JFL Can ruzzian orcs explain this to me?

[Mortis]

One of the stated reasons why your supreme leader Putin is invading ukraine is to ostensibly "denazify" it and refers to ukrainian leaders as neo-nazis.

View: https://youtu.be/J55cSx8Rz_g?si=kC9Pqvn8xvUTlWaG

Which is odd because many of you orcs are also stormfrontcels, so why would you ever support an ex-KGB agent that dreams of the communist USSR, and wants to denazify a supposed country filled to the brim with nazis.

How does this work again?

 

[Mortis]

@wereq

 

[WorthlessSlavicShit]

Don’t think I’ve ever seen an answer to this from the Putin-supporting Stormfront bunch, would be funny if this thread happened to be the place where one will finally be given.

 

[ShiiOfTheSPLC]

Nazi just means "vague western enemy" in Ruzzia. This is what Ukrainians are identifying as when they call themselves Nazis and what Russia means when they accuse them of being Nazis

It doesn't really have the same meaning of "authoritarian ethnonationalist chud" that it does in the west because Russia has always been like that themselves and they were actively carrying out their own ethnic cleansings of Chechens, Finns etc during the same time period.

 

[Mortis]

Nazi just means "vague western enemy" in Ruzzia.

That's a giga cope because they deliberately point out the Azov battalion (a neo-nazi paramilitary org) and the support for Stepan Bandera as proof that ukraine is a nazi supporting hell hole.

You can't change the meaning of the term in this one.

 

[ShiiOfTheSPLC]

That's a giga cope because they deliberately point out the Azov battalion (a neo-nazi paramilitary org) and the support for Stepan Bandera as proof that ukraine is a nazi supporting hell hole.

You can't change the meaning of the term in this one.

Azov's soldiers and commanders are disproportionately Jewish and Ruzzians will accuse Ukrainians of being Judeo-Banderites and Nazis in the same breath

The concept of Nazism unironically has nothing to do with stormfront politics in this region and you can be any combination of a Jew, a Nazi, and a chud simultaneously or separately without any inherent contradiction

 

[Mortis]

Azov's soldiers and commanders are disproportionately Jewish and Ruzzians will accuse Ukrainians of being Judeo-Banderites and Nazis in the same breath

The concept of Nazism unironically has nothing to do with stormfront politics in this region

Thanks for admitting that it's yet another complete bs reason. Putin just wants to consolidate power once again, no real other motives behind it.

 

[Lonelyus]

One of the stated reasons why your supreme leader Putin is invading ukraine is to ostensibly "denazify" it and refers to ukrainian leaders as neo-nazis.

View: https://youtu.be/J55cSx8Rz_g?si=kC9Pqvn8xvUTlWaG

Which is odd because many of you orcs are also stormfrontcels, so why would you ever support an ex-KGB agent that dreams of the communist USSR, and wants to denazify a supposed country filled to the brim with nazis.

How does this work again?

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Russia dont want ukraine to fall into nato and since the failed attack hes just been spamming troops, Putins health is declining and he is more agressive than ever, If ukraine stops fighting it ceases to exist so it cannot, Azov is not nazi anymore says the media so there isnt much nazi, Its mostly so nato doesnt take ukraine under its wings.

 

[Mortis]

Russia dont want ukraine to fall into nato and since the failed attack hes just been spamming troops, Putins health is declining and he is more agressive than ever, If ukraine stops fighting it ceases to exist so it cannot, Azov is not nazi anymore says the media so there isnt much nazi, Its mostly so nato doesnt take ukraine under its wings.

I know, it's just weird for stormfrontcels to ignore the whole underlying "Nazis vs Soviets" themes that are riddled all over this war

 

[Cnidoblastos]

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[based_meme]

Putin just wants to consolidate power once again, no real other motives behind it.

Problem, NATOfag?

 

[ArcticShadow]

 

[ArcticShadow]

Problem, NATOfag?

 

[based_meme]

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62134804

 

[ArcticShadow]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62134804

Gay marriage>Russian savages

 

[based_meme]

Gay marriage>Russian savages

There you have it. LGBT faggot admits his love of homosexuality.

 

[Mortis]

Problem, NATOfag?

 

[CroatianManlet2]

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Kys faggot back to reddit

 

[CroatianManlet2]

Kys faggot back to reddit

This is who you support

 

[nazianime]

 

[Mortis]

This is who you support
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[Mortis]

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Based GrAY

 

[CroatianManlet2]

Gay marriage>Russian savages

Ban this faggot now

 

[Chuddington]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62134804

12th of July 2022

By a literal who BLM nigger "journalist"

A fucking online petition with 28,000 signatures

Seems legit

 

[Chuddington]

This is who you support
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Cope

 

[Atavistic Autist]

One of the stated reasons why your supreme leader Putin is invading ukraine is to ostensibly "denazify" it and refers to ukrainian leaders as neo-nazis.

By putting scare-quotes around "denazify," and qualifying it with "ostensibly," you answer your own question. It's emotive propaganda that isn't really relevant to the war, except insofar as the ultranationalist Azov Battalion was really hated by the Russians of the Donbas.

Yet the Russian equivalent of Azov, Wagner, was literally founded by a Germanophile with tattoos of Germanic Runes.

"Denazification" is not unlike how America might talk about "muh freedumbs" as a justification for war. You are low IQ if you make too much out of it.

 

[Mortis]

By putting scare-quotes around "denazify," and qualifying it with "ostensibly," you answer your own question. It's emotive propaganda that isn't really relevant to the war, except insofar as the ultranationalist Azov Battalion was really hated by the Russians of the Donbas.

Yet the Russian equivalent of Azov, Wagner, was literally founded by a Germanophile with tattoos of Germanic Runes.

"Denazification" is not unlike how America might talk about "muh freedumbs" as a justification for war. You are low IQ if you make too much out of it.

There are undeniable "nazi vs soviet" themes all over the war that stormfrontcels just seem to love to ignore.

But you're right most of the justifications for it are largely bullshit made up by putin to consolidate power.

(Btw installing democracies and "muh freedoms" was unironically a big part of American operations so they aren't really comparable)

 

[Atavistic Autist]

(Btw installing democracies and "muh freedoms" was unironically a big part of American operations so they aren't really comparable)

"Democracy" is just window-dressing. Even North Korea calls itself a Democratic Republic, lol.

And of course, the Arab Gulf monarchies are literal tyrannies with less democratic pretenses than Iran, yet America is allied with the Gulf monarchies.

 

[Mortis]

America is allied with the Gulf monarchies.

They'd only never invade them because they'd never risk their oil supplies like that.

 

[pixy.]

There's no real big reason behind it other than we just hate Russia less than we hate NATO, Russia invading Ukraine denies NATO another ally.

Gay marriage>Russian savages

The absolute state.

 

[Atavistic Autist]

There are undeniable "nazi vs soviet" themes all over the war that stormfrontcels just seem to love to ignore.

But you're right most of the justifications for it are largely bullshit made up by putin to consolidate power.

Of course there would be Nazi vs. Soviet themes given that the literal Nazi vs. Soviet WWII campaign was fought in this region -- the history of which is still very salient to the people who live there.

Ukrainian nationalists aren't very fond of the Soviet legacy given that it deprived them of independence, whereas Russians are very fond of it because it harkens back to a time when Russia was more powerful.

It doesn't mean that Russians who use Soviet iconography are socialists, anymore than Zionist Jews actually believe in the Old Testament which is supposed to give them a divine right to Palestinian territory

Lots of Zionists, particularly the founding fathers of Israel, were atheists, yet still used religious themes. This is a very good comparison because the dichotomy of Nazi vs. Soviet is nothing if not pseudo-religious, and aims to extract intuitive historical meaning from a war whose motivations are modern and nuanced.

 

[ItsovERfucks]

Gay marriage>Russian savages

 

[Mortis]

Of course there would be Nazi vs. Soviet themes given that the literal Nazi vs. Soviet WWII campaign was fought in this region -- the history of which is still very salient to the people who live there.

Ukrainian nationalists aren't very fond of the Soviet legacy given that it deprived them of independence, whereas Russians are very fond of it because it harkens back to a time when Russia was more powerful.

It doesn't mean that Russians who use Soviet iconography are socialists, anymore than Zionist Jews actually believe in the Old Testament which is supposed to give them a divine right to Palestinian territory

Lots of Zionists, particularly the founding fathers of Israel, were atheists, yet still used religious themes. This is a good comparison because the dichotomy of Nazi vs. Soviet is nothing if not pseudo-religious, and aims to extract intuitive historical meaning from a war whose motivations are more modern and nuanced.

It's a great analogy and I don't disagree at all. But my thread is about how it is weird that stormfrontcels don't feel anything about this on the nose pro-communist/anti-nazi sentiment that is used by every single russian apologist out there even if it is largely used to drump up fantastical images of the past.

There's people that unironically believe it and that's what makes it weird, to try and support a people that think antithetical to what you hold to be true and right. People being led into battle under largely irrelevant and false pretenses, still belief those prentenses to be true.

Let's say you are a devout christian and you aren't fond of the jewish religion, it would still be weird to support the people of isreal even if its basis (zionism) is largely atheistic. The people of isreal are jews that belief in the religious themes that were co-opted by zionists like the divine right to return. You can obviously see a contradiction that should make the devout christian uncomfortable, but we don't see that at all with stormfrontcels, which is what I am pointing out in my post.

 

[Atavistic Autist]

People being led into battle under largely irrelevant and false pretenses, still belief those prentenses to be true.

Nobody has time for nuance when they go into battle. It has to be a primitive dichotomy which declares that the enemy is all evil, and you are all good, for the sake of morale.

For Russia, this means castigating the enemy as Nazi. Because from a Russian perspective, the Nazis were an evil enemy intent on conquering them without regard for their wellbeing at all. The ultimate Nazi goal for a conquered Russia was to just let it starve, while all its food and oil supplies were diverted to Western Europe. Doesn't this sound a bit like what NATO would want for Russia? JFL

This all should not be confused with a denunciation of the ideological right-wing. Indeed, the only real ideological polarity in this war is between a liberal West and a more conservative Russia. So is it any wonder that right-wingers in the West would support Russia? It's a very parsimonious and obvious explanation.

 

[Mortis]

Doesn't this sound a bit like what NATO would want for Russia? JFL

No it doesn't.

a more conservative Russia.

It's just red fascism. Still antithetical to what stormfrontcels hold true.

I feel like you didn't really engage with the point of the thread.

 

[blackpillednigga]

HAHAHAHA

based mods

 

[Atavistic Autist]

No it doesn't.

Russian oil was being privatized and sold to the highest Western bidders after the Soviet Union fell, and the Russian people were starving at this time.

This is what they associate with increasing NATO control over their country and territorial sphere of influence.

It's just red fascism. Still antithetical to what stormfrontcels hold true.

I feel like you didn't really engage with the point of the thread.

You can be caught up in labels and emotive connotations all day, but it doesn't serve to further your understanding of anything.

is this the first time you're learning that social alliances rapidly shift and doesn't necessarily make sense from the vantage point of internal consistency? You remind me of the boomers saying during Trump's presidency that "isn't it so funny that leftists hate Russia and hate free speech now???? They used to love Russia and stand against McCarthyism!!!"

 

[Mortis]

I support Ukraine.

 

[Mortis]

Russian oil was being privatized

By who....

You can be caught up in labels and emotive connotations all day, but it doesn't serve to further your understanding of anything.

I already said that I agree with you XD, I've made my point clear multiple times.

There's people that unironically believe it and that's what makes it weird, to try and support a people that think antithetical to what you hold to be true and right. People being led into battle under largely irrelevant and false pretenses, still belief those prentenses to be true.

Let's say you are a devout christian and you aren't fond of the jewish religion, it would still be weird to support the people of isreal even if its basis (zionism) is largely atheistic. The people of isreal are jews that belief in the religious themes that were co-opted by zionists like the divine right to return. You can obviously see a contradiction that should make the devout christian uncomfortable, but we don't see that at all with stormfrontcels, which is what I am pointing out in my post.

doesn't necessarily make sense from the vantage point of internal consistency?

I know that but they don't, that's the whole point of the thread.

You remind me the boomers saying during Trump's presidency that "isn't it so funny that leftists hate Russia now???? They used to love Russia!!!"

Doesn't even make any sense because leftist still support russia in this war.

 

[Atavistic Autist]

Doesn't even make any sense because leftist still support russia in this war.

This is why such a conversation is tiring, it's all based in ephemeral labels. A "leftist" can mean a shitlib or a principled anti-imperialist who is against NATO and respects Russia's right to a sphere of influence over its historical territories in the interests of preserving peace.

I don't want to engage in word play because it's silly.

What you perceive as a contradiction is not really seen that way by those you are accusing of it. The complex interplay of history and modern political polarization produces the alliances you see today.

A lot of it is as basic bitch as right-wingers in America not wanting to support "Biden's War." It's just like how Bernie Sanders was against Bush's Iraq War, but all for Bill Clinton's War in Yugoslavia!

Why didn't Bernie Sanders support Serbia? After all, he's a socialist and Serbia was still using socialist iconography at the time. Slobodan Milošević was a communist

 

[Mortis]

Russia's right to a sphere of influence

I don't want to engage in word play because it's silly.

Or just use the correct terminology?

The complex interplay of history and modern political polarization produces the alliances you see today.

The thing is these stormfrontcels don't understand that so they are going to have to cope with it when I press this issue in their face. Even if they did they'd still have to cope with the contradiction of the people buying what putin is selling.

Why didn't Bernie Sanders support Serbia? After all, he's a socialist

He's a social democrat? Are you drunk?

 

[Mortis]

preserving peace.

 

[Atavistic Autist]

Or just use the correct terminology?

But I was parodying conservaboomers, who are the type to call shitlibs "leftists"

He's a social democrat? Are you drunk?

He literally took his honeymoon to the Soviet Union, expressed admiration for Fidel Castro as well as other Latin American revolutionaries, and was much more radical than his later moderation (meant to make him palatable for running as president in the Democratic Party) suggests.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-bernie-sanderss-1988-10-day-honeymoon-in-the-soviet-union/2019/05/02/db543e18-6a9c-11e9-a66d-a82d3f3d96d5_story.html

Bernie Sanders was bare-chested, towel-draped, sitting at a table lined with vodka bottles, as he sang “This Land Is Your Land” to his hosts in the Soviet Union in the spring of 1988.

The just-married socialist mayor from Vermont was on what he called “a very strange honeymoon,” an official 10-day visit to the communist country, and he was enthralled with the hospitality and the lessons that could be brought home.

BTW, the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks in Russia comprised a split in the... Russian Social Democratic Labor Party.

This is yet another example of you being stuck in ephemeral labels, which makes political conversation insufferable.

Le epic Nikolas Cage reaction gif

The fact is that there would not be a war right now if Ukraine agreed to give Donetsk and Lugansk autonomy, and agreed to never join NATO. Things which will end up being the case anyway after the war is concluded

They didn't agree to these terms because America and the West were there to prop them up.

Has that hill been worth the hundreds of thousands of people who have died over it? From an American perspective, sure, because Americans aren't dying, only Ukrainians and Russians are.

But if you've actually read the history of the region like me, and well before the region was topical in current events, then you would understand the complexities at play and not be so drawn towards labels. Indeed, one of the main things you learn in history is to actually think about processes and events, not petty labels and the presuppositions they come with.

 

[based_meme]

HAHAHAHA

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tbh

Zero tolerance for faggots and faggotry.

 

[Azaylias]

I can't speak for stormfronters. I don't really know why they'd support Russia or Ukraine

The only position that would make sense for them would be indifference

 

[Uninvited]

I

 

[Atavistic Autist]

I can't speak for stormfronters. I don't really know why they'd support Russia or Ukraine

The only position that would make sense for them would be indifference

Indifference to American foreign policy is tantamount to supporting its status quo.

If you are indifferent towards Israel vs. Palestine, you de facto support Israel, given how America is the only power on earth allowing Israel to act with such impunity.

Likewise, if you are indifferent towards Ukraine vs. Russia, you de facto support all the weapons shipments going to Ukraine and fueling a proxy war against Russia.

Because while you may be indifferent, the American government is NOT indifferent, but rather very committed to these conflicts. You thus either support these conflicts or you don't. Pretending to be neutral towards foreign conflicts in a literal empire is the biggest midwit take meant to posture as being more intelligent than you really are, LEL.

 

[Uninvited]

It should be accepted among white nativists/nationalists that this war is a Jewish war with Jew controlling both sides and the only aim and outcome of this war will be the depletion of breeding age white men in these countries who will be then be replaced by mass non white migrants for the purpose of white genocide and to cement the Jews power for eternity.

 

[Retardfuel]

It should be accepted among white nativists/nationalists that this war is a Jewish war with Jew controlling both sides and the only aim and outcome of this war will be the depletion of breeding age white men in these countries who will be then be replaced by mass non white migrants for the purpose of white genocide and to cement the Jews power for eternity.

BLM protests in slav shitholes incoming

 

[Azaylias]

Indifference to American foreign policy is tantamount to supporting its status quo.

If you are indifferent towards Israel vs. Palestine, you de facto support Israel, given how America is the only power on earth allowing Israel to act with such impunity.

Likewise, if you are indifferent towards Ukraine vs. Russia, you de facto support all the weapons shipments going to Ukraine and fueling a proxy war against Russia.

This explanation makes sense. I suppose the avid support for Putin specifically is what confused me