Serious An Increasing Majority Of Incels On This Site Are Mentalcels (Self Fullfilling Prophecy)

[Hikikomori]

Perhaps you should write a novel on how wonderful prostitution is, AKA transfer of wealth from men to women.

Meanwhile, chad is pounding away at that pussy for FREE, while you hand over your wallet.

How you don't see this as being cucked, is beyond me at this point.

 

[turbocuckcel_7000]

What do you do after whores get old?

 

[real truecel]

Jesus someone spent a year on this forum to make a believable account just to try to force cuck culture here.

 

[Gangsta Rape]

even looks are a currency

Looks is not currency. Currency can be wasted, you can buy something with it. When chad gets a foid because of his looks he doesn't waste anything, he gets her for free and she is attracted to him from the get go.

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

One mod even told me just wanting to have sex with a woman is female worship, so we all worship women by default, a key thing you'll see repeating among these idiots is the use of broad all encompassing personal definitions, as a cope to validate their own worship of women, they make it as broad as possible in their minds so all men fall under it, so they don't feel bad for doing it, they don't use specific objective definitions, everything they argue about revolves around personal definitions

For a start you could elaborate on some of your baseless core assumptions instead of larping as monsieur le rational male. JFL.

 

[Route3]

What do you do after whores get old?

 

[quinn24]

it's not ascension unless you're fucking a female that is attracted to you

otherwise you could argue that everyone is a volcel/fakecel because they could save up money to see a prostitute which would be retarded

why did you bring up the betabuxxing nonsense at all, you might as well just advocate moneymaxxing and fucking hookers

 

[Hikikomori]

I think OP ran out of oxygen ... or a hooker came over and he's got his wallet out, giving her his hard earned cash for some used up roast beef.

 

[The End]

Isn't it common that the more popular something becomes the more poseurs join in? I say let 'em have it. They are depressed, angry, and ugly so they use the incel label as a catch-all for their misery, self hatred, and misogyny.

I don't get the holier-than-thou attitude about half of the forum holds, but who am I to question their self-identity? A lot of people here think I'm shit because I celebrate degeneracy, but to me degeneracy opens up more opportunities for sex so it makes sense.

I am a horny piece of shit, and I still really really really want sex and would fuck about anything. Does that make me more incel-ish than others? Who cares! Incel is a label of shame, not something to covet.

 

[Hikikomori]

Nah he's just typing out his next novella probably

LOL, steam rolling off his keyboard, as the keys reach boiling point.

 

[mybodyisrotting]

Is refusal to have gay sex a sign of volceldom as well?
Having some standards does not mean that you're volcel. What's the point of having sex if you'd be disgusted by it?

 

[BlkPillPres]

Well you could ration it as a compromise. Your lack of nuance is astonishing.

to ration the food you are still buying it right?, I never said there would or wouldn't be rationing, I said you'd still buy it, so you are coming out of nowhere with this, you are still buying the food if you are rationing it, which is my point, you buying the food doesn't mean you think its worth its current price, its just all that's available

I don't see how talking about potenial systemic solutions or theory in general makes you an idiot, but okay. Systems change, rules change. With your cuck mentality we would still be in the stone ages.

I don't actually see anyone discussing anything "potential", they are stating things as a fact, as if we got all incels to stop paying for sex it would magically reduce the established worth of female sex, it wouldn't make a dent in that value.

You low key defended the idea that women should be saved over men, and continue to defend the idea that women should be allowed to profit from sex, what else am I supposed to take from it? You're defending the entire culture of putting women up on a pedestal where they're granted lives of protection and luxury at the expense of men, whom they treat as slaves. That is ultimately the mentality of a cuck.

JFL I'm done dude, I've been got, you can stop now, its obvious you've been trolling me and baiting me to argue this whole time, you clearly aren't serious

 

[Deleted member 17811]

All women are whores to chad. When you learn that, there is no point in even bothering to ascend.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Is refusal to have gay sex a sign of volceldom as well?

Is having sex with a woman who isn't attracted to you the same as having sex with a man?, are you guys seriously so ego obsessed, that not having your ego stroked in heterosexual sex, is the same has having homosexual sex?

You have to see how ridiculous that comparison is

Having some standards does not mean that you're volcel. What's the point of having sex if you'd be disgusted by it?

Having unrealistic standards does mean that you are volcel

Why are you disgusted by the idea that a woman doesn't like you?

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

There is a difference between fully engaging in a broken system and supporting it to a bare minimum to a degree necessary for your survival or not? Just mean it's not all black and white.

I don't actually see anyone discussing anything "potential", they are stating things as a fact, as if we got all incels to stop paying for sex it would magically reduce the established worth of female sex, it wouldn't make a dent in that value.

Well times can change as I said, but it's hard to decide for me who is lower IQ. Those who genuinly believe it would happen tomorrow or you assuming people do this, simply because they don't use the correct tense out of convienience or sth.

 

[BlkPillPres]

I don't get the holier-than-thou attitude about half of the forum holds, but who am I to question their self-identity? A lot of people here think I'm shit because I celebrate degeneracy, but to me degeneracy opens up more opportunities for sex so it makes sense.

Moralfags are the most illogical group on the planet, which I why I always say the #1 indicator of someone being blue pilled is them believing that morality is objective, the holier than thou mindset comes from their ego, these idiots literally don't see the contradiction in referring to yourself as an INCEL and yet saying "I AM ABOVE DOING X", if you are the lowest of the low you aren't above anything really.

All women are whores to chad. When you learn that, there is no point in even bothering to ascend.

True

Looks is not currency. Currency can be wasted, you can buy something with it. When chad gets a foid because of his looks he doesn't waste anything, he gets her for free and she is attracted to him from the get go.

Currencies can be converted into assets, assets don't decrease in their value per se, more like the worth of said asset changes over time

Your looks does decrease over time, its a depreciating asset, you are looking at it as "spending" in the conventional sense, think of it like having a high "credit score"

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

Your looks does decrease over time, its a depreciating asset, you are looking at it as "spending" in the conventional sense, think of it like having a high "credit score"

Ye time not fucking other people.

 

[mybodyisrotting]

Is having sex with a woman who isn't attracted to you the same as having sex with a man?, are you guys seriously so ego obsessed, that not having your ego stroked in heterosexual sex, is the same has having homosexual sex?

You have to see how ridiculous that comparison is



Having unrealistic standards does mean that you are volcel

Why are you disgusted by the idea that a woman doesn't like you?

I'm trying to make a point that having standards is normal, and that you'd have to estabilish a logically consistent line of what "unrealistic" means. Whether it's because of social conditioning, legal or personal reasons, being turned off by prostitution seems pretty normal to me, just like being disgusted by the prospect of having gay sex.

 

[BlkPillPres]

or you assuming people do this, simply because they don't use the correct tense out of convienience or sth.

Its has nothing to do with tense, are you dense?

Example:

Yes, the fact is, they aren't worth mens resources. They THINK they're worth mens resources, because people like OP are more than willing to hand the resources over to them, in exchange for something that SHOULD be free.

We are where we are, because people like OP here ... keep propping whores up with resources. As long as men are giving their resources to females ... we are forever stuck in this loop.

Read, I receive many statements like this from idiots arguing against prostitution (that post was from this very thread), does this have anything to do with using the "wrong tense", this is a clear and straight forward statement, where one is asserting that by men like me paying for sex, we are somehow affecting this giant market and the values therein, as if we stopped it would make a difference.

Dude is literally saying that incels paying for sex is determining the worth of women's bodies, that worth has been pre-established centuries ago

being turned off by prostitution seems pretty normal to me, just like being disgusted by the prospect of having gay sex.

Ok so would you date the average woman today, would you take on the expenses required to date and woo a woman into POSSIBLY having sex with you?

If your answer is yes, please see the irony in what you are saying

If your answer is no, then you literally are the kind of guy I'm talking about in this thread who has self imposed restrictions that make it so that they can never get laid:

SO LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT

YOU WON'T PAY A WHORE FOR SEX
YOU WON'T TAKE AN AVERAGE WOMAN OUT ON A DATE
YOU LITERALLY EXPECT WOMEN TO JUST WALK UP TO YOU AND FUCK YOU (because chad gets to do that)

YET YOU AREN'T VOLCEL?

That is the very definition of a self fulfilling prophecy

 

[Hikikomori]

Having unrealistic standards does mean that you are volcel

So, because i refuse to provide women with resources, for the natural act of sex, my standards are too high ? What kind of cuckery is that ? You are in fact saying that women should be paid, to do what we do for free ...

 

[Gangsta Rape]

Your looks does decrease over time, its a depreciating asset, you are looking at it as "spending" in the conventional sense, think of it like having a high "credit score"

Chads looks do decrease but not in the moment he got a foid. He simply lost his looks with time, long after he fucked that foid, but he didn't waste it on her. Chad fucks woman - his looks is intact. You fuck a whore - your money is wasted, you're worse off than before, whore is happy and rich.

 

[BlkPillPres]

So, because i refuse to provide women with resources, for the natural act of sex, my standards are too high?

1. Men have always had to provide women with resources for access to sex so I don't see your point

2. Do you not see the irony in appealing to nature while opposing the trade of resources for sex......... which is natural

It is something fundamental to romantic interactions between mammals, men have to fight/compete for a woman and/or give her resources to get sex, you can see this throughout the animal kingdom

What kind of cuckery is that ? You are in fact saying that women should be paid, to do what we do for free ...

Like I asked that idiot @mental_out

I never made such a claim that we SHOULD always save women first, dude you are literally reading neutral statements explaining something, and attributing intent and motive to it, I'm starting to believe I'm arguing with a woman larping as a man, you are arguing like a straight up bitch.

I've never argued about WHAT SHOULD BE, I've spoken about WHAT IS

You idiots can't help but argue disingenuously and attribute the intent and motive you require to build your strawman argument, please go ahead and quote me where I said women SHOULD be paid, the world works a certain way, there are rules and loopholes, you can either create/use a strategy to get what you want, or do nothing and endlessly complain.

I've never argued in this thread about what should be, only about how things actually are

 

[BlkPillPres]

I would also like to thank you for being one the only posters in this thread that clearly disagrees with me, and still chose not to strawman any of my arguments, you are making actual points so you liekly don't feel the need to restructure anything I'm saying

You fuck a whore - your money is wasted

How is it wasted if you get what you want

you're worse off than before

I'm confused, if I buy food, I eat it, and it satisfies me, am I worse of before than when I was hungry simply because my money was lowered?

whore is happy and rich.

[/QUOTE]

I doubt these women are happy in this job, and I think you are thinking of "E-Whores" and pornstars when you speak of rich whores. TBH I plan on really starting back to escortcel when I move to a poor country, that way I can take full advantage of the ruleset of the game, but even in my country the whores definitely aren't getting rich from their work, plus women are terrible with money anyways, these whores aren't investing in stocks and shit lol

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

Its has nothing to do with tense, are you dense?

Example:


Read, I receive many statements like this from idiots arguing against prostitution (that post was from this very thread), does this have anything to do with using the "wrong tense", this is a clear and straight forward statement, where one is asserting that by men like me paying for sex, we are somehow affecting this giant market and the values therein, as if we stopped it would make a difference.

Dude is literally saying that incels paying for sex is determining the worth of women's bodies, that worth has been pre-established centuries ago




Ok so would you date the average woman today, would you take on the expenses required to date and woo a woman into POSSIBLY having sex with you?

If your answer is yes, please see the irony in what you are saying

If your answer is no, then you literally are the kind of guy I'm talking about in this thread:

Don't see what's wrong. I said tense or sth. Should is a subjunctive, it's called a mood in english? Perfectly correct to talk about theoretical stuff like this and even if not it wouldn't matter, as I said. Why do you always concentrate on these side battles?

You have to do in the current system, what you have to do, but individual action adds up to systemic consequences and yes the whole system should be toppled, and? What is even your point? Yeah like two people stopping won't do anything. But this is a non argument or at least obvious anyway. There are rules in the society and these are open up to discussion. After your logic people should just start murder each other again if they want to. This defeatism is just stupid, just as your liberal morale relativity.

Concerning the dating question somewhere inbetween. Also depending how true your sub8 theories really are. (a much more interesting question)

To lazy to quote, but maaann really, what is your profession? Ever heard of macroeconomics etc.? Consumption and allocation of ressources is not as you wish.

Besides that I am kinda pissed that your not adressing the mroe fundamental question and see them already as set axioms.

 

[Hikikomori]

1. Men have always had to provide women with resources for access to sex so I don't see your point

2. Do you not see the irony in appealing to nature while opposing the trade of resources for sex......... which is natural

It is something fundamental to romantic interactions between mammals, men have to fight/compete for a woman and/or give her resources to get sex, you can see this throughout the animal kingdom



Like I asked that idiot @mental_out


I've never argued about WHAT SHOULD BE, I've spoken about WHAT IS

You idiots can't help but argue disingenuously and attribute the intent and motive you require to build your strawman argument, please go ahead and quote me where I said women SHOULD be paid, the world works a certain way, there are rules and loopholes, you can either create/use a strategy to get what you want, or do nothing and endlessly complain.

I've never argued in this thread about what should be, only about how things actually are

You advocate for prostitution, that's the act of a transfer of wealth in exchange for sexual acts.

So explain to me how you're NOT saying that women should be paid for sex ?

Are your implications, and what you're advocating for, not the same thing ?

 

[mybodyisrotting]

Ok so would you date the average woman today, would you take on the expenses required to date and woo a woman into POSSIBLY having sex with you?

If your answer is yes, please see the irony in what you are saying

If your answer is no, then you literally are the kind of guy I'm talking about in this thread who has self imposed restrictions that make it so that they can never get laid:

For one, a date doesn't necessarily require spending money. I always figured I'd take a woman on a walk to one of the nearby landscape points, or on a sports activity like rollerblading/skateboarding if I had the chance.
That aside, you really have to be autistic in order to not differentiate between spending time with someone who wants to spend time with you and someone who hates it, but does so only because of monetary compensation.
If you wanted to discuss something that you find interesting and feel passionate about, had noone to talk with but there was this service where someone will discuss anything with you for $50 an hour, do you think it'd be a satisfying experience?

Btw in case you missed @DeformAspergerCel 's post, I'd like to see what you think about it:

it's up to each individual to determine whether the shit they would have to go through in order to "ascend" is really worth it. The example that comes to mind is NEETandTidy. Clearly he took your logic to its extreme and thought that since biological foids wont accept him, he can't have that as a standard/prerequisite and decided to instead go for someone that would accept him, someone that was realistic for his looks range, namely a tranny. This would be the logically consistent thing to do according to your logic. This then begs the question, who's to say where the line is drawn? Am I volcel for refusing to fuck a 1000 pound whalebeast that I would have to take a bunch of viagra to even be able to fuck? Technically that would be my SMV match.

The sexual market is incredibly skewed thanks to modernity and I don't fault any man for opting out of playing this inherently unfair and laughably absurd Kafka esque game. In fact, sometimes, which the case of NEETandTidy illustrated, it's more honorable and, simply put, better if you do. Here's my definition of a volcel; if you can ascend with a human looking foid through tinder that you actually can get your dick hard to yet refuse it, you're a volcel

 

[Deleted member 15752]

You advocate for prostitution, that's the act of a transfer of wealth in exchange for sexual acts.

Boyo, there is no ascending you will come to this conclusion if you havent.
Either way, if you want to have sex you pay. It can either be through dates or prostitution. Nothing is free, so therefore there is no ascending. @BlkPillPres advocates for prostitution because thats what he finds suits best his situation, the same way people advocate that prostitution is not legit. At this stage its all about what you personally think ascending is and the same way he disagrees with you, you disagree with him. If he found that escortceling is legit, he will try to disprove the other side of the coin, same way you are trying right now to disprove his side of the coin. Its all about one adapting to the current hand he has been dealt by society. But to conclude, anyone that believes they can get free sex is a look in the mirror and comparison to Chad (the only one that gets sex for free). Dating is still another form transferring wealth, with only the guarantee of sex being reduced to a gamble.

 

[BlkPillPres]

You have to do in the current system, what you have to do, but individual action adds up to systemic consequences and the whole system should be toppled, and? What is even your point? Yeah like two people stopping won't do anything.

No not just two people, if ALL incels stopped paying for sex it would not affect the worth of the female body, it would take like 65% of the entire male population of the planet to stop paying women for sex (directly or indirectly) to affect their value. Ironically the only thing that can efficiently affect women's value is to go in the other direction, make paying for sex legal and make it a cultural norm for men to take part in it, that would reduce the collective SMV of all women since sex would be a more easily accessible resource and therefore worth less, and with more and more brothels and sex workers popping up competitive pricing would become a norm

So ironically the guys arguing theoretically against me are STILL WRONG, its actually the opposite that would reduced women's sexual worth, making paying for holes something that is common place is what will reduce their worth, not making it something fucking rare and hard to get, what kind of idiot logic is that

PROHIBITION IN AMERICA MADE ALCOHOL WORTH MORE MONEY NOT LESS MONEY, WHEN IT BECAME LEGAL AND MORE EASILY ACCESSIBLE IT BECAME CHEAP (common sense)

Also depending how true your sub8 theories really are. (a much more interesting question)

What sub8 theories?

 

[Deleted member 17811]

YOU WON'T TAKE AN AVERAGE WOMAN OUT ON A DATE

No. Why should I bother with paying for a date, driving her home then begging to take her out again? Dating is the most cucked thing you can do in contemporary society - the effort and resources it takes to attract a woman and turn that first date into a LTR with kids isn't worth it.
If whores want to fuck their way through their twenties (while not giving the time of day to ugly fucks like me) then settle down in their thirties, they can do that. But I'll never even try to play the game by dating some ugly/average looking slut just to get into a relationship.
I'll live in solitude until I finally blow my brains out.

 

[KilluminoidBR]

Ultra low IQ thread. And some people here put this OP as a "high IQ" member.

No surprise taking in consideration that even retardades like Ledgemund and mylifeistrash are considered high IQ by alot of people here.

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

No not just two people, if ALL incels stopped paying for sex it would not affect the worth of the female body, it would take like 65% of the entire male population of the planet to stop paying women for sex (directly or indirectly) to affect their value. Ironically the only thing that can efficiently affect women's value is to go in the other direction, make paying for sex legal and make it a cultural norm for men to take part in it, that would reduce the collective SMV of all women since sex would be a more easily accessible resource and therefore worth less, and with more and more brothels and sex workers popping up competitive pricing would become a norm

So ironically the guys arguing theoretically against me are STILL WRONG, its actually the opposite that would reduced women's sexual worth, making paying for holes something that is common place is what will reduce their worth, not making it something fucking rare and hard to get, what kind of idiot logic is that

PROHIBITION IN AMERICA MADE ALCOHOL WORTH MORE MONEY NOT LESS MONEY, WHEN IT BECAME LEGAL AND MORE EASILY ACCESSIBLE IT BECAME CHEAP (common sense)


But this is a non argument or at least obvious anyway. There are rules in the society and these are open up to discussion. After your logic people should just start murder each other again. This morale defeatism is just stupid.

What sub8 theories?

Prostituion got a bit cheaper here, but it's still much more than a living wage. Female worth is as high as ever. Guess some people's needs are not covered by this service alone?

It's either to expensive, not that widespread or not fullfilling enough (I would need more arguments for the positive effects of affection being just a placebo as well btw.).

Noone said to fully abolish prostitution (only in its current form)

Noone said change will come easy.

What sub8 theories? - That normies have to financially gigacuck themselves anyway equating dating to prostitution.

Your making far to many assumptions about users here and reality in general.

 

[BlkPillPres]

For one, a date doesn't necessarily require spending money. I always figured I'd take a woman on a walk to one of the nearby landscape points, or on a sports activity like rollerblading/skateboarding if I had the chance.

Is transportation going to be involved and whose primarily paying for it?

Is food going to be involved and who is primarily paying for it?

If sex is to take place who is primarily paying for contraception (condoms)?

At the end of the day, as a man, you are going to be footing most of the bill when it comes to the pursuit of sex, that's just a fact, using extreme exception to the rule examples like "going for a walk" is a cop out and an attempt to disingenously circumvent whats obvious, and even then it doesn't work, you really think any woman wants to go for a fucking walk, with an average/below average looking men to add to the ridiculousness, you've been watching too many movies, women go on walk dates with attractive men because they enjoy just being around the guy, dating for a normal man is about how you can entertain and excite her, you can't do that by just being around her like an attractive man can, so please stop with the delusions

That aside, you really have to be autistic in order to not differenciate between spending time with someone who wants to spend time with you and someone who hates it, but does so only because of monetary compensation.

You have to autistic to understand this, understand that you are incel and will never get this, and still impose such a restriction on yourself, its like a flightless bird saying it won't move more than 50 miles outside a certain radius unless it can fly, knowing full well it will never fly, you are doing this shit to yourself

If you wanted to discuss something that you find interesting and feel passionate about, had noone to talk with but there was this service where someone will discuss anything with you for $50 an hour, do you think it'd be a satisfying experience?

False analogy, depends on how much one enjoys discussing that thing, depends on the criteria of enjoyment tooo, the enjoyment one gets out of a discussion cannot be compared to orgasms from sex, so it being a satisfying experience depends on why you are doing it

Guys like you want sex because its validation from women (at least that's what you see it as), men like me want sex because its physically satisfying, so paying for sex won't satisfy your criteria of validation but it will satisfy my criteria of physical satisfaction

Btw in case you missed @DeformAspergerCel 's post, I'd like to see what you think about it:

I missed it, I will respond now

it's up to each individual to determine whether the shit they would have to go through in order to "ascend" is really worth it. The example that comes to mind is NEETandTidy. Clearly he took your logic to its extreme

That isn't my logic, its the exact opposite of my logic, my logic is to utilize a loophole whilst on the reservation, he left the reservation lol, what he did is in a completely seperate category from my logic

Dating > Prostitution > ???? (the next extreme step in my logic WOULD BE RAPING WOMEN, its the next step in circumventing female gate keeping of sex as a resource)

If you won't/can't date, your next choice is paying for sex, if you won't do either, the next choice is getting sex outside of dating where you also don't pay, that's rape, I don't see how you can say a next step is now going to fuck men

@NEETAndTidy did something in an entirely different category of my logic, he went to fuck men that larp as women

Here's my definition of a volcel; if you can ascend with a human looking foid through tinder that you actually can get your dick hard to yet refuse it, you're a volcel

The "through tinder" part needs to be removed because that is a huge limiting factor, basically only 6/10 men can be volcel at that point and its getting worse and worse, as you yourself said: "The sexual market is incredibly skewed thanks to modernity"

So with your criteria for volceldom, as time goes on, less and less men would be volcel, just by virture of failing on tinder

Come on dude, you know that makes no sense

 

[Hikikomori]

Boyo, there is no ascending you will come to this conclusion if you havent.
Either way, if you want to have sex you pay. It can either be through dates or prostitution. Nothing is free, so therefore there is no ascending. @BlkPillPres advocates for prostitution because thats what he finds suits best his situation, the same way people advocate that prostitution is not legit. At this stage its all about what you personally think ascending is and the same way he disagrees with you, you disagree with him. If he found that escortceling is legit, he will try to disprove the other side of the coin, same way you are trying right now to disprove his side of the coin. Its all about one adapting to the current hand he has been dealt by society. But to conclude, anyone that believes they can get free sex is a look in the mirror and comparison to Chad (the only one that gets sex for free). Dating is still another form transferring wealth, with only the guarantee of sex being reduced to a gamble.

My point is, he stated that he never said women should be paid for sex, while at the same time, advocating for prostitution. That's the same thing as paying women for sex ... to my understanding.

If one wants to engage in prostitution, that's their business. However, to call the rest of us volcels, because we personally do not ... is a bit over the top.

 

[Honeypot]

A lot of the users on this site seem to have deeply internalized self hatred and are essentially masochists in the way they live their lives, its as if in some way they get off on creating and imposing mental restrictions on themselves that deny them success and pleasure in life, and its like they are unaware of what they are doing to themselves, like its subconscious

The rulesets these men have placed on themselves means that they will remain sexually starved permavirgins, yet they come online everyday to complain about not getting sex, knowing full well the rulesets they restrict themselves by is what is actually keeping sex outside of their reach, it makes no sense to complain about a self imposed handicap, but its like they have some kind of mental block keeping them from making that connection and removing said handicap

I see a lot of users speaking as if they would never pay for sex due to moral or ego based reasons ON TOP OF saying/alluding to that they would never date either because "I would never take a whore out on a date", they are never specific about what their criteria of a whore is, as far as I'm concerned all women today are whores, you aren't going to find any virgins anymore so at the end of the day you are paying for used goods.

I once asked a user who said he'd refuse to pay for sex because he doesn't get validation, if he would pay for dates (to point out the obvious irony of paying to gamble rather than paying for a guarantee)

His response was that he would not date modern women either because of how they are today, yet complained as if him never having sex isn't something he imposed on himself

SO LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT

YOU WON'T PAY A WHORE FOR SEX
YOU WON'T TAKE AN AVERAGE WOMAN OUT ON A DATE
YOU LITERALLY EXPECT WOMEN TO JUST WALK UP TO YOU AND FUCK YOU (because chad gets to do that)

YET YOU AREN'T VOLCEL?

That is the very definition of a self fulfilling prophecy

A lot of this sites users are worse than feminists when it comes to logic (in some cases) and that's a feat in of itself. They have all these weird mentalcel self imposed restrictions that there is no way out of, the rules are purposefully set so that they will never get anything they want so that they can endlessly complain, its set so that they just have to remain a sexually starved permavirgin, these guys aren't operating on logic.

A lot of these guys speak as though women are literally just supposed to fall out of the sky onto their cock, some of these guys prove the "entitlement" meme feminists keep peddling around about incels, like they are larps doing it on purpose to spread a false narrative

I will never understand how someone gets to this point and can't be introspective enough to realize that they have locked themselves in a cage and they are holding the key, if you won't date, and you won't pay for sex, then you've closed off any oppurtunity to ever get sex, so why are you now complaining that you can't get sex, its makes no sense at all, its so confusing.

Not dating a woman with 1000 body count is volcelism.

You could have said it faster but you had to do mental gymnastics to make it look better.

And it isn't, that woman is only interested in money or another motive, not you that's certainly true.

And it's not like it would happen anyways we just express our delusions.

 

[Deleted member 15752]

If one wants to engage in prostitution, that's their business. However, to call the rest of us volcels, because we personally do not ... is a bit over the top.

You know, I will actually disagree with him and you. Ascending is just not real anymore, in theory yea it sounds like you can pull something but if one requires sex the same way as chad does its just delusion. Chad pays with his looks while you have nothing to pay with, so by default everything is involving money. The same way as people seek validation, what do you want to be validated for? Money? Bullshit, being validated for having money is meaningless. You can only be validated for looks which you do not have. So is there anything else you can ascend to? Can you ascend to being validated or getting free sex? No, because you are not good looking. Your ascension needs to cater to what you are being dealt with and the situation society puts you in, you just need to adapt to it. For sex, people take the escortcelling route and as for validation people make up things that validates them in their imagination. Both still dont achieve the same intended goal, but there is nothing you can do.

 

[blackcel]

If you are under the age of 25, or havent asked a single girl out in your life get the fuck off this site right now. This site is doing more harm than good for you.

 

[BlkPillPres]

If one wants to engage in prostitution, that's their business. However, to call the rest of us volcels, because we personally do not ... is a bit over the top.

I would not say you are volcel for merely choosing not to do it, I'd say one is volcel based on WHY they choose not to do it

If you choose not to pay for sex for objective reasons (too expensive for you, too risky for you, etc) I can agree, many users have told me such and I could not argue against such points, I agreed with them

If you choose not to pay for sex for MORAL and/or EGO based reasons, YOU ARE VOLCEL

At that point you don't have any legitimate objective reasons for not paying for sex, just subjective emotionally based ones

Do you visit a barber, why don't you buy a cheap hair cutting set and watch some youtube videos on how to cut your hair, would not take long to learn with a few mirrors and a bit of time (I actually plan on doing this at some point, money is wasted on hair cuts, something simple you can do yourself)

Do you see the irony that you'd pay good money to get a simple cut (I doubt any of us I getting stylish intricate hair cuts), but you won't pay for access to something you definitely can't emulate yourself

Not dating a woman with 1000 body count is volcelism.

I think you should try reading again, actually my argument is in favor of prostitution not dating, so I don't even know where you got this from my post

My point is that if you won't date (because women are whores) and you won't pay for sex (because women are whores), then by simple logic and common sense you've restricted yourself to NEVER HAVING SEX, because those are the only options left, so its completely illogical to come online everyday to complain about never getting sex, when you know full well based on your own self imposed restrictions you've eliminated all options

If I am a flightless bird, and I create a rule that I won't leave an area within a 50 mile radius unless I can fly, then I have restricted myself to that 50 mile radius indefinitely, there's no two ways about it, its a volcel restriction to refuse to utilize all options available to you.

What if the last woman on the earth was a woman with 1000+ partners, and its just you are her stuck in some city alone, are you saying you would never fuck her?

 

[mybodyisrotting]

Is transportation going to be involved and whose primarily paying for it?

Is food going to be involved and who is primarily paying for it?

If sex is to take place who is primarily paying for contraception (condoms)?

Yes and I also spend time, which I could use instead to do some trading or overtime, which essentially means using any time to hang out with another human being is akin to paying for prostitution right

you really think any woman wants to go for a fucking walk, with an average/below average looking men to add to the ridiculousness, you've been watching too many movies, women go on walk dates with attractive men because they enjoy just being around the guy, dating for a normal man is about how you can entertain and excite her, you can't do that by just being around her like an attractive man can, so please stop with the delusions

Obviously I don't think it's ever gonna happen, hence the "if I had the chance".
This forum exists because the society lies to us that this kind of experience is achievable to every man.

False analogy, depends on how much one enjoys discussing that thing, depends on the criteria of enjoyment tooo, the enjoyment one gets out of a discussion cannot be compared to orgasms from sex, so it being a satisfying experience depends on why you are doing it

I'm genuinely puzzled by this part tbh, you've listed those points yet you can't see how one could apply similar ones to sex, is orgasm the only thing that matters in sex in your opinion?

Btw the whole topic makes me think, do you think that prostitution is all it takes to escape inceldom, and if yes, why are you here? (Don't take this the wrong way, I like your posts even if I sometimes disagree with what you say)

 

[Gangsta Rape]

How is it wasted if you get what you want

You could just jack off. A whore is barely improvement, why let exploit yourself for that?

I'm confused, if I buy food, I eat it, and it satisfies me, am I worse of before than when I was hungry simply because my money was lowered?

You need food to survive and those who make food not necessary hate you. It's not rational to care about what others think of you, but it's not rational to crave sex either (remove your sex drive and it will mean nothing to you). You can suppress both. How is your irrational desires (wanting to fuck whores) are above irrational desires of others (wanting "love", justice)?

I doubt these women are happy in this job

They are happy because they make 40x average man does, otherwise they would work ordinary job, nobody forcing them do this they just wanna be rich.

I think you are thinking of "E-Whores" and pornstars when you speak of rich whores

I calculated it in previous post. They are rich compared to average man.

 

[BlkPillPres]

which essentially means using any time to hang out with another human being is akin to paying for prostitution right

No it means every interaction is transactional in some sense, I've made a thread on this very thing:

Every Interaction Is A Transaction Of Resources

The way I look at it, everything is a resource, even looks, money is just the modern common unit of resource representation. Think of looks as a currency (L) and money also as a currency ($), L is just a currency that is worth more, but that's because its a very scarce resource that cannot be...

incels.is

Most people are just looking at reality with a narrow perspective, try and look at it objectively from and outside looking in perspective, at the end of the day it all comes down to resources, everything is a trade of resources, even time is a resource, and can be treated as a currency (T).

When you look at the English language it even reveals certain abstract qualities about the things we do

For example hanging out with people is also phrased as SPENDING TIME with them, do you know what the word SPEND means. Even time is a valuable resource, you just don't see it as much (most people tbh) because its been normalized to be treated as "a given", a trade not worth acknowledging, not everyones time is worth the same.

Obviously I don't think it's ever gonna happen, hence the "if I had the chance".

So I ask again, if you know its never going to happen, why have you placed such restrictions on yourself, knowing full well that it will keep you from ever getting sex

I'm genuinely puzzled by this part tbh, you've listed those points yet you can't see how one could apply similar ones to sex, is orgasm the only thing that matters in sex in your opinion?

No the orgasm isn't just what matters, else masturbation would be enough, its the act of sexual intercourse itself that enjoyable, having control and use of a woman's body is a very powerful feeling, it makes the orgasm in most cases stronger than one could achieve by masturbating

Btw the whole topic makes me think, do you think that prostitution is all it takes to escape inceldom

You'd still be an incel if you pay for sex since you can't attain sex through "conventional means", but at least you wouldn't be sexually starved, whats the point of keeping yourself eternally suicidal and sexually starved, that doesn't make any sense at all, its ridiculous, its like you guys are collecting sufferation points that you get to turn in "at the end of the game" for bonus rewards or something lol

If I cheat to win a game I'd still be a worse player than the guys I beat, but I'd still get the prize money/reward

 

[Hikikomori]

I would not say you are volcel for merely choosing not to do it, I'd say one is volcel based on WHY they choose not to do it

If you choose not to pay for sex for objective reasons (too expensive for you, too risky for you, etc) I can agree, many users have told me such and I could not argue against such points, I agreed with them

If you choose not to pay for sex for MORAL and/or EGO based reasons, YOU ARE VOLCEL

At that point you don't have any legitimate objective reasons for not paying for sex, just subjective emotionally based ones

Do you visit a barber, why don't you buy a cheap hair cutting set and watch some youtube videos on how to cut your hair, would not take long to learn with a few mirrors and a bit of time (I actually plan on doing this at some point, money is wasted on hair cuts, something simple you can do yourself)

Do you see the irony that you'd pay good money to get a simple cut (I doubt any of us I getting stylish intricate hair cuts), but you won't pay for access to something you definitely can't emulate yourself




I think you should try reading again, actually my argument is in favor of prostitution not dating, so I don't even know where you got this from my post

My point is that if you won't date (because women are whores) and you won't pay for sex (because women are whores), then by simple logic and common sense you've restricted yourself to NEVER HAVING SEX, because those are the only options left, so its completely illogical to come online everyday to complain about never getting sex, when you know full well based on your own self imposed restrictions you've eliminated all options

If I am a flightless bird, and I create a rule that I won't leave an area within a 50 mile radius unless I can fly, then I have restricted myself to that 50 mile radius indefinitely, there's no two ways about it, its a volcel restriction to refuse to utilize all options available to you.

What if the last woman on the earth was a woman with 1000+ partners, and its just you are her stuck in some city alone, are you saying you would never fuck her?

My reasons for not engaging in prostitution are real simple. For one, it's illegal where i live, secondly my paranoia is such, that i would run away from a prostitute, thinking the whole thing is a plot to get me locked up, and third, the little money i have, belongs to me, not to a whore.

 

[BlkPillPres]

You could just jack off. A whore is barely improvement, why let exploit yourself for that?

My Response:

I had a normie friend who I once told that porn would always be enough and I don't see why guys bother dating, I had only been masturbating for about a year or so at that point and it was great, couldn't see it "getting old" at all, he laughed and told me that I was wrong and I'd see why at some point, I told him it would never happen, HE WAS RIGHT

The thing is, you spend enough time jerking off watching people enjoy sex, and bit by bit over time you want to enjoy it yourself, and the act of masturbation slowly over months and months becomes less and less enjoyable, its still physically enjoyable, but not it isn't that great, the first time fucked a whore I came so hard by legs were shaking, you are kidding or ignorant if you think a fleshlight is going to match the experience of fucking a woman, talk about coping, you can't be serious

Take it from a guy who said to himself and others that without a doubt porn would be enough for the rest of his life, I learned how wrong I was first hand

>Inb4 - "just don't masturbate to porn, masturbate to nothingness, just close your eyes and jerk off to darkness" JFL

At that point why even bother masturbating, it would be a struggle to reach orgasm, I'd more likely just go get medicated and chemically castrated myself

You need food to survive and those who make food not necessary hate you. It's not rational to care about what others think of you, but it's not rational to crave sex either

Craving sex is biological, craving attention, validation, etc is psychological, one can change their mindset, you can't change your biology

remove your sex drive and it will mean nothing to you).

So like I said above, chemical castration?, there is no off switch for this shit

How is your irrational desires (wanting to fuck whores) are above irrational desires of others (wanting "love", justice)?

Like I said above:

Craving sex is biological, craving attention, validation, etc is psychological, one can change their mindset, you can't change your biology, that's the difference, you might as well compare physical hunger to one "hungering for attention" and argue that both are equally valid and suppressed lol.

They aren't the same thing, one can stop being an egoist, one can't stop wanting to fuck women, its biology, you place your hand on something hot you feel pain, there is no off switch for biology, can you fight against it, of course, but that's when I ask WHY?

To what end does one force themselves to suppress sexual desire, what is the end goal, what is the purpose?

I calculated it in previous post. They are rich compared to average man.

Yes and so are business owners, people whose megastores we buy goods from, people whose tech products, games, etc we buy, are you supposed to now stop enjoying those things because someone is making a huge profit from you enjoying it, if you do everything with others in mind so much, you'll just lose sight of whats good for you and what benefits you, you'll lose sight of yourself

This mindset is the perfect example of cutting off your nose to spite your face

My reasons for not engaging in prostitution are real simple. For one, it's illegal where i live, secondly my paranoia is such, that i would run away from a prostitute, thinking the whole thing is a plot to get me locked up, and third, the little money i have, belongs to me, not to a whore.

Well when you put it like that I can't disagree, if these were the kinds of arguments made against me then I wouldn't do much arguing, but all the BS arguments about "sex should be free, paying for it is cucked" and guys saying/acting like they are "above paying for sex" while ironically saying they are "subhuman" is illogical volcel BS and you know

If one can afford to pay for sex, and there isn't much risk, then why shouldn't they do it

Also legality didn't stop people from drinking alcohol in times of prohibition, legality hasn't stopped people from buying weed, it won't stop people from paying for sex either, especially since as humans men crave sex way more than alcohol or weed.

 

[StaroRavager]

I don’t completely agree with OP’s views on escortcelling but the amount of members who are adverse to the idea and the type of pushback they give is telling

 

[mybodyisrotting]

You'd still be an incel if you pay for sex since you can't attain sex through "conventional means", but at least you wouldn't be sexually starved, whats the point of keeping yourself eternally suicidal and sexually starved, that doesn't make any sense at all, its ridiculous, its like you guys are collecting sufferation points that you get to turn in "at the end of the game" for bonus rewards or something lol

But if refusing paid sex = volcel, does it not logically mean that having paid sex = not incel?

 

[BlkPillPres]

the amount of members who are adverse to the idea and the type of pushback they give is telling

It is telling indeed, and its the very point of these threads, to get these guys to oust themselves as female worshipping, ego obsessed fools

The worse part is their reasoning, that's my main point

Like I told @Hikikomori

I would not say you are volcel for merely choosing not to do it, I'd say one is volcel based on WHY they choose not to do it

If you choose not to pay for sex for objective reasons (too expensive for you, too risky for you, etc) I can agree, many users have told me such and I could not argue against such points, I agreed with them

If you choose not to pay for sex for MORAL and/or EGO based reasons, YOU ARE VOLCEL

At that point you don't have any legitimate objective reasons for not paying for sex, just subjective emotionally based ones

I'm not against refusing to pay for sex, I'm against the blue pilled mindset of valuing female validation as being more important than sex itself, that is LITERALLY FEMALE WORSHIP AND PEDESTALIZATION. A mindset like that cannot be allowed to spread, if you're going to refuse to pay for sex, at least be objective in your reasoning, not have emotional egotistical BS reasons like - "I'm above paying for sex, Chad doesn't pay for sex so why should I", and ironically in other threads they'll say - "its over, I'm so subhuman", these idiots don't see the contradiction in calling yourself incel and acting as if you are Chad, they can't even "pick a side" and be logically consistent

But if refusing paid sex = volcel, does it not logically mean that having paid sex means you're not incel?

Its not just refusing to pay for sex that makes you volcel, its WHY you refuse to pay for sex that makes you volcel

Also I see every aspect of ascension (dating, engagement, marriage, etc) AS PAYING FOR SEX, to me there is no distinction between dating and prostitution, other than one having to gamble, and one making a direct purchase

That's why I also say, if you won't date AND you won't pay for sex (no matter what), you are definitely volcel, because you are willingly placing yourself in a box or restrictions to where you have no options to access sexual resources

 

[mybodyisrotting]

Its not just refusing to pay for sex that makes you volcel, its WHY you refuse to pay for sex that makes you volcel

Also I see every aspect of ascension (dating, engagement, marriage, etc) AS PAYING FOR SEX, to me there is no distinction between dating and prostitution, other than one having to gamble, and one making a direct purchase

That's why I also say, if you won't date AND you won't pay for sex (no matter what), you are definitely volcel, because you are willingly placing yourself in a box or restrictions to where you have no options to access sexual resources

That doesn't really answer my question. Going by your logic, nobody who's able to pay for sex is an incel.

 

[littlemanhikicel]

Social abilities they never learned from anyone and now they’re socially isolated.

 

[Gangsta Rape]

Craving sex is biological, craving attention, validation, etc is psychological, one can change their mindset, you can't change your biology

Craving "love" is hardwired. Animals don't just fucking, they form families, just like humans in all cultures throughout history. You can't change that. LIke, having latest iphone or sportcar brings you attention, but nobody creates a forum over not having those because humans don't evolve to crave them. If you truly don't need "love" then you have mental ilness (I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it's actually good a thing).

So like I said above, chemical castration?, there is no off switch for this shit

Why not chemically castrate yourself? According to you, you don't have an ego and don't care about dignity. It would be rational for you to castrate yourself since you don't care about "love" and dignity. Why spending lots of time moneymaxing, sexually starving all this time, to move in poor country to fuck whores while you can just castrate yourself and then moneymax and keep all the money to yoursef?

Yes and so are business owners, people whose megastores we buy goods from, people whose tech products, games, etc we buy

They don't make money out of my misery.

 

[starystulejarz]

just go to the prostitute bro that sure will help you with missed emotional development and not having sex out of desire

 

[BlkPillPres]

Why not chemically castrate yourself?

Because I enjoy having sex and I actually have the option since I haven't placed ridiculous self imposed restrictions on myself

It would be rational for you to castrate yourself since you don't care about "love" and dignity.

Except I care about physical pleasure, and unlike you guys sex isn't about "love" or "dignity" to me, you are projecting your own reasonings onto me and then saying - "why won't you do X based on these reasons", I won't because they aren't my reasons, my reasons for sex is pleasure, the actual enjoyment of the act of sex. I haven't placed the restrictions on myself that you have, so sex is within reach to me, you and guys like yourself who will never date and will never pay for sex should probably chemically castrate yourself instead of coming online to complain about being sexually starved everyday, since sex is quite literally never going to be attainable based on your own restrictions, it makes sense to castrate yourself in that case since all that's left for you is endless suffering

To make my point more clear, were both in an ice cream store, I would like to eat ice cream period (any flavor) but I prefer pistachio, you will only eat pistachio flavor and its your favorite, we both find out there's no pistachio left, in fact the only flavor sold at that store is vanilla

Me: "Guess I'll just take vanilla then"

You: "You should just forget about buying ice cream, don't bother there's no pistachio"

I don't have the same self imposed restrictions as you do, I can eat whatever flavor I want, you are projecting your limitations onto me

Its you guys that shouldn't bother buying ice cream at that store, I have no problem eating vanilla

Castration is only a good option to those who have resigned themselves to a life of endless sexual frustration, you guys are truly masochistic lol

you can just castrate yourself and then moneymax and keep all the money to yoursef?

To what end, what will I do with that money, the only thing in life I feel like I'm missing out on is fucking, and best case fucking a petite 10/10 asian chick, I don't care about "traveling the world" and capturing memorable pictures to show off on facebook about how "worldly" and "well traveled" I am, I just want to fuck and have access to food, shelter and entertainment, that's it. So if I wealthmax, by default I'll have access to food, shelter and entertainment, I have access to that right now in sufficient amounts, the only thing I'm missing that I want to do, is related to sex, maybe after "having my fill" I'll get tired of that too and stop escortceling (likely will), but right now sex is pretty much at the top of the list (well under money)

They don't make money out of my misery.

I don't care how one makes their money, I only care if that interaction benefits me

Like I told you already:

if you do everything with others in mind so much, you'll just lose sight of whats good for you and what benefits you, you'll lose sight of yourself

This mindset is the perfect example of cutting off your nose to spite your face

What is more important to you?

1. Your enemy losing
2. You winning

Both are not essentially the same thing, people who prefer to see others lose rather than themselves win will have a very self destructive lifestyle, and will do things that are too their own detriment just to ruin their enemies life a little bit, its a foolish way to live, I do what benefits me regardless of how it benefits others

just go to the prostitute bro that sure will help you with missed emotional development and not having sex out of desire

1. Ironically this "emotional development" is only necessary for one to date and interact with women, so if you just want to pay for sex, then there's no reason to gain the "emotional development" you missed out on, so I don't get your point here. I'm not trying to ascend ever so I won't need any "emotional development"

2. I don't get the last part of "not having sex out of desire", I don't understand the sentence nor do I get how its a bad thing, please explain