Theory Data interpretation is important.

[Puzzle]

Today I would like to discuss some data and how it can say things that are different from what it actually is. Some of you may have already seen this graph, which shows that men all prefer younger women, but that women supposedly prefer men who are more or less the same age.

Here is the problem. It's impossible for women to have developed a preference for men of the same age if men haven't done the same. There is no plausible way for this to happen , it's an evolutionary impossibility , which tells us one thing: women don't prefer men of the same age. To go further, let's take a look at another piece of data :

Notice how women peak at age 21, but also notice how they decline sharply after age 25, passing their peak attractiveness at age 31. However, also note how men seem to peak at age 25, then begin to decline around age 30, passing their peak attractiveness at age 36. According to this graph, it seems that no man ages like fine wine. Men and women seem to follow the same pattern, but women reach their peak earlier, which makes sense given that they develop more quickly than men.

NOW If women REALLY had a preference for men of the same age, as previously indicated in the graph, men cannot have a peak, but this data seems to indicate quite the opposite and it's between the ages of 25 and 30.

This raises the question: why does the first graph show that women prefer men of the same age? The reason is simple: it is the result of social dynamics rather than natural preferences. Women's “preference” for men their own age or older is a reaction to men's behavior, particularly on dating platforms that favor younger women :

This contributes to an asymmetry in the supply of messages: younger women receive more messages, while women of the same age as men receive less attention in the initial messages.

So, in this dynamic:

This may effectively push this 30-year-old woman to accept or turn to men her age, due to a lack of sufficient messages from them.

 

[CRASH THE CUCK]

interpretes me

 

[DoomThreeKoala]

interpretes me

 

[Ambatukam Alone]

This may effectively push this 30-year-old woman to accept or turn to men her age, due to a lack of sufficient messages

 

[SmhChan]

We all getting an interpreter job after reading this thread.

 

[SmhChan]

This GrAY is the new pseudo-intellectual retard on the block.

 

[Leon98]

interpretes me

 

[Puzzle]

This GrAY is the new pseudo-intellectual retard on the block.

You can see that the older a man gets, the more he broadens the age range towards younger women, but also note that he does not change the older option.

Yes, further proof of men's preference for youth. I didn't think I needed to go into such detail about that , but apparently some people need it.

 

[Puzzle]

We all getting an interpreter job after reading this thread.

You can even see the message concentration in color in case you didn't see it before posting.

 

[SmhChan]

I didn't think I needed to go into such detail about that , but apparently some people need it.

Yeah, my man, without your GRaY-enlightenment we would be going nowhere.
Middle-aged divorced roasties getting gangbanged in the Caribbean resorts or by a bunch of high-school chads really tells us a lot about older foids turning to men their age.

 

[SmhChan]

You can even see the message concentration in color in case you didn't see it before posting.

You're the definition of a nerd trying too hard.

 

[Puzzle]

Yeah, my man, without your GRaY-enlightenment we would be going nowhere.
Middle-aged divorced roasties getting gangbanged in the Caribbean resorts or by a bunch of high-school chads really tells us a lot about older foids turning to men their age.

Very representative of the overall situation indeed. Are you one of those people who show an ugly man with a beautiful woman and then make generalizations?

You're the definition of a nerd trying too hard.

I'm a nerd, I'll give you that. That's why I'm here.

 

[InvoluntaryChigga]

due to a lack of sufficient messages from them.

 

[Dockta_33]

yo dude I have some questions for you, can you pm me?

 

[Puzzle]

This actually proves my last point: the dating market only favors young women. Men, out of desperation and a lack of messages from these young women, turn to grannies for one-night stands, but that doesn't mean they prefer them or that these are the women who they message the most. Just as older women are forced to accept men their own age in order to have a serious relationship.

 

[Puzzle]

yo dude I have some questions for you, can you pm me?

you can send me a message

 

[tulasdanslos]

This actually proves my last point: the dating market only favors young women. Men, out of desperation and a lack of messages from these young women, turn to grannies for one-night stands, but that doesn't mean they prefer them or that these are the women who they message the most. Just as older women are forced to accept men their own age in order to have a serious relationship.

This is the fallacy known as doubling down. It's rare in incel sites because it's mostly used by leftists, but it can happen. It is seen when somebody makes a dreadfully incorrect assertion that gets proven wrong. That person will then use a different "logical" chain that contradicts his original statement but supports his position. He even says that sociosexual dynamics exclusively benefit young women in his doubling down, when his explanation is a coping mechanism to handle the fact hags get plenty of attention.

 

[Dockta_33]

you can send me a message

I can't, you got it set up to where I can't

 

[Ambatukam Alone]

Should I take the time to actually debunk all of this? My brain isn't what it used to be, I sure hope I don't embarrass myself by making logical errors whilst trying to debunk stuff.

This whole thing feels a giant clusterfuck.

Grammar error in the actual graph is always a good sign.

Here is the problem. It's impossible for women to have developed a preference for men of the same age if men haven't done the same. There is no plausible way for this to happen , it's an evolutionary impossibility ,

It's evolutionarily impossible for men to prefer younger women and for women to prefer same age men at the same time? You know individuals can reproduce outside of their desired preferences, right? They could also have a sexual preference different from their stated dating preference (I'm more sexually attracted to a typical 25 y/o physique, but would rather date a 30 y/o if she looks fine). Another point, let's say a man has a harem from age 20 to 60, throughout it he acquires new young females yet keeps the older ones, get where I'm going?

but also notice how they decline sharply after age 25, passing their peak attractiveness at age 31

the average* (you did this twice).

NOW If women REALLY had a preference for men of the same age, as previously indicated in the graph, men cannot have a peak

If most of the dating pool is around 30, then they could. (More counterarguments in the general stuff below).

General obvious points:
1. Women could actually prefer men their own age, if such a preference was separate, and still end up dating 30 y/o men if they were more numerous, or ticked any other box that ranked higher than age (like looks or sexual performance or whatever).
2. "Lower messages concentration" is a relative term, not absolute (she's still drowning in attention).
3. It's common knowledge that women prefer older men more, and men younger women more.
4. I prefer thicc Japanese MILFs, but I'd jump at a chance to date anyone fulfilling the most basic of requirements.
5. Are the first two charts self-reported? Can we not mix self-report and actual messaging (for reasons stated)? And where is the data regarding actual relationships (just look at how people right now are actually married/LTR, their ages, this is basically unnecessary to begin with since we already know what men and women generally speaking are attracted to).

 

[Puzzle]

This is the fallacy known as doubling down. It's rare in incel sites because it's mostly used by leftists, but it can happen. It is seen when somebody makes a dreadfully incorrect assertion that gets proven wrong. That person will then use a different "logical" chain that contradicts his original statement but supports his position. He even says that sociosexual dynamics exclusively benefit young women in his doubling down, when his explanation is a coping mechanism to handle the fact hags get plenty of attention.

"leftists"

Ah yes, the famous ad hominem attack that people launch even though there is no connection here with politics.

Older women only get attention from men who have fetishes or who aren't looking for anything serious. You have to look at the bigger picture and see from the graphs that men mainly focus their messages on young women.

Do you really think older women respond to these guys who want to sleep with them? No, ideally they would want a 25-year-old man who wants to be in a relationship, but since that's impossible, they choose men their own age who are more likely to accept them.

 

[Puzzle]

It's evolutionarily impossible for men to prefer younger women and for women to prefer same age men at the same time? You know individuals can reproduce outside of their desired preferences, right?

Relationships between people of the same age do not provide any evolutionary advantage for women , what would be the evolutionary benefit to a 15-year-old female procreating with a 15-year-old male? None

In our precognitive days, an older male like 25-years-old would undoubtedly compete with the 15-year-old male for the 15-year-old female.

That means should the 15-year-old male be stupid enough to challenge that older male, he would be finished. If the female really wanted the 15-year-old, she would likely be finished as well as a result.

As women cannot get pregnant in later life, it has always been of benefit for males to favour younger women , no matter their own age. There is simply no escaping this reality.

the average* (you did this twice).

The average provides a more reliable representation than relying on individual differences.

1. Women could actually prefer men their own age, if such a preference was separate, and still end up dating 30 y/o men if they were more numerous, or ticked any other box that ranked higher than age (like looks or sexual performance or whatever).

I agree with that, except that men peak between the ages of 25 and 30 (looks etc.), so there is less chance of a woman being truly attracted to a 35-year-old man.

2. "Lower messages concentration" is a relative term, not absolute (she's still drowning in attention).

It's not relative when you look at the bigger picture. It could only be relative if I were comparing the Tinder matches of a granny to those of a younger woman. In absolute terms, we can clearly observe certain dynamics.

3. It's common knowledge that women prefer older men more, and men younger women more.

cope

PNAS

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www.pnas.org

5. Are the first two charts self-reported? Can we not mix self-report and actual messaging (for reasons stated)? And where is the data regarding actual relationships

The second one is a modeled chart and trends rather than raw self‑reported data.

 

[Cuckoja]

Im yet to meet a woman that has problems with man's age when shes the one liking him. It always bothers them when that guy like other younger woman.