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Actual life advice to ugly teenagers.

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I'm coming to an age where I sense my death is near. I am not that old, but I have an eerie feeling I must do some good before my untimely end.

Before dying, I want to impart some words of advice to young males. My life is mostly a car crash due to errors I made out of ignorance when I was a teen. They say that some people live just to give examples of what not to do to others. This will make me feel I've had a positive impact on the world, even if extremely slim.

If you're coming to this forum on a regular basis, chances are that you are not physically attractive. If you were very physically attractive, you'd already have received signs of interest from girls at school or in other places: eager displays of curiosity about you, eager laughing at your slightest joke, eager desire to include you in social activities.

What does an ugly boy do? What does an ugly boy do to avoid transforming an unlucky life into a car crash?

1) Everything you have been told about love, romance and sex is wrong. It doesn't "just happen". It's not about "finding the right person". Humans are mammals. In all mammal species, females have far more value than males. They are more coveted, more an object of competition. This is because pregnancy takes out a female from the reproductive market for at least a year, making fertile females rare. In contrast, males produce sperm on a continuous basis and can reproduce with an infinity of partners. The comparative rarity of fertile females makes them have high value for males, and very picky about their choice of mate. Have you ever seen male animals fighting to the death for a female on TV? The same applies to humans to a lesser extent because we have retained most of these mechanisms in our brains. Chimpanzees, who are genetically extremely close to us, form a violent society where access to young females is given only to the strongest and healthiest males. If you're not a high-quality mate, a high-quality mate will get the girl and not you. Does this sound horrible to you? Depressing? Do you think that if you love a girl hard enough, she will love you back? Well this grim view is closer to the truth than fairyland bluepilling. Even in the Disney movie, Quasimodo didn't get the girl.

2) Looks are the primary factor in making a mate attractive. I'm not saying this to demoralize you: this has been proven by dozens of studies. Looks are an old proxy for health and fitness (eg facial symmetry is an indicator of low gene mutation). Our primitive brain is still wired to find looks attractive. If you look around you in high school, boys popular with the girls are usually handsome. Listening to a popular music band won't make you high-quality. Neither will wearing expensive clothes. Girls will lie to you about what they find attractive. Human females dissimulate the extent to which they are attracted to looks in the hope of appearing morally virtuous. Studies have shown women say something and do the opposite

3) We have a saying here: LMS. Looks Money Status. That means that if you're ugly, you should try to actively compensate for it by money and status. There are several known examples of ugly, even deformed men who managed to compensate by high status and a tiny bit of luck. That means you should work hard in school. If you're too depressed to work hard in school, get treatment for depression. Do not deny that you have depression if you have it. Persistent low mood, low energy, irritability, disturbed sleep, cynical and jaded view of everything are symptoms of depression. Go see a psychiatrist asap. Untreated depression will ruin your life.

4) Lose the obsession with getting a girl asap or losing your virginity asap. Assuming it is even possible for you to lose your virginity, the more you're obsessed about losing your virginity, the more you'll be anxious, and the more you'll behave in a shy manner with girls. Instead, take a relaxed approach to your virgin status. It's not the end of the world to be a virgin. In the past, it was actually seen as a great quality. Only since the XXth century has virginity become more and more of a burden. I am 25 and still a virgin; you survive. It doesn't kill you.

5) Be very careful about oneitises. A "oneitis" is a feeling of intense love for a particular girl. Chances are high this girl will never reciprocate these feelings. If you get burned, don't say you were not warned. Oneitis usually results in clinical depression for unattractive males.

6) Be very careful about pick-up artistry (RooshV, etc). Most advice you can find there is useful, but it can help you only if you're quite good-looking to begin with. Otherwise it will just cause you useless embarassment and rejection.

7) Try to develop hobbies, skills and coping mechanisms that distract you from sex. Work-out regularly. Avoid masturbation.

8) Sex is not everything that matters in the world. In fact, the more you have sex, the more you realize it's not that important. I know a few Chadlites who ascended late in life. Their mental state actually got worse because instead of being happy they fucked, they were depressed about not getting better girls or about having failed their life/career.
 
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Some God tier advice.
 
DON'T go to a psychiatrist.

DON'T be a betabux, the "M" from LMS is the worst one. Being a married cuck is like being bullied by fake friends, I'd rather be alone.
 
6) Be very careful about pick-up artistry (RooshV, etc). Most advice you can find there is useful, but it can help you only if you're quite good-looking to begin with. Otherwise it will just cause you useless embarassment and rejection.

I'm not convinced of that due to my own experience from my 20s. Agepill is much more important here. I'm a 5 looksmaxxed with terrible teeth (crooked, holes, yellow, u name it) and I got some when I tried the PUA shit in my 20s. Now in my 30s: no freaking chance! As a teenager you still have the chance, guys. So do anything you can! Get those braces as early as possible and go to the gym so you get more attractive while getting older to compensate for your age.

I suspect that PUA stuff works when you're younger but not after 30 is because the females will have had enough experience by the age of 30 to know they can get Chad any time and can do whatever the hell they want just bc they're female. Girls in their teens and early 20s (your target demographic in your 20s, I suppose) might not know that yet and be fooled by the PUA tricks, i.e 'perceived status', 'negging' and that shit
 
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DON'T go to a psychiatrist.
I understand why someone could say that. Psychiatry is more of an art than a science at this point, and treatments don't work on everyone due to different genetic makeup. It's frequent to try 10 different drugs before finding the right one, and usually to give up before finding it. But you can't dismiss an entire medical field out of hand.

DON'T be a betabux, the "M" from LMS is the worst one. Being a married cuck is like being bullied by fake friends, I'd rather be alone.
I agree to some extent; however, status can definitely get you a nice Filipina or Hungarian wife if you're not too ugly.
 
Sure, work hard in high school. Then if you have an above average IQ, pick an incel major like CS. If you don't have one, don't go to college. I also recommend you to kill yourself while your raging teenage hormones can push you to it.
 
this is the spoken form of the blackpill
all hail oldcel fontaine!
 
I understand why someone could say that. Psychiatry is more of an art than a science at this point, and treatments don't work on everyone due to different genetic makeup. It's frequent to try 10 different drugs before finding the right one, and usually to give up before finding it. But you can't dismiss an entire medical field out of hand.
okay well for finding the right drug, or for your case, brain zapping, it may be worth it. But I was thinking more of therapy where they tell you "okay this negative thought you are feeling? Just DON'T FEEL it, bruh." At that case, just save your money and do it yourself.
I agree to some extent; however, status can definitely get you a nice Filipina or Hungarian wife if you're not too ugly.
I agree with status being a legitimate boost in smv, just look at the fangirls in beatles concerts. Ugly guys and girls wet like a waterfall

money itself does not do that.
 
Cope
very few ugly people get money or status. That’s why everyone you see working at Walmart or McDonalds is ugly
 
Aight, so in LMS it's actually:

looks >>>>>>> status > money (blackpill view)

Or

status > looks > money (redpill/PUA view)

?
 
i want to add some of my own thoughts into this (by the way im 27)

never listen to old people. i never met an old person that drop pearls o' wisdom on the young folk. all of their advice is mostly related to "money" "career" and "pussy". nothing they say can change your life in a meaningful way. its mostly YOU GOTTA FOCUS ON SCHOO CUZ AT 30 (when you are basically fucking old) you get to reap the benefits of EDUKATION.
guys, there is nothing more important than falling in love, having sex and having kids at a young age. anyone that tells you otherwise is fucking lying to your face. its not normal to study every day for 25 fucking years, you need to get out and BE YOUNG

stop giving a fuck. become who you truly are and embrace your personality. don't try to ascend or be a normie. that shit is over. focus on who you really are and do the things you love. if people don't like you - who gives a fuck?
 
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DON'T go to a psychiatrist.

They will give medication that will mess with your hormones, your sexual attraction for the opposite sex, make you feel less emotions. And the worst is that these side effects can be permanent, after you end the use of the medication.

The best anti depressive is the sun, the nature, workouts and copes like woodworking or firing guns.

A good thing also is to live in a communist country like Brazil. You can work for the government and earn 20x more than regular people, while doing nothing.
 
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Aight, so in LMS it's actually:

looks >>>>>>> status > money (blackpill view)

Or

status > looks > money (redpill/PUA view)

?
That kind of depends on the relative position of those 3 against your competition.
e.g. a 8/10 could triumph over a 9/10 if he is making 15k more.
however a 2/10 could be making 60k more and he still has no chance against a 4/10.
 
okay well for finding the right drug, or for your case, brain zapping, it may be worth it. But I was thinking more of therapy where they tell you "okay this negative thought you are feeling? Just DON'T FEEL it, bruh." At that case, just save your money and do it yourself.
Yeah therapy is too often bullshit, good intelligent therapists are too rare to be statistically significant. Drugs and electroshock are legit though.

I agree with status being a legitimate boost in smv, just look at the fangirls in beatles concerts. Ugly guys and girls wet like a waterfall

money itself does not do that.
Sure. However, I've got the feeling that it's already too late to play "ugly rocker game". Unless you reach a very high skill level, or manage to become hyper-famous, playing an instrument is not a very high status boost.
 
guys, there is nothing more important than falling in love, having sex and having kids at a young age. anyone that tells you otherwise is fucking lying to your face. its not normal to study every day for 25 fucking years, you need to get out and BE YOUNG

stop giving a fuck. become who you truly are and embrace your personality. don't try to ascend or be a normie. that shit is over. focus on who you really are and do the things you love. if people don't like you - who gives a fuck?
Impossible and counterproductive if you're ugly. But yeah step 1 is always to get fit so you know if you're ugly or not. Not swole, just fit. Then if you're not ugly you can try to socialize and so on if you're NT. Otherwise you need money for anything including surgery, so you might as well "waste your youth" since you never had a shot anyway.
 
Funniest thing is when a virgin nerd shoots up the school and tumblr wants to fuck him

That's status (you're on the news) > looks In a nutshell...
 
They will give medication that will mess with your hormones, your sexual attraction for the opposite sex, make you feel less emotions. And the worst is that these side effects can be permanent, after you end the use of the medication.
It's actually good to destroy your hormones and sexual drive if you're ugly... just saying. The sooner you accept it's over the better. Also, not all drugs have the same side effect profile. I suspect those who decry SSRIs and SNRIs were patients who didn't get any positive effects and only experienced the negative side effects. SSRIs and SNRIs only work in 50% of patients on the first try. So you are bound to get a lot, lot of people on the internet pissed off about them. Those for whom they worked get back to living normally and don't post on the internet.
 
That kind of depends on the relative position of those 3 against your competition.
e.g. a 8/10 could triumph over a 9/10 if he is making 15k more.
however a 2/10 could be making 60k more and he still has no chance against a 4/10.

Yes, according to PUA theory, status can compensate for looks by 2-3 points (of you're a 4 but got immense status, women see you as a 6-7, maybe 8).

According to blackpill, tho, looks cannot be compensated for by status or money (maybe 0.5 points or so if at all).
 
high IQ except for advocating betabuxxing. this should be stickied to the front page solely for guests and newcels.
 
If you're ugly and blackpilled as a teenager you're already too far gone
 
"8) Sex is not everything that matters in the world. In fact, the more you have sex, the more you realize it's not that important. I know a few Chadlites who ascended late in life. Their mental state actually got worse because instead of being happy they fucked, they were depressed about not getting better girls or about having failed their life/career."

True, don't seek living in a fool's paradise or worship sex
Gold diggers still have poon. If you're only looking for sex that is good enough.

You will end up betabuxing and getting nothing out of it, girls want attractive men
If you're ugly and blackpilled as a teenager you're already too far gone

Why?

I don't see a big disadvantage to knowing the truth at an early age
 
high IQ except for advocating betabuxxing. this should be stickied to the front page solely for guests and newcels.
Mods don't like me very much (I shitpost a lot tbh) so I doubt it will be stickied, but thanks.
 
Yes, according to PUA theory, status can compensate for looks by 2-3 points (of you're a 4 but got immense status, women see you as a 6-7, maybe 8).

According to blackpill, tho, looks cannot be compensated for by status or money (maybe 0.5 points or so if at all).
that's not what I meant, I meant that the amount of points you can compensate for are dependent of the amount of points you already have. a 5/10 making 100millions a year and with a nobel price will outdo a 9/10 chad no problems and yet a 1/10 wouldn't even outdo a 5/10 doesn't matter how many billions he makes or if he is the first man to take a step on mars
 
Impossible and counterproductive if you're ugly. But yeah step 1 is always to get fit so you know if you're ugly or not. Not swole, just fit. Then you can try to socialize and so on if you're NT. Otherwise you need money for anything including surgery, so you might as well "waste your youth" since you never had a shot anyway.

my point is, why study for 25 years and grind teeth for nothing? in the end all of those degrees and certs are going into a box.
all of those years of getting fucked in the ass for what? you don't even get clean water, you don't even have a border wall, people are pouring in to your country and rape your woman. while you hope to someday "impress" a woman with your stupid fucking money.
incels need to wake the fuck up, your country doesn't give a shit about you, no one does.
 
that's not what I meant, I meant that the amount of points you can compensate for are dependent of the amount of points you already have. a 5/10 making 100millions a year and with a nobel price will outdo a 9/10 chad no problems and yet a 1/10 wouldn't even outdo a 5/10 doesn't matter how many billions he makes or if he is the first man to take a step on mars


True, it gets harder towards the extremes (a 1/10 has to bring exponentially more status/money to the table to get +1 than a 5/10. But for those average guys (3.5s to 6s) status (even faked) can make the difference between getting some and staying a virgin. You'll never get as much or as frequently as Chads but still, you get some.

I still believe that a 1/10 with actual BILLIONS in his bank account WILL find a gold digging 5/10 if he keeps looking, tho.:kys:

Also status: Imagine an ugly mob boss. Any girl that wants to continue living will spread her legs immediately, no matter if he's 0/10
 
my point is, why study for 25 years and grind teeth for nothing? in the end all of those degrees and certs are going into a box.
all of those years of getting fucked in the ass for what? you don't even get clean water, you don't even have a border wall, people are pouring in to your country and rape your woman. while you hope to someday "impress" a woman with your stupid fucking money.
incels need to wake the fuck up, your country doesn't give a shit about you, no one does.
If you have money you can buy copes. That should be the goal, not being a betabuxcuck.
 
True, it gets harder towards the extremes (a 1/10 has to bring exponentially more status/money to the table to get +1 than a 5/10. But for those average guys (3.5s to 6s) status (even faked) can make the difference between getting some and staying a virgin. You'll never get as much or as frequently as Chads but still, you get some.
I think the problem lies in the x/10 ranking system to begin with, because 1/10 and 10/10 are an incredibly small amount of the population. I much prefer the % scale., because it puts into perspective how many you are competing against.
 
never listen to old people. i never met an old person that drop pearls o' wisdom on the young folk. all of their advice is mostly related to "money" "career" and "pussy". nothing they say can change your life in a meaningful way.

To add to that: Even if their advice is good and right, it only applies to the era they grew up in. More than any other period in human history, the modern world has undergone more change in the last 20 years than would normally occur in even 200 years. Old people today cannot grasp just how radically different the dating scene is.
 
I think the problem lies in the x/10 ranking system to begin with, because 1/10 and 10/10 are an incredibly small amount of the population. I much prefer the % scale., because it puts into perspective how many you are competing against.

But the problem with the percentiles is that they're not canon. One women might find a specific guy from 'the top 10%' of guys rather ugly (because of her preferences set by her upbringing and relationship towards her father) but think an average dude is super hot (because he resembles her dad and she had some daddy-issues). Yes, it's the same problem in the x/10 system but at least there it's canon that an 8 is better than a 6.
 
My topic is surprisingly successful with Guests. 86 right now. Is this about the blunt characterization of "ugly teenager"? There's indeed something about seeing yourself as you really are that is morbidly fascinating. Most ugly people are in denial but deep inside they know. Hopefully, my words can help steer a few intelligent ugly teens on the right path
 
I think the problem lies in the x/10 ranking system to begin with, because 1/10 and 10/10 are an incredibly small amount of the population. I much prefer the % scale., because it puts into perspective how many you are competing against.

If you're ugly, money and status are your ONLY chance. No doubt 9/10 will fail thou.
 
good advice for youngcels. How old are you?
 
good advice for youngcels. How old are you?
Almost 26.

At this point I have entirely given up on women and reproduction, and feel way better for it. I have turned to philosophy and religion (Buddhism currently) to cope.

I have the money to run sugardaddy game in some backward country, but I don't have the will for it anymore -- to me sexuality is an evil force now, and the more I turn away from sex, the better I feel. There's something intrinsically primitive and regressive in organizing your life around boobs and butts. The fact that some muscles covered with fat tissue and skin can have so much power is absurd. In my ideal world, sex doesn't exist.
 
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My topic is surprisingly successful with Guests. 86 right now. Is this about the blunt characterization of "ugly teenager"? There's indeed something about seeing yourself as you really are that is morbidly fascinating. Most ugly people are in denial but deep inside they know. Hopefully, my words can help steer a few intelligent ugly teens on the right path

In b4 this is in the next BaisedShaman video!
 
Dont rely on women for happiness

Ascending and fucking a foid does not bring lasting happiness

Brothers before ho's

Treat foids like shit and they will respect you (only if you are >6ft)

No fap
 
Dont rely on women for happiness

Ascending and fucking a foid does not bring lasting happiness

Brothers before ho's

Treat foids like shit and they will respect you (only if you are >6ft)

No fap
Where does your avatar come from, lol?

A fantasy of mine is getting abused by a military instructor.
 
nices advices but for me the psychiatrist are not the solution, they don't care about you if you don't spend money, it's the reality, they don't gonna "help" you unless you pay a lot, and after what ? They gonna "listen" you and ask somes dumbs questions to make the time pass because they get money with the time you spend with them

im tired and my english is pretty accurate at this state sorry for this
 
2) Looks are the primary factor in making a mate attractive. I'm not saying this to demoralize you: this has been proven by dozens of studies. Looks are an old proxy for health and fitness (eg facial symmetry is an indicator of low gene mutation). .

Men who look aged or diseased almost certainly have a high mutational load and will be perceived as unattractive by the opposite sex. But most of the studies that look at the relationship between facial symmetry and health are contradictory and I don' think that there is enough evidence to conclude that facial symmetry is an indicator of genetic fitness. Some studies claim that facial symmetry, although attractive, has nothing to do with health.

On the other hand, the link between height and health is stronger. Women's height preference is likely maladaptive in a modern environment. In premodern times, tall men made better hunters and warriors. However, brute strength is no longer useful in a technologically advanced society. Tall individuals are at an increased risk of cancer and stroke and have a reduced life expectancy compared with their shorter counterparts.

They will give medication that will mess with your hormones, your sexual attraction for the opposite sex, make you feel less emotions. And the worst is that these side effects can be permanent, after you end the use of the medication.

Peter C. Gøtzsche, a renowned Danish psychiatrist, has argued that psychiatric drugs are both incredibly unsafe and incredibly ineffective.

 
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That's status (you're on the news) > looks In a nutshell...

Status is a very unique phenomena. I'm even developing a whole theory which posits our whole perception of reality is a function of our subconsciously perceived status (and implicitly that of others relative to ourselves) within whatever social dominance hierarchies we participate in. It is funny (in a sad way) that this is one area of psychology that there is tons of hard evidence in support of, yet nobody in the field, as far as I know of, is talking about the possibility of treating the psychological maladies common in developed nations through manipulation of subconsciously perceived status.

The real problem with Just Be High Status is in it's reproducibility. Hence why I think the formulation of the theory above is so important. Once an idea like that starts entering more men's consciouses, the probability of identifying the triggers for perceived status becomes higher. In a sense this is what PUA tactics attempted to simulate, but I don't think their understanding of social dominance hierarchies was developed enough to make them work with any sort of consistency, much less actually accomplish a sort "hacking" of human psychology.
 
Status is a very unique phenomena. I'm even developing a whole theory which posits our whole perception of reality is a function of our subconsciously perceived status (and implicitly that of others relative to ourselves) within whatever social dominance hierarchies we participate in. It is funny (in a sad way) that this is one area of psychology that there is tons of hard evidence in support of, yet nobody in the field, as far as I know of, is talking about the possibility of treating the psychological maladies common in developed nations through manipulation of subconsciously perceived status.

The real problem with Just Be High Status is in it's reproducibility. Hence why I think the formulation of the theory above is so important. Once an idea like that starts entering more men's consciouses, the probability of identifying the triggers for perceived status becomes higher. In a sense this is what PUA tactics attempted to simulate, but I don't think their understanding of social dominance hierarchies was developed enough to make them work with any sort of consistency, much less actually accomplish a sort "hacking" of human psychology.


Damn, that sounds like a unification of PUA theory and JBPs stuff! Def let me know when you post the full theory on here! :fire:
 
Men who look aged or diseased almost certainly have a high mutational load and will be perceived as unattractive by the opposite sex. But most of the studies that look at the relationship between facial symmetry and health are contradictory and I don' think that there is enough evidence to conclude that facial symmetry is an indicator of genetic fitness. Some studies claim that facial symmetry, although attractive, has nothing to do with health.
It's true that beauty is not very correlated to health, at least in modern times. I think the correlation between symmetry and health used to be extremely strong millions of years ago and progressively decreased. Bilateral symmetry probably used to correlate very heavily with normal anatomy and physiology, less so with time, but our brain has remained stuck in the savannah.

Peter C. Gøtzsche, a renowned Danish psychiatrist, has argued that psychiatric drugs are both incredibly unsafe and incredibly ineffective.
I think this is an exaggeration, however, my experience validates that drugs are usually not very good. The first two I've tried had no effects; the third worked on my mood but gave me heart palpitations; I've ultimately fixed my depression through a novel therapy, transcranial magnetic stimulation.
Op is an outstanding writer

Should consider life as a journalist
Considering that English is not my first language, this means a lot! Thank you!
 
God tier thread. Great job OP.
 
They will give medication that will mess with your hormones, your sexual attraction for the opposite sex, make you feel less emotions. And the worst is that these side effects can be permanent, after you end the use of the medication.

The best anti depressive is the sun, the nature, workouts and copes like woodworking or firing guns.

A good thing also is to live in a communist country like Brazil. You can work for the government and earn 20x more than regular people, while doing nothing.
So meds can turn you gay?
 
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It's not the end of the world to be a virgin.

Their mental state actually got worse because instead of being happy they fucked, they were depressed about not getting better girls or about having failed their life/career.
You can also take solace in the fact that there are many more virgins now. All the "casual sex" is happening between an elite group of people. Also, ascending later in life can backfire because you realize you worshiped something that wasn't that great to begin with.
 
Male prime is late 20s to early 30s (with a strict cutoff around 32).

It's quite possible that you will look better in your late 20s as testosterone slims your face and hardens features. There is a massive difference in how I looked from 21 to 29.

Contrary to what the media tells you, young women are very attracted to older men, late 20s is prime for men, make no mistake about it.
 

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