Serious An Increasing Majority Of Incels On This Site Are Mentalcels (Self Fullfilling Prophecy)

[Gangsta Rape]

Depends on the "outlet", would you consider $30 for 30 mins expensive?

In my country that's 4x average salary a day. So if prostitute works 10 hours a day she makes 40x average man does. How is that is not luxury? Also, I heard that in the US they're way more expensive.

would you fuck an endless stream of women you find unattractive for that "luxury", if that "luxury" is such a great thing, you would surely take it I'm assuming

Prostitutes don't fuck an endless stream of men they find unattractive. They clients are of different attractiveness. Incels, married men and occassional chads. So the correct question to ask me is: "would you fuck occassional stacy and get shitload of money?". The answer is: "yes bro". But to your question, considering how much prostitutes make, the answer is the same tbh.

 

[mental_out]

1. When has sex ever been free, there are penguins paying bitches in rocks to get to fuck, prostitution is fundamental to a mammals existence, its innate to the interaction between the sexes, what are you even talking about

The way I look at it, everything is a resource, even looks are a currency, so even the people who you say aren't paying (Chads) are paying, they are just paying in a currency they were born with more of than you have and the didn't have to work for it, no different than someone being born into a rich family with a trust fund

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The way I look at it, everything is a resource, even looks, money is just the modern common unit of resource representation. Think of looks as a currency (L) and money also as a currency ($), L is just a currency that is worth more, but that's because its a very scarce resource that cannot be...

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2. Who decides what SHOULD and SHOULDN'T be free?

Let me guess, you decide, for everyone (how convenient)

I say let the market decide, and if the market has determined that sex costs money, then maybe the market is right, men paying for sex isn't anything new either way, we've always done just that, in the past men even bought wives, we didn't have all these ridiculous delusions of "falling in love", we understood that most all things are transactional

You guys don't see the irony that modern masculinity has been feminized, so the mindset that you have now and think is masculine, is a feminized version of masculinity, men of the past weren't really chasing after "love" and "female affection", fathers promised their daughters to men, because we understood that anyone can commit to virtually anyone, "love" doesn't mean anything, your wife will learn to "love" you, it doesn't matter who you marry, whether its for political reasons, business reasons, etc

You have a female mindset and you don't even realize it

You're literally making excuses for women being greedy pieces of shit at this point, I still don't see how this is any better than cuckolding honestly. How is paying $30 for 30 mins while chad gets to ride for free anything short of cuckolding.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Men are more valuable than women, but should also have to pay for the privilege of being with a woman? Seems a bit contradictory to me lol.

This is what happens when you don't read someones post, and you quote the entire thing, rather than the specific argument you are responding to, go read over my post and quote where I said the BS you said here

How did you even become a mod whilst being this stupid, I expect the mods to be smart for some reason, I guess that's a fault on my part

Its like you can't even read, I literally gave multiple examples of what I'm saying

there are aspects in which women are worth more than men, and aspects in which men are worth more than women.

For example of a plague spread across the planet and wiped out a significant portion of the human race, guess who is going to be favored for access to "bunkers" to wait out the plague, women, because you need women to reproduce, but with a few men you can get that job done, you don't need many men. That's why the "women and children first" rule exists, its built around a culture of favoring women for their reproductive value and favoring children for carrying on the species

Take for example the results of China's one child policy, when that rule was imposed (notice how rules determine choices retard), parents started aborting female children like crazy, because a son is worth more economically, there is cultural favoritisim for males in asian culture, and because of that the male to female ratio changed by extremes as less women were born than men

How much more specific can I be, are you retarded or something?, quit while you're behind

Why would I want to give money to someone who apparently sees me as a subhuman burden who should have to pay just to be in their presence.

Why should I care what women think of me so long as I get my desired use out of them? (that's the question you should ask)

Listen you are exhibit A of what this thread is about, you just admitted you are an egoist, who has a self imposed mental restriction, if a sexual interaction will not stroke your ego, you won't take part in it, well that's your choice, you are volcel, you've created a self fulilling prophecy that you will never get laid with your mentalcel restrictions.

But to your question, considering how much prostitutes make, the answer is the same tbh.

Hey at least you are logically consistent, I can give you that, that's a relief to see in comparison to the other responses I'm getting. Also I doubt whores are fucking the occasional Chad, 50 shades of grey is a meme, Chad can get laid easily without pay, at best whores fuck the occasional 7/10 chad lite max.

 

[mental_out]

This is what happens when you don't read someones post, and you quote the entire thing, rather than the specific argument you are responding to, go read over my post and quote where I said the BS you said here

How did you even become a mod whilst being this stupid, I expect the mods to be smart for some reason, I guess that's a fault on my part

Its like you can't even read, I literally gave multiple examples of what I'm saying



How much more specific can I be, are you retarded or something?, quit while you're behind



Why should I care what a woman thinks of me so long as I get my desired use out of them? (that's the question you should ask)

Listen you are exhibit A of what this thread is about, you just admitted you are an egoist, who has a self imposed mental restriction, if a sexual interaction will not stroke your ego, you won't take part in it, well that's your choice, you are volcel, you've created a self fulilling prophecy that you will never get laid with your mentalcel restrictions.

I read it, you're literally saying men are expendable and worth less than women. Not sure how that isn't putting women on a pedestal honestly. You fully accept that you're worth less than a woman and that women should be put first above you. That's straight up what you're saying and then somehow trying to position that as men being superior lmao.

I couldn't give a fuck about womens reproductive ability, I'm not going to cuck myself just because women can have kids.

 

[ERadicator]

I dont need "pleasures of life" i just want to destroy the world

 

[BlkPillPres]

I read it, you're literally saying men are expendable and worth less than women. Not sure how that isn't putting women on a pedestal honestly.

So the part about women being aborted due to Chinas one child policy is me saying men are expendable?

then somehow trying to position that as men being superior lmao.

Wrong, I have yet to argue men are superior, its literally like you can't read english, it must not be your first language

 

[mental_out]

So the part about women being aborted due to Chinas one child policy is me saying men are expendable?

No the part about how we should always save women first is. You literally value your life less than you do a womans.

Wrong, I have yet to argue men are superior, its literally like you can't read english, it must not be your first language

So you're flat admitting you think men are inferior then

 

[BlkPillPres]

No the part about how we should always save women first is. You literally value your life less than you do a womans.

I never made such a claim that we SHOULD always save women first, dude you are literally reading neutral statements explaining something, and attributing intent and motive to it, I'm starting to believe I'm arguing with a woman larping as a man, you are arguing like a straight up bitch.

Can you not simply quote a statement and argue based on literally what is says rather than what you want it to be implying?

The 80/20 rule probably applies to this as well. 80% of incels are self-imposed volcels.

Sadly the more time I spend on this forum, the more I believe its true, I came to this forum expecting to find like minded men with objective rules for life choices, I found like 5 guys and the rest are emotional, illogical, egotistical volcels, this forum is going to become the next love shy in the next two years, even the mods are like this, there's no hope, objectivity doesn't matter to them, they all have their own abitrary personal rules and definitions for thing

One mod even told me just wanting to have sex with a woman is female worship, so we all worship women by default, a key thing you'll see repeating among these idiots is the use of broad all encompassing personal definitions, as a cope to validate their own worship of women, they make it as broad as possible in their minds so all men fall under it, so they don't feel bad for doing it, they don't use specific objective definitions, everything they argue about revolves around personal definitions

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

There is no such thing as inherent worth, worth is collectively decided based upon circumstances, like I said to the other idiot, if the price of all food went up in your country by 10%, and you still bought food, that doesn't mean you THINK the food is worth that price, you are just abiding by the rules of worth established by the collective of society, I mean you could just starve and don't eat any food.

Well you could ration it as a compromise. Your lack of nuance is astonishing.

You guys are speaking as if you don't exist in reality JFL, like you have no common sense, we don't have magical powers to just wish a new ruleset into existence or get rid of current established values of worth for the sexes, the rules exist, adapt to them or do without, but don't act as if we can just change them by simply not taking part, that's a cope and an idiotic one at that

You guys are operating on emotions not logic, and you can't see past your ego to make a choice that is beneficial to you

I don't see how talking about potenial systemic solutions or theory in general makes you an idiot, but okay. Systems change, rules change. With your cuck mentality we would still be in the stone ages.

 

[mental_out]

I never made such a claim that we SHOULD always save women first, dude you are literally reading neutral statements explaining something, and attributing intent and motive to it, I'm starting to believing I'm arguing with a woman larping as a man, you are arguing like a straight up bitch.

Can you not simply quote a statement and argue based on literally what is says rather than what you want it to be implying?

You low key defended the idea that women should be saved over men, and continue to defend the idea that women should be allowed to profit from sex, what else am I supposed to take from it? You're defending the entire culture of putting women up on a pedestal where they're granted lives of protection and luxury at the expense of men, whom they treat as slaves. That is ultimately the mentality of a cuck.

 

[Hikikomori]

Perhaps you should write a novel on how wonderful prostitution is, AKA transfer of wealth from men to women.

Meanwhile, chad is pounding away at that pussy for FREE, while you hand over your wallet.

How you don't see this as being cucked, is beyond me at this point.

 

[turbocuckcel_7000]

What do you do after whores get old?

 

[real truecel]

Jesus someone spent a year on this forum to make a believable account just to try to force cuck culture here.

 

[Gangsta Rape]

even looks are a currency

Looks is not currency. Currency can be wasted, you can buy something with it. When chad gets a foid because of his looks he doesn't waste anything, he gets her for free and she is attracted to him from the get go.

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

One mod even told me just wanting to have sex with a woman is female worship, so we all worship women by default, a key thing you'll see repeating among these idiots is the use of broad all encompassing personal definitions, as a cope to validate their own worship of women, they make it as broad as possible in their minds so all men fall under it, so they don't feel bad for doing it, they don't use specific objective definitions, everything they argue about revolves around personal definitions

For a start you could elaborate on some of your baseless core assumptions instead of larping as monsieur le rational male. JFL.

 

[Route3]

What do you do after whores get old?

 

[quinn24]

it's not ascension unless you're fucking a female that is attracted to you

otherwise you could argue that everyone is a volcel/fakecel because they could save up money to see a prostitute which would be retarded

why did you bring up the betabuxxing nonsense at all, you might as well just advocate moneymaxxing and fucking hookers

 

[Hikikomori]

I think OP ran out of oxygen ... or a hooker came over and he's got his wallet out, giving her his hard earned cash for some used up roast beef.

 

[mental_out]

I think OP ran out of oxygen ... or a hooker came over and he's got his wallet out, giving her his hard earned cash for some used up roast beef.

Nah he's just typing out his next novella probably

 

[The End]

Isn't it common that the more popular something becomes the more poseurs join in? I say let 'em have it. They are depressed, angry, and ugly so they use the incel label as a catch-all for their misery, self hatred, and misogyny.

I don't get the holier-than-thou attitude about half of the forum holds, but who am I to question their self-identity? A lot of people here think I'm shit because I celebrate degeneracy, but to me degeneracy opens up more opportunities for sex so it makes sense.

I am a horny piece of shit, and I still really really really want sex and would fuck about anything. Does that make me more incel-ish than others? Who cares! Incel is a label of shame, not something to covet.

 

[Hikikomori]

Nah he's just typing out his next novella probably

LOL, steam rolling off his keyboard, as the keys reach boiling point.

 

[mybodyisrotting]

Is refusal to have gay sex a sign of volceldom as well?
Having some standards does not mean that you're volcel. What's the point of having sex if you'd be disgusted by it?

 

[BlkPillPres]

Well you could ration it as a compromise. Your lack of nuance is astonishing.

to ration the food you are still buying it right?, I never said there would or wouldn't be rationing, I said you'd still buy it, so you are coming out of nowhere with this, you are still buying the food if you are rationing it, which is my point, you buying the food doesn't mean you think its worth its current price, its just all that's available

I don't see how talking about potenial systemic solutions or theory in general makes you an idiot, but okay. Systems change, rules change. With your cuck mentality we would still be in the stone ages.

I don't actually see anyone discussing anything "potential", they are stating things as a fact, as if we got all incels to stop paying for sex it would magically reduce the established worth of female sex, it wouldn't make a dent in that value.

You low key defended the idea that women should be saved over men, and continue to defend the idea that women should be allowed to profit from sex, what else am I supposed to take from it? You're defending the entire culture of putting women up on a pedestal where they're granted lives of protection and luxury at the expense of men, whom they treat as slaves. That is ultimately the mentality of a cuck.

JFL I'm done dude, I've been got, you can stop now, its obvious you've been trolling me and baiting me to argue this whole time, you clearly aren't serious

 

[mental_out]

to ration the food you are still buying it right?, I never said there would or wouldn't be rationing, I said you'd still buy it, so you are coming out of nowhere with this, you are still buying the food if you are rationing it, which is my point, you buying the food doesn't mean you think its worth its current price, its just all that's available



I don't actually see anyone discussing anything "potential", they are stating things as a fact, as if we got all incels to stop paying for sex it would magically reduce the established worth of female sex, it wouldn't make a dent in that value.



JFL I'm done dude, I've been got, you can stop now, its obvious you've been trolling me and baiting me to argue this whole time, you clearly aren't serious

I mean if you don't mind being a cuck and paying women just to have sex with you that's your perogative, but that doesn't make people volcel for not wanting to be used by women.

 

[Deleted member 17811]

All women are whores to chad. When you learn that, there is no point in even bothering to ascend.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Is refusal to have gay sex a sign of volceldom as well?

Is having sex with a woman who isn't attracted to you the same as having sex with a man?, are you guys seriously so ego obsessed, that not having your ego stroked in heterosexual sex, is the same has having homosexual sex?

You have to see how ridiculous that comparison is

Having some standards does not mean that you're volcel. What's the point of having sex if you'd be disgusted by it?

Having unrealistic standards does mean that you are volcel

Why are you disgusted by the idea that a woman doesn't like you?

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

There is a difference between fully engaging in a broken system and supporting it to a bare minimum to a degree necessary for your survival or not? Just mean it's not all black and white.

I don't actually see anyone discussing anything "potential", they are stating things as a fact, as if we got all incels to stop paying for sex it would magically reduce the established worth of female sex, it wouldn't make a dent in that value.

Well times can change as I said, but it's hard to decide for me who is lower IQ. Those who genuinly believe it would happen tomorrow or you assuming people do this, simply because they don't use the correct tense out of convienience or sth.

 

[BlkPillPres]

I don't get the holier-than-thou attitude about half of the forum holds, but who am I to question their self-identity? A lot of people here think I'm shit because I celebrate degeneracy, but to me degeneracy opens up more opportunities for sex so it makes sense.

Moralfags are the most illogical group on the planet, which I why I always say the #1 indicator of someone being blue pilled is them believing that morality is objective, the holier than thou mindset comes from their ego, these idiots literally don't see the contradiction in referring to yourself as an INCEL and yet saying "I AM ABOVE DOING X", if you are the lowest of the low you aren't above anything really.

All women are whores to chad. When you learn that, there is no point in even bothering to ascend.

True

Looks is not currency. Currency can be wasted, you can buy something with it. When chad gets a foid because of his looks he doesn't waste anything, he gets her for free and she is attracted to him from the get go.

Currencies can be converted into assets, assets don't decrease in their value per se, more like the worth of said asset changes over time

Your looks does decrease over time, its a depreciating asset, you are looking at it as "spending" in the conventional sense, think of it like having a high "credit score"

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

Your looks does decrease over time, its a depreciating asset, you are looking at it as "spending" in the conventional sense, think of it like having a high "credit score"

Ye time not fucking other people.

 

[mental_out]

Currencies can be converted into assets, assets don't decrease in their value per se, more like the worth of said asset changes over time

Your looks does decrease over time, its a depreciating asset, you are looking at it as "spending" in the conventional sense, think of it like having a high "credit score"

Depreciation isn't spending though. When you fuck someone it doesn't cause your looks to get worse. I can't believe you're calling other people low IQ and making these kinds of analogies.

 

[mybodyisrotting]

Is having sex with a woman who isn't attracted to you the same as having sex with a man?, are you guys seriously so ego obsessed, that not having your ego stroked in heterosexual sex, is the same has having homosexual sex?

You have to see how ridiculous that comparison is



Having unrealistic standards does mean that you are volcel

Why are you disgusted by the idea that a woman doesn't like you?

I'm trying to make a point that having standards is normal, and that you'd have to estabilish a logically consistent line of what "unrealistic" means. Whether it's because of social conditioning, legal or personal reasons, being turned off by prostitution seems pretty normal to me, just like being disgusted by the prospect of having gay sex.

 

[BlkPillPres]

or you assuming people do this, simply because they don't use the correct tense out of convienience or sth.

Its has nothing to do with tense, are you dense?

Example:

Yes, the fact is, they aren't worth mens resources. They THINK they're worth mens resources, because people like OP are more than willing to hand the resources over to them, in exchange for something that SHOULD be free.

We are where we are, because people like OP here ... keep propping whores up with resources. As long as men are giving their resources to females ... we are forever stuck in this loop.

Read, I receive many statements like this from idiots arguing against prostitution (that post was from this very thread), does this have anything to do with using the "wrong tense", this is a clear and straight forward statement, where one is asserting that by men like me paying for sex, we are somehow affecting this giant market and the values therein, as if we stopped it would make a difference.

Dude is literally saying that incels paying for sex is determining the worth of women's bodies, that worth has been pre-established centuries ago

being turned off by prostitution seems pretty normal to me, just like being disgusted by the prospect of having gay sex.

Ok so would you date the average woman today, would you take on the expenses required to date and woo a woman into POSSIBLY having sex with you?

If your answer is yes, please see the irony in what you are saying

If your answer is no, then you literally are the kind of guy I'm talking about in this thread who has self imposed restrictions that make it so that they can never get laid:

SO LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT

YOU WON'T PAY A WHORE FOR SEX
YOU WON'T TAKE AN AVERAGE WOMAN OUT ON A DATE
YOU LITERALLY EXPECT WOMEN TO JUST WALK UP TO YOU AND FUCK YOU (because chad gets to do that)

YET YOU AREN'T VOLCEL?

That is the very definition of a self fulfilling prophecy

 

[Hikikomori]

Having unrealistic standards does mean that you are volcel

So, because i refuse to provide women with resources, for the natural act of sex, my standards are too high ? What kind of cuckery is that ? You are in fact saying that women should be paid, to do what we do for free ...

 

[Gangsta Rape]

Your looks does decrease over time, its a depreciating asset, you are looking at it as "spending" in the conventional sense, think of it like having a high "credit score"

Chads looks do decrease but not in the moment he got a foid. He simply lost his looks with time, long after he fucked that foid, but he didn't waste it on her. Chad fucks woman - his looks is intact. You fuck a whore - your money is wasted, you're worse off than before, whore is happy and rich.

 

[BlkPillPres]

So, because i refuse to provide women with resources, for the natural act of sex, my standards are too high?

1. Men have always had to provide women with resources for access to sex so I don't see your point

2. Do you not see the irony in appealing to nature while opposing the trade of resources for sex......... which is natural

It is something fundamental to romantic interactions between mammals, men have to fight/compete for a woman and/or give her resources to get sex, you can see this throughout the animal kingdom

What kind of cuckery is that ? You are in fact saying that women should be paid, to do what we do for free ...

Like I asked that idiot @mental_out

I never made such a claim that we SHOULD always save women first, dude you are literally reading neutral statements explaining something, and attributing intent and motive to it, I'm starting to believe I'm arguing with a woman larping as a man, you are arguing like a straight up bitch.

I've never argued about WHAT SHOULD BE, I've spoken about WHAT IS

You idiots can't help but argue disingenuously and attribute the intent and motive you require to build your strawman argument, please go ahead and quote me where I said women SHOULD be paid, the world works a certain way, there are rules and loopholes, you can either create/use a strategy to get what you want, or do nothing and endlessly complain.

I've never argued in this thread about what should be, only about how things actually are

 

[mental_out]

1. Men have always had to provide women with resources for access to sex so I don't see your point

2. Do you not see the irony in appealing to nature while opposing the trade of resources for sex......... which is natural

It is something fundamental to romantic interactions between mammals, men have to fight/compete for a woman and/or give her resources to get sex, you can see this throughout the animal kingdom



Like I asked that idiot @mental_out


I've never argued about WHAT SHOULD BE, I've spoken about WHAT IS

You idiots can't help but argue disingenuously and attribute the intent and motive you require to build your strawman argument, please go ahead and quote me where I said women SHOULD be paid, the world works a certain way, there are rules and loopholes, you can either create/use a strategy to get what you want, or do nothing and endlessly complain.

I've never argued in this thread about what should be, only about how things actually are

But men don't have to fight or give resources to women if they find him attractive, only cucks do that shit for women. The whole problem with your argument is you keep implying that all men give money to women, which they don't.

And yes a lot of men throughout history have done it, there were a lot of cucks throughout history, what of it? Who cares if a bunch of historical cuckolds were cucks, doesn't mean it's something you should aspire to be.

 

[BlkPillPres]

I would also like to thank you for being one the only posters in this thread that clearly disagrees with me, and still chose not to strawman any of my arguments, you are making actual points so you liekly don't feel the need to restructure anything I'm saying

You fuck a whore - your money is wasted

How is it wasted if you get what you want

you're worse off than before

I'm confused, if I buy food, I eat it, and it satisfies me, am I worse of before than when I was hungry simply because my money was lowered?

whore is happy and rich.

[/QUOTE]

I doubt these women are happy in this job, and I think you are thinking of "E-Whores" and pornstars when you speak of rich whores. TBH I plan on really starting back to escortcel when I move to a poor country, that way I can take full advantage of the ruleset of the game, but even in my country the whores definitely aren't getting rich from their work, plus women are terrible with money anyways, these whores aren't investing in stocks and shit lol

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

Its has nothing to do with tense, are you dense?

Example:


Read, I receive many statements like this from idiots arguing against prostitution (that post was from this very thread), does this have anything to do with using the "wrong tense", this is a clear and straight forward statement, where one is asserting that by men like me paying for sex, we are somehow affecting this giant market and the values therein, as if we stopped it would make a difference.

Dude is literally saying that incels paying for sex is determining the worth of women's bodies, that worth has been pre-established centuries ago




Ok so would you date the average woman today, would you take on the expenses required to date and woo a woman into POSSIBLY having sex with you?

If your answer is yes, please see the irony in what you are saying

If your answer is no, then you literally are the kind of guy I'm talking about in this thread:

Don't see what's wrong. I said tense or sth. Should is a subjunctive, it's called a mood in english? Perfectly correct to talk about theoretical stuff like this and even if not it wouldn't matter, as I said. Why do you always concentrate on these side battles?

You have to do in the current system, what you have to do, but individual action adds up to systemic consequences and yes the whole system should be toppled, and? What is even your point? Yeah like two people stopping won't do anything. But this is a non argument or at least obvious anyway. There are rules in the society and these are open up to discussion. After your logic people should just start murder each other again if they want to. This defeatism is just stupid, just as your liberal morale relativity.

Concerning the dating question somewhere inbetween. Also depending how true your sub8 theories really are. (a much more interesting question)

To lazy to quote, but maaann really, what is your profession? Ever heard of macroeconomics etc.? Consumption and allocation of ressources is not as you wish.

Besides that I am kinda pissed that your not adressing the mroe fundamental question and see them already as set axioms.

 

[Hikikomori]

1. Men have always had to provide women with resources for access to sex so I don't see your point

2. Do you not see the irony in appealing to nature while opposing the trade of resources for sex......... which is natural

It is something fundamental to romantic interactions between mammals, men have to fight/compete for a woman and/or give her resources to get sex, you can see this throughout the animal kingdom



Like I asked that idiot @mental_out


I've never argued about WHAT SHOULD BE, I've spoken about WHAT IS

You idiots can't help but argue disingenuously and attribute the intent and motive you require to build your strawman argument, please go ahead and quote me where I said women SHOULD be paid, the world works a certain way, there are rules and loopholes, you can either create/use a strategy to get what you want, or do nothing and endlessly complain.

I've never argued in this thread about what should be, only about how things actually are

You advocate for prostitution, that's the act of a transfer of wealth in exchange for sexual acts.

So explain to me how you're NOT saying that women should be paid for sex ?

Are your implications, and what you're advocating for, not the same thing ?

 

[mybodyisrotting]

Ok so would you date the average woman today, would you take on the expenses required to date and woo a woman into POSSIBLY having sex with you?

If your answer is yes, please see the irony in what you are saying

If your answer is no, then you literally are the kind of guy I'm talking about in this thread who has self imposed restrictions that make it so that they can never get laid:

For one, a date doesn't necessarily require spending money. I always figured I'd take a woman on a walk to one of the nearby landscape points, or on a sports activity like rollerblading/skateboarding if I had the chance.
That aside, you really have to be autistic in order to not differentiate between spending time with someone who wants to spend time with you and someone who hates it, but does so only because of monetary compensation.
If you wanted to discuss something that you find interesting and feel passionate about, had noone to talk with but there was this service where someone will discuss anything with you for $50 an hour, do you think it'd be a satisfying experience?

Btw in case you missed @DeformAspergerCel 's post, I'd like to see what you think about it:

it's up to each individual to determine whether the shit they would have to go through in order to "ascend" is really worth it. The example that comes to mind is NEETandTidy. Clearly he took your logic to its extreme and thought that since biological foids wont accept him, he can't have that as a standard/prerequisite and decided to instead go for someone that would accept him, someone that was realistic for his looks range, namely a tranny. This would be the logically consistent thing to do according to your logic. This then begs the question, who's to say where the line is drawn? Am I volcel for refusing to fuck a 1000 pound whalebeast that I would have to take a bunch of viagra to even be able to fuck? Technically that would be my SMV match.

The sexual market is incredibly skewed thanks to modernity and I don't fault any man for opting out of playing this inherently unfair and laughably absurd Kafka esque game. In fact, sometimes, which the case of NEETandTidy illustrated, it's more honorable and, simply put, better if you do. Here's my definition of a volcel; if you can ascend with a human looking foid through tinder that you actually can get your dick hard to yet refuse it, you're a volcel

 

[Deleted member 15752]

You advocate for prostitution, that's the act of a transfer of wealth in exchange for sexual acts.

Boyo, there is no ascending you will come to this conclusion if you havent.
Either way, if you want to have sex you pay. It can either be through dates or prostitution. Nothing is free, so therefore there is no ascending. @BlkPillPres advocates for prostitution because thats what he finds suits best his situation, the same way people advocate that prostitution is not legit. At this stage its all about what you personally think ascending is and the same way he disagrees with you, you disagree with him. If he found that escortceling is legit, he will try to disprove the other side of the coin, same way you are trying right now to disprove his side of the coin. Its all about one adapting to the current hand he has been dealt by society. But to conclude, anyone that believes they can get free sex is a look in the mirror and comparison to Chad (the only one that gets sex for free). Dating is still another form transferring wealth, with only the guarantee of sex being reduced to a gamble.

 

[BlkPillPres]

You have to do in the current system, what you have to do, but individual action adds up to systemic consequences and the whole system should be toppled, and? What is even your point? Yeah like two people stopping won't do anything.

No not just two people, if ALL incels stopped paying for sex it would not affect the worth of the female body, it would take like 65% of the entire male population of the planet to stop paying women for sex (directly or indirectly) to affect their value. Ironically the only thing that can efficiently affect women's value is to go in the other direction, make paying for sex legal and make it a cultural norm for men to take part in it, that would reduce the collective SMV of all women since sex would be a more easily accessible resource and therefore worth less, and with more and more brothels and sex workers popping up competitive pricing would become a norm

So ironically the guys arguing theoretically against me are STILL WRONG, its actually the opposite that would reduced women's sexual worth, making paying for holes something that is common place is what will reduce their worth, not making it something fucking rare and hard to get, what kind of idiot logic is that

PROHIBITION IN AMERICA MADE ALCOHOL WORTH MORE MONEY NOT LESS MONEY, WHEN IT BECAME LEGAL AND MORE EASILY ACCESSIBLE IT BECAME CHEAP (common sense)

Also depending how true your sub8 theories really are. (a much more interesting question)

What sub8 theories?

 

[Deleted member 17811]

YOU WON'T TAKE AN AVERAGE WOMAN OUT ON A DATE

No. Why should I bother with paying for a date, driving her home then begging to take her out again? Dating is the most cucked thing you can do in contemporary society - the effort and resources it takes to attract a woman and turn that first date into a LTR with kids isn't worth it.
If whores want to fuck their way through their twenties (while not giving the time of day to ugly fucks like me) then settle down in their thirties, they can do that. But I'll never even try to play the game by dating some ugly/average looking slut just to get into a relationship.
I'll live in solitude until I finally blow my brains out.

 

[KilluminoidBR]

Ultra low IQ thread. And some people here put this OP as a "high IQ" member.

No surprise taking in consideration that even retardades like Ledgemund and mylifeistrash are considered high IQ by alot of people here.

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

No not just two people, if ALL incels stopped paying for sex it would not affect the worth of the female body, it would take like 65% of the entire male population of the planet to stop paying women for sex (directly or indirectly) to affect their value. Ironically the only thing that can efficiently affect women's value is to go in the other direction, make paying for sex legal and make it a cultural norm for men to take part in it, that would reduce the collective SMV of all women since sex would be a more easily accessible resource and therefore worth less, and with more and more brothels and sex workers popping up competitive pricing would become a norm

So ironically the guys arguing theoretically against me are STILL WRONG, its actually the opposite that would reduced women's sexual worth, making paying for holes something that is common place is what will reduce their worth, not making it something fucking rare and hard to get, what kind of idiot logic is that

PROHIBITION IN AMERICA MADE ALCOHOL WORTH MORE MONEY NOT LESS MONEY, WHEN IT BECAME LEGAL AND MORE EASILY ACCESSIBLE IT BECAME CHEAP (common sense)


But this is a non argument or at least obvious anyway. There are rules in the society and these are open up to discussion. After your logic people should just start murder each other again. This morale defeatism is just stupid.

What sub8 theories?

Prostituion got a bit cheaper here, but it's still much more than a living wage. Female worth is as high as ever. Guess some people's needs are not covered by this service alone?

It's either to expensive, not that widespread or not fullfilling enough (I would need more arguments for the positive effects of affection being just a placebo as well btw.).

Noone said to fully abolish prostitution (only in its current form)

Noone said change will come easy.

What sub8 theories? - That normies have to financially gigacuck themselves anyway equating dating to prostitution.

Your making far to many assumptions about users here and reality in general.

 

[BlkPillPres]

For one, a date doesn't necessarily require spending money. I always figured I'd take a woman on a walk to one of the nearby landscape points, or on a sports activity like rollerblading/skateboarding if I had the chance.

Is transportation going to be involved and whose primarily paying for it?

Is food going to be involved and who is primarily paying for it?

If sex is to take place who is primarily paying for contraception (condoms)?

At the end of the day, as a man, you are going to be footing most of the bill when it comes to the pursuit of sex, that's just a fact, using extreme exception to the rule examples like "going for a walk" is a cop out and an attempt to disingenously circumvent whats obvious, and even then it doesn't work, you really think any woman wants to go for a fucking walk, with an average/below average looking men to add to the ridiculousness, you've been watching too many movies, women go on walk dates with attractive men because they enjoy just being around the guy, dating for a normal man is about how you can entertain and excite her, you can't do that by just being around her like an attractive man can, so please stop with the delusions

That aside, you really have to be autistic in order to not differenciate between spending time with someone who wants to spend time with you and someone who hates it, but does so only because of monetary compensation.

You have to autistic to understand this, understand that you are incel and will never get this, and still impose such a restriction on yourself, its like a flightless bird saying it won't move more than 50 miles outside a certain radius unless it can fly, knowing full well it will never fly, you are doing this shit to yourself

If you wanted to discuss something that you find interesting and feel passionate about, had noone to talk with but there was this service where someone will discuss anything with you for $50 an hour, do you think it'd be a satisfying experience?

False analogy, depends on how much one enjoys discussing that thing, depends on the criteria of enjoyment tooo, the enjoyment one gets out of a discussion cannot be compared to orgasms from sex, so it being a satisfying experience depends on why you are doing it

Guys like you want sex because its validation from women (at least that's what you see it as), men like me want sex because its physically satisfying, so paying for sex won't satisfy your criteria of validation but it will satisfy my criteria of physical satisfaction

Btw in case you missed @DeformAspergerCel 's post, I'd like to see what you think about it:

I missed it, I will respond now

it's up to each individual to determine whether the shit they would have to go through in order to "ascend" is really worth it. The example that comes to mind is NEETandTidy. Clearly he took your logic to its extreme

That isn't my logic, its the exact opposite of my logic, my logic is to utilize a loophole whilst on the reservation, he left the reservation lol, what he did is in a completely seperate category from my logic

Dating > Prostitution > ???? (the next extreme step in my logic WOULD BE RAPING WOMEN, its the next step in circumventing female gate keeping of sex as a resource)

If you won't/can't date, your next choice is paying for sex, if you won't do either, the next choice is getting sex outside of dating where you also don't pay, that's rape, I don't see how you can say a next step is now going to fuck men

@NEETAndTidy did something in an entirely different category of my logic, he went to fuck men that larp as women

Here's my definition of a volcel; if you can ascend with a human looking foid through tinder that you actually can get your dick hard to yet refuse it, you're a volcel

The "through tinder" part needs to be removed because that is a huge limiting factor, basically only 6/10 men can be volcel at that point and its getting worse and worse, as you yourself said: "The sexual market is incredibly skewed thanks to modernity"

So with your criteria for volceldom, as time goes on, less and less men would be volcel, just by virture of failing on tinder

Come on dude, you know that makes no sense

 

[Hikikomori]

Boyo, there is no ascending you will come to this conclusion if you havent.
Either way, if you want to have sex you pay. It can either be through dates or prostitution. Nothing is free, so therefore there is no ascending. @BlkPillPres advocates for prostitution because thats what he finds suits best his situation, the same way people advocate that prostitution is not legit. At this stage its all about what you personally think ascending is and the same way he disagrees with you, you disagree with him. If he found that escortceling is legit, he will try to disprove the other side of the coin, same way you are trying right now to disprove his side of the coin. Its all about one adapting to the current hand he has been dealt by society. But to conclude, anyone that believes they can get free sex is a look in the mirror and comparison to Chad (the only one that gets sex for free). Dating is still another form transferring wealth, with only the guarantee of sex being reduced to a gamble.

My point is, he stated that he never said women should be paid for sex, while at the same time, advocating for prostitution. That's the same thing as paying women for sex ... to my understanding.

If one wants to engage in prostitution, that's their business. However, to call the rest of us volcels, because we personally do not ... is a bit over the top.

 

[Honeypot]

A lot of the users on this site seem to have deeply internalized self hatred and are essentially masochists in the way they live their lives, its as if in some way they get off on creating and imposing mental restrictions on themselves that deny them success and pleasure in life, and its like they are unaware of what they are doing to themselves, like its subconscious

The rulesets these men have placed on themselves means that they will remain sexually starved permavirgins, yet they come online everyday to complain about not getting sex, knowing full well the rulesets they restrict themselves by is what is actually keeping sex outside of their reach, it makes no sense to complain about a self imposed handicap, but its like they have some kind of mental block keeping them from making that connection and removing said handicap

I see a lot of users speaking as if they would never pay for sex due to moral or ego based reasons ON TOP OF saying/alluding to that they would never date either because "I would never take a whore out on a date", they are never specific about what their criteria of a whore is, as far as I'm concerned all women today are whores, you aren't going to find any virgins anymore so at the end of the day you are paying for used goods.

I once asked a user who said he'd refuse to pay for sex because he doesn't get validation, if he would pay for dates (to point out the obvious irony of paying to gamble rather than paying for a guarantee)

His response was that he would not date modern women either because of how they are today, yet complained as if him never having sex isn't something he imposed on himself

SO LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT

YOU WON'T PAY A WHORE FOR SEX
YOU WON'T TAKE AN AVERAGE WOMAN OUT ON A DATE
YOU LITERALLY EXPECT WOMEN TO JUST WALK UP TO YOU AND FUCK YOU (because chad gets to do that)

YET YOU AREN'T VOLCEL?

That is the very definition of a self fulfilling prophecy

A lot of this sites users are worse than feminists when it comes to logic (in some cases) and that's a feat in of itself. They have all these weird mentalcel self imposed restrictions that there is no way out of, the rules are purposefully set so that they will never get anything they want so that they can endlessly complain, its set so that they just have to remain a sexually starved permavirgin, these guys aren't operating on logic.

A lot of these guys speak as though women are literally just supposed to fall out of the sky onto their cock, some of these guys prove the "entitlement" meme feminists keep peddling around about incels, like they are larps doing it on purpose to spread a false narrative

I will never understand how someone gets to this point and can't be introspective enough to realize that they have locked themselves in a cage and they are holding the key, if you won't date, and you won't pay for sex, then you've closed off any oppurtunity to ever get sex, so why are you now complaining that you can't get sex, its makes no sense at all, its so confusing.

Not dating a woman with 1000 body count is volcelism.

You could have said it faster but you had to do mental gymnastics to make it look better.

And it isn't, that woman is only interested in money or another motive, not you that's certainly true.

And it's not like it would happen anyways we just express our delusions.

 

[Deleted member 15752]

If one wants to engage in prostitution, that's their business. However, to call the rest of us volcels, because we personally do not ... is a bit over the top.

You know, I will actually disagree with him and you. Ascending is just not real anymore, in theory yea it sounds like you can pull something but if one requires sex the same way as chad does its just delusion. Chad pays with his looks while you have nothing to pay with, so by default everything is involving money. The same way as people seek validation, what do you want to be validated for? Money? Bullshit, being validated for having money is meaningless. You can only be validated for looks which you do not have. So is there anything else you can ascend to? Can you ascend to being validated or getting free sex? No, because you are not good looking. Your ascension needs to cater to what you are being dealt with and the situation society puts you in, you just need to adapt to it. For sex, people take the escortcelling route and as for validation people make up things that validates them in their imagination. Both still dont achieve the same intended goal, but there is nothing you can do.

 

[blackcel]

If you are under the age of 25, or havent asked a single girl out in your life get the fuck off this site right now. This site is doing more harm than good for you.