@Аракелов you are a devout Christian.
You need to share your opinions here bro.
What are your counter arguments?
First of all, I must admit it's always unfortunate to see such a lack of knowledge and sensitivity for spiritual matters among former Christians, if Protestants and Catholics can be even considered as such (hence their constant readiness for side switching - from those who didn't get to know authentic Christianity in the first place can't be expected nothing but heretical, shallow, unhistorical and deformed stance towards its truths and tradition).
I'm not quite sure what do you want me to reply on among above given atheist and anti-Christian arguments, so I will comment on the most coherent ones (by my estimate, of course), maybe even in multiple posts/replies.
I remember I used to browse youtube a lot, and argue with atheists in the comment sections lol, even on forums, ironically the more I argued with them, the more I started to think of things in terms of logic, so in a sense I am thankful to the atheist community for helping me become logical
First sentence is also a sentence with the first, very subtle fallacy - fallacy of the infallibility or epistemological priority of logic. You (
@Grothendieck) as a mathematician should be well familiar with its history and path of development, which gives us slightly different picture (Vienna circle project, Russell, Cantor, Wittgenstein, Godel, Church, Tarski, Turing, and Graham Priest most recently). Logic is nothing but a mere construction, tool or set of concepts, created inside of the frames of human mind and experience, so putting it on the pedestal of the unmistakable certainty or doubtless accuracy is considered a large oversight, especially in the communities which study it most rigorously - mathematical and (analytic) philosophical ones. "Thinking in terms of logic" is to say that you instead of the God believe in a mentioned set of human-made principles or concepts, because verifiability of them is limited to claims made
inside of the set, so its own objective verification/verification of its foundations is and will always be unavailable (consequently - faith is required to observe and study logic as a serious source of truth).
Btw, logic as described here is, in fact, much more on the side of Christianity - it once again gives us evidence on the limits of empirical/positivistic knowledge/reason and it reveals its inability for self-examination, giving firm foundations to itself and giving answers on the crucial questions of our existence.
"All the limitative Theorems of metamathematics and the theory of computation suggest that once the ability to represent your own structure has reached a certain critical point, that is the kiss of death: it guarantees that you can never represent yourself totally. Godel's Incompleteness Theorem, Church's Undecidability Theorem, Turing's Halting Problem, Turski's Truth Theorem-- all have the flavour of some ancient fairy tale which warns you that To seek self- knowledge is to embark on a journey which . . . will always be incomplete, cannot be charted on a map, will never halt, cannot be described. "
I can go even further talking about absolute unsustainablity of human knowledge, logic and science in the whole by pointing out to Greek or analytical sceptical arguments (
for curious ones), but I'm quite sure I've said more than enough to destabilize the basic tenets of this kind of thinking.
If not telling people about your religion, increases the amount of souls that don't get tortured for eternity, THEN SPREADING YOUR RELIGION IS A MALICIOUS ACT
First of all, according to the true, original and non-heretical Christianity (Orthodoxy), there is no from the outside inflicted torture in the first place, as well as no Hell in physical or spatial sense. Torment in Christianity is always self-inflicted, chosen and product of the free will, torment is an ontological state, not an action nor relation of individuals (PM for more detailed explanation or texts dealing with the topic of salvation in Orthodoxy). Second mistake made here is a mistake of humans as a primary "vectors of faith", humans as meritorious for the spread of religion and its beliefs (typical Catholic stance). Actually, religion, spirituality and God idea are inner and personal matters of every man and women, found through equally personal and introspective examination of our lives, their meaning or goal, questions of death, truth, time, universe, etc. Also, God is equally personal, not the Plato's Demiurge (as Muslims and non-Orthodox Christians see Him), and He is participating in path of salvation and search for truth of every man (also can give more detailed explanation in PM), and Eskimo aren't excluded. So, in the final conclusion, as long as God is personal and we're meant to be and act as persons (with free will and richness of our inner worlds and their mutual relations) responsibility is universal and absolute.
