Serious An Increasing Majority Of Incels On This Site Are Mentalcels (Self Fullfilling Prophecy)

[BlkPillPres]

A lot of the users on this site seem to have deeply internalized self hatred and are essentially masochists in the way they live their lives, its as if in some way they get off on creating and imposing mental restrictions on themselves that deny them success and pleasure in life, and its like they are unaware of what they are doing to themselves, like its subconscious

The rulesets these men have placed on themselves means that they will remain sexually starved permavirgins, yet they come online everyday to complain about not getting sex, knowing full well the rulesets they restrict themselves by is what is actually keeping sex outside of their reach, it makes no sense to complain about a self imposed handicap, but its like they have some kind of mental block keeping them from making that connection and removing said handicap

I see a lot of users speaking as if they would never pay for sex due to moral or ego based reasons ON TOP OF saying/alluding to that they would never date either because "I would never take a whore out on a date", they are never specific about what their criteria of a whore is, as far as I'm concerned all women today are whores, you aren't going to find any virgins anymore so at the end of the day you are paying for used goods.

I once asked a user who said he'd refuse to pay for sex because he doesn't get validation, if he would pay for dates (to point out the obvious irony of paying to gamble rather than paying for a guarantee)

His response was that he would not date modern women either because of how they are today, yet complained as if him never having sex isn't something he imposed on himself

SO LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT

YOU WON'T PAY A WHORE FOR SEX
YOU WON'T TAKE AN AVERAGE WOMAN OUT ON A DATE
YOU LITERALLY EXPECT WOMEN TO JUST WALK UP TO YOU AND FUCK YOU (because chad gets to do that)

YET YOU AREN'T VOLCEL?

That is the very definition of a self fulfilling prophecy

A lot of this sites users are worse than feminists when it comes to logic (in some cases) and that's a feat in of itself. They have all these weird mentalcel self imposed restrictions that there is no way out of, the rules are purposefully set so that they will never get anything they want so that they can endlessly complain, its set so that they just have to remain a sexually starved permavirgin, these guys aren't operating on logic.

A lot of these guys speak as though women are literally just supposed to fall out of the sky onto their cock, some of these guys prove the "entitlement" meme feminists keep peddling around about incels, like they are larps doing it on purpose to spread a false narrative

I will never understand how someone gets to this point and can't be introspective enough to realize that they have locked themselves in a cage and they are holding the key, if you won't date, and you won't pay for sex, then you've closed off any oppurtunity to ever get sex, so why are you now complaining that you can't get sex, its makes no sense at all, its so confusing.

 

[Nothingness]

I dont need "pleasures of life" i just want to destroy the world

 

[NoMoreSlaving]

Ah yes just your daily prostitution thread from @BlkPillPres as if that's the answer

 

[Unhappy-Man]

I may have permenatly enforced my inceldom by socially isolating myself tbh

 

[Deleted member 15752]

SO LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT

YOU WON'T PAY A WHORE FOR SEX
YOU WON'T TAKE AN AVERAGE WOMAN OUT ON A DATE
YOU LITERALLY EXPECT WOMEN TO JUST WALK UP TO YOU AND FUCK YOU (because chad gets to do that)

YET YOU AREN'T VOLCEL?

I agree.
Ok, lets say for example someone thinks they are above whores(which contradicts the I am the lowest of the low notion) but ok.
I never understoon the "I wont date an average woman" thing one bit, because first of all it requires payment. The same way as escorting does. And if you refuse to pay in both situations then you must have decent looks because you cannot get away for free, its just impossible as a non Chad.
Why would anyone reject a average woman just because she isnt the ideal one you want inside your brain?
Heck, why would you even refuse one point below you? (of course, there reaches a certain limit of self respect,. which some women truly do not have)

 

[Darth Cialis]

They are just volcels, true mentalcels are people who face rejection because of their autism and awkwardness.

 

[Justdone]

They are just volcels, true mentalcels are people who face rejection because of their autism and awkwardness.

Social abilities they never learned from anyone and now they’re socially isolated.

 

[Darth Cialis]

Social abilities they never learned from anyone and now they’re socially isolated.

Perhaps they were just legit impaired in acquiring them.

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

Bit much hyperbole. So you believe normos won't be able to get a foid without delivering an extremely one sided sugar daddy experience AT ALL? In that case I would genuinly have to reconsider the decision not to fuck whores. Sounds like rephrased sub8 theory to me so far though.

Besides that I am still waiting on a more in depth explanation concerning the psychological consequences of a lack of emotional closeness being a nocebo. It's simply contradictory with all what I encountered about psychology so far. Your proposed robot example woud simply be a proxy for said needs and not a proof for their non existence. In case you are right, ye I guess I would be currently a volcel (more or less) and should try to rewire my brain.

Why shouldn't you be allowed to criticize the system, if you are not okay with it's structure in detail? "Ehhh you can fuck so stfu"??? This black and white thinking kinda pisses me off ngl.

My standards are as low as it gets, but no ty to golddiggers of any kind.

 

[Deleted member 12355]

A lot of these guys speak as though women are literally just supposed to fall out of the sky onto their cock

This is what happens if you're fuckable. Not literally of course, but the easiest way to test if you're incel is to install Tinder, upload a few pics and start swiping. Especially if you're an aspie without a social circle like 90% of users here. It's literally that simple to ascend if you have the looks for it. No one "works" for their ascension, it just comes their way as the result of being good looking

 

[josh]

I agree

 

[BlkPillPres]

Ah yes just your daily prostitution thread from @BlkPillPres as if that's the answer

You see it as a prostitution thread, I see it as a pointing out logical inconsistency thread, prostitution just happens to be a core issue in which men with contradictory and illogical view points show their true face

Ok, lets say for example someone thinks they are above whores(which contradicts the I am the lowest of the low notion)

Like @Eskimocel said, you idiots can't have it both ways, you can't in one thread be - "Its over for me, incels are the lowest of the low, I'm such a subhuman"

and then in another thread say

"I'm above paying for sex"

That's extremely contradictory, you can't have it both ways, a lot of you guys are operating on emotions not logic, if you are the lowest of the low, an incel, then you aren't above paying for sex, its right up your alley, you guys want to exist in some weird "superposition" (like schrodingers cat) where you are both Chad and Incel, you place mental restrictions on yourself like Chad would and then complain about inceldom, its completely retarded

I never understoon the "I wont date an average woman" thing one bit, because first of all it requires payment.

Exactly, even dating is prostitution, to say otherwise is to lie, at the end of the day men pay women for companionship and sex

This is what happens if you're fuckable. Not literally of course, but the easiest way to test if you're incel is to install Tinder

I'm sure it is as easy as this, and that's my point, these guys aren't chad, they know they aren't chad, they come online every day to say shit like - "its over, I'm subhuman" yet they contradict themselves and act as if they aren't subhuman, and place Chad restrictions on themselves, they aren't logically consistent

 

[Napoleon de Geso]

Have fear of change, yes, when see cute girl, when have hope of her being different (what she is not, just another spoiled cunt, rejecting me).
But thats doesn not mean I should go for ugly femoids, fuck them (not in sexual way)
Maybe will use prostitutes one day, but they must be not ugly. No ugly femoids, waifus or prostitutes
People forgetting that being incel is also inability to get love, not just sex, and I have no love for ugly femoids and dont need their love either. And not interested in low value sex with uglies at all

Cute becky loli is my standard, anything above is unnecessary luxury, anything below is powerty to be avoided

 

[mental_out]

By this logic you should be open to cuckolding since it's still sex, so volcel if you wouldn't enter an open relationship

 

[Player]

So I am the lowest of the whites. Nice.

 

[Villain]

yea many of us are self-hating others are just larping, saying words they really dont mean

 

[Deleted member 17724]

I may have permenatly enforced my inceldom by socially isolating myself tbh

 

[GreaseCel]

I as well feel like a solid portion of the forum is probably not truecel.

 

[Player]

YOU WON'T PAY A WHORE FOR SEX
YOU WON'T TAKE AN AVERAGE WOMAN OUT ON A DATE
YOU LITERALLY EXPECT WOMEN TO JUST WALK UP TO YOU AND FUCK YOU

Have no money for whore. Dated below average girls. Been rejected by the girl after she walk up into me herself. There is no way to win.

 

[StaroRavager]

This place is infested with volcels, that much is certain

 

[ElliotRodgerGod]

By this logic you should be open to cuckolding since it's still sex, so volcel if you wouldn't enter an open relationship

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

You see it as a prostitution thread, I see it as a pointing out logical inconsistency thread, prostitution just happens to be a core issue in which men with contradictory and illogical view points show their true face

Like @Eskimocel said, you idiots can't have it both ways, you can't in one thread be - "Its over for me, incels are the lowest of the low, I'm such a subhuman"

and then in another thread say

"I'm above paying for sex"

That's extremely contradictory, you can't have it both ways, a lot of you guys are operating on emotions not logic, if you are the lowest of the low, an incel, then you aren't above paying for sex, its right up your alley, you guys want to exist in some weird "superposition" (like schrodingers cat) where you are both Chad and Incel, you place mental restrictions on yourself like Chad would and then complain about inceldom, its completely retarded

Exactly, even dating is prostitution, to say otherwise is to lie, at the end of the day men pay women for companionship and sex

I'm sure it is as easy as this, and but that's my point, these guys aren't chad, they know they aren't chad, they come online every day to say shit like - "its over, I'm subhuman" yet they contradict themselves and act as if they aren't subhuman, and place Chad restrictions on themselves, they aren't logically consistent

There is a difference between:
1) Being a subhuman in the eyes of other people (and maybe internalizing it) based on arbitrary evolutionary standards , that are irrelevant today aside being a catch 22.
and
2) rational subhumanity however you would measure it and even then it would be questionable if this isn't a result of systemic flaws.

Rejecting systemically damaging actions or structures is therefore no contradiction.

 

[Gangsta Rape]

YOU LITERALLY EXPECT WOMEN TO JUST WALK UP TO YOU AND FUCK YOU (because chad gets to do that)

Chads are not the only ones who can easily get a partner. All foids (50% of population) can easily get any man they wish. Why should I agree to average woman (I actually agree to average woman, but lets suppose I don't) or resort to prostitution when 55% of population never done that? I simply don't think that I'm lower than foids and chads. Beatiful women owe me to jump on my dick simply because chads jump on ugly foids. It's only fair. also this:

By this logic you should be open to cuckolding since it's still sex, so volcel if you wouldn't enter an open relationship

 

[TheReaper]

I avoid even formal interactions because I'm unable of being functional around foregin people, so I already know that visiting an escort would give me more anxiety than pleasure.
I don't do it because for me there are more downsides than benefits.
I just wanted to point out that not everyone on the forum thinks:
"if chad can do it for free I should be able to do the same"

 

[Subhuman Gamercel]

As a mentalcel, I see your point. Would lie if I said I tried my hardest to escape inceldom.

In my case Im just affected by previous background plus the Blackpill that made me fall in a nihilistic POV of the world. I just ask myself "for what im gonna do this?" with everything including sex/relationships. It sucks because Im in the middle of self-conciousness about my situation and becoming a total sociopath and quit everything. Add to this the pass of time and I may reach point of no return.

My looks dont help tho and I have a couple of real mental issues that I dont wanna share here.

 

[Dropbox]

Yeah, I don't bother even trying with women, haven't in a long time, and do my best to ignore them.

I just find it cathartic to vent about it.

There's still the impulse to look for answers even though I know why I'm alone, being an unattractive sperg with childhood trauma. It really is every bit that simple. Even if I found some magic spell to stop being an unattractive sperg with psychological damage my profound trust issues, and gap in experience presents another vast chasm to cross.

If that gap was bridged one then has to deal with other realities of dating. There's STDs, false rape accusations, and unplanned children. Finally, in the end she's always going to cheat on you with chad. Don't even get me started on marriage.

Further, after all my hard work to better myself, why should I entertain a woman just because she has a moist hole and exists? What else exactly do they offer? I'm certain sex, like everything else, becomes boring after a time. I don't need or want a surrogate mommy to take care of me either, I'm a grown man with my own life. Why should I tolerate a potential dependent that's going to feel entitled to my money?

I just want my AI gf please.

 

[NoMoreSlaving]

You see it as a prostitution thread, I see it as a pointing out logical inconsistency thread, prostitution just happens to be a core issue in which men with contradictory and illogical view points show their true face

Prostitution is just for stimulating your penis, which can be done with a fleshlight just as well. In other words it is useless. There is only one thing which can help relieve the pain and that is female affection. Real affection not just having sex for 1 hour then leaving after you pay

 

[Deleted member 12355]

You see it as a prostitution thread, I see it as a pointing out logical inconsistency thread, prostitution just happens to be a core issue in which men with contradictory and illogical view points show their true face



Like @Eskimocel said, you idiots can't have it both ways, you can't in one thread be - "Its over for me, incels are the lowest of the low, I'm such a subhuman"

and then in another thread say

"I'm above paying for sex"

That's extremely contradictory, you can't have it both ways, a lot of you guys are operating on emotions not logic, if you are the lowest of the low, an incel, then you aren't above paying for sex, its right up your alley, you guys want to exist in some weird "superposition" (like schrodingers cat) where you are both Chad and Incel, you place mental restrictions on yourself like Chad would and then complain about inceldom, its completely retarded



Exactly, even dating is prostitution, to say otherwise is to lie, at the end of the day men pay women for companionship and sex





I'm sure it is as easy as this, and but that's my point, these guys aren't chad, they know they aren't chad, they come online every day to say shit like - "its over, I'm subhuman" yet they contradict themselves and act as if they aren't subhuman, and place Chad restrictions on themselves, they aren't logically consistent

it's up to each individual to determine whether the shit they would have to go through in order to "ascend" is really worth it. The example that comes to mind is NEETandTidy. Clearly he took your logic to its extreme and thought that since biological foids wont accept him, he can't have that as a standard/prerequisite and decided to instead go for someone that would accept him, someone that was realistic for his looks range, namely a tranny. This would be the logically consistent thing to do according to your logic. This then begs the question, who's to say where the line is drawn? Am I volcel for refusing to fuck a 1000 pound whalebeast that I would have to take a bunch of viagra to even be able to fuck? Technically that would be my SMV match.

The sexual market is incredibly skewed thanks to modernity and I don't fault any man for opting out of playing this inherently unfair and laughably absurd Kafka esque game. In fact, sometimes, which the case of NEETandTidy illustrated, it's more honorable and, simply put, better if you do. Here's my definition of a volcel; if you can ascend with a human looking foid through tinder that you actually can get your dick hard to yet refuse it, you're a volcel

 

[BlkPillPres]

By this logic you should be open to cuckolding since it's still sex, so volcel if you wouldn't enter an open relationship

I don't see how that logically follows, you seem to be taking quite a few leaps in logic there, especially since having a woman costs money anyways, so you would still be paying for sex as a cuck, on top of paying for someone else to get laid.

I don't think most of you even think your arguments through before posting them, its like you just type whatever pops into your head, what you said here doesn't make any sense

If you are unwilling to make direct payments for sex (prostitution) and you are unwilling to make indirect payments for sex (dating), then you should not be surprised you can't get sex, nor should you complain about never getting sex, your self imposed restrictions are whats keeping you from getting laid

I don't see how by that logic one should be willing to pay for someone else to get laid, when the entire point of the argument is that someone is unwilling to pay TO GET THEMSELVES LAID, you really didn't think this through did you?

 

[stravinsky]

By this logic you should be open to cuckolding since it's still sex, so volcel if you wouldn't enter an open relationship

 

[mental_out]

I don't see how that logically follows, you seem to be taking quite a few leaps in logic there, especially since having a woman costs money anyways, so you would still be paying for sex as a cuck, on top of paying for someone else to get laid.

I don't think most of you even think your arguments through before posting them, its like you just type whatever pops into your head, what you said here doesn't make any sense

If you are unwilling to make direct payments for sex (prostitution) and you are unwilling to make indirect payments for sex (dating), then you should not be surprised you can't get sex, nor should you complain about never getting sex, your self imposed restrictions are whats keeping you from getting laid

I don't see how by that logic one should be willing to pay for someone else to get laid, when the entire point of the argument is that someone is unwilling to pay TO GET THEMSELVES LAID, you really didn't think this through did you?

Your entire argument just seems to be based on this cope that all men pay for sex, which isn't true, only cucks and betabux pay for sex.

By all means, let women use you for your money while they live lives of luxury on your back, but that's still a cucked thing to do.

 

[Deleted member 15752]

The sexual market is incredibly skewed thanks to modernity and I don't fault any man for opting out of playing this inherently unfair and laughably absurd Kafka esque game. In fact, sometimes, which the case of NEETandTidy illustrated, it's more honorable and, simply put, better if you do. Here's my definition of a volcel; if you can ascend with a human looking foid through tinder that you actually can get your dick hard to yet refuse it, you're a volcel

You are spot on here tbh. I dont think NEETandTidy gives a fuck if anyone calls him cuck. In his mind he has ascended. Some expect fairytail candyland unicorn while others want to fuck bottom of the barrel trash. Do you see how skewed "ascending" is because of how the sexual market is set out?

 

[BlkPillPres]

Prostitution is just for stimulating your penis, which can be done with a fleshlight just as well.

If you have had sex, enjoyable sex, you'd understand why what you're saying here is complete Bs, it can't even be compared

I had a normie friend who I once told that porn would always be enough and I don't see why guys bother dating, I had only been masturbating for about a year or so at that point and it was great, couldn't see it "getting old" at all, he laughed and told me that I was wrong and I'd see why at some point, I told him it would never happen, HE WAS RIGHT

The thing is, you spend enough time jerking off watching people enjoy sex, and bit by bit over time you want to enjoy it yourself, and the act of masturbation slowly over months and months becomes less and less enjoyable, its still physically enjoyable, but not it isn't that great, the first time fucked a whore I came so hard by legs were shaking, you are kidding or ignorant if you think a fleshlight is going to match the experience of fucking a woman, talk about coping, you can't be serious

Take it from a guy who said to himself and others that without a doubt porn would be enough for the rest of his life, I learned how wrong I was first hand

>Inb4 - "just don't masturbate to porn, masturbate to nothingness, just close your eyes and jerk off to darkness" JFL

At that point why even bother masturbating, it would be a struggle to reach orgasm, I'd more likely just go get medicated and chemically castrated myself

There is only one thing which can help relieve the pain and that is female affection

You guys need to stop projecting your female worship and idolizing mindset onto others

Like I keep saying, the problem is you guys worship and revere women, its clear from your mindset and they way you speak about them, you guys don't see women as something to be attained and used, you see them as your judges, your goddesses basically, someone whose standards you must live up to in order to find happiness, with a mental restriction like that on an ugly man, you've predetermined that you will never find happiness and its like you don't even realize that, you have self imposed restrictions that will keep you from ever gaining satisfaction

 

[mental_out]

If you have had sex, enjoyable sex, you'd understand why what you're saying here is complete Bs, it can't even be compared

I had a normie friend who I once told that porn would always be enough and I don't see why guys bother dating, I had only been masturbating for about a year or so at that point and it was great, couldn't see it "getting old" at all, he laughed and told me that I was wrong and I'd see why at some point, I told him it would never happen, HE WAS RIGHT

The thing is, you spend enough time jerking off watching people enjoy sex, and bit by bit over time you want to enjoy it yourself, and the act of masturbation slowly over months and months becomes less and less enjoyable, its still physically enjoyable, but not it isn't that great, the first time fucked a whore I came so hard by legs were shaking, you are kidding or ignorant if you think a fleshlight is going to match the experience of fucking a woman, talk about coping, you can't be serious

Take it from a guy who said to himself and others that without a doubt porn would be enough for the rest of his life, I learned how wrong I was first hand

>Inb4 - "just don't masturbate to porn, masturbate to nothingness, just close your eyes and jerk off to darkness" JFL

At that point why even bother masturbating, it would be a struggle to reach orgasm, I'd more likely just go get medicated and chemically castrated myself





You guys need to stop projecting your female worship and idolizing mindset onto others

Like I keep saying, the problem is you guys worship and revere women, its clear from your mindset and they way you speak about them, you guys don't see women as something to be attained and used, you see them as your judges, your goddesses basically, someone whose standards you must live up to in order to find happiness, with a mental restriction like that on an ugly man, you've predetermined that you will never find happiness and its like you don't even realize that, you have self imposed restrictions that will keep you from ever gaining satisfaction

I don't see how they're worshipping women when you're the one giving women money to have sex with them. If you think women are so amazing that you should have to pay just to put your dick in them then you're ultimately closer to worshipping them than they are.

The reason they won't pay is because they realise women aren't as amazing as they think they are, and thus don't deserve money for something as basic as having sex.

 

[TheGambler2]

I would call them MGTOW volcels,not mentalcels.I was born with mental disorders and was always the "weird" or awkward kid who couldn't connect with others and understand even basic social cues.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Your entire argument just seems to be based on this cope that all men pay for sex, which isn't true, only cucks and betabux pay for sex.

You see this is why I like to be specific when it comes to an argument, because when you get into the specifics and define all the necessary terms, a flawed argument starts falling apart

1. What do you mean by "pay for sex" - Is buying gifts, paying bills, etc included as "paying for sex" (indirect) or do you only consider direct payment (prostitution) paying for sex?

2. What percentage of men would you say "pay for sex"?

By all means, let women use you for your money

They are using me for money and I'm using them for sex, seems like an honest interaction to me, more honest than dating tbh.

while they live lives of luxury on your back, but that's still a cucked thing to do.

JFL I think you are confusing "E-Whores" that get money for selling nudes and whores that do actual "sex work", these women are not living lives of "luxury", where do you guys even come up with this BS, seriously, I'm asking a serious question, what information or experience in life led to you even thinking this was true?

 

[Alone75]

Yeah I reject average women for dates all the time and landwhales are begging for my dick, just lol. Not all of us have hookers near by either or easily accessible and you'd still be incel because you had to pay and she wasn't really attracted.

Going without since adolescence and being treated dreadfully by foids and people in general can have a bad effect on mental health and manifest disorders that weren't there before - cause and effect.

Keep spouting your BS though.

 

[mental_out]

You see this is why I like to be specific when it comes to an argument, because when you get into the specifics and define all the necessary terms, a flawed argument starts falling apart

1. What do you mean by "pay for sex" - Is buying gifts, paying bills, etc included as "paying for sex" (indirect) or do you only consider direct payment (prostitution) paying for sex?

2. What percentage of men would you say "pay for sex"?



They are using me for money and I'm using them for sex, seems like an honest interaction to me, more honest than dating tbh.



JFL I think you are confusing "E-Whores" that get money for selling nudes and whores that do actual "sex work", these women are not living lives of "luxury", where do you guys even come up with this BS, seriously, I'm asking a serious question, what information or experience in life led to you even thinking this was true?

Lol plenty of prostitutes make mad bux from their stuff, many can make thousands in a week.

And if you're attractive you won't have to buy them loads of shit, they'll fuck you any way, or you'll get free one night stands. The only people who pay are cucked men. Honestly you ideas are no different from the people who enter into open relationships because they think that's the only way they'll be able to keep a woman around. Maybe it is if you're unattractive, but she's ultimately just using you and you're an idiot for falling for it if you do.

 

[Invalidusername]

Prostitution is haram

 

[Gangsta Rape]

They are using me for money and I'm using them for sex, seems like an honest interaction to me, more honest than dating tbh.

You lose lots of money when you "use" them. They lose nothing. Cucked.

JFL I think you are confusing "E-Whores" that get money for selling nudes and whores that do actual "sex work", these women are not living lives of "luxury"

$ an hour * clients a day = luxury

 

[BlkPillPres]

I don't see how they're worshipping women when you're the one giving women money to have sex with them.

You're worshipping them because you are pedastalizing them by favoring the importance of their judgement over you as a person, rather than faovring their use to you as an object. I don't think I can be more specific than that. You guys worship women, because you LITERALLY VALUE THEIR JUDGEMENT OF YOU RATHER THAN THEIR USE TO YOU. That's no different than how a religious person wants to please their God regardless of whether their God provides for them, you have reverence for women.

If you think women are so amazing that you should have to pay just to put your dick in them then you're ultimately closer to worshipping them than they are.

Nice attempt at a strawman, allow me to completely dismantle it

Do you think water is such an amazing thing that you SHOULD have to pay a water bill to have access to it, or are you merely paying for a convenience because that's the way it is supplied and "that's the way the world works"

I've always found it weird that we as humans pay for running water, you are essentially paying for something that is free, what you are paying for isn't the thing itself, but the way that thing is supplied ("running water"). When you are paying for sex, you aren't just paying for the sex, you are paying to skip all the BS that is usually required to get sex, all the mind games, all the strings attached, etc, most importantly the judgement of your physical attractiveness, which is the strongest and primary gate blocking one from getting sex, you are skipping all of that shit

Nobody is paying for sex because we think women are "amazing", nobody is paying their water bill because they actually think "running water" is amazing, you are simply paying for the convenience of a good/service being provided to you in an easily accessible way.

You are just being disingenuous and going out of your way to strawman the mindset of someone paying for sex, as though they are consciously thinking that women are so amazing they are worth paying for, no they aren't but that's the rules of the game, so you can play or you can just complain and get nothing

I find myself having to repeat this analogy to you idiots, like you have no common sense, there are rules at play, my choices have nothing to do with how much I value something, they have to do with the rules at play, if the price of food in your country goes up by 10% you still buying food doesn't mean you think its worth that much, it just means you understand the rules and you want to eat food, by your logic a person in that situation should just starve, that just isn't logical

The problem you guys have is that you still think of women as "people", so you are still focused on who they are giving what to and how much easier it is for another person to get it, I don't care about those other people, I just care about getting what I want lol

Imagine there's fruit in a tall tree (well tall for you)

A tall man can simply walk up to the tree and pick the fruit (Chad)

An athletic yet short man (around your height) will climb up the tree and maneuver to reach and pick the fruit (Normie)

You might be short and weak, so you'll have to go get tools, like a stool, or maybe buy a ladder to reach and pick the fruit (Incel)

Everybody wants that fruit, but not everybody is going to be equipped to get the fruit the same way, because there's criteria to be met to pick it

So you can do whats necessary to get the fruit, or you can waste your time endlessly complaining about the fact that you aren't tall enough to just pick the fruit or strong enough to scale the tree and pick it

Which seems more logical to you?

The reason they won't pay is because they realise women aren't as amazing as they think they are, and thus don't deserve money for something as basic as having sex.

I agree women aren't amazing, nobody ever made that claim but you in your sad attempts at strawmanning the other side, also there is no such thing as DESERVE, my signature exists for idiots like you, you don't deserve anything, nobody does. You just get what you get, or what you take for yourself, there is no "deserve", only egoists actually believe such a thing exists because they want to think highly of themselves and see others as beneath them.

You lose lots of money when you "use" them. They lose nothing. Cucked.

Depends on the "outlet", would you consider $30 for 30 mins expensive?

How much do you think a man spends on dating relative to the amount of sex he gets in minutes, I'd bet my life a dating man spends more and gets less sex, especially with the busy lives humans live today when it comes to work and careers.

$ an hour * clients a day = luxury

Again depends on the outlet, also if that deal is so great, let me ask you, would you fuck an endless stream of women you find unattractive for that "luxury", if that "luxury" is such a great thing, you would surely take it I'm assuming?

Spoiler: JFL

I just noticed your username, nice one lol

 

[mental_out]

You're worshipping them because you are pedastalizing them by favoring the importance of their judgement over you as a person, rather than faovring their use to you as an object. I don't think I can be more specific than that. You guys worship women, because you LITERALLY VALUE THEIR JUDGEMENT OF YOU RATHER THAN THEIR USE TO YOU. That's no different than how a religious person wants to please their God regardless of whether their God provides for them.



Nice attempt at a strawman, allow me to completely dismantle it

Do you think water is such an amazing thing that you SHOULD have to pay a water bill to have access to it, or are you merely paying for a convenience because that's the way it is supplied and "that's the way the world works"

I've always found it weird that we as humans pay for running water, you are essentially paying for something that is free, what you are paying for isn't the thing itself, but the way that thing is supplied ("running water"). When you are paying for sex, you aren't just paying for the sex, you are paying to skip all the BS that is usually required to get sex, all the mind games, all the strings attached, etc, most importantly the judgement of your physical attractiveness, which is the strongest and primary gate blocking one from getting sex, you are skipping all of that shit

Nobody is paying for sex because we think women are "amazing", nobody is paying their water bill because they actually think "running water" is amazing, you are simply paying for the convenience of a good/service being provided to you in an easily accessible way.

You are just being disingenuous and going out of your way to strawman the mindset of someone paying for sex, as though they are consciously thinking that women are so amazing they are worth paying for, no they aren't but that's the rules of the game, so you can play or you can just complain and get nothing

I find myself having to repeat this analogy to you idiots, like you have no common sense, there are rules at play, my choices have nothing to do with how much I value something, they have to do with the rules at play, if the price of food in your country goes up by 10% you still buying food doesn't mean you think its worth that much, it just means you understand the rules and you want to eat food, by your logic a person in that situation should just starve, that just isn't logical





I agree women aren't amazing, nobody ever made that claim but you in your sad attempts at strawmanning the other side, also there is no such thing as DESERVE, my signature exists for idiots like you, you don't deserve anything, nobody does. You just get what you get, or what you take for yourself, there is no "deserve", only egoists actually believe such a thing exists because they want to think highly of themselves and see others as beneath them.

The water bill analogy is awful, water is consumable, women are not consumable, they don't lose anything from fucking someone. So straight away your logic is awful. Pretty much being paid to have fun by idiots.You're pretty much implying that sex with men is some kind of burden for women, implying men are worth less than women and should thus have to pay for it. Pure cuckoldry.

All paying for it does is continues to play into the idea that women are more valuable than men, and that men should have to sacrifice assets for the privilege of being around them or fucking them. And then people wonder why their egos are so inflated.

 

[BlkPillPres]

The water bill analogy is awful, water is consumable, women are not consumable, they don't lose anything from fucking someone. So straight away your logic is awful.

The lose time, sexual market value, and money. Since the male libido is stronger females are worth more sexually than men, that's just a fact of reality, you can pretend its not true but it is, just as since men are physically stronger than women they're worth more in the line of defense, security, military, physical labor, etc.

How many female body guards do you see in front of clubs?, do you get the point, sexual dimorphism is a thing, the differences between the sexes determine their worth in various aspects, there are aspects in which women are worth more than men, and aspects in which men are worth more than women.

For example of a plague spread across the planet and wiped out a significant portion of the human race, guess who is going to be favored for access to "bunkers" to wait out the plague, women, because you need women to reproduce, but with a few men you can get that job done, you don't need many men. That's why the "women and children first" rule exists, its built around a culture of favouring women for their reproductive value and favoring children for carrying on the species

Take for example the results of China's one child policy, when that rule was imposed (notice how rules determine choices retard), parents started aborting female children like crazy, because a son is worth more economically, there is cultural favoritisim for males in asian culture, and because of that the male to female ratio changed by extremes as less women were born than men

Pretty much being paid to have fun by idiots

I doubt fucking men you aren't attracted to is fun

implying men are worth less than women and should thus have to pay for it. Pure cuckoldry.

When it comes to sex and reproduction, MEN ARE WORTH LESS THAN WOMEN. This is common sense, you need to face reality

All paying for it does is continues to play into the idea that women are more valuable than men

When it comes to sex they are, you sound like a feminist and you don't even realize it

"Favoring male applicants for the police force and military is sexist and plays into the idea that men are more valuable than women"

MEN ARE MORE VALUABLE THAN WOMEN IN THAT ASPECT, THAT'S A FACT

 

[Hikikomori]

The water bill analogy is awful, water is consumable, women are not consumable, they don't lose anything from fucking someone. So straight away your logic is awful. Pretty much being paid to have fun by idiots.You're pretty much implying that sex with men is some kind of burden for women, implying men are worth less than women and should thus have to pay for it. Pure cuckoldry.

All paying for it does is continues to play into the idea that women are more valuable than men, and that men should have to sacrifice assets for the privilege of being around them or fucking them. And then people wonder why their egos are so inflated.

Yes, the fact is, they aren't worth mens resources. They THINK they're worth mens resources, because people like OP are more than willing to hand the resources over to them, in exchange for something that SHOULD be free.

We are where we are, because people like OP here ... keep propping whores up with resources. As long as men are giving their resources to females ... we are forever stuck in this loop.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Yes, the fact is, they aren't worth mens resources. They THINK they're worth mens resources, because people like OP are more than willing to hand the resources over to them, in exchange for something that SHOULD be free.

We are where we are, because people like OP here ... keep propping whores up with resources. As long as men are giving their resources to females ... we are forever stuck in this loop.

There is no such thing as inherent worth, worth is collectively decided based upon circumstances, like I said to the other idiot, if the price of all food went up in your country by 10%, and you still bought food, that doesn't mean you THINK the food is worth that price, you are just abiding by the rules of worth established by the collective of society, I mean you could just starve and don't eat any food.

You guys are speaking as if you don't exist in reality JFL, like you have no common sense, we don't have magical powers to just wish a new ruleset into existence or get rid of current established values of worth for the sexes, the rules exist, adapt to them or do without, but don't act as if we can just change them by simply not taking part, that's a cope and an idiotic one at that

You guys are operating on emotions not logic, and you can't see past your ego to make a choice that is beneficial to you

 

[Emergency Manual]

Escorts aren’t even a option for me, I’m too disgusting and disabled to even pay for sex and their is nothing I can do about it.

 

[Hikikomori]

There is no such thing as inherent worth, worth is collectively decided based upon circumstances, like I said to the other idiot, if the price of all food went up in your country by 10%, and you still bought food, that doesn't mean you THINK the food is worth that price, you are just abiding by the rules of worth established by the collective of society, I mean you could just starve and don't eat any food.

You guys are speaking as if you don't exist in reality JFL, like you have no common sense, we don't have magical powers to just wish a new ruleset into existence or get rid of current established values of worth for the sexes, the rules exist, adapt to them or do without, but don't act as if we can just change them by simply not taking part, that's a cope and an idiotic one at that

You guys are operating on emotions not logic, and you can't see past your ego to make a choice that is beneficial to you

If "seeing past my ego" requires me to transfer the money i have to women, then i'll keep my ego. Why should i PAY for a service that should be free ? Do you realize what you're doing ? By giving money for pussy, you're not only allowing women to control the sexual market, you're in fact raising the price of it. Once something has been established as having monitary value, the price usually goes up. Anyone who sells a product can tell you that.

 

[mental_out]

The lose time, sexual market value, and money. Since the male libido is stronger females are worth more sexually than men, that's just a fact of reality, you can pretend its not true but it is, just as since men are physically stronger than women they're worth more in the line of defense, security, military, physical labor, etc.

How many female body guards do you see in front of clubs?, do you get the point, sexual dimorphism is a thing, the differences between the sexes determine their worth in various aspects, there are aspects in which women are worth more than men, and aspects in which men are worth more than women.

For example of a plague spread across the planet and wiped out a significant portion of the human race, guess who is going to be favored for access to "bunkers" to wait out the plague, women, because you need women to reproduce, but with a few men you can get that job done, you don't need many men. That's why the "women and children first" rule exists, its built around a culture of favouring women for their reproductive value and favoring children for carrying on the species

Take for example the results of China's one child policy, when that rule was imposed (notice how rules determine choices retard), parents started aborting female children like crazy, because a son is worth more economically, there is cultural favoritisim for males in asian culture, and because of that the male to female ratio changed by extremes as less women were born than men



I doubt fucking men you aren't attracted to is fun



When it comes to sex and reproduction, MEN ARE WORTH LESS THAN WOMEN. This is common sense, you need to face reality



When it comes to sex they are, you sound like a feminist and you don't even realize it

"Favoring male applicants for the police force and military is sexist and plays into the idea that men are more valuable than women"

MEN ARE MORE VALUABLE THAN WOMEN IN THAT ASPECT, THAT'S A FACT

Men are more valuable than women, but should also have to pay for the privilege of being with a woman? Seems a bit contradictory to me lol. Why would I want to give money to someone who apparently sees me as a subhuman burden who should have to pay just to be in their presence.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Why should i PAY for a service that should be free?

1. When has sex ever been free, there are penguins paying bitches in rocks to get to fuck, prostitution is fundamental to a mammals existence, its innate to the interaction between the sexes, what are you even talking about


The way I look at it, everything is a resource, even looks are a currency, so even the people who you say aren't paying (Chads) are paying, they are just paying in a currency they were born with more of than you have and the didn't have to work for it, no different than someone being born into a rich family with a trust fund

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The way I look at it, everything is a resource, even looks, money is just the modern common unit of resource representation. Think of looks as a currency (L) and money also as a currency ($), L is just a currency that is worth more, but that's because its a very scarce resource that cannot be...

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2. Who decides what SHOULD and SHOULDN'T be free?

Let me guess, you decide, for everyone (how convenient)

I say let the market decide, and if the market has determined that sex costs money, then maybe the market is right, men paying for sex isn't anything new either way, we've always done just that, in the past men even bought wives, we didn't have all these ridiculous delusions of "falling in love", we understood that most all things are transactional

You guys don't see the irony that modern masculinity has been feminized, so the mindset that you have now and think is masculine, is a feminized version of masculinity, men of the past weren't really chasing after "love" and "female affection", fathers promised their daughters to men, because we understood that anyone can commit to virtually anyone, "love" doesn't mean anything, your wife will learn to "love" you, it doesn't matter who you marry, whether its for political reasons, business reasons, etc

You have a female mindset and you don't even realize it

 

[SilverShards]

The 80/20 rule probably applies to this as well. 80% of incels are self-imposed volcels.