I'm conflicted about MGTOW. On one hand, it is largely made up of incels in denial. On the other hand, they are the only other side of the manosphere that acknowledges how shit foids are and why they need to be avoided. They are responsible for making a lot of men more aware of how fucked things are. A lot of the points MGTOWs raise about relationships make sense, and they highlight that even if we got a gf or wife, things would still be shit. Better for us because at least we could get some pussy, but we would constantly have to watch for betrayal or cheating behavior. Its never easy as a sub 8 male, and maybe it is better to walk away. Alternatives will hopefully present themselves as more men, whether rejected by women or disgusted by them, request them.