Serious Do you believe in god?

[DrunkDegenerate]

Let's have a discussion. I generally think that there probably is some source, something our brains cannot fathom yet, which laid the foundations of the universe and created conditions fit for life to evolve. I don't believe the whole "Watch without a watchmaker" theory.
However, I don't believe that any of the existing religions describe this complex being/thing/object in a good way. Way to simple to my taste. Then again I might be wrong.
What are your thoughts?

 

[AntiPain]

No, and if I did I'd think he's a human-like control craving psycho.

 

[StormlitAqua]

Yes, short summary of my beliefs. (The Nicene Creed).

 

[Manbearpig]

If there ever was a watch maker than it committed suicide long ago when it realized the cancer it had created in humanity. Cheers!

 

[Ritalincel]

 

[Deleted member 5861]

Yes, but not very strongly. Pascals wager nudges me on there. Really hope roping won't send me to hell.

 

[Akkadian]

Alhamdullah yes, guys think like this. Go outside and look at any building, the building must have a creator, the building cannot just appear out of nowhere. So how would you expect the infinite expanding universe to be made without a creator?

 

[acnescarcel]

there is no god the whole universe was an accident and we evolved over time.

 

[metal]

no

 

[_wifebeater_]

JFL for being incel and believing in god at the same time. Religion is Gigacope.

 

[NEETAndTidy]

No I do not believe in any god, not do I think any god like concious being exists in any way. But I do believe the universe is more complex and fascinating than any human could ever imagine

 

[IsolationHurts]

No.

 

[Gremlincel]

 

[tulasdanslos]

No, and if there's one he's a selfish and psychopathic faggot.

 

[Fontaine]

No. But I do fear God nonetheless.

 

[Ritalincel]

mogs me

 

[Gremlincel]

mogs me

>implying it is possible to not be mogged by god farquaad

 

[Mainländer]

Not sure tbh.

 

[Givingup20]

Alhamdullah yes, guys think like this. Go outside and look at any building, the building must have a creator, the building cannot just appear out of nowhere. So how would you expect the infinite expanding universe to be made without a creator?

Where did Allah come from then?
For your analogy to work Allah must have started from something saying "He's always been there" is stupid

 

[Asianmanletcel]

I don't believe in gods represented in religions, so you could say I could believe in a god that is not represented in religions, if I am to describe that god then that god doesn't interfere in any kind to his creations kind of like a higher dimension being just watching a TV

 

[Deleted member 8353]

I don't know, nor do I claim to know.

 

[DyingInside]

 

[Akkadian]

Where did Allah come from then?
For your analogy to work Allah must have started from something saying "He's always been there" is stupid

Good point boyo, my answer to that question is that you have every right to think like this however, everything that has a beginning has a cause, universe has a beginning, which means it has a cause, a building has a beginning which means there's a cause. But when we are talking about God, this anology cannot be applied since God has No beginning therefore he requires no cause.

" In addition, Einstein’s general relativity, which has much experimental support, shows that time is linked to matter and space. So time itself would have begun along with matter and space. Since God, by definition, is the creator of the whole universe, he is the creator of time. Therefore He is not limited by the time dimension He created, so has no beginning in time. "

 

[caffeine455]

I don't believe in religions. there might be a creator. I wish I could though. everything was so simple before I lost my faith. everything had a purpose and all the pain in the world wasn't vain. now it's just chaos, which it is.

 

[Semicel]

Yes, I believe in God.

Couple of points (I've never gotten an answer from an atheist, or anybody really):

1. How was the universe created?
Big bang.
Okay, was there something before the big bang?

Yes.
How was that created?

No.
Then how could "nothing" blow up and create something?

2. How did life start? As far as I know, life can only be created from other life. So what's the origin of life?


Also, the whole evolution meme seems really fishy if you think about it. If evolution is 100% like we're told to believe:
1. Wouldn't we have at least a few useless body parts? Since evolution is totally random and everything that doesn't negatively impact the life-form sticks, and passes on to next generations.
2. What's the chance we came from a single-celled organism to what we're now with completely random mutations?
3. If we really evolved like they're telling us, there should be at least one species that's, in terms of general development, in between us and animals. Why isn't there?

 

[Givingup20]

Yes, I believe in God.

Couple of points (I've never gotten an answer from an atheist, or anybody really):

1. How was the universe created?
Big bang.
Okay, was there something before the big bang?

Yes.
How was that created?

No.
Then how could "nothing" blow up and create something?

2. How did life start? As far as I know, life can only be created from other life. So what's the origin of life?


Also, the whole evolution meme seems really fishy if you think about it. If evolution is 100% like we're told to believe:
1. Wouldn't we have at least a few useless body parts? Since evolution is totally random and everything that doesn't negatively impact the life-form sticks, and passes on to next generations.
2. What's the chance we came from a single-celled organism to what we're now with completely random mutations?
3. If we really evolved like they're telling us, there should be at least one species that's, in terms of general development, in between us and animals. Why isn't there?

Evolution isn't a meme it's fact, to deny it is brainless
1.We do have useless body parts appendix, Nipples on men for example
2.The chance is incredibly low but still happened this has taken millions upon millions of years to happen
3.There doesn't have to be a species alive today that is between us and them they have died out Neanderthals, Homo erectus, we are most similar to Bonobos if you are referring to ones still alive
You thinking it just "blew up and created something" is stupid i can just as easily say where did god just blow up from

 

[Attilao99]

I used to be religious, but realised if God was real he would be the most egoistic, sadistic, disgusting bastard in the universe. The teachings of the church are full of contradictions. If there's some kind of power above all else which created humans and other creatures it is surely not the christian God...

 

[Givingup20]

Good point boyo, my answer to that question is that you have every right to think like this however, everything that has a beginning has a cause, universe has a beginning, which means it has a cause, a building has a beginning which means there's a cause. But when we are talking about God, this anology cannot be applied since God has No beginning therefore he requires no cause.

" In addition, Einstein’s general relativity, which has much experimental support, shows that time is linked to matter and space. So time itself would have begun along with matter and space. Since God, by definition, is the creator of the whole universe, he is the creator of time. Therefore He is not limited by the time dimension He created, so has no beginning in time. "

Your point would make sense if the Bible and Quran weren't littered with scientific innacuracies these books were written when people still believed the earth was flat they serve us no purpose in trying to explain where we came from Science is the only thing which is trying to get us the answers, religion is just a wild guess that some people in the desert thought up to control people and try and give their boring lives some kind of purpose

 

[Trickster God]

lol no

 

[Semicel]

1.We do have useless body parts appendix for example
2.The chance is incredibly low but still happened this has taken millions upon millions of years to happen
3.There doesn't have to be a species alive today that is between us and them they have died out Neanderthals Homo erectus we are most similar to Bonobos if you are referring to ones still alive
You think it just "blew up and created something" is stupid i can just as easily say where did god just blow up from

1. Appendix isn't useless. It contains some sort of bacteria you might need. I don't remember exactly, look it up if you're interested.
2. Yes, that's true. Extremely low chance, but a chance nonetheless.
3. There should be. Why is the line between humans and animals so thick? There should be a species in "every" step of the spectrum, so you'd have:
singe-cells, blablabla, ants, bla rats etc, cats ................. humans
Now, every creature is either an animal or a human. There's no middle ground. That's suspicious.

You think it just "blew up and created something" is stupid

No it's not. Then explain it to me and answer my first 2 questions (the most important ones).

This is what happens every time, I'd ask those 2 questions and write something after that and everybody addresses just that part after, while completely ignoring my questions. Funny.

i can just as easily say where did god just blow up from

Okay now this will probably make you angry but listen to this: God doesn't have to follow the logic as we know it. He's a God after all. That's true by definition.

 

[Givingup20]

1. Appendix isn't useless. It contains some sort of bacteria you might need. I don't remember exactly, look it up if you're interested.
2. Yes, that's true. Extremely low chance, but a chance nonetheless.
3. There should be. Why is the line between humans and animals so thick? There should be a species in "every" step of the spectrum, so you'd have:
singe-cells, blablabla, ants, bla rats etc, cats ................. humans
Now, every creature is either an animal or a human. There's no middle ground. That's suspicious.


No it's not. Then explain it to me and answer my first 2 questions (the most important ones).

This is what happens every time, I'd ask those 2 questions and write something after that and everybody addresses just that part after, while completely ignoring my questions. Funny.


Okay now this will probably make you angry but listen to this: God doesn't have to follow the logic as we know it. He's a God after all. That's true by definition.

I'll be the first to accept We do not have all the answers that doesn't mean god is the answer by default you just want him to be the answer,
I can't tell you where everything started from but neither can you claim it's from god i refuted all 3 of your main points aswell.
How come god just randomly chose to reveal himself to some jews in the desert 2000+ years ago
Or to Muhammad if that's what you believe some random arab camel merchant in arabia because why the fuck not
Seriously you probably only believe this nonsense because your parents brought you up in a religious household without constant brainwashing i just can't fathom a critical thinking person believing in such myths
Read your holy book again with an open mind and apply Occams razor what's more likely all these ridiculous stories are from God who created the whole universe yet hides away from us until some day of judgement where he punishes those he doesn't like and if your religious you go to paradise and get 72 virgins and drink wine forever and ever and love god in some big sky mansion
Or that these stories were written by People in those times to give themself a purpose and to try and explain "What's out there" because they had no clue

 

[Semicel]

I'll be the first to accept We do not have all the answers that doesn't mean god is the answer by default you just want him to be the answer,
I can't tell you where everything started from but neither can you claim it's from god i refuted all 3 of your main points aswell.
How come god just randomly chose to reveal himself to some jews in the desert 2000+ years ago
Or to Muhammad if that's what you believe some random arab camel merchant in arabia because why the fuck not
Seriously you probably only believe this nonsense because your parents brought you up in a religious household without constant brainwashing i just can't fathom a critical thinking person believing in such myths

I have 2 main points and you haven't refuted shit. My 3 side points weren't even points at all, they are things that are fishy with the whole scientific narrative.

How come god just randomly chose to reveal himself to some jews in the desert 2000+ years ago

Why not? His will.

Seriously you probably only believe this nonsense because your parents brought you up in a religious household without constant brainwashing i just can't fathom a critical thinking person believing in such myths

It's true I was brought up in a religious household so I was a believer till about 9, atheist from 9 to 20 and a believer again from 20 till now.
Funny how you mention critical thinking when you can't even attempt to answer what's the origin of the universe and life.

We do not have all the answers that doesn't mean god is the answer by default you just want him to be the answer

This is just bullshit low IQ response. You don't have to know quantum mechanics to think the big bang theory doesn't make any sense.

How was the universe created? It had to be created from something, right? Attempt to answer it. How did life start? Both was an accident? That makes 0 sense. How can accident create something out of nothing?
Why doesn't an accident create a million dollars in my closet right now? Because it's impossible.

Critical thinking my ass. Seems more like you are just a blind believer.

 

[spicycurry]

We get this same thread every fucking week.

 

[Givingup20]

blind believer.

You tbh,
You are so retarded you actually woke up from your little bluepilled dream and went back and swallowed it again at 20 jfl
I refuted your little side points then, you have obviously done no research whatsoever if you think evolution is a "meme"
Or that the big bang doesn't make sense, I actually pity you

 

[Semicel]

You tbh
You are so retarded you actually woke up from your little bluepilled dream and went back and swallowed it again at 20 jfl
I refuted your little side points then you have obviously done no research whatsoever if you think evolution is a "meme"
Or that the big bang doesn't make sense, I actually pity you

Haha. So defensive of your fragile little belief, you can't allow even a little drop of the opposing opinion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
As I said, my side points aren't points, they are just things that have an extremely low chance of occuring. They are coupled with my main points (which you didn't refute and never will).

I never expected to convert anyone, nor it was my intention.
But you have to at least doubt, at least leave a 1% chance God exists, because it's plausible, and it's possible, and to me, highly likely.
If you think there's a literally 0% chance God exists, you're an idiot.

 

[Givingup20]

Haha. So defensive of your fragile little belief, you can't allow even a little drop of the opposing opinion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

I never expected to convert anyone, nor it was my intention.
But you have to at least doubt, at least leave a 1% chance God exists, because it's plausible, and it's possible, and to me, highly likely.
If you think there's a literally 0% chance God exists, you're an idiot.

Your the defensive one i'm trying to give you reasons why you should think about this more clearly and your saying "Oh well you don't know where we came from so i guess i'm right god's real blah blah blah.
I never said i don't think he might exist maybe he does exist but i believe the information in the Bible and the quran to be false and misleading.
How do you know we won't see Zeus or Amun-ra or Anubis when we die you are an Atheist when it comes to these gods i just happen to be an Atheist when it comes to the god of abraham

 

[Semicel]

Your the defensive one i'm trying to give you reasons why you should think about this more clearly and your saying "Oh well you don't know where we came from so i guess i'm right god's real blah blah blah.
I never said i don't think he might exist maybe he does exist but i believe the information in the Bible and the quran to be false and misleading.
How do you know we won't see Zeus or Amun-ra or Anubis when we die you are an Atheist when it comes to these gods i just happen to be an Atheist when it comes to the god of abraham

Yeah, I thought about it a lot and reached said conclusion.
To me, it's not about any holy book or a certain God. To me, it's the ultimate question whether you believe in God or any type of a higher force/being or not. And I do.
So yeah, agree to disagree man.

Take care.

 

[Givingup20]

Yeah, I thought about it a lot and reached said conclusion.
To me, it's not about any holy book or a certain God. To me, it's the ultimate question whether you believe in God or any type of a higher force/being or not. And I do.
So yeah, agree to disagree man.

Take care.

U too, peace

 

[Akkadian]

Your point would make sense if the Bible and Quran weren't littered with scientific innacuracies these books were written when people still believed the earth was flat they serve us no purpose in trying to explain where we came from Science is the only thing which is trying to get us the answers, religion is just a wild guess that some people in the desert thought up to control people and try and give their boring lives some kind of purpose

The quran does make sense boyo look at the miracles in this link
http://islamiclearningmaterials.com/miracles-of-the-quran/

 

[Robinxyz]

No. I understand your point though. The human mind needs to see everything through a linear path. All things must have a beginning and an end. The theory of evolution which is used to explain how a single cell evolves into a grown human can be used to help our understanding of the origins of the universe. We are probably part of a single cell which forms a more complex organism. Our universe is probably one among many. I don't know how to explain it very well, but life is probably an inevitable outcome of the laws of thermodynamics. Personally, I think the laws of physics were randomly set. In some universes, the laws of physics might be completely different from what we have here.

 

[BasedGod1]

Cope.

 

[Heightframeface]

Absolutely not. Religion is crowd control for sheeple

 

[Futurecel2.0]

I believe there is a higher power yes. Not like God in religion, but like an alien intelligent being or beings that created us humans. I don't think there is hell or heaven.

 

[June3cel2]

JFL if you are incel and still denying the theory of evolution. Gtfo evolutioncels

 

[PleaseKillMeLoseSkin]

Yes god is real, and I don't buy the lies brought to us by European Free Masons trying to disrupt the natural order of things in search of immortality.

The elites that control our media, textbooks, and radios are not atheist which leaves me to believe that there is a god.

 

[Deleted member 1499]

I'm an atheist.

 

[Juxtaposition6]

I can never be sure wheather there is a god or there isn't.

 

[Givingup20]

The quran does make sense boyo look at the miracles in this link
http://islamiclearningmaterials.com/miracles-of-the-quran/

There is absolutely no proof any of that happened, It also claims Sulayman spoke to the ants and Muhammad flew to heaven on a horse with wings i mean c'mon at what point do you think this sounds too much

 

[Akkadian]

There is absolutely no proof any of that happened, It also claims Sulayman spoke to the ants and Muhammad flew to heaven on a horse with wings i mean c'mon at what point do you think this sounds too much

prophet Mohamed went to the heavens on a being (not horse) with angel Gabriel, and prophet Solomon did have the ability to talk to animals as shown in the Quran, Bible and Torah.

 

[whitepriest]

No.