Discussion Are betabuxxers technically incels?

[ogreism]

Think about it, if you are a incel who is escortmaxxing you are still considered an incel because the woman is only fucking you because you are giving money in exchange for sex, but in a betabuxx relationship you are doing the exact same thing.

And if everything I said is true, that means the vast majority of men are technically incels because a woman isn't going to enter a relationship with most men unless there's some form of financial exchange.

am I on to something?

 

[FBI]

Yes and no.

 

[DeliriousMerchant]

 

[endoftheskies]

Think about it, if you are a incel who is escortmaxxing you are still considered an incel because the woman is only fucking you because you are giving money in exchange for sex, but in a betabuxx relationship you are doing the exact same thing.

And if everything I said is true, that means the vast majority of men are technically incels because a woman isn't going to enter a relationship with most men unless there's some form of financial exchange.

am I on to something?

Yes and no. Yes, because they are betabuxxers. No, because they are technically in an relationship. So I guess, it would be incel in spirit.

 

[proudweeb]

No but they're barely in better position than we are

they get boring sex once a month with a fat old ugly bitch who will divorce them soon

 

[ToBurble&Pine]

Yes
But they're not blackpilled trucels

 

[endoftheskies]

No but they're barely in better position than we are

they get boring sex once a month with a fat old ugly bitch who will divorce them soon

To an hungry man, every meal looks like an grand feast.

 

[Moth]

Yes and no?

Really?

Incels are people who've never had a romantic experience in their life. If you don't meet the requirements to create an account on this forum, you're not an incel.

 

[Wrath]

if you're ugly you're an incel

 

[fatass30000]

kinda? By definition they aren’t but at the same time if they weren’t rich they would had never ascended. Give any member of this forum a million dollars and they will ascend with some gold digging whore within a couple months. A lot of people underestimate what woman will do for money, a lot of modern women are basically high end prostitutes.

 

[rcnfive]

no they are even worse

 

[Marklonely]

By the literal definition if they get sex then no


But if you count an incel as someone who gets sex without having to use factors like money then maybe they are a little bit incel as their wife probably doesn't truly love him like how she would with a Chad.

 

[autisticsoy]

not really being an incel means having no sucess in getting a relationship or finding love. The betabuxx has a relationship and most likely started a family even if his relationship with his wife is garbage. Incels are not getting any of that, we will just be alone.

 

[Manlet]

They aren't incels.

 

[wagger12]

literally no

 

[andrej]

No but they're barely in better position than we are

they get boring sex once a month with a fat old ugly bitch who will divorce them soon

 

[Grodd]

They are cucks.

 

[m1nn0w]

no because women will fuck guys who have money for free

 

[Ricecel Sungnodius]

No.

 

[PersonalityChad]

No

 

[Aspiring Janitor]

no they are even worse

Copium

 

[rcnfive]

Copium

simp

 

[Animecel2D]

Yes your dad is an incel invite him on here asap

 

[TooSomething]

Yes because they aren't in a genuine relationship.

If we go by the rule that one can only truely ascend in his teens, with a foid that only wants you for you, then most men on this earth are incels, really.
They may have had sex, they may have ended up in a loveless relationship that is basically a business contract, but they were not chosen for who they are, but for what they can provide.

Incel in denial, I would call them.

We consider escortcels to be incels. They did have sex, after all.
Yet that does not count, because they have had to pay for it.

Now, if you ask me, a betabuxxer has to pay WAY more.
He has to pay with his time, money and even his own resources for a used up wench. But on top of all this, he has to pay with his dignity and even if they end up having kids "together" it is not safe to say that those kids will be his. Most betabuxxers I know will never dare to question their paternity.

I know such relationships from some co-workers and it is the most cucked shit ever.
Some raise other mens' kids even.
I have even tried to talk them out of it, ngl.

One has ended up calling me a woman hater, no joke. The other is literally ok with raising another man's child and doesn't want any of his own.

Imo, technically most men are incels. It is just that WE HERE are so undesirable that foids wouldn't even want a betabuxx relationship with us.

 

[ogreism]

Yes because they aren't in a genuine relationship.

If we go by the rule that one can only truely ascend in his teens, with a foid that only wants you for you, then most men on this earth are incels, really.
They may have had sex, they may have ended up in a loveless relationship that is basically a business contract, but they were not chosen for who they are, but for what they can provide.

Incel in denial, I would call them.

We consider escortcels to be incels. They did have sex, after all.
Yet that does not count, because they have had to pay for it.

Now, if you ask me, a betabuxxer has to pay WAY more.
He has to pay with his time, money and even his own resources for a used up wench. But on top of all this, he has to pay with his dignity and even if they end up having kids "together" it is not safe to say that those kids will be his. Most betabuxxers I know will never dare to question their paternity.

I know such relationships from some co-workers and it is the most cucked shit ever.
Some raise other mens' kids even.
I have even tried to talk them out of it, ngl.

One has ended up calling me a woman hater, no joke. The other is literally ok with raising another man's child and doesn't want any of his own.

Imo, technically most men are incels. It is just that WE HERE are so undesirable that foids wouldn't even want a betabuxx relationship with us.

you made a lot of excellent points.

 

[Alvin31]

Having a good look and decent social skills are prerequirement before the foids approve you to become her betabuxxer. So no betabuxx are NOT incel

 

[Barlog]

This is why the best definition of incel is ugly, broke and ND.

 

[TooSomething]

you made a lot of excellent points.

Or we could simply say that there are different levels of inceldom.

We here are at the bottom of it, except for escortcels like me. But then again, it is just simping and I have stopped doing it some eight years ago or so.

We could argue that betabuxxers may get some obligatory sex, but ultimately end up in a dead bedroom situation. It could get worse. Their foid could suggest an open relationship, a threesome with another dude and all that bullshit.
Even if not, a dead bedroom is basically inceldom while the betabuxxer is tied to her because he is married, most likely, and can't just go somewhere else and have sex.

Hell, even the bible commanded both men and women to fulfill their marital duties by having regular sex with one another.

Clearly, the betabuxx situation can be found even in the bible. This is not some modern problem.

You cannot negotiate attraction. So what a dude is married to a foid? It does not necessarily have any meaning.

This is the same reason why I view SEAmaxxers as escortcels with extra steps.

Personally, I would NEVER get into a betabuxx situation. Might as well put a chastity thing on my dick and cuck myself.
Yeah, volcel, whatever.

The only chance for somewhat true ascensio I still have, so to speak, is to get with some 16 year old virgin and experience tee love to some extent.

I am not even joking.

Once they hit 20 or are in their mid twenties they have got completely different goal.

If I cannot get that raw attraction from a teen foid, I don't want it, tbh.

 

[TooSomething]

Having a good look and decent social skills are prerequirement before the foids approve you to become her betabuxxer. So no betabuxx are NOT incel

Sorry, but that is just not true. If you socialize with normies, even in a professional setting, you will notice that most betabuxxers are not good looking.

They have decent social skills, but they are NOT good looking.

And this is not even nit-picking.

 

[NormieCelll]

I guess there's no way to prove it but if the foid has absolutely zero physical attraction to the man and is strictly only with him for the money, then yeah he might as well be an incel, and at this point it's basically a suggar dating / prostitution with extra steps type of relationship.

Edit: except that in the case of a long term betabuxxing marriage with kids, the foid didn't do it by greed/wanting to make a quick buck, but bc her biological clock ran out and no chad wanted her anymore.

 

[Eastwest404]

Think about it, if you are a incel who is escortmaxxing you are still considered an incel because the woman is only fucking you because you are giving money in exchange for sex, but in a betabuxx relationship you are doing the exact same thing.

And if everything I said is true, that means the vast majority of men are technically incels because a woman isn't going to enter a relationship with most men unless there's some form of financial exchange.

am I on to something?

Not by definition, but by nature they are. The moment they lose their wealth, it's all going down to inceldom

 

[LeFrenchCel]

No

 

[Cuckoja]

Depends on the betabuxxers, most are low tier normies. Usually had few girls prior to marriage.

If he got none before sugarbabying someone, then yes, nothing better than us.

 

[Caichan]

Think about it, if you are a incel who is escortmaxxing you are still considered an incel because the woman is only fucking you because you are giving money in exchange for sex, but in a betabuxx relationship you are doing the exact same thing.

And if everything I said is true, that means the vast majority of men are technically incels because a woman isn't going to enter a relationship with most men unless there's some form of financial exchange.

am I on to something?

Nope

 

[Divineone]

Yesn't

 

[ParasiteToSociety]

No

 

[Aspiring Janitor]

simp

Failing to attract any foid even for monetary reasons is in fact worse than using your wealth to attract a foid. So keep huffing the copium.

 

[sub5ricemale]

Never. Betabuxxers can get foids technically.

I plan to pump and dump so that a foid cant make me betabuxx if i ascend

 

[rcnfive]

Failing to attract any foid even for monetary reasons is in fact worse than using your wealth to attract a foid. So keep huffing the copium.

simp

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

Nah, they have a romantic partner and there's a minimum looks level for that as well, if much lower than for geting casual hook-ups.

 

[Redbeard7]

Your logic is sound but the conclusion is false. Betabuxers aren't incels and neither are escortmaxers. Incel = involuntarily celibate = involuntary virgin (or involuntarily sexless for a sufficiently prolonged period of time). Some will say "any incel can visit a prostitute, so you're saying they're all volcels". This is also incorrect in my view: if you have severe depression or erectile dysfunction then you 1. won't have the will/desire to visit a prostitute 2. won't be able to perform even if you do.

To escape inceldom, one must escape severe depression and cure your erectile dysfunction. Self-defeating gynocentric and Hollywood romance narratives (like "it doesn't count if she doesn't unconditionally validate me") keep you severely depressed and prevent you from finding remedies.

 

[xstermin]

This is what you'd class as an oofy doofy