This term is quite broad tbh: I mean, if a Whitecel just says they're opposed to immigration, which if they live in a diverse country could be seen as an implication that they are perhaps alright with some amounts of it, but not a current policy.
By many very broad metrics, most/if not all White users here would be considered "SFcels" especially when we have to deal with the usual JBW stuff: Yes, there is truth to it, but it is talked about a lot on this site when we could discuss over things(NTpill for example) & often makes many of us feel as If our struggles are invalidated.
In fact, I feel the biggest determining factor in this, is just that some of us(such as myself) like Nazi/"Stormfront" aesthetics, music, memes/edits & utilize it(such as with my sig).
youre the only one that actually sounds capable of logic and thinking,
I beg to differ,
@wereq &
@Chudpreet whilst not being White at least have been able to argue for it.
@Uggo Mongo @Azaylias &
@Chuddy (older user but has a new acc) also have argued & made good points in the past, yet sadly they don't post as much really & many of their posts/threads pertaining to this have been lost to time.
@Betrayed did also, as does
@based_meme
@DonezoTheClown @Hexagon77 also made solid arguments, which I have read.
Same for
@Corvus (rip brocel) &
@TBIcel
@Lonelyus also mentioned some graphs, stats, etc. as did even
@Govid_Dorious (miss him)
And yes, you & others are capable of logic, reason, and making good arguments, but that doesn't excuse the tons who merely will respond with "dnr" or throw the usual "you're protecting normies & foids" argument around if the situation was "reversed" if that makes any sense: Point I wish to make, is that quality of discussion on the forum & online in general is quite poor from all sides, POVS, etc. because we are in a very broad social decay.
Many people from either side probably can form a cohesive argument, however they do not engage for many reasons:
-Simply, most online debates are a waste of time objectively speaking: It is very rare that anyone would shift their stance, and it will basically go nowhere. But ofc, I still participate in them because it's interesting & well, I have not much else to do.
-They feel it won't be worth it, since they assume that they will get the "dnr" treatment.
-They think the points made are the usual stuff they have to hear, so again, see it is pointless.
-Even though many of us are rotters, we still have other copes & are busy with education & wageslavery.
so I respect that no matter what your views are tbh
Now, for me to discern:
I strongly agree with this view and I'm open to getting it changed. I've heard from all sides and racism is just another form of lookism. race is purely physical and the reason why some races have lower iqs than others isnt genetics
This isn't true necessarily: Yes, IQ can be influenced by many things, but research does show a good amount of it is determined by genetics. Logically, this also makes sense if we are to apply basic blackpilled beliefs in this case.
Studies have shown that intelligence has a genetic component, but they have not conclusively identified any single genes that have major roles in differences in intelligence. It is likely that intelligence involves many genes that each make only a small contribution to a person’s intelligence. Other areas that contribute to intelligence, such as memory and verbal ability, involve additional genetic factors.
Factors that affect intelligence include genes, education, nutrition, and others. Learn more about how genetics impacts intelligence.
medlineplus.gov
Around half of your IQ is determined from the moment you are born: I do believe the environment you are in can impact this somewhat, but as what was discerned above, it seems that other factors which go-on to impact these kind of things(memory & verbal ability) will develop due to your natural growth, and thus will go on to impact it regardless of the environment.
its because one tribe (whites and jews) was lucky enough to gain alot of wealth due to their geographical location and therefore became more educated while the rest was left with no wealth and therefore no education (blacks and browns) due to being in an unfortunate location with hostile neighbors.
Mfw you said Whites & Jews are the same.
I can understand your point here: Yes, Europe did offer a strategic location, I won't deny that.
However, it's important to take note of the fact that places such as Africa also were quite rich in resources which Europe had, such as coal & iron, as well as arable farmland:
Africa is the third-largest gold producing continent in the world, and has gold mining activities in more than 21 of its countries. Ghana, one of the
world's leading countries in gold production, and the second-largest producer in Africa, produced approximately 90 metric tons of gold in 2023.
It is the sedimentary Precambrian rocks, particularly in
western Africa, that have proved the basis of Africa’s role as a major world producer of iron ore. The most significant deposits are in
Liberia in the Bomi Hills, Bong and Nimba ranges, and Mano valley; in the
extension into Guinea of the Nimba–Simandou ranges, where hematites have been located; in
Nigeria and
Mauritania, which have large deposits of low-grade ore; and in
Gabon, where extensive reserves are present in the northeast. In Southern Africa most iron ore reserves lie in
South Africa itself.
Africa - Metallic deposits: In North Africa reserves of iron ore are concentrated in the Atlas Mountains and in the western Sahara. Egypt, however, has medium-grade reserves, of which the most important are at Al-Baḥriyyah Oasis. The ore deposits in Morocco and Tunisia, which were once of...
www.britannica.com
It holds 65 per cent of the world’s arable land and ten percent of the planet’s internal renewable fresh water source.
Africa is rich in natural resources ranging from arable land, water, oil, natural gas, minerals, forests and wildlife. The continent holds a huge proportion of the world’s natural resources, both renewables and non-renewables. Africa is home to some 30 percent of the world’s mineral reserves...
www.unep.org
I also want to point out, that whilst Europeans did have a geographical advantage, that doesn't account for the fact that Europeans did have to endure hardships, which in a way made them stronger as a population:
-Harsher climate, which made agriculture more harsh
-Infighting, as well as attacks & invasions from groups such as Turks, Huns, Arabs etc.
Sure, Europeans may have had some advantages due to location, but in order to truly utilize this & expand as we did, it does require some degree of mental endowment in intelligence.
Let's also not forget, one of the main reasons for the Industrial Revolution, was due to the coal deposits in Wales & West England.
the fact how there are some black scientists and doctors that exist disproves that iq is based on race. are these black people a minority? yes. but does it also prove that blacks are capable of being intelligent if they were born in a similar environment as the wealthier races? also yes
This is partially true, there are ofc outliers as always: However, it is also important to understand averages here.
Yes, you do find some intelligent Black scientists, thinkers, etc. I won't deny that, and ofc these guys mog me(and basically everyone else here) in IQ
But let's bring up some info:
I started this post to refute some specific arguments, but I changed my mind midstream and decided to add a lot more material than I initially envisioned. This is best viewed as being akin to a FAQ…
randomcriticalanalysis.com
Whilst this does indicate that yes, better living standards can increase overall IQ, a lot of it is pre-determined: This correlates with the blackpill yet again, which states that most/everything is predetermined by genetics.
also one of the main things white supremacists insult other races for is their appearance. terms like "shitskin" and "apes" is given because of how they look, not because of their personality.
I have heard stuff such as cumskin, cracker, and other derogatory terms, both online(here & elsewhere) as well as thrown at me irl.
You are partially correct on this: Many do throw insults based upon appearance, but then Whites also get insulted based on appearance. However, a lot of it also is to do with observed behavior. A WN calling a Black an "ape" could come down to lookism, but also perhaps due to observing behavior which was violent, aggressive, etc. and thus was trying to liken it to an animal.
judging someone based on how they look is what foids do. therefore its lookism and its just pure hatred over appearance, not behavior. racism is just being a jerk because you dont like the way others look, its not deeper than that.
I've never necessarily thought myself of being "superior" to others just due to my Whiteness: If I have stated it on here, it is me simply responding to any kind of statement I may view as an attack on myself and/or other Whitecels. Even in that case, I am mainly referring to the fact that Whites
I can empathize with those that had bad experiences with browns since I went through that
Thank you for empathizing: Sure, the White normies treated me poorly, but the Hispanics I tried to befriend were even worse, and the Blacks were just outright hostile towards me.
but I can also realize that not all browns are bad, just like how not all men are jerks and nobody deserves to be hated based on things not under their control, right? a
also, even with foids Im careful not to judge them until I see hints of their behavior that indicates they're hypergamist, anti-male whores.
Honestly, foids are much more likely to behave the same: Remember a thread I did awhile back which somewhat touched upon this? Foids IQs tend to cluster more closer to the center, which serves to reinforce our claim that foids tend to have the exact same kinds of behavior & personality oftentimes.
Foids also have a much stronger in-group preference as opposed to males:
This research found that while both women and men have more favorable views of women, women's
in-group biases were 4.5 times stronger
[5] than those of men. And only women (not men) showed cognitive balance among in-group bias, identity, and self-esteem, revealing that men lack a mechanism that bolsters automatic preference for their own gender.
[5]
en.wikipedia.org
I can understand seeing crime statistics and wanting to avoid interactions people based on their stats, but to act hostile to people based on how they look is lookism and just being an asshole
And that's kind of where I, and quite a few others, are coming from: We are not "hating" on a group/demographic because we see them as "ugly" or "weird" looking & thus want to try & assert ourselves over them. We simply are recognizing that certain groups are more prone to behavior which is violent, based on our own observations & research, and thus will associate the average behavior we see from them as a reason to not only avoid them, but wish to live separate from them.
I recall when I was much younger, I think around 11-12 or so, I recall mentioning to my parents how I noticed that a lot of the "troublemakers" at school were Black: I also recall wondering when I was around 13-14 as to how certain physical features are dominant in certain races & virtual absent in some, which prompted me to being my interest in anthropology.
I wouldn't necessarily label these from a "racist" perspective, as in I thought "they look ugly/weird/different" and thus I am better than them: Instead, I would simply consider it as just noticing common traits amongst people whom fit into a demographic, and
Now to bring up some points I have:
Humans, by genetic predisposition, are more likely to associate faces of their own race as being more "friendly" & have natural predisposition towards favoring them:
A recent functional magnetic resonance imaging study by
Golby, Gabrieli, Chiao, and Eberhardt (2001) provided evidence that this recognition bias is accompanied by a race-dependent neural activation pattern. Using a recognition paradigm, these authors found higher activation in response to own-race than to other-race faces in specific face-sensitive regions of the adult brain.
The results indicate that preference for own-race faces is present as early as 3 months of age
Wether we like it or not, human brains are just wired to have an affinity for preference of own-race faces: Again, this correlates with the blackpill in a way.
In general, it seems that multiculturalism tends to make things worse for everyone, as per findings on research:
Does ethnic diversity erode social trust? Continued immigration and corresponding growing ethnic diversity have prompted this essential question for modern societies, but few clear answers have been reached in the sprawling literature. This article reviews the literature on the relationship...
www.annualreviews.org
from this article, it shows that a negative correlation between that of ethnic diversity & social trust exists, upon examining various studies relating to it.
“People living in ethnically diverse settings appear to ‘hunker down’—that is, to pull in like a turtle,” Putnam writes.
In documenting that hunkering down, Putnam challenged the two dominant schools of thought on ethnic and racial diversity, the “contact” theory and the “conflict” theory. Under the contact theory, more time spent with those of other backgrounds leads to greater understanding and harmony between groups. Under the conflict theory, that proximity produces tension and discord.
Putnam's findings reject both theories. In more diverse communities, he says, there were neither great bonds formed across group lines nor heightened ethnic tensions, but a general civic malaise. And in perhaps the most surprising result of all, levels of trust were not only lower between groups in more diverse settings, but even among members of the same group.
Jonas, Michael. 2007. “The Downside of Diversity”.
wcfia.harvard.edu
Generally, it seems that heterogeneity tends to breed distrust not only amongst the various races in a society, but even amongst these races internally: Now, I am not assigning this as the whole blame for the normies of my own race mistreating me, but it was perhaps part of the reason. Not to mention, stuff from Black & Hispanic culture, which values NT-centric behavior, aggression, being a dick in general, etc. is propagated & popularized in the media, so ofc that would perhaps attribute another factor in this case.
To go off a bit here, I would like to address a claim that many make, stating that "SFcels" want to "protect muh normies n' foids" when this is not the truth: I am a misanthrope & just don't like people in general, all here are tbh. However, as I previously discerned, the normies of my own race did treat me a bit better as opposed to ethnic normies: To them, I am just ugly & autistic, but to ethnic normies, I am all that & also White, which is problematic for many reasons.
I will always dislike the average non-white more than the average white, but ofc a blackpilled ethnic brocel>white normshit, and I mean that with every ounce of fiber in me.
Not to mention, diversity can harm the economic system: If some are mounting an argument there that IQ only is due to socioeconomic factors, then by this logic it would make sense for races to live separated, since it wouldn't interfere with the socio-econmic conditions:
In a recent study, Glaeser and colleague Alberto Alesina demonstrated that roughly half the difference in social welfare spending between the US and Europe—Europe spends far more—can be attributed to the greater ethnic diversity of the US population. Glaeser says lower national social welfare spending in the US is a “macro” version of the decreased civic engagement Putnam found in more diverse communities within the country.
Economists Matthew Kahn of UCLA and Dora Costa of MIT reviewed 15 recent studies in a 2003 paper, all of which linked diversity with lower levels of social capital. Greater ethnic diversity was linked, for example, to lower school funding, census response rates, and trust in others. Kahn and Costa's own research documented higher desertion rates in the Civil War among Union Army soldiers serving in companies whose soldiers varied more by age, occupation, and birthplace.
Jonas, Michael. 2007. “The Downside of Diversity”.
wcfia.harvard.edu
Another factor I want to address, is the bias towards Whites in the media & also in the job-market:
Whilst I hate this Capitalist system, I have to wageslave in order to survive: Considering that I am already disadvantaged due to my looks, NTness, height, and gender, I think that it may be obvious why this would piss me off.
Mostly correct. I would also say that a lot of people here, despite suffering due to lookism, are also rather lookist themselves in general, but frankly, there's nothing that can be done about that, it's just instinctive for humans.
I will admit, I still behave "lookist" in some manners: When I walk around my college, I think when I see a foid "if she was a male, she would be rotting with me on .is" and even with guys, I sometimes think "if he was norwooding & shorter, he would be Incel"
However, as I discerned above, humans have a natural biological preference to prefer faces which are of their own race.
That said, that in itself isn't an argument against ethnic/racial nationalism. Ultimately, humans divide themselves into in-groups and out-groups, and it's always better to live in an area ruled by your in-group rather than outsiders.
Ethnic/racial nationalism is pragmatically, one of the best ideologies/stances to adhere towards as an Incel: Naturally, we divide ourselves along these lines & it is an objectively good way to classify & determine people.
I also firmly believe it can be a good grounds for social cohesion, which betters the nation, and this may better an Incels life: Having an Authoritarian system place an emphasis on racial & national unity, whilst enforcing stuff such as youth programs, groups, etc will provide a common sense of unity amongst a people, and allow for normies to maybe view Incels in a better light.
Not that you are going to be accepted or anything, being an incel always makes you an outcast, but being a minority is an additional handicap, and there's not much wrong with not wanting to be in that position if you're a majority, and wanting to escape it if you're a minority.
It really varies by race & area tbh.
However, as I did discern above, multiculturalism & multiracialism does make things worse for everyone in many ways: For ethnicels, especially if your group doesn't have any kind of perceived "coolness" or positive about it the way Blacks have in the US for example, you will feel even more ostracized. As a White incel, you feel as if you are being "replaced" in a way -since our birthrates are declining & many minorities have increasing one-, will also feel you have no sense of identity in your country at all, and also will have to deal with the lower QOL as a result of all this. Not to mention, most ethnic cultures(except Asiatics) are more NTcentric, which ofc could be problematic. Per the research above, it seems these environments lower-trust internally amongst races, and thus will allow for worse treatment from those amongst your own race.
I've gotten nastily blackpilled about the reality of this while reading about the history of my nation/ethnicity, which was a minority ruled by others for centuries, and I for sure would not want to try that for myself.
I was going to mention you in this, but you already responded: I recall awhile back you shared something concerning a wave of immigration to your country in history, and how it correlated heavily with a general decline in life. Granted, I would imagine considering most of these immigrants were from Europe, but now imagine it's immigrants who not only look very different, but behave different, come from a completely different part of the world, etc.
The vast majority of studies that have looked at those issues have consistently found that there are IQ differences between races and that IQ is highly heritable.
en.wikipedia.org
Frankly, the mere fact of IQ being highly heritable inevitably all but proves at least some average racial differences in IQ. Every single heritable physical trait (such as this forum's (and foids') beloved height) is different across geographically seperated groups due to different evolutionary bottlenecks. Believing that mental traits are somehow completely safe from this is extremely naive and bluepilled.
Think about it. In individuals and families, IQ is mostly determined by their genetics. Individuals and families are what makes up populations of various regions. What, then, makes it impossible for the inhabitants of one region to have a better genetic basis for intelligence than the inhabitants of another region? Nothing. Just switch that with height and you'll see how comical such assertions are
. By that exact same logic, you can say that, yes, height is highly heritable and genes based, but that's only between individuals and families and so on, and actually, the average height in every country is the same
.
Now, I will say, other factors than genes definitely do play a role. The Flynn effect is real, and as developing countries are, well,
developing and getting richer, the people there are getting smarter, just as they are getting taller thanks to better nutrition. But does that mean that all human populations have the same genetic basis to get as tall or smart as each other? I genuinely can't bring myself to think so and I believe all the available evidence points against such an assumption.
This is true: I do acknowledge that development & living conditions can impact things, as shown by evidence above, but I think at the end of the day genetics is the main determinant, at least 60% of it.
tl;dr I am not a "racist" for viewing myself as innately superior to others, for for thinking that simply because they look different they are "ugly, lesser than me, etc" I simply notice a strong correlation in behavior patterns amongst races, which is ofc an Autism trait: I also notice the broader impacts which multiculturalism has & how it makes things worse for everyone, I also believe that homogenous societies will be better in general & possibly can be used in ways to lessen and/or solve the Incel crisis, provided some blackpill & anti "foid rights" laws/ideals are in place.
