Serious An Increasing Majority Of Incels On This Site Are Mentalcels (Self Fullfilling Prophecy)

[BlkPillPres]

If one wants to engage in prostitution, that's their business. However, to call the rest of us volcels, because we personally do not ... is a bit over the top.

I would not say you are volcel for merely choosing not to do it, I'd say one is volcel based on WHY they choose not to do it

If you choose not to pay for sex for objective reasons (too expensive for you, too risky for you, etc) I can agree, many users have told me such and I could not argue against such points, I agreed with them

If you choose not to pay for sex for MORAL and/or EGO based reasons, YOU ARE VOLCEL

At that point you don't have any legitimate objective reasons for not paying for sex, just subjective emotionally based ones

Do you visit a barber, why don't you buy a cheap hair cutting set and watch some youtube videos on how to cut your hair, would not take long to learn with a few mirrors and a bit of time (I actually plan on doing this at some point, money is wasted on hair cuts, something simple you can do yourself)

Do you see the irony that you'd pay good money to get a simple cut (I doubt any of us I getting stylish intricate hair cuts), but you won't pay for access to something you definitely can't emulate yourself

Not dating a woman with 1000 body count is volcelism.

I think you should try reading again, actually my argument is in favor of prostitution not dating, so I don't even know where you got this from my post

My point is that if you won't date (because women are whores) and you won't pay for sex (because women are whores), then by simple logic and common sense you've restricted yourself to NEVER HAVING SEX, because those are the only options left, so its completely illogical to come online everyday to complain about never getting sex, when you know full well based on your own self imposed restrictions you've eliminated all options

If I am a flightless bird, and I create a rule that I won't leave an area within a 50 mile radius unless I can fly, then I have restricted myself to that 50 mile radius indefinitely, there's no two ways about it, its a volcel restriction to refuse to utilize all options available to you.

What if the last woman on the earth was a woman with 1000+ partners, and its just you are her stuck in some city alone, are you saying you would never fuck her?

 

[mybodyisrotting]

Is transportation going to be involved and whose primarily paying for it?

Is food going to be involved and who is primarily paying for it?

If sex is to take place who is primarily paying for contraception (condoms)?

Yes and I also spend time, which I could use instead to do some trading or overtime, which essentially means using any time to hang out with another human being is akin to paying for prostitution right

you really think any woman wants to go for a fucking walk, with an average/below average looking men to add to the ridiculousness, you've been watching too many movies, women go on walk dates with attractive men because they enjoy just being around the guy, dating for a normal man is about how you can entertain and excite her, you can't do that by just being around her like an attractive man can, so please stop with the delusions

Obviously I don't think it's ever gonna happen, hence the "if I had the chance".
This forum exists because the society lies to us that this kind of experience is achievable to every man.

False analogy, depends on how much one enjoys discussing that thing, depends on the criteria of enjoyment tooo, the enjoyment one gets out of a discussion cannot be compared to orgasms from sex, so it being a satisfying experience depends on why you are doing it

I'm genuinely puzzled by this part tbh, you've listed those points yet you can't see how one could apply similar ones to sex, is orgasm the only thing that matters in sex in your opinion?

Btw the whole topic makes me think, do you think that prostitution is all it takes to escape inceldom, and if yes, why are you here? (Don't take this the wrong way, I like your posts even if I sometimes disagree with what you say)

 

[Gangsta Rape]

How is it wasted if you get what you want

You could just jack off. A whore is barely improvement, why let exploit yourself for that?

I'm confused, if I buy food, I eat it, and it satisfies me, am I worse of before than when I was hungry simply because my money was lowered?

You need food to survive and those who make food not necessary hate you. It's not rational to care about what others think of you, but it's not rational to crave sex either (remove your sex drive and it will mean nothing to you). You can suppress both. How is your irrational desires (wanting to fuck whores) are above irrational desires of others (wanting "love", justice)?

I doubt these women are happy in this job

They are happy because they make 40x average man does, otherwise they would work ordinary job, nobody forcing them do this they just wanna be rich.

I think you are thinking of "E-Whores" and pornstars when you speak of rich whores

I calculated it in previous post. They are rich compared to average man.

 

[BlkPillPres]

which essentially means using any time to hang out with another human being is akin to paying for prostitution right

No it means every interaction is transactional in some sense, I've made a thread on this very thing:

Every Interaction Is A Transaction Of Resources | Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate

The way I look at it, everything is a resource, even looks, money is just the modern common unit of resource representation. Think of looks as a currency (L) and money also as a currency ($), L is just a currency that is worth more, but that's because its a very scarce resource that cannot be...

incels.is

Most people are just looking at reality with a narrow perspective, try and look at it objectively from and outside looking in perspective, at the end of the day it all comes down to resources, everything is a trade of resources, even time is a resource, and can be treated as a currency (T).

When you look at the English language it even reveals certain abstract qualities about the things we do

For example hanging out with people is also phrased as SPENDING TIME with them, do you know what the word SPEND means. Even time is a valuable resource, you just don't see it as much (most people tbh) because its been normalized to be treated as "a given", a trade not worth acknowledging, not everyones time is worth the same.

Obviously I don't think it's ever gonna happen, hence the "if I had the chance".

So I ask again, if you know its never going to happen, why have you placed such restrictions on yourself, knowing full well that it will keep you from ever getting sex

I'm genuinely puzzled by this part tbh, you've listed those points yet you can't see how one could apply similar ones to sex, is orgasm the only thing that matters in sex in your opinion?

No the orgasm isn't just what matters, else masturbation would be enough, its the act of sexual intercourse itself that enjoyable, having control and use of a woman's body is a very powerful feeling, it makes the orgasm in most cases stronger than one could achieve by masturbating

Btw the whole topic makes me think, do you think that prostitution is all it takes to escape inceldom

You'd still be an incel if you pay for sex since you can't attain sex through "conventional means", but at least you wouldn't be sexually starved, whats the point of keeping yourself eternally suicidal and sexually starved, that doesn't make any sense at all, its ridiculous, its like you guys are collecting sufferation points that you get to turn in "at the end of the game" for bonus rewards or something lol

If I cheat to win a game I'd still be a worse player than the guys I beat, but I'd still get the prize money/reward

 

[Hikikomori]

I would not say you are volcel for merely choosing not to do it, I'd say one is volcel based on WHY they choose not to do it

If you choose not to pay for sex for objective reasons (too expensive for you, too risky for you, etc) I can agree, many users have told me such and I could not argue against such points, I agreed with them

If you choose not to pay for sex for MORAL and/or EGO based reasons, YOU ARE VOLCEL

At that point you don't have any legitimate objective reasons for not paying for sex, just subjective emotionally based ones

Do you visit a barber, why don't you buy a cheap hair cutting set and watch some youtube videos on how to cut your hair, would not take long to learn with a few mirrors and a bit of time (I actually plan on doing this at some point, money is wasted on hair cuts, something simple you can do yourself)

Do you see the irony that you'd pay good money to get a simple cut (I doubt any of us I getting stylish intricate hair cuts), but you won't pay for access to something you definitely can't emulate yourself




I think you should try reading again, actually my argument is in favor of prostitution not dating, so I don't even know where you got this from my post

My point is that if you won't date (because women are whores) and you won't pay for sex (because women are whores), then by simple logic and common sense you've restricted yourself to NEVER HAVING SEX, because those are the only options left, so its completely illogical to come online everyday to complain about never getting sex, when you know full well based on your own self imposed restrictions you've eliminated all options

If I am a flightless bird, and I create a rule that I won't leave an area within a 50 mile radius unless I can fly, then I have restricted myself to that 50 mile radius indefinitely, there's no two ways about it, its a volcel restriction to refuse to utilize all options available to you.

What if the last woman on the earth was a woman with 1000+ partners, and its just you are her stuck in some city alone, are you saying you would never fuck her?

My reasons for not engaging in prostitution are real simple. For one, it's illegal where i live, secondly my paranoia is such, that i would run away from a prostitute, thinking the whole thing is a plot to get me locked up, and third, the little money i have, belongs to me, not to a whore.

 

[BlkPillPres]

You could just jack off. A whore is barely improvement, why let exploit yourself for that?

My Response:

I had a normie friend who I once told that porn would always be enough and I don't see why guys bother dating, I had only been masturbating for about a year or so at that point and it was great, couldn't see it "getting old" at all, he laughed and told me that I was wrong and I'd see why at some point, I told him it would never happen, HE WAS RIGHT

The thing is, you spend enough time jerking off watching people enjoy sex, and bit by bit over time you want to enjoy it yourself, and the act of masturbation slowly over months and months becomes less and less enjoyable, its still physically enjoyable, but not it isn't that great, the first time fucked a whore I came so hard by legs were shaking, you are kidding or ignorant if you think a fleshlight is going to match the experience of fucking a woman, talk about coping, you can't be serious

Take it from a guy who said to himself and others that without a doubt porn would be enough for the rest of his life, I learned how wrong I was first hand

>Inb4 - "just don't masturbate to porn, masturbate to nothingness, just close your eyes and jerk off to darkness" JFL

At that point why even bother masturbating, it would be a struggle to reach orgasm, I'd more likely just go get medicated and chemically castrated myself

You need food to survive and those who make food not necessary hate you. It's not rational to care about what others think of you, but it's not rational to crave sex either

Craving sex is biological, craving attention, validation, etc is psychological, one can change their mindset, you can't change your biology

remove your sex drive and it will mean nothing to you).

So like I said above, chemical castration?, there is no off switch for this shit

How is your irrational desires (wanting to fuck whores) are above irrational desires of others (wanting "love", justice)?

Like I said above:

Craving sex is biological, craving attention, validation, etc is psychological, one can change their mindset, you can't change your biology, that's the difference, you might as well compare physical hunger to one "hungering for attention" and argue that both are equally valid and suppressed lol.

They aren't the same thing, one can stop being an egoist, one can't stop wanting to fuck women, its biology, you place your hand on something hot you feel pain, there is no off switch for biology, can you fight against it, of course, but that's when I ask WHY?

To what end does one force themselves to suppress sexual desire, what is the end goal, what is the purpose?

I calculated it in previous post. They are rich compared to average man.

Yes and so are business owners, people whose megastores we buy goods from, people whose tech products, games, etc we buy, are you supposed to now stop enjoying those things because someone is making a huge profit from you enjoying it, if you do everything with others in mind so much, you'll just lose sight of whats good for you and what benefits you, you'll lose sight of yourself

This mindset is the perfect example of cutting off your nose to spite your face

My reasons for not engaging in prostitution are real simple. For one, it's illegal where i live, secondly my paranoia is such, that i would run away from a prostitute, thinking the whole thing is a plot to get me locked up, and third, the little money i have, belongs to me, not to a whore.

Well when you put it like that I can't disagree, if these were the kinds of arguments made against me then I wouldn't do much arguing, but all the BS arguments about "sex should be free, paying for it is cucked" and guys saying/acting like they are "above paying for sex" while ironically saying they are "subhuman" is illogical volcel BS and you know

If one can afford to pay for sex, and there isn't much risk, then why shouldn't they do it

Also legality didn't stop people from drinking alcohol in times of prohibition, legality hasn't stopped people from buying weed, it won't stop people from paying for sex either, especially since as humans men crave sex way more than alcohol or weed.

 

[StaroRavager]

I don’t completely agree with OP’s views on escortcelling but the amount of members who are adverse to the idea and the type of pushback they give is telling

 

[mybodyisrotting]

You'd still be an incel if you pay for sex since you can't attain sex through "conventional means", but at least you wouldn't be sexually starved, whats the point of keeping yourself eternally suicidal and sexually starved, that doesn't make any sense at all, its ridiculous, its like you guys are collecting sufferation points that you get to turn in "at the end of the game" for bonus rewards or something lol

But if refusing paid sex = volcel, does it not logically mean that having paid sex = not incel?

 

[BlkPillPres]

the amount of members who are adverse to the idea and the type of pushback they give is telling

It is telling indeed, and its the very point of these threads, to get these guys to oust themselves as female worshipping, ego obsessed fools

The worse part is their reasoning, that's my main point

Like I told @Hikikomori

I would not say you are volcel for merely choosing not to do it, I'd say one is volcel based on WHY they choose not to do it

If you choose not to pay for sex for objective reasons (too expensive for you, too risky for you, etc) I can agree, many users have told me such and I could not argue against such points, I agreed with them

If you choose not to pay for sex for MORAL and/or EGO based reasons, YOU ARE VOLCEL

At that point you don't have any legitimate objective reasons for not paying for sex, just subjective emotionally based ones

I'm not against refusing to pay for sex, I'm against the blue pilled mindset of valuing female validation as being more important than sex itself, that is LITERALLY FEMALE WORSHIP AND PEDESTALIZATION. A mindset like that cannot be allowed to spread, if you're going to refuse to pay for sex, at least be objective in your reasoning, not have emotional egotistical BS reasons like - "I'm above paying for sex, Chad doesn't pay for sex so why should I", and ironically in other threads they'll say - "its over, I'm so subhuman", these idiots don't see the contradiction in calling yourself incel and acting as if you are Chad, they can't even "pick a side" and be logically consistent

But if refusing paid sex = volcel, does it not logically mean that having paid sex means you're not incel?

Its not just refusing to pay for sex that makes you volcel, its WHY you refuse to pay for sex that makes you volcel

Also I see every aspect of ascension (dating, engagement, marriage, etc) AS PAYING FOR SEX, to me there is no distinction between dating and prostitution, other than one having to gamble, and one making a direct purchase

That's why I also say, if you won't date AND you won't pay for sex (no matter what), you are definitely volcel, because you are willingly placing yourself in a box or restrictions to where you have no options to access sexual resources

 

[mybodyisrotting]

Its not just refusing to pay for sex that makes you volcel, its WHY you refuse to pay for sex that makes you volcel

Also I see every aspect of ascension (dating, engagement, marriage, etc) AS PAYING FOR SEX, to me there is no distinction between dating and prostitution, other than one having to gamble, and one making a direct purchase

That's why I also say, if you won't date AND you won't pay for sex (no matter what), you are definitely volcel, because you are willingly placing yourself in a box or restrictions to where you have no options to access sexual resources

That doesn't really answer my question. Going by your logic, nobody who's able to pay for sex is an incel.

 

[littlemanhikicel]

Social abilities they never learned from anyone and now they’re socially isolated.

 

[Gangsta Rape]

Craving sex is biological, craving attention, validation, etc is psychological, one can change their mindset, you can't change your biology

Craving "love" is hardwired. Animals don't just fucking, they form families, just like humans in all cultures throughout history. You can't change that. LIke, having latest iphone or sportcar brings you attention, but nobody creates a forum over not having those because humans don't evolve to crave them. If you truly don't need "love" then you have mental ilness (I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it's actually good a thing).

So like I said above, chemical castration?, there is no off switch for this shit

Why not chemically castrate yourself? According to you, you don't have an ego and don't care about dignity. It would be rational for you to castrate yourself since you don't care about "love" and dignity. Why spending lots of time moneymaxing, sexually starving all this time, to move in poor country to fuck whores while you can just castrate yourself and then moneymax and keep all the money to yoursef?

Yes and so are business owners, people whose megastores we buy goods from, people whose tech products, games, etc we buy

They don't make money out of my misery.

 

[starystulejarz]

just go to the prostitute bro that sure will help you with missed emotional development and not having sex out of desire

 

[BlkPillPres]

Why not chemically castrate yourself?

Because I enjoy having sex and I actually have the option since I haven't placed ridiculous self imposed restrictions on myself

It would be rational for you to castrate yourself since you don't care about "love" and dignity.

Except I care about physical pleasure, and unlike you guys sex isn't about "love" or "dignity" to me, you are projecting your own reasonings onto me and then saying - "why won't you do X based on these reasons", I won't because they aren't my reasons, my reasons for sex is pleasure, the actual enjoyment of the act of sex. I haven't placed the restrictions on myself that you have, so sex is within reach to me, you and guys like yourself who will never date and will never pay for sex should probably chemically castrate yourself instead of coming online to complain about being sexually starved everyday, since sex is quite literally never going to be attainable based on your own restrictions, it makes sense to castrate yourself in that case since all that's left for you is endless suffering

To make my point more clear, were both in an ice cream store, I would like to eat ice cream period (any flavor) but I prefer pistachio, you will only eat pistachio flavor and its your favorite, we both find out there's no pistachio left, in fact the only flavor sold at that store is vanilla

Me: "Guess I'll just take vanilla then"

You: "You should just forget about buying ice cream, don't bother there's no pistachio"

I don't have the same self imposed restrictions as you do, I can eat whatever flavor I want, you are projecting your limitations onto me

Its you guys that shouldn't bother buying ice cream at that store, I have no problem eating vanilla

Castration is only a good option to those who have resigned themselves to a life of endless sexual frustration, you guys are truly masochistic lol

you can just castrate yourself and then moneymax and keep all the money to yoursef?

To what end, what will I do with that money, the only thing in life I feel like I'm missing out on is fucking, and best case fucking a petite 10/10 asian chick, I don't care about "traveling the world" and capturing memorable pictures to show off on facebook about how "worldly" and "well traveled" I am, I just want to fuck and have access to food, shelter and entertainment, that's it. So if I wealthmax, by default I'll have access to food, shelter and entertainment, I have access to that right now in sufficient amounts, the only thing I'm missing that I want to do, is related to sex, maybe after "having my fill" I'll get tired of that too and stop escortceling (likely will), but right now sex is pretty much at the top of the list (well under money)

They don't make money out of my misery.

I don't care how one makes their money, I only care if that interaction benefits me

Like I told you already:

if you do everything with others in mind so much, you'll just lose sight of whats good for you and what benefits you, you'll lose sight of yourself

This mindset is the perfect example of cutting off your nose to spite your face

What is more important to you?

1. Your enemy losing
2. You winning

Both are not essentially the same thing, people who prefer to see others lose rather than themselves win will have a very self destructive lifestyle, and will do things that are too their own detriment just to ruin their enemies life a little bit, its a foolish way to live, I do what benefits me regardless of how it benefits others

just go to the prostitute bro that sure will help you with missed emotional development and not having sex out of desire

1. Ironically this "emotional development" is only necessary for one to date and interact with women, so if you just want to pay for sex, then there's no reason to gain the "emotional development" you missed out on, so I don't get your point here. I'm not trying to ascend ever so I won't need any "emotional development"

2. I don't get the last part of "not having sex out of desire", I don't understand the sentence nor do I get how its a bad thing, please explain

 

[Gangsta Rape]

Except I care about physical pleasure

After you castrate yourself you will always feel like you just had sex all the time, never craving physical pleasure again, just that "aftersex" feel forever, no slaving away for years just to fuck some noodlewhore, no money wasted.

I haven't placed the restrictions on myself

You actually did. "I will not castrate myself, I will slave away for years just for a whiff of a pussy."

you and guys like yourself who will never date and will never pay for sex should probably chemically castrate yourself

Won't help since we're normal human beings who are hardwired to crave "love" and justice.

To make my point more clear, were both in an ice cream store, I would like to eat ice cream period (any flavor) but I prefer pistachio, you will only eat pistachio flavor and its your favorite, we both find out there's no pistachio left, in fact the only flavor sold at that store is vanilla

Me: "Guess I'll just take vanilla then"

You: "You should just forget about buying ice cream, don't bother there's no pistachio"

Bad analogy, vanilla ice cream don't hate you and don't living lavish lifestyle by exploiting you unlike whores.

maybe after "having my fill" I'll get tired of that too and stop escortceling (likely will)

You can reach this afterwhorefucking state now by castrating yourself.

 

[BlkPillPres]

You can reach this afterwhorefucking state now by castrating yourself.

I hope you see the irony in the fact that the people who would say that paying for sex is cucked would advocate for a man castrating himself (quite literally the highest form of self cucking imaginable)

You actually did. "I will not castrate myself, I will slave away for years just for a whiff of a pussy."

No need for exaggerations - "I will not castrate myself, I will work and build wealth like every other human on this planet, and rather than invest my resources into a single woman and children I'll spend it to fuck cheap whores"

I don't see whats wrong with that, at the end of the day all humans are pretty much "slaving away for years", I'm just investing those resources into things that are less of a gamble, I don't know if I'll have a whore daughter, a faggot son, a cheating wife, I could get all three, but when I pay a whore for sex, I get sex, its as simple as that, why spend on a gamble when you can spend on a guarantee

Would you be making your slaving away argument towards a user who is trying to wealthmaxx so they can get surgeries to improve their looks and try to ascend, they'd literally be slaving away ON A GAMBLE, and even if they get a GF there's no guarantee she won't cheat or leave them, ascension is just one gamble after next, a series of never ending games

"will she marry me"
"is the baby even mines"
"will she divorce me and take 50% of my wealth"

Are you as opposed to ascension as you are to prostitution?

If not I hope you see the extreme irony in that

A man spending money on a guarantee and you exaggerate about getting a "whiff of a pussy"

A man literally gambling with the actual possibility that may LITERALLY ONLY GET A WHIFF, and guys like you don't make such statements now do you

Is a gamble seriously money better spent to you than a guarantee?

Bad analogy, vanilla ice cream don't hate you and don't living lavish lifestyle by exploiting you unlike whores.

Like I keep telling you and you keep ignoring, as though you are purposefully avoiding the argument:

if you do everything with others in mind so much, you'll just lose sight of whats good for you and what benefits you, you'll lose sight of yourself

This mindset is the perfect example of cutting off your nose to spite your face

I'll ask again:

What is more important to you?

1. Your enemy losing
2. You winning

Both are not essentially the same thing, people who prefer to see others lose rather than themselves win will have a very self destructive lifestyle, and will do things that are too their own detriment just to ruin their enemies life a little bit, its a foolish way to live, I do what benefits me regardless of how it benefits others

 

[Gangsta Rape]

I hope you see the irony in the fact that the people who would say that paying for sex is cucked would advocate for a man castrating himself (quite literally the highest form of self cucking imaginable)

You're egoless so cucking yourself shouldn't concern you. And how is this cucked, it's not like you lose anything by castrating yourself. What's actually cucked is making your enemies rich.

I don't see whats wrong with that, at the end of the day all humans are pretty much "slaving away for years", I'm just investing those resources into things that are less of a gamble

Well, you can work less if you give up on foids.

Would you be making your slaving away argument towards a user who is trying to wealthmaxx so they can get surgeries to improve their looks and try to ascend, they'd literally be slaving away ON A GAMBLE, and even if they get a GF there's no guarantee she won't cheat or leave them, ascension is just one gamble after next, a series of never ending games

Both is cuckoldry, there is no good, non-cucked solution to this problem in 2019, better to just give up on foids altogether.

if you do everything with others in mind so much, you'll just lose sight of whats good for you and what benefits you, you'll lose sight of yourself

This mindset is the perfect example of cutting off your nose to spite your face

I'll ask again:

What is more important to you?

1. Your enemy losing
2. You winning

You have given examples of corporations, video game developers, these people actually slave away just to please me and they don't hate me so it's okay to buy their products, you're not cucking yourself here at all. Whores just ldar and sell something that is free for 55% of people for enormous price. That's exploitation, I'm not going to make them win. Of course they'll win anyway because of paypigs, but at least it's not me who made them win. I will not win much by paying them anyway, because I crave companionship and because I can just jack off, so why fund their life of luxury?

I do what benefits me regardless of how it benefits others

Like I said castration would give you the same results without benefeting whores at all, it's free shortcut.

 

[Deleted member 12355]

The "through tinder" part needs to be removed because that is a huge limiting factor, basically only 6/10 men can be volcel at that point and its getting worse and worse, as you yourself said: "The sexual market is incredibly skewed thanks to modernity"

So with your criteria for volceldom, as time goes on, less and less men would be volcel, just by virture of failing on tinder

Come on dude, you know that makes no sense

there's no other way to quantifiably say that someone "can ascend" than by looking at how well they fare on Tinder, which is why it's the only criteria that makes any sense. What you think someone can or can't do irl is irrelevant as there are so many different variables that come into play, i.e. social circle, betabuxxing, autism etc. whereas with Tinder it's very simple. Does he receive enough matches or not? If he doesn't then accusing that person of being a volcel seems purely speculative inferred on how you think they do irl

 

[SlayerSlayer]

Jesus Christ, this is the lowest IQ post I've read from you to date. It's a bit obvious if you're on this site you're obviously too fucking ugly to participate in the game.

When people say they won't take out an average woman out on a date, it's because they already know it's a lost cause. The best a genetically inferior male can do is pull left wing cuck game, maybe pull one guilt trip coffee date, but 100% of the time it will lead to ghosting or the friend-zone, and not even a kiss or hand-holding.

I don't know why you are arguing for whores and sex. They way everyone on earth processes non-platonic love and affection is not a binary one-size-fits-all solution. It seems like you want it to be this way. It so happens that for many people here, whores are a cheap, filthy substitute for such a thing. You can't pay a whore to love you.

 

[ordinaryotaku]

A lot of the users on this site seem to have deeply internalized self hatred and are essentially masochists in the way they live their lives, its as if in some way they get off on creating and imposing mental restrictions on themselves that deny them success and pleasure in life, and its like they are unaware of what they are doing to themselves, like its subconscious

It's not a self fulfilling prophecy if it's already happening without you controlling it.

The rulesets these men have placed on themselves means that they will remain sexually starved permavirgins, yet they come online everyday to complain about not getting sex, knowing full well the rulesets they restrict themselves by is what is actually keeping sex outside of their reach, it makes no sense to complain about a self imposed handicap, but its like they have some kind of mental block keeping them from making that connection and removing said handicap

Not really. If the non fakecels became very less bleak, that wouldn't change anything at all.

I see a lot of users speaking as if they would never pay for sex due to moral or ego based reasons ON TOP OF saying/alluding to that they would never date either because "I would never take a whore out on a date", they are never specific about what their criteria of a whore is, as far as I'm concerned all women today are whores, you aren't going to find any virgins anymore so at the end of the day you are paying for used goods.

I get if you're complaining about the second part, if you don't take a girl on a date and you have the option to, you're a volcel. Paying for sex though, doesn't make you any less incel.

I once asked a user who said he'd refuse to pay for sex because he doesn't get validation, if he would pay for dates (to point out the obvious irony of paying to gamble rather than paying for a guarantee)

His response was that he would not date modern women either because of how they are today, yet complained as if him never having sex isn't something he imposed on himself

Modern women are a problem, and if you're a sub-6 male, "dating" in the dating pool for YOU is just dine and dashers, basically foids who will go on a "date" with you, but only because they're going to be eating some food that isn't on them. Don't expect a reply the next day. If anyone was more positive about this type of situation, it wouldn't stop it from happening.

SO LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT

YOU WON'T PAY A WHORE FOR SEX
YOU WON'T TAKE AN AVERAGE WOMAN OUT ON A DATE
YOU LITERALLY EXPECT WOMEN TO JUST WALK UP TO YOU AND FUCK YOU (because chad gets to do that)

YET YOU AREN'T VOLCEL?

Like again, the first part doesn't make you any less incel. Literally ANYONE can pay for sex unless you look like the elephant man. Second part I would, but I would take precaution. Third part, I don't, because I'm not Chad. I don't expect anything, because even if I'm positive about it (like I was for YEARS before being involved in incel circles), the scenario never goes in my favor. At all.

A lot of this sites users are worse than feminists when it comes to logic (in some cases) and that's a feat in of itself. They have all these weird mentalcel self imposed restrictions that there is no way out of, the rules are purposefully set so that they will never get anything they want so that they can endlessly complain, its set so that they just have to remain a sexually starved permavirgin, these guys aren't operating on logic.

A lot of these guys speak as though women are literally just supposed to fall out of the sky onto their cock, some of these guys prove the "entitlement" meme feminists keep peddling around about incels, like they are larps doing it on purpose to spread a false narrative

I will never understand how someone gets to this point and can't be introspective enough to realize that they have locked themselves in a cage and they are holding the key, if you won't date, and you won't pay for sex, then you've closed off any oppurtunity to ever get sex, so why are you now complaining that you can't get sex, its makes no sense at all, its so confusing.

I mean, women do literally fall out of the sky for Chad's cock, but like again, we're not expecting anything except rejection because it's been happening for YEARS, YEARS before we joined incel circles, YEARS before we became negative, YEARS before we took the blackpill, etc etc. No matter how positive we are about it and no matter our ambitions, it literally won't happen.

I usually like your threads but this one is on the lower side of IQ.

 

[Wolfgang Grimmer]

Most men are betabux in a way or another. They're paying for dates or betabuxing a wife. I watched a video yesterday of a attractive guy and his 3 exes. All of them were saying that he used to pay for dates. A guy who mogs all 3 of the girls in question is paying for dates. Do you really think that the average guy isn't?


So yeah, most men are definitely paying in a way or another. Even the gl ones. Very few man can make a girl come diretcly to his house just to fuck him without a proper date.

 

[SuperPerfectCel]

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOUR STANDARDS ARE WHEN NO WOMAN WOULD FUCK YOU ANYWAY.

Fucking Christ, your goddamn mindset has no bearing on whether you are incel or not. Your incel status is determined purely by how many wonen would fuck you. If the count is zero you are incel. Doesn't matter what else you say or think.

Go to incels.co and see threads with IT tier logic, it is truly over.

YOU LITERALLY EXPECT WOMEN TO JUST WALK UP TO YOU AND FUCK YOU (because chad gets to do that)

YET YOU AREN'T VOLCEL?

If you are literally too neurologically retarded to be able to navigate the typical courtship requirements for normie men then waiting for pussy is legit all you can do.

The brain can be just as fucked up as any other part of the body and it not working doesn't make someone volcel.

A lot of these guys speak as though women are literally just supposed to fall out of the sky onto their cock, some of these guys prove the "entitlement" meme feminists keep peddling around about incels, like they are larps doing it on purpose to spread a false narrative

Feminists get cock for doing literally nothing, and they offer their pussies up to Chad just because he's there, they have no business complaining about anyone else feeling entitled to anything sexual.

60% of the human population gets sex for nothing (100% of women and 20% of men) yet the ugliest dumbest motherfuckers of the remaining 40% get called "entitled" just because they're mad about being told to jump through 100 hoops just for a miniscule chance at sex.

 

[Salustio]

Their whole argument is “Chad get X, then I deserve the same”. “Chad can have free sex, then paying whores is cuckery”.

I’m done arguing about what Chad is supposed to do. I suggest you to end this virtual crudade because no-one will listen to you.

Most incels take Chad as a parameter, their arguing is all about what their ideal Chad can get for free in life.

It’s bullshit, why on earth do I have to constantly comprare myself to an abstract idea of a Chad?

 

[wizardcel]

This is the same argument that dating coaches use to justify why their clients are not getting pussy despite trying their best. It's always your fault, it's because you haven't done this or that you are not getting laid. It's all in your head, you've imposed this limitation on yourself. Just get out there, fuck a hooker and ask women out lol. I'm 30 years old; I have heard this same garbage before, in fact, since my early 20s. I'm surprised that such a view is still being discussed and promoted, especially on a forum like this.

 

[Murdoch89]

I could never ask them out any more, I'm just here to vent my fanatical hatred of them

 

[Invalidusername]

If you have had sex, enjoyable sex, you'd understand why what you're saying here is complete Bs, it can't even be compared

Eh, subjective.

Some people may prefer to stimulate their penis through porn (bc conveniency, or whatever) , others may prefer to stimulate through prostitution (bc sex, or whatever) .

It's all ultimately coping with loneliness, whilst neither of those activities actually cures loneliness.

And loneliness is pretty much the core issue for most people here, or even irl.

 

[KingOfRome]

I think OP is mostly right, though once you lose your virginity to a bona fide hooker (at which point it's mainly about getting your rite of passage over with, even if it is through a loophole), it's mainly about the validation as a human being. Depending on where you live, an escort's services might not even be worth the time and money, and the risk if you're in an incelphobic hellscape like the United States, where even complimenting a femoid's hair as a sub5 male can get you charged with sexual harassment, or at least a visit from Human Resources if you're stupid enough to talk to people at work as an incel.

 

[Adûnâi]

YOU WON'T TAKE AN AVERAGE WOMAN OUT ON A DATE

Dating is fucking gay. I have never been tested as some mental health patient, but come on, I just can't understand why a man would ever talk to a woman to have sex.

You have sex when you get rich and can give the father of your bride a lot of pigs and a cow.

Everything else is gay AF. Anarcho-primitivist posadist revolution now.

 

[slaaneshcel]

'Mentalcels" cries the man who throws his money at whores but pretends to be better than the bluepilled cucks he speaks out against.

 

[AlwaysLawRoute]

I can't even get a date so this doesn't apply to me,and yes I've tried approaching but only faced rejection and humiliation.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Like I said castration would give you the same results without benefeting whores at all, it's free shortcut.

Yes, killing your testosterone production as a man is a free shortcut to bad health, I don't even want to think about the unintended side effects of such a thing, I already don't even build muscle all that fast now, imagine how my health will go down once I stop producing testosterone at my normal rates

Are you serious about this, I don't think you've thought this through, you think your libido is just going to stop like magic and that's the end of it, nothing else bad happens, nothing is ever that simple. The side effects I've heard of are shit like reduced bone density, increase in weight gain, possibility of osteoporosis (a bone disease)

Like come on dude, its not worth it

How about this, you first, you go first, send my medical documents proving you've done it, then report to me about how great it is a year in, I guarantee you will come off of the drugs by then if not before when you start to feel the changes in your body, its ridiculous for someone who already has incel tier genetics, to destroy their libido, which is connected to sex hormones, which is connected to basically everything related to your health

Lets say I do go through with it, I get no side effects, my libido is completely killed

WHAT THEN?

What do I do, let me guess - "hobbies, video games?"

I got tired of that shit years ago, it no longer really interests me, the interest I have with sex is not only physical, its because its something I haven't experienced fully, an act I haven't explored yet, while when it comes to games I've played so many they almost become a blur.

Even if my libido did die, I'd still be thinking about sex, I just wouldn't be aroused anymore

You can kill the want, but you can't kill "the want to want", you can kill your sexual arousal, but you can't kill your memories of arousal and orgasms, even if you don't crave it anymore, you'll still remember how good it felt, how enjoyable it was, and you'll want to feel it again

You can kill your want, but not "the want to want"

 

[ScornedStoic]

Incredibly low IQ as usual

 

[Gangsta Rape]

I already don't even build muscle all that fast now

The side effects I've heard of are shit like reduced bone density, increase in weight gain, possibility of osteoporosis (a bone disease)

Eunuchs live longer. All this "testosterone makes you healthy" is most likely broscience created by the same egomaniacs ("muh dick makes me real man") who promote nofap and I don't understand why egoless person would care about being slightly overweight or weak. Also, the alternative is to slave away for years just to make some whore rich.

How about this, you first, you go first, send my medical documents proving you've done it, then report to me about how great it is a year in

I didn't claimed to be egoless and I didn't claimed that I don't need companionship. If I castrate myself I would still crave for companionship and the sex need can easily be satisfied with fap. Also, vasectomy is banned in my country, so castration is probably too.

Even if my libido did die, I'd still be thinking about sex, I just wouldn't be aroused anymore

I become completely disinterested in sex after fap. I guess castratos are always like that.

WHAT THEN?

What do I do, let me guess - "hobbies, video games?"

I got tired of that shit years ago, it no longer really interests me, the interest I have with sex is not only physical

I guess that's depression, I have this too, but it's because of realization that I would be incel forever and because of injustice. I don't understand how this can happen to egoless person who don't need companionship and have all his needs satisfied.

 

[ShyManlet]

All women are whores to chad. When you learn that, there is no point in even bothering to ascend.

I noticed that a lot of cucks are also whores for chad. Jfl its truly over..,

 

[blond_elf_bard]

A lot of the users on this site seem to have deeply internalized self hatred and are essentially masochists in the way they live their lives, its as if in some way they get off on creating and imposing mental restrictions on themselves that deny them success and pleasure in life, and its like they are unaware of what they are doing to themselves, like its subconscious

The rulesets these men have placed on themselves means that they will remain sexually starved permavirgins, yet they come online everyday to complain about not getting sex, knowing full well the rulesets they restrict themselves by is what is actually keeping sex outside of their reach, it makes no sense to complain about a self imposed handicap, but its like they have some kind of mental block keeping them from making that connection and removing said handicap

I see a lot of users speaking as if they would never pay for sex due to moral or ego based reasons ON TOP OF saying/alluding to that they would never date either because "I would never take a whore out on a date", they are never specific about what their criteria of a whore is, as far as I'm concerned all women today are whores, you aren't going to find any virgins anymore so at the end of the day you are paying for used goods.

I once asked a user who said he'd refuse to pay for sex because he doesn't get validation, if he would pay for dates (to point out the obvious irony of paying to gamble rather than paying for a guarantee)

His response was that he would not date modern women either because of how they are today, yet complained as if him never having sex isn't something he imposed on himself

SO LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT

YOU WON'T PAY A WHORE FOR SEX
YOU WON'T TAKE AN AVERAGE WOMAN OUT ON A DATE
YOU LITERALLY EXPECT WOMEN TO JUST WALK UP TO YOU AND FUCK YOU (because chad gets to do that)

YET YOU AREN'T VOLCEL?

That is the very definition of a self fulfilling prophecy

A lot of this sites users are worse than feminists when it comes to logic (in some cases) and that's a feat in of itself. They have all these weird mentalcel self imposed restrictions that there is no way out of, the rules are purposefully set so that they will never get anything they want so that they can endlessly complain, its set so that they just have to remain a sexually starved permavirgin, these guys aren't operating on logic.

A lot of these guys speak as though women are literally just supposed to fall out of the sky onto their cock, some of these guys prove the "entitlement" meme feminists keep peddling around about incels, like they are larps doing it on purpose to spread a false narrative

I will never understand how someone gets to this point and can't be introspective enough to realize that they have locked themselves in a cage and they are holding the key, if you won't date, and you won't pay for sex, then you've closed off any oppurtunity to ever get sex, so why are you now complaining that you can't get sex, its makes no sense at all, its so confusing.

I think most of us are mentalcels

 

[GetFucked]

most people on this site are larping, especially the Low T animefag attention whores

 

[johnnyb]

why would I date a westernized skank when I can take plane ticket to SEA as a white man

 

[ShyManlet]

why would I date a westernized skank when I can take plane ticket to SEA as a white man

even a 5/5 white foid looks better than the average noodleskank..on top of that,
asian woman are the most selfish, calculative and demanding
from all the horror stories I read about afwm couples
wifing up a noodlefoid seems like the worst thing a man can do

 

[VirginAutistManlet]

>Muh Self Fullfilling Prophecy


WHAT YOU TELL YOURSELF HAS NO BEARING ON WHETHER OR NOT WOMEN FIND YOU WORTHY OF SEX OR RELATIONSHIPS

 

[Murdoch89]

Dating is fucking gay. I have never been tested as some mental health patient, but come on, I just can't understand why a man would ever talk to a woman to have sex.

You have sex when you get rich and can give the father of your bride a lot of pigs and a cow.

Everything else is gay AF. Anarcho-primitivist posadist revolution now.

I like the anarcho primitivist idea boyo, fuck civilisation and technology

 

[BlkPillPres]

>Muh Self Fullfilling Prophecy


WHAT YOU TELL YOURSELF HAS NO BEARING ON WHETHER OR NOT WOMEN FIND YOU WORTHY OF SEX OR RELATIONSHIPS

>Muh Did Not Take The Time To Properly Read

 

[johnnyb]

wifing up a noodlefoid seems like the worst thing a man can do

why would anyone marry? you sound bluepilled as fuck. why would I go out of my way courting a white western skank for the hopes of pussy when i can take flight over to SEA and fuck on first or second day knowing a bitch without having to go through a bunch of elaborate ritualistic dating scenarios just for the hopes I MIGHT get some ass? it is common to date a western whore for half a year before getting sex from her. why would i go through all this when I can fuck a submissive Asian whore slaving after my white cock?

 

[ShyManlet]

why would anyone marry? you sound bluepilled as fuck. why would I go out of my way courting a white western skank for the hopes of pussy when i can take flight over to SEA and fuck on first or second day knowing a bitch without having to go through a bunch of elaborate ritualistic dating scenarios just for the hopes I MIGHT get some ass? it is common to date a western whore for half a year before getting sex from her. why would i go through all this when I can fuck a submissive Asian whore slaving after my white cock?

If you can do that than i think you might be a fakecel dude..
And you better hurry cos the competition is getting worse by the day even in sea

 

[johnnyb]

If you can do that than i think you might be a fakecel dude..
And you better hurry cos the competition is getting worse by the day even in sea

don't think being able to get pussy by flying literally across the world to a 3rd world shit hole equals im a fakecel, but yes, I agree that the competition is getting higher even in these places and the clock is ticking. im going as fast as I can. I believe I can do this year, before 2020.

 

[Barry]

High IQ OP to be honest

it's a shame that low iq coping fakecels have turned this into a thread about how you're always paying for sex unless you're chad. (low IQ.)

The majority of people on this site are absolutely mentalcels and I'd go further and say they're fakecels.

They haven't ever approached a girl. They haven't ever tried to looksmaxx or moneymaxx or statusmaxx. They don't want to put in any effort and would rather pretend that the world is out to get them because they don't live a Dan Bilzerian life as though it's owed to them.

I routinely get called a LARPer and an IT infiltrator on this site for pointing out the absolute bullshit that comes from lazy teenager LDARers who have no real world experience though, so what do I know

 

[FFXIcel]

larps doing it on purpose to spread a false narrative

can't be introspective

These quotes here really have validity.
There is a form of argument multiple times a day about who's true, fake, LARP, jealous normies, prudes, trolls, etc.
The crime that mostly concerns me is distorting blackpill in such a dilusional fashion that it just comes out as immature, entitlement, misleading etc.
Without introspect, several years of suffering, and a real understanding the core of your inceldom. There is potential, because this is a voyeurism sensitive forum, that your inability to articulate, awareness / understand your limits. You are just being counter productive.
It's not a good idea to volunteer to be a mentalcel that spirals out of control out of convenience, and then misrepresent the forum and express yourself in such a shitty way to further your own agenda.

Expressing this shit is difficult I must say, not everyone has sufficient practice, but lack of discretion just brings the wrong kind of attention to people with the genuine plight.

So ya... False narratives, or another thing to add is that it's actually impossible for everyone to all agree with every radical, angry, hyper emotional post ever made on here. Because from a political perspective it's pretty fucking retarded how incels as a whole are being perceived.

 

[BlkPillPres]

The majority of people on this site are absolutely mentalcels and I'd go further and say they're fakecels.

They haven't ever approached a girl. They haven't ever tried to looksmaxx or moneymaxx or statusmaxx. They don't want to put in any effort and would rather pretend that the world is out to get them because they don't live a Dan Bilzerian life as though it's owed to them.

I've observed the same thing, a lot of these guys are fakecels who have used mental gymanstics to convince themselves that they are incel, no actual incel would have such huge egos, it would have already been destroyed by years of countless approaching and failure, their mindset does not reflect that of an incel, it reflects that of an entitled normie