and just isn't a Chad, which is a position 95% of us would kill to be in, but instead, he would be required to accept never finding love, never building a family, and never having non-paid sex, in a world where men with just a few milimetres of bone placed differently, are able to enjoy ten times more than that, casually.
Honestly, I'd put this in Must-Read. It's such a pure concentration of blackpills, it unironically mogs 90% of posts even on this forum.
I was hopeful at the beginning but then they started with all the incel entitlement crap and the "underestimates the power of humour and intelligence" retardation (where the fuck did they ever see foids wanting to mate with humorous or smart guys? "Oh I can't stop thinking about this guy he makes such good observations and recognizes patterns and his jokes are cool", where the fuck does this ever happen? Do they even believe this themselves or is it just to gaslight us? Did they derive this idea of humour from female STATED preferences? The ones they wish they had instead of tall badboys who pump and dump them, but they can't help it?)
And they still had to portray him as an asshole who just didn't try hard enough, of course. Males just can't be victims, it's always self-inflicted, no exceptions!
At least, I'm glad you're doing the legwork of wading through this sea of bullshit and calling out the nonense, brocel, because I couldn't be arsed to bother with this tripe, tbhngl.
Why is it acceptable to tell unattractive men to “grind” but not other groups? Double standards, much? Society loses its mind if you tell any other group to “just bootstrap” their way past systemic barriers. But when it comes to unattractive guys, it’s all, “Hit the gym, work on your vibe, bro!” As if looks aren’t a hardwired bias baked into every social interaction, from jobs to dating.
It does get painfully frustrating at times, and I'm not sure what the real cause of why people are so triggered by this particular issue and so unwilling to accept that lookism exists (I'm pretty sure I've seen more white supremacists admitting that white privilege does) but then I remember that it could just be a generational thing, 80%+ of men alive today have lived decades never being told that their looks matter (obviously nobody ever has or ever will say that looks don't matter for women), so they probably just aggressively reject it due to it upending their entire worldview and sense of self, plus a good number of women probably get off on lying to ugly men and gaslighting and bullying them.
I was hopeful at the beginning but then they started with all the incel entitlement crap and the "underestimates the power of humour and intelligence" retardation (where the fuck did they ever see foids wanting to mate with humorous or smart guys? "Oh I can't stop thinking about this guy he makes such good observations and recognizes patterns and his jokes are cool", where the fuck does this ever happen?
Do they even believe this themselves or is it just to gaslight us? Did they derive this idea of humour from female STATED preferences? The ones they wish they had instead of tall badboys who pump and dump them, but they can't help it?)
And they still had to portray him as an asshole who just didn't try hard enough, of course. Males just can't be victims, it's always self-inflicted, no exceptions!
Because if it weren't self-inflicted, there would be no "empathy" for him at all. Men, even boys, already receive zero empathy by default, and we all know it:
However, if a guy is "strong" and "in charge of his own life" he might receive pretend empathy, because that means he can be useful to females, either as a sex partner or as a source of resources.
I found the original study while searching for stuff to reply in another thread with, this is such a goldmine.
Right from the get-go, this is so hilarious.
Not holding anything back lmao.
Oh no.
Kek, immediately backpedalling and keeping the coming, nice.
Cope.
If this "Sigurd" show were actually about an incel, he would never lose his virginity, especially not in the middle of it so he could be then portrayed negatively.
But only audiences.
Damn, that's a pretty good description of someone I know very well.
*Looks into the mirror*
Yes.
Holy cope. I was actually going to praise the researchers for there being not a single hint of the bluepill in this entire paper, but, yuck.
"Just work harder bro!"
Ngl, this would've been legendary if instead of a guy who looks exactly like him he met the 5'2 Indian janitor.
Reminder: Shit looks come first, gaming comes second as a cope. People don't become ugly and friendless because they game, they game because they are friendless and ugly.
Looks and Gaming is the title of a research paper that was published in August of 2024. It's already been reported on numerous times on the forum, but this thread I wanted to dedicate to my comments as I made the effort of reading it. If you wanted to read the research paper, it's attached to...
incels.is
Already we can see bluepilled bullshit invading that show's script to present the character's problems as self-inflicted, rather than predetermined.
Brutal.
Cool. Now show me a real-life example of it, rather than fictional wish-fulfillment.
The only way to make the "incel" the villain was for him to suddenly start acting like a Chad the moment he finally got laid, and instead of treasuring the first relationship in his life, for some reason being willing to throw it away.
"victimization"
OK, women who accept ugly men to not be cheated on instead of endlessly pursuing Chads is something else I want to see a real-life example of, instead of a fictional wish-fulfillment.
Chang casually dropping blackpills on "true love" not existing and relationships being just about mutual (if you are lucky) or one-sided exploitation.
Ahhh, here it is. So basically, the series' core message, delivered through a very unrealistic scenario, is that we must simply accept inequality and keep trying harder to score in a rigged game.
I wonder whether this applies to employment and work? We know for a fact that lookism is present in professional sphere as well, in fact that's what most lookism studies focus on. Should ugly people just accept lower incomes and less opportunities?
https://conversableeconomist.com/2021/06/22/the-reality-of-attractiveness-bias/ Interesting:feelsstudy:. So, if I'm reading this graph right: The ugliest black women earn much less than the ugliest white & Hispanic women, but Naomis outearn Stacies. White and Hispanic women earn pretty much the...
And speaking of that, since the effects are similar, should minorities also just suck it up when it comes to lower incomes and opportunnities and just work harder, both in the professional sphere and the dating one? I'm pretty sure that the researchers behind this are not hypocritical at all and will be ready to openly say so, just to make it clear that this is their position on people whose inherent characteristics are holding them back in society.
OK, now that I got that "gotcha" out of my system, the show's scenario is so unrealistic (if it's supposed to be about an incel) that it's hilarious. Sigurd loses his virginity in the middle of the show, he's a virgin in the first place due to not really trying, hooks up with a hot girl who's tired of being pumped and dumped by Chads, for some reason after finally getting a relationship starts acting like a 40 IQ autist and destroys it just to give the audience a reason to dislike him and to be able to blame him for something, and in the end he happily accepts not being a Chad, when he already knows he can get laid with just some effort.
IRL, Sigurd would've tried everything and it simply wouldn't have worked. Josephin would never have gotten tired of casual sex with Chads, and if she did, she'd settle down with a higher SMV guy than Sigurd. Also, Sigurd would've likely been non-NT and maybe ethnic. Most of the show would've been meaningless since Sigurd would never have a relationship in the first place, and in the end, the show wouldn't want him to accept his place as an expectant father who can get laid if he tries and just isn't a Chad, which is a position 95% of us would kill to be in, but instead, he would be required to accept never finding love, never building a family, and never having non-paid sex, in a world where men with just a few milimetres of bone placed differently, are able to enjoy ten times more than that, casually.
Honestly, I'd put this in Must-Read. It's such a pure concentration of blackpills, it unironically mogs 90% of posts even on this forum.
I found the original study while searching for stuff to reply in another thread with, this is such a goldmine.
Right from the get-go, this is so hilarious.
Not holding anything back lmao.
Oh no.
Kek, immediately backpedalling and keeping the coming, nice.
Cope.
If this "Sigurd" show were actually about an incel, he would never lose his virginity, especially not in the middle of it so he could be then portrayed negatively.
But only audiences.
Damn, that's a pretty good description of someone I know very well.
*Looks into the mirror*
Yes.
Holy cope. I was actually going to praise the researchers for there being not a single hint of the bluepill in this entire paper, but, yuck.
"Just work harder bro!"
Ngl, this would've been legendary if instead of a guy who looks exactly like him he met the 5'2 Indian janitor.
Reminder: Shit looks come first, gaming comes second as a cope. People don't become ugly and friendless because they game, they game because they are friendless and ugly.
Looks and Gaming is the title of a research paper that was published in August of 2024. It's already been reported on numerous times on the forum, but this thread I wanted to dedicate to my comments as I made the effort of reading it. If you wanted to read the research paper, it's attached to...
incels.is
Already we can see bluepilled bullshit invading that show's script to present the character's problems as self-inflicted, rather than predetermined.
Brutal.
Cool. Now show me a real-life example of it, rather than fictional wish-fulfillment.
The only way to make the "incel" the villain was for him to suddenly start acting like a Chad the moment he finally got laid, and instead of treasuring the first relationship in his life, for some reason being willing to throw it away.
"victimization"
OK, women who accept ugly men to not be cheated on instead of endlessly pursuing Chads is something else I want to see a real-life example of, instead of a fictional wish-fulfillment.
Chang casually dropping blackpills on "true love" not existing and relationships being just about mutual (if you are lucky) or one-sided exploitation.
Ahhh, here it is. So basically, the series' core message, delivered through a very unrealistic scenario, is that we must simply accept inequality and keep trying harder to score in a rigged game.
I wonder whether this applies to employment and work? We know for a fact that lookism is present in professional sphere as well, in fact that's what most lookism studies focus on. Should ugly people just accept lower incomes and less opportunities?
https://conversableeconomist.com/2021/06/22/the-reality-of-attractiveness-bias/ Interesting:feelsstudy:. So, if I'm reading this graph right: The ugliest black women earn much less than the ugliest white & Hispanic women, but Naomis outearn Stacies. White and Hispanic women earn pretty much the...
And speaking of that, since the effects are similar, should minorities also just suck it up when it comes to lower incomes and opportunnities and just work harder, both in the professional sphere and the dating one? I'm pretty sure that the researchers behind this are not hypocritical at all and will be ready to openly say so, just to make it clear that this is their position on people whose inherent characteristics are holding them back in society.
OK, now that I got that "gotcha" out of my system, the show's scenario is so unrealistic (if it's supposed to be about an incel) that it's hilarious. Sigurd loses his virginity in the middle of the show, he's a virgin in the first place due to not really trying, hooks up with a hot girl who's tired of being pumped and dumped by Chads, for some reason after finally getting a relationship starts acting like a 40 IQ autist and destroys it just to give the audience a reason to dislike him and to be able to blame him for something, and in the end he happily accepts not being a Chad, when he already knows he can get laid with just some effort.
IRL, Sigurd would've tried everything and it simply wouldn't have worked. Josephin would never have gotten tired of casual sex with Chads, and if she did, she'd settle down with a higher SMV guy than Sigurd. Also, Sigurd would've likely been non-NT and maybe ethnic. Most of the show would've been meaningless since Sigurd would never have a relationship in the first place, and in the end, the show wouldn't want him to accept his place as an expectant father who can get laid if he tries and just isn't a Chad, which is a position 95% of us would kill to be in, but instead, he would be required to accept never finding love, never building a family, and never having non-paid sex, in a world where men with just a few milimetres of bone placed differently, are able to enjoy ten times more than that, casually.
Honestly, I'd put this in Must-Read. It's such a pure concentration of blackpills, it unironically mogs 90% of posts even on this forum.
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