Discussion Would you have a purely platonic and non-sexual long term relationship with a woman, provided that she's doesn't have sex with anyone else?

[12 Years a Rotter]

i don't care about sex tbh, i have a low libido lately plus i'm a dickcel. if i can cuddle with her and have children that's ok

 

[ethniccel1]

Dude what you talking about are fucking Grannys.

Just get a foid 10 years older than you and be satisfied

 

[lemon21]

The pool is not that fair. It should be either sex or emotional connection. I would prefer the latter. Because i feel that sex just for the sake of it won't be good for me personally. Also maybe she can jack me off and also give me a blowjob from time to time?

 

[Tranquil Fury]

I'd be willing to put up with that whole "friend zone" routine if I knew I'd eventually get to fuck her senseless...

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

So a friendship with a woman? Women make the worse friends. They will have no loyalty in hard times, they will not help you when you need, but always ask you for help.

Women are takers not givers and they are not loyal. They have 0 worth as friends

In truth yeah, foids aren't capable of "love" but men still want the illusion that foids give to them. Men still want to feel the touch and warmth of a woman.

The pool is not that fair. It should be either sex or emotional connection. I would prefer the latter. Because i feel that sex just for the sake of it won't be good for me personally. Also maybe she can jack me off and also give me a blowjob from time to time?

This I would want tbh.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

The pool is not that fair. It should be either sex or emotional connection.

Many dudes want both. Some don't care about intimacy and just want sex.

 

[Black&Red]

Women can't into friendship. You're spreading blue pills with these polls.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

Women can't into friendship. You're spreading blue pills with these polls.

I know in reality foids can't "love", but I'm asking a hypothetical question to those that still believe in that.

 

[Autistic Uggo]

Yes, as long as I'm not be cucked or led on. It's better than nothing.

 

[avoidthefoid]

no

 

[Dungcel]

If she was okay with me escortmaxxing or getting sex elsewhere, sure.

 

[NihilisticSoul]

Only if she is cute rather than hot because then it would suck not being able to fuck her.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

Only if she is cute rather than hot because then it would suck not being able to fuck her.

Have you ever heard of the Madonna-whore complex?

 

[mlcurrycel]

No sex = friendship. I'd be friends with her.

 

[NihilisticSoul]

Have you ever heard of the Madonna-whore complex?

Yes, its when you are attracted to one type of woman sexually but not romantically and to another type romantically but not sexually

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

Yes, its when you are attracted to one type of woman sexually but not romantically and to another type romantically but not sexually

Yep, this was basically me in my teen years.

 

[NihilisticSoul]

Yep, this was basically me in my teen years.

Same, i would get annoyed when other guys would look at my crushes in a sexual way since i belived they were "pure angels" and that those guys were "disgusting perverts" lol

I was basically a tradcuck who belived most women are naturally good but are corrupted by men, i later realised that women are also degenerate and lustful.

I basically have 3 ways i could be attracted to a foid

1. Pure sexual attraction
2. Pure Romantic attraction
3. Both Sexual and Romantic attraction (which i could never feel in High school)

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

Same, i would get annoyed when other guys would look at my crushes in a sexual way since i belived they were "pure angels" and that those guys were "disgusting perverts" lol

I was basically a tradcuck who belived most women are naturally good but are corrupted by men, i later realised that women are also degenerate and lustful.

I basically have 3 ways i could be attracted to a foid

Yes, I've also came to that realization when I took the black pill. I used to think only a few were thots, but all foids are sexual being.

1. Pure sexual attraction
2. Pure Romantic attraction
3. Both Sexual and Romantic attraction (which i could never feel in High school)

I mean, for me sexual attraction and romantic attraction are no longer mutually exclusive. I'd still want sex with a foid I was romantically attracted and find cute as well, but it's a different dynamic from the type of foids that I just have lust for. With the latter it's all about me and it's more of a rushed process, but with the former I also want to make her feel good and bond with her.

Yes, depending on the foid and my mood sometimes it's pure lust I just want sex with them and be done with them. But other times, I want to touch their body and caress them during the act and cuddle. That doesn't mean that I want to have an LTR with any of them but I could receive that type of emotional intimacy from different foids.

 

[pixy.DARKMEATURKEY]

I've had plutonic relationships with women before and its really not that great tbh. If you think you're going to get some kind of emotional intimacy with them you're not. They're pretty much the same as male friends but at least with guys you can become really close bros but with women the best you can get is someone who is just in your social circle.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

I've had plutonic relationships with women before and its really not that great tbh. If you think you're going to get some kind of emotional intimacy with them you're not. They're pretty much the same as male friends but at least with guys you can become really close bros but with women the best you can get is someone who is just in your social circle.

Did you got to cuddle with them?

 

[pixy.DARKMEATURKEY]

Did you got to cuddle with them?

No, they're pretty much male friends but usually far less fun to be around. Being friends with a girl is nothing like being in a actual relationship with them. At best if they're really extroverted you may get a hug.

 

[CrackingYs]

Yes. Having a female friend, even if she won't fuck you, would drastically increase your chances of having sex with one of her friends and acquaintances. She might invite you to parties and you might be able to get into a social circle, get invited out for drinks or barbeques, or sporting events, or whatever.

If you don't have any social life at all you're an outsider to society. You become a radioactive pariah, a leper, and everyone will actively avoid you.

 

[ITsOVER90]

This is really a question of if you want just sex from a woman, or would you rather have female companionship and non-sexual physical intimacy (cuddling, kissing, etc.) and just wanting a woman who "loves" you.

Let's say you find a woman (ideally a Stacy or has your ideal looks) who wants to be your gf, but doesn't want sex. However she's a virgin and also won't have sex with other men, and remains chaste throughout her life because she's asexual (yes, I know asexuality is a meme but let's say she's truly incapable of having a libido or having orgasms, this is all hypothetical), and you don't have to worry about getting cucked. And by sex this includes any genital contact and non-penetrative sex, so kissing and cuddling is allowed.

She is still romantically attracted only to you, and instead wants an exclusive monogamic platonic relationship and you get to live the rest of your life with her together, do outdoor activities together (traveling, hiking, sightseeing, being in nature), hold hands, she cooks and cleans for you, have someone to talk, and cuddle every night and maybe kiss and make out, show platonic affection for each other and she does those things with you and loves you and only you.

She basically becomes your wife for everything else but you don't have sex with her as part of the deal.

Would you still want to be in that type of relationship, or is sex too important?

Spoiler: my thoughts *warning: it's fairly long*

My teenage self would say yes. When I was bluepilled I didn't put too much importance on sex, and the ultimate expression of romantic love and intimacy was getting to French kiss a girl. Basically having my first kiss was my goal in high school and I also just wanted platonic female companionship, not necessarily a regular fuck buddy.

At that time, I thought that only a small portion of foids were hypersexual thots to be used only for sex, and the majority of females (ie how I thought the girls in my school were like) were chaste beings who wanted a man who was virtuous, empathetic, appreciated their beauty, and treated them like princesses, who cared more about personality than a man looks (the "beauty is on the inside" rhetoric, or that the only looks that mattered are the ones that can be changed such as physique and fashion, and that wealth and height aren't important) and of course that didn't want to be sexualized or "used" for a one-nighter, that instead wanted a man who would stay with them and take them out to walks along the beach or at the park and kiss and cuddle under the moonlight, and write love songs and love poems expressing my feelings for her.

I thought of sex at that time as more of a vain activity that people do only for the bodily pleasure of it, that there was very little emotion and intimacy involved, and it was done by misogynistic men who viewed women as just sex objects and "scores" and wouldn't see women as anything beyond that, and that sex wasn't something that most foids enjoyed. Just a hedonistic activity normies do like doing drugs and partying.

This is why at that age I would still watch porn and fap to foids who were "hypersexual" and had big asses, but I never felt any sexual attraction (got lustful or horny for) to any of the girls I had oneitis for and I wouldn't think about them when I was masturbating. I pretty much had a Madonna complex for them. I separated the foids I considered "sexy" [openly thotty women who were hypersexual and promiscuous, high primitive and not very intelligent, tall, Amazonian, not necessarily attractive facially but had huge asses and other exaggerated body features, and dressed provocatively, like to show off their bodies a lot, the bimbo type] and ones that I considered "cute" [more reserved and modest women, gracile and innocent-looking, who were more facially attractive despite being more "flat-bodied", HQNP, the "girl next door" type], and thus women I only had pure lust for, and women I desire more of an emotional and platonic ["romantic"] connection with.

What I mean by the latter is, I would still get shy and feel "butterflies" when they are in their presence, and it would still be a physical (as in based on her looks, albeit non-sexual) attraction, but I would admire their physical beauty like I would admire the beauty of a natural landscape.

Of course, as I got older and more exposed to the red pill/black pill, I start to see female sexuality differently. What I have become to realize is that in reality AWALT, in other words there is no difference between a shy and reserved foid vs a thotty foid, since men will still want sex with both types, both types are Chad only and regularly have sex with Chad (the foids that you see in everyday life whom you wouldn't think are "that type"; that nerdy and book girl in high school, that foid cashier at your local grocery store, your childhood elementary school teacher, the nurse at the hospital; they're all getting or have gotten their backs blown by Chad. Even an "innocent" old granny from church has been on the carousel ride in her heydays), both types are disappointments to their fathers, you see both types get into porn, and both types end up becoming roasties wanting their betabuxx. The girls you had oneitis for and thought were innocent and chaste angels already lost their virginity. It's just because you're not Chad that you never got to see that side of them. Sex was going on behind your back, and that other "hidden world" you didn't get to partake in it. All foids are hoes and they want the same things, and men view all of them the same way.

I've also realized that foids ARE sexual beings, that foids DO want sex. But they only want sex with Chad and only give it to Chad. And she isn't going to not you because you are undesirable in her eyes, you are unfit to reproduce and she won't allow you to pass your genes to the next generation through her. Or they would prostitute themselves in exchange for money, because of course the only thing that men value from women is their sex appeal. Foids are sexual objects and their only point of existence is to make themselves sexually desired by men and exploit their various aspects of their sexuality (including the slutty "naughty girl" type, or the shy "nice girl" type) to use that to their advantage to get what they want from men (if it's Chad, it's his genetics for her offspring; if it's a lower value male, it's money, resources, a free meal, validation, "emotional support", or getting some cuck to do her bidding for her without having to get her hands dirty, etc.). They all live off of male attention and everything they do is to show themselves off and appease men, mainly because their survival depends on it given that they are physically too weak to provide and fend for themselves.

That's why you have the Twitch thots, the gamer girls, the street hookers, the rave queen, the grannies on OnlyFans, etc. They infiltrate male spaces to get simps and get them to orbit her and fight each other for her. No matter how old they are or their temperament, they can't live without getting the attention from men. And ironically they consider this "foid empowerment". Foids are demonic agents of lust and temptation.

Another thing is that sex IS a part of physical and emotional intimacy, and not just a vain act. Of course to have sex you already need close physical contact with another person, and not only that but also be naked in front of each other and exchange each other's bodily fluids. It's something that requires a lot of trust for each other. It's a purely animalistic and primal act that humans normally don't reveal in themselves. But it's also putting your penis inside a woman's vagina is in fact the MOST intimate act you can do, because the very act of sex is about procreating, about releasing your own genetic "essence", a part of you, in order to merge with her own genetic "essence" in order to bring forth a new creation together. In that moment, you literally become one with the flesh, two lineages crossing paths with each other. When you are horny with someone, it implies that you want to reproduce with them, that you want to merge a part of yourself with a part of herself.

Of course, there's still the bodily aspect of sexual pleasure and the release of orgasm, and having your lust be satisfied just like food satisfies your hunter. But of course, it's not just that because during the act of sex there's pair-bonding and with orgasm also comes the release for oxytocin. For example, I've never escorted myself but how many times escortcels mentioned on here that they've caught feelings for hookers that they regularly fucked. Overtime, it also becomes an emotional attraction, even if it started as just lust and just wanting to release your physical desires. You can't really separate the two feelings.

And then of course, the purpose of a relationship is to reproduce, not just mere companionship. A woman isn't looking for a man just for cuddles and going out for walks with him, she's also looking for resources and a man who can provide those resources for her and her potential offspring. Now yes, beyond sex there are some things that men want from women that they can't get from another man, such as emotional and physical intimacy.

So of course, I want sex with a foid, because now I view sex as an important part of a relationship and also me being sexually attracted to a foid and just "romantically" attracted are no longer mutually exclusive. Yes, I still desire female companionship and physical intimacy beyond, but there would be no point for me to be with her if I can't fucking her. Because again, women are sexual beings. It would be cucked if I had a long-term and non-sexual platonic relationship with a foid but then at the same time she was in a real sexual relationship with another man, and then not giving me the same level of attention. And even if she was a virgin and truly asexual, I still wouldn't see the point because I still want to actually have sex with a foid and why should I masturbate if I have female companionship?

I think the change in perspective as I got older, comes from the fact that when you are a teenage and start experiencing attraction for the first time, of course you are going to think of these feelings as being "magical" or "special". You never experienced heartbreak before so you only associate relationships with positive feelings and think that your first gf is your sweetheart or soulmate and is going to stay with you forever and live happily ever after in marriage, on top of what you've been socialized to believe from television, movies, songs, literature, etc. That's why losing your virginity is looked fondly upon, because you've never done something like this why anyone else before, never expressed your sexual desired and shared such a primal experience with another person before, you think of it as a special moment and they'll be honored to be your first. A lot of bluepilled incels who still put off escortcelling still hold on to that notion into adulthood, again because they never had those experiences.

But as they become adults and after they go through cycles of breakups and hookups, the stress that comes with trying to maintain a relationship and please the other person, getting cheated on, rejections, hearing about their oneitis getting their backs blown, etc. it looses it's magic and people see sex for what it is. Foids lose the ability to pair bond and sex for them is not just about "getting their needs met". Modern relationships don't mean shit. A gf is just a fuck buddy that you stay with for a while just to have someone to regularly fuck, then you get bored with her and you move on to the next, rinse and repeat. Then some bluepiller still believes in the fairy tale of marriage, putting female companionship over sex, and that's how they end up becoming betabuxx to roasties looking for resources and he gets divorceraped.

Anyway, as I've said I'm done wanting relationships because they don't mean shit and aren't the idealized things that we are socialized to believe, and after taking the black pill and losing faith to foids I just want sex at this point. I might as well start escortcelling once I get into the mood of moneymaxxing.

As a cutecel, being friends with a woman is a waste of time, I get a lot female attention but its ALWAYS platonic. No physical intimacy with a woman but just platonic affection on steroids puts you in a worse position then an ugly guy because your being mentally tortured. They are incel hating Chad worshipping cum dumpsters.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

No, they're pretty much male friends but usually far less fun to be around. Being friends with a girl is nothing like being in a actual relationship with them. At best if they're really extroverted you may get a hug.

Brutal, but yeah I don't see the point in having female friends as a man and especially as an incel. Any female we interact we see as a potential sex partner.

As a cutecel, being friends with a woman is a waste of time, I get a lot female attention but its ALWAYS platonic. No physical intimacy with a woman but just platonic affection on steroids puts you in a worse position then an ugly guy because your being mentally tortured. They are incel hating Chad worshipping cum dumpsters.

Maybe you can use that to ascend, some foids like prettyboys who are not hypermasculine.

 

[Julaybib]

men cant be platonic

 

[sneed (not chuck)]

I kinda have this right now. Very comfy to hear a fem talk to you sweetly, but also brutal to know you're utterly friendzoned.

 

[LifeMaxxer]

A lot of guys are already living in sexless marriages. If she helps me pay bills and gives me emotional support Ill take it

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

A lot of guys are already living in sexless marriages. If she helps me pay bills and gives me emotional support Ill take it

Yes, but this isn't ideal. More than likely she's thinking of Chad fucking Chad behind your back and not worth keeping the marriage tbh, but in this case she remains celibate.

 

[Saigon Depression]

What would be the point of such a relationship?

Sex is the core of all romantic relationship. Without it, you're just housemates.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

What would be the point of such a relationship?

Sex is the core of all romantic relationship. Without it, you're just housemates.

Yes, but even mixed sex roommates ignore each other.

 

[rentro373]

This is really a question of if you want just sex from a woman, or would you rather have female companionship and non-sexual physical intimacy (cuddling, kissing, etc.) and just wanting a woman who "loves" you.

Let's say you find a woman (ideally a Stacy or has your ideal looks) who wants to be your gf, but doesn't want sex. However she's a virgin and also won't have sex with other men, and remains chaste throughout her life because she's asexual (yes, I know asexuality is a meme but let's say she's truly incapable of having a libido or having orgasms, this is all hypothetical), and you don't have to worry about getting cucked. And by sex this includes any genital contact and non-penetrative sex, so kissing and cuddling is allowed.

She is still romantically attracted only to you, and instead wants an exclusive monogamic platonic relationship and you get to live the rest of your life with her together, do outdoor activities together (traveling, hiking, sightseeing, being in nature), hold hands, she cooks and cleans for you, have someone to talk, and cuddle every night and maybe kiss and make out, show platonic affection for each other and she does those things with you and loves you and only you.

She basically becomes your wife for everything else but you don't have sex with her as part of the deal.

Would you still want to be in that type of relationship, or is sex too important?

Spoiler: my thoughts *warning: it's fairly long*

My teenage self would say yes. When I was bluepilled I didn't put too much importance on sex, and the ultimate expression of romantic love and intimacy was getting to French kiss a girl. Basically having my first kiss was my goal in high school and I also just wanted platonic female companionship, not necessarily a regular fuck buddy.

At that time, I thought that only a small portion of foids were hypersexual thots to be used only for sex, and the majority of females (ie how I thought the girls in my school were like) were chaste beings who wanted a man who was virtuous, empathetic, appreciated their beauty, and treated them like princesses, who cared more about personality than a man looks (the "beauty is on the inside" rhetoric, or that the only looks that mattered are the ones that can be changed such as physique and fashion, and that wealth and height aren't important) and of course that didn't want to be sexualized or "used" for a one-nighter, that instead wanted a man who would stay with them and take them out to walks along the beach or at the park and kiss and cuddle under the moonlight, and write love songs and love poems expressing my feelings for her.

I thought of sex at that time as more of a vain activity that people do only for the bodily pleasure of it, that there was very little emotion and intimacy involved, and it was done by misogynistic men who viewed women as just sex objects and "scores" and wouldn't see women as anything beyond that, and that sex wasn't something that most foids enjoyed. Just a hedonistic activity normies do like doing drugs and partying.

This is why at that age I would still watch porn and fap to foids who were "hypersexual" and had big asses, but I never felt any sexual attraction (got lustful or horny for) to any of the girls I had oneitis for and I wouldn't think about them when I was masturbating. I pretty much had a Madonna complex for them. I separated the foids I considered "sexy" [openly thotty women who were hypersexual and promiscuous, high primitive and not very intelligent, tall, Amazonian, not necessarily attractive facially but had huge asses and other exaggerated body features, and dressed provocatively, like to show off their bodies a lot, the bimbo type] and ones that I considered "cute" [more reserved and modest women, gracile and innocent-looking, who were more facially attractive despite being more "flat-bodied", HQNP, the "girl next door" type], and thus women I only had pure lust for, and women I desire more of an emotional and platonic ["romantic"] connection with.

What I mean by the latter is, I would still get shy and feel "butterflies" when they are in their presence, and it would still be a physical (as in based on her looks, albeit non-sexual) attraction, but I would admire their physical beauty like I would admire the beauty of a natural landscape.

Of course, as I got older and more exposed to the red pill/black pill, I start to see female sexuality differently. What I have become to realize is that in reality AWALT, in other words there is no difference between a shy and reserved foid vs a thotty foid, since men will still want sex with both types, both types are Chad only and regularly have sex with Chad (the foids that you see in everyday life whom you wouldn't think are "that type"; that nerdy and book girl in high school, that foid cashier at your local grocery store, your childhood elementary school teacher, the nurse at the hospital; they're all getting or have gotten their backs blown by Chad. Even an "innocent" old granny from church has been on the carousel ride in her heydays), both types are disappointments to their fathers, you see both types get into porn, and both types end up becoming roasties wanting their betabuxx. The girls you had oneitis for and thought were innocent and chaste angels already lost their virginity. It's just because you're not Chad that you never got to see that side of them. Sex was going on behind your back, and that other "hidden world" you didn't get to partake in it. All foids are hoes and they want the same things, and men view all of them the same way.

I've also realized that foids ARE sexual beings, that foids DO want sex. But they only want sex with Chad and only give it to Chad. And she isn't going to not you because you are undesirable in her eyes, you are unfit to reproduce and she won't allow you to pass your genes to the next generation through her. Or they would prostitute themselves in exchange for money, because of course the only thing that men value from women is their sex appeal. Foids are sexual objects and their only point of existence is to make themselves sexually desired by men and exploit their various aspects of their sexuality (including the slutty "naughty girl" type, or the shy "nice girl" type) to use that to their advantage to get what they want from men (if it's Chad, it's his genetics for her offspring; if it's a lower value male, it's money, resources, a free meal, validation, "emotional support", or getting some cuck to do her bidding for her without having to get her hands dirty, etc.). They all live off of male attention and everything they do is to show themselves off and appease men, mainly because their survival depends on it given that they are physically too weak to provide and fend for themselves.

That's why you have the Twitch thots, the gamer girls, the street hookers, the rave queen, the grannies on OnlyFans, etc. They infiltrate male spaces to get simps and get them to orbit her and fight each other for her. No matter how old they are or their temperament, they can't live without getting the attention from men. And ironically they consider this "foid empowerment". Foids are demonic agents of lust and temptation.

Another thing is that sex IS a part of physical and emotional intimacy, and not just a vain act. Of course to have sex you already need close physical contact with another person, and not only that but also be naked in front of each other and exchange each other's bodily fluids. It's something that requires a lot of trust for each other. It's a purely animalistic and primal act that humans normally don't reveal in themselves. But it's also putting your penis inside a woman's vagina is in fact the MOST intimate act you can do, because the very act of sex is about procreating, about releasing your own genetic "essence", a part of you, in order to merge with her own genetic "essence" in order to bring forth a new creation together. In that moment, you literally become one with the flesh, two lineages crossing paths with each other. When you are horny with someone, it implies that you want to reproduce with them, that you want to merge a part of yourself with a part of herself.

Of course, there's still the bodily aspect of sexual pleasure and the release of orgasm, and having your lust be satisfied just like food satisfies your hunter. But of course, it's not just that because during the act of sex there's pair-bonding and with orgasm also comes the release for oxytocin. For example, I've never escorted myself but how many times escortcels mentioned on here that they've caught feelings for hookers that they regularly fucked. Overtime, it also becomes an emotional attraction, even if it started as just lust and just wanting to release your physical desires. You can't really separate the two feelings.

And then of course, the purpose of a relationship is to reproduce, not just mere companionship. A woman isn't looking for a man just for cuddles and going out for walks with him, she's also looking for resources and a man who can provide those resources for her and her potential offspring. Now yes, beyond sex there are some things that men want from women that they can't get from another man, such as emotional and physical intimacy.

So of course, I want sex with a foid, because now I view sex as an important part of a relationship and also me being sexually attracted to a foid and just "romantically" attracted are no longer mutually exclusive. Yes, I still desire female companionship and physical intimacy beyond, but there would be no point for me to be with her if I can't fucking her. Because again, women are sexual beings. It would be cucked if I had a long-term and non-sexual platonic relationship with a foid but then at the same time she was in a real sexual relationship with another man, and then not giving me the same level of attention. And even if she was a virgin and truly asexual, I still wouldn't see the point because I still want to actually have sex with a foid and why should I masturbate if I have female companionship?

I think the change in perspective as I got older, comes from the fact that when you are a teenage and start experiencing attraction for the first time, of course you are going to think of these feelings as being "magical" or "special". You never experienced heartbreak before so you only associate relationships with positive feelings and think that your first gf is your sweetheart or soulmate and is going to stay with you forever and live happily ever after in marriage, on top of what you've been socialized to believe from television, movies, songs, literature, etc. That's why losing your virginity is looked fondly upon, because you've never done something like this why anyone else before, never expressed your sexual desired and shared such a primal experience with another person before, you think of it as a special moment and they'll be honored to be your first. A lot of bluepilled incels who still put off escortcelling still hold on to that notion into adulthood, again because they never had those experiences.

But as they become adults and after they go through cycles of breakups and hookups, the stress that comes with trying to maintain a relationship and please the other person, getting cheated on, rejections, hearing about their oneitis getting their backs blown, etc. it looses it's magic and people see sex for what it is. Foids lose the ability to pair bond and sex for them is not just about "getting their needs met". Modern relationships don't mean shit. A gf is just a fuck buddy that you stay with for a while just to have someone to regularly fuck, then you get bored with her and you move on to the next, rinse and repeat. Then some bluepiller still believes in the fairy tale of marriage, putting female companionship over sex, and that's how they end up becoming betabuxx to roasties looking for resources and he gets divorceraped.

Anyway, as I've said I'm done wanting relationships because they don't mean shit and aren't the idealized things that we are socialized to believe, and after taking the black pill and losing faith to foids I just want sex at this point. I might as well start escortcelling once I get into the mood of moneymaxxing.

Off that's tough. Yes if we could cuddle naked.

 

[IngsocSimp]

This is really a question of if you want just sex from a woman, or would you rather have female companionship and non-sexual physical intimacy (cuddling, kissing, etc.) and just wanting a woman who "loves" you.

Let's say you find a woman (ideally a Stacy or has your ideal looks) who wants to be your gf, but doesn't want sex. However she's a virgin and also won't have sex with other men, and remains chaste throughout her life because she's asexual (yes, I know asexuality is a meme but let's say she's truly incapable of having a libido or having orgasms, this is all hypothetical), and you don't have to worry about getting cucked. And by sex this includes any genital contact and non-penetrative sex, so kissing and cuddling is allowed.

She is still romantically attracted only to you, and instead wants an exclusive monogamic platonic relationship and you get to live the rest of your life with her together, do outdoor activities together (traveling, hiking, sightseeing, being in nature), hold hands, she cooks and cleans for you, have someone to talk, and cuddle every night and maybe kiss and make out, show platonic affection for each other and she does those things with you and loves you and only you.

She basically becomes your wife for everything else but you don't have sex with her as part of the deal.

Would you still want to be in that type of relationship, or is sex too important?

Spoiler: my thoughts *warning: it's fairly long*

My teenage self would say yes. When I was bluepilled I didn't put too much importance on sex, and the ultimate expression of romantic love and intimacy was getting to French kiss a girl. Basically having my first kiss was my goal in high school and I also just wanted platonic female companionship, not necessarily a regular fuck buddy.

At that time, I thought that only a small portion of foids were hypersexual thots to be used only for sex, and the majority of females (ie how I thought the girls in my school were like) were chaste beings who wanted a man who was virtuous, empathetic, appreciated their beauty, and treated them like princesses, who cared more about personality than a man looks (the "beauty is on the inside" rhetoric, or that the only looks that mattered are the ones that can be changed such as physique and fashion, and that wealth and height aren't important) and of course that didn't want to be sexualized or "used" for a one-nighter, that instead wanted a man who would stay with them and take them out to walks along the beach or at the park and kiss and cuddle under the moonlight, and write love songs and love poems expressing my feelings for her.

I thought of sex at that time as more of a vain activity that people do only for the bodily pleasure of it, that there was very little emotion and intimacy involved, and it was done by misogynistic men who viewed women as just sex objects and "scores" and wouldn't see women as anything beyond that, and that sex wasn't something that most foids enjoyed. Just a hedonistic activity normies do like doing drugs and partying.

This is why at that age I would still watch porn and fap to foids who were "hypersexual" and had big asses, but I never felt any sexual attraction (got lustful or horny for) to any of the girls I had oneitis for and I wouldn't think about them when I was masturbating. I pretty much had a Madonna complex for them. I separated the foids I considered "sexy" [openly thotty women who were hypersexual and promiscuous, high primitive and not very intelligent, tall, Amazonian, not necessarily attractive facially but had huge asses and other exaggerated body features, and dressed provocatively, like to show off their bodies a lot, the bimbo type] and ones that I considered "cute" [more reserved and modest women, gracile and innocent-looking, who were more facially attractive despite being more "flat-bodied", HQNP, the "girl next door" type], and thus women I only had pure lust for, and women I desire more of an emotional and platonic ["romantic"] connection with.

What I mean by the latter is, I would still get shy and feel "butterflies" when they are in their presence, and it would still be a physical (as in based on her looks, albeit non-sexual) attraction, but I would admire their physical beauty like I would admire the beauty of a natural landscape.

Of course, as I got older and more exposed to the red pill/black pill, I start to see female sexuality differently. What I have become to realize is that in reality AWALT, in other words there is no difference between a shy and reserved foid vs a thotty foid, since men will still want sex with both types, both types are Chad only and regularly have sex with Chad (the foids that you see in everyday life whom you wouldn't think are "that type"; that nerdy and book girl in high school, that foid cashier at your local grocery store, your childhood elementary school teacher, the nurse at the hospital; they're all getting or have gotten their backs blown by Chad. Even an "innocent" old granny from church has been on the carousel ride in her heydays), both types are disappointments to their fathers, you see both types get into porn, and both types end up becoming roasties wanting their betabuxx. The girls you had oneitis for and thought were innocent and chaste angels already lost their virginity. It's just because you're not Chad that you never got to see that side of them. Sex was going on behind your back, and that other "hidden world" you didn't get to partake in it. All foids are hoes and they want the same things, and men view all of them the same way.

I've also realized that foids ARE sexual beings, that foids DO want sex. But they only want sex with Chad and only give it to Chad. And she isn't going to not you because you are undesirable in her eyes, you are unfit to reproduce and she won't allow you to pass your genes to the next generation through her. Or they would prostitute themselves in exchange for money, because of course the only thing that men value from women is their sex appeal. Foids are sexual objects and their only point of existence is to make themselves sexually desired by men and exploit their various aspects of their sexuality (including the slutty "naughty girl" type, or the shy "nice girl" type) to use that to their advantage to get what they want from men (if it's Chad, it's his genetics for her offspring; if it's a lower value male, it's money, resources, a free meal, validation, "emotional support", or getting some cuck to do her bidding for her without having to get her hands dirty, etc.). They all live off of male attention and everything they do is to show themselves off and appease men, mainly because their survival depends on it given that they are physically too weak to provide and fend for themselves.

That's why you have the Twitch thots, the gamer girls, the street hookers, the rave queen, the grannies on OnlyFans, etc. They infiltrate male spaces to get simps and get them to orbit her and fight each other for her. No matter how old they are or their temperament, they can't live without getting the attention from men. And ironically they consider this "foid empowerment". Foids are demonic agents of lust and temptation.

Another thing is that sex IS a part of physical and emotional intimacy, and not just a vain act. Of course to have sex you already need close physical contact with another person, and not only that but also be naked in front of each other and exchange each other's bodily fluids. It's something that requires a lot of trust for each other. It's a purely animalistic and primal act that humans normally don't reveal in themselves. But it's also putting your penis inside a woman's vagina is in fact the MOST intimate act you can do, because the very act of sex is about procreating, about releasing your own genetic "essence", a part of you, in order to merge with her own genetic "essence" in order to bring forth a new creation together. In that moment, you literally become one with the flesh, two lineages crossing paths with each other. When you are horny with someone, it implies that you want to reproduce with them, that you want to merge a part of yourself with a part of herself.

Of course, there's still the bodily aspect of sexual pleasure and the release of orgasm, and having your lust be satisfied just like food satisfies your hunter. But of course, it's not just that because during the act of sex there's pair-bonding and with orgasm also comes the release for oxytocin. For example, I've never escorted myself but how many times escortcels mentioned on here that they've caught feelings for hookers that they regularly fucked. Overtime, it also becomes an emotional attraction, even if it started as just lust and just wanting to release your physical desires. You can't really separate the two feelings.

And then of course, the purpose of a relationship is to reproduce, not just mere companionship. A woman isn't looking for a man just for cuddles and going out for walks with him, she's also looking for resources and a man who can provide those resources for her and her potential offspring. Now yes, beyond sex there are some things that men want from women that they can't get from another man, such as emotional and physical intimacy.

So of course, I want sex with a foid, because now I view sex as an important part of a relationship and also me being sexually attracted to a foid and just "romantically" attracted are no longer mutually exclusive. Yes, I still desire female companionship and physical intimacy beyond, but there would be no point for me to be with her if I can't fucking her. Because again, women are sexual beings. It would be cucked if I had a long-term and non-sexual platonic relationship with a foid but then at the same time she was in a real sexual relationship with another man, and then not giving me the same level of attention. And even if she was a virgin and truly asexual, I still wouldn't see the point because I still want to actually have sex with a foid and why should I masturbate if I have female companionship?

I think the change in perspective as I got older, comes from the fact that when you are a teenage and start experiencing attraction for the first time, of course you are going to think of these feelings as being "magical" or "special". You never experienced heartbreak before so you only associate relationships with positive feelings and think that your first gf is your sweetheart or soulmate and is going to stay with you forever and live happily ever after in marriage, on top of what you've been socialized to believe from television, movies, songs, literature, etc. That's why losing your virginity is looked fondly upon, because you've never done something like this why anyone else before, never expressed your sexual desired and shared such a primal experience with another person before, you think of it as a special moment and they'll be honored to be your first. A lot of bluepilled incels who still put off escortcelling still hold on to that notion into adulthood, again because they never had those experiences.

But as they become adults and after they go through cycles of breakups and hookups, the stress that comes with trying to maintain a relationship and please the other person, getting cheated on, rejections, hearing about their oneitis getting their backs blown, etc. it looses it's magic and people see sex for what it is. Foids lose the ability to pair bond and sex for them is not just about "getting their needs met". Modern relationships don't mean shit. A gf is just a fuck buddy that you stay with for a while just to have someone to regularly fuck, then you get bored with her and you move on to the next, rinse and repeat. Then some bluepiller still believes in the fairy tale of marriage, putting female companionship over sex, and that's how they end up becoming betabuxx to roasties looking for resources and he gets divorceraped.

Anyway, as I've said I'm done wanting relationships because they don't mean shit and aren't the idealized things that we are socialized to believe, and after taking the black pill and losing faith to foids I just want sex at this point. I might as well start escortcelling once I get into the mood of moneymaxxing.

No. I don't want sex or women, period. I want to serve Big Brother and the glorious Ingsoc party, ungoodthinkful crimethinker.

 

[Nemesis]

I still like flat/small chest girls. At the same time they are cute and sexy. And this solves the whole Madonna complex that I also suffered for

 

[unanimouslyethnic]

This is really a question of if you want just sex from a woman, or would you rather have female companionship and non-sexual physical intimacy (cuddling, kissing, etc.) and just wanting a woman who "loves" you.

Let's say you find a woman (ideally a Stacy or has your ideal looks) who wants to be your gf, but doesn't want sex. However she's a virgin and also won't have sex with other men, and remains chaste throughout her life because she's asexual (yes, I know asexuality is a meme but let's say she's truly incapable of having a libido or having orgasms, this is all hypothetical), and you don't have to worry about getting cucked. And by sex this includes any genital contact and non-penetrative sex, so kissing and cuddling is allowed.

She is still romantically attracted only to you, and instead wants an exclusive monogamic platonic relationship and you get to live the rest of your life with her together, do outdoor activities together (traveling, hiking, sightseeing, being in nature), hold hands, she cooks and cleans for you, have someone to talk, and cuddle every night and maybe kiss and make out, show platonic affection for each other and she does those things with you and loves you and only you.

She basically becomes your wife for everything else but you don't have sex with her as part of the deal.

Would you still want to be in that type of relationship, or is sex too important?

Spoiler: my thoughts *warning: it's fairly long*

My teenage self would say yes. When I was bluepilled I didn't put too much importance on sex, and the ultimate expression of romantic love and intimacy was getting to French kiss a girl. Basically having my first kiss was my goal in high school and I also just wanted platonic female companionship, not necessarily a regular fuck buddy.

At that time, I thought that only a small portion of foids were hypersexual thots to be used only for sex, and the majority of females (ie how I thought the girls in my school were like) were chaste beings who wanted a man who was virtuous, empathetic, appreciated their beauty, and treated them like princesses, who cared more about personality than a man looks (the "beauty is on the inside" rhetoric, or that the only looks that mattered are the ones that can be changed such as physique and fashion, and that wealth and height aren't important) and of course that didn't want to be sexualized or "used" for a one-nighter, that instead wanted a man who would stay with them and take them out to walks along the beach or at the park and kiss and cuddle under the moonlight, and write love songs and love poems expressing my feelings for her.

I thought of sex at that time as more of a vain activity that people do only for the bodily pleasure of it, that there was very little emotion and intimacy involved, and it was done by misogynistic men who viewed women as just sex objects and "scores" and wouldn't see women as anything beyond that, and that sex wasn't something that most foids enjoyed. Just a hedonistic activity normies do like doing drugs and partying.

This is why at that age I would still watch porn and fap to foids who were "hypersexual" and had big asses, but I never felt any sexual attraction (got lustful or horny for) to any of the girls I had oneitis for and I wouldn't think about them when I was masturbating. I pretty much had a Madonna complex for them. I separated the foids I considered "sexy" [openly thotty women who were hypersexual and promiscuous, high primitive and not very intelligent, tall, Amazonian, not necessarily attractive facially but had huge asses and other exaggerated body features, and dressed provocatively, like to show off their bodies a lot, the bimbo type] and ones that I considered "cute" [more reserved and modest women, gracile and innocent-looking, who were more facially attractive despite being more "flat-bodied", HQNP, the "girl next door" type], and thus women I only had pure lust for, and women I desire more of an emotional and platonic ["romantic"] connection with.

What I mean by the latter is, I would still get shy and feel "butterflies" when they are in their presence, and it would still be a physical (as in based on her looks, albeit non-sexual) attraction, but I would admire their physical beauty like I would admire the beauty of a natural landscape.

Of course, as I got older and more exposed to the red pill/black pill, I start to see female sexuality differently. What I have become to realize is that in reality AWALT, in other words there is no difference between a shy and reserved foid vs a thotty foid, since men will still want sex with both types, both types are Chad only and regularly have sex with Chad (the foids that you see in everyday life whom you wouldn't think are "that type"; that nerdy and book girl in high school, that foid cashier at your local grocery store, your childhood elementary school teacher, the nurse at the hospital; they're all getting or have gotten their backs blown by Chad. Even an "innocent" old granny from church has been on the carousel ride in her heydays), both types are disappointments to their fathers, you see both types get into porn, and both types end up becoming roasties wanting their betabuxx. The girls you had oneitis for and thought were innocent and chaste angels already lost their virginity. It's just because you're not Chad that you never got to see that side of them. Sex was going on behind your back, and that other "hidden world" you didn't get to partake in it. All foids are hoes and they want the same things, and men view all of them the same way.

I've also realized that foids ARE sexual beings, that foids DO want sex. But they only want sex with Chad and only give it to Chad. And she isn't going to not you because you are undesirable in her eyes, you are unfit to reproduce and she won't allow you to pass your genes to the next generation through her. Or they would prostitute themselves in exchange for money, because of course the only thing that men value from women is their sex appeal. Foids are sexual objects and their only point of existence is to make themselves sexually desired by men and exploit their various aspects of their sexuality (including the slutty "naughty girl" type, or the shy "nice girl" type) to use that to their advantage to get what they want from men (if it's Chad, it's his genetics for her offspring; if it's a lower value male, it's money, resources, a free meal, validation, "emotional support", or getting some cuck to do her bidding for her without having to get her hands dirty, etc.). They all live off of male attention and everything they do is to show themselves off and appease men, mainly because their survival depends on it given that they are physically too weak to provide and fend for themselves.

That's why you have the Twitch thots, the gamer girls, the street hookers, the rave queen, the grannies on OnlyFans, etc. They infiltrate male spaces to get simps and get them to orbit her and fight each other for her. No matter how old they are or their temperament, they can't live without getting the attention from men. And ironically they consider this "foid empowerment". Foids are demonic agents of lust and temptation.

Another thing is that sex IS a part of physical and emotional intimacy, and not just a vain act. Of course to have sex you already need close physical contact with another person, and not only that but also be naked in front of each other and exchange each other's bodily fluids. It's something that requires a lot of trust for each other. It's a purely animalistic and primal act that humans normally don't reveal in themselves. But it's also putting your penis inside a woman's vagina is in fact the MOST intimate act you can do, because the very act of sex is about procreating, about releasing your own genetic "essence", a part of you, in order to merge with her own genetic "essence" in order to bring forth a new creation together. In that moment, you literally become one with the flesh, two lineages crossing paths with each other. When you are horny with someone, it implies that you want to reproduce with them, that you want to merge a part of yourself with a part of herself.

Of course, there's still the bodily aspect of sexual pleasure and the release of orgasm, and having your lust be satisfied just like food satisfies your hunter. But of course, it's not just that because during the act of sex there's pair-bonding and with orgasm also comes the release for oxytocin. For example, I've never escorted myself but how many times escortcels mentioned on here that they've caught feelings for hookers that they regularly fucked. Overtime, it also becomes an emotional attraction, even if it started as just lust and just wanting to release your physical desires. You can't really separate the two feelings.

And then of course, the purpose of a relationship is to reproduce, not just mere companionship. A woman isn't looking for a man just for cuddles and going out for walks with him, she's also looking for resources and a man who can provide those resources for her and her potential offspring. Now yes, beyond sex there are some things that men want from women that they can't get from another man, such as emotional and physical intimacy.

So of course, I want sex with a foid, because now I view sex as an important part of a relationship and also me being sexually attracted to a foid and just "romantically" attracted are no longer mutually exclusive. Yes, I still desire female companionship and physical intimacy beyond, but there would be no point for me to be with her if I can't fucking her. Because again, women are sexual beings. It would be cucked if I had a long-term and non-sexual platonic relationship with a foid but then at the same time she was in a real sexual relationship with another man, and then not giving me the same level of attention. And even if she was a virgin and truly asexual, I still wouldn't see the point because I still want to actually have sex with a foid and why should I masturbate if I have female companionship?

I think the change in perspective as I got older, comes from the fact that when you are a teenage and start experiencing attraction for the first time, of course you are going to think of these feelings as being "magical" or "special". You never experienced heartbreak before so you only associate relationships with positive feelings and think that your first gf is your sweetheart or soulmate and is going to stay with you forever and live happily ever after in marriage, on top of what you've been socialized to believe from television, movies, songs, literature, etc. That's why losing your virginity is looked fondly upon, because you've never done something like this why anyone else before, never expressed your sexual desired and shared such a primal experience with another person before, you think of it as a special moment and they'll be honored to be your first. A lot of bluepilled incels who still put off escortcelling still hold on to that notion into adulthood, again because they never had those experiences.

But as they become adults and after they go through cycles of breakups and hookups, the stress that comes with trying to maintain a relationship and please the other person, getting cheated on, rejections, hearing about their oneitis getting their backs blown, etc. it looses it's magic and people see sex for what it is. Foids lose the ability to pair bond and sex for them is not just about "getting their needs met". Modern relationships don't mean shit. A gf is just a fuck buddy that you stay with for a while just to have someone to regularly fuck, then you get bored with her and you move on to the next, rinse and repeat. Then some bluepiller still believes in the fairy tale of marriage, putting female companionship over sex, and that's how they end up becoming betabuxx to roasties looking for resources and he gets divorceraped.

Anyway, as I've said I'm done wanting relationships because they don't mean shit and aren't the idealized things that we are socialized to believe, and after taking the black pill and losing faith to foids I just want sex at this point. I might as well start escortcelling once I get into the mood of moneymaxxing.

nah, having sex is a compulsion, it would be totally worse than inceldom if anything because you would be on edge 24/7 unable to release your sexual desires

 

[ElephantMan]

nah, having sex is a compulsion, it would be totally worse than inceldom if anything because you would be on edge 24/7 unable to release your sexual desires

Precisely,it would be living Hell , foids and Men cannot be friends

 

[frmentalcel]

all of you cucks saying yes should kys no toilet is asexual it doesnt exist

 

[GhostedPhantom]

I want the whole world to be asexual, not only a hypothetical foid. Sex is the root of all suffering and evil ("evil" includes giving birth too).

I actually wouldn't mind a permanent roommate at all, as long as there are no strings attached and it isn't a whore full of chad's cum or a normie trying to bring toilets over. I want to cook my own meals but it's not practical at all when I live by myself. At this point I'm just describing what a clone of myself could do, but I also want someone to boost my status - claiming you have a girlfriend and having something to back that claim up with is a godsend:

If you don't have any social life at all you're an outsider to society. You become a radioactive pariah, a leper, and everyone will actively avoid you.

I don't even care about getting to ascend with her friends (because it's not going to happen), I just want to flex on everyone else while their unstable sex-based relationships inevitably fall apart.

 

[GrodanBoll]

I've gone without sex for so long I think I could handle going without sex for some more time. I just want someone who actually loves me at this point, I could just escortmaxx if sex was the main thing I seek out from a foid

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

want the whole world to be asexual

Then how would humans reproduce themselves? Unless we start genetically modifying ourselves to be hermaphrodites or something.

 

[Mecoja]

Ideal relationship for me, I'm much more touch deprived than sex deprived, loyalty and emotional connection is the most important thing for me. Having anxiety and smaller dick, I'm not even sure I'm able to have sex.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

Ideal relationship for me, I'm much more touch deprived than sex deprived, loyalty and emotional connection is the most important thing for me. Having anxiety and smaller dick, I'm not even sure I'm able to have sex.

Yes, the desire to hold and embrace the warm and soft body of a woman does come to me from time to time especially when I'm up in bed at night. I want both of course but if I'm not in the mood for sex, I would rather just cuddle for hours.

I will say, I would like touching and kissing during coitus.

 

[Mecoja]

Yes, the desire to hold and embrace the warm and soft body of a woman does come to me from time to time especially when I'm up in bed at night. I want both of course but if I'm not in the mood for sex, I would rather just cuddle for hours.

I will say, I would like touching and kissing during coitus.

Same, it must be great cuddling with a woman while sleeping and hugging her from behind early in the morning, holding hands, watching movies together, touching her butt and thighs. Probably after some time not having sex with a woman you're so close would start driving us insane, still situation would be light years ahead of our current situation.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

Same, it must be great cuddling with a woman while sleeping and hugging her from behind early in the morning, holding hands, watching movies together, touching her butt and thighs. Probably after some time not having sex with a woman you're so close would start driving us insane, still situation would be light years ahead of our current situation.

Yes, and hearing her breathe and smelling her perfume under the moonlight, keeping each other warm.

 

[Mecoja]

Yes, and hearing her breathe and smelling her perfume under the moonlight, keeping each other warm.

Smelling foids hair while waiting in lines drives me crazy normies are lucky bastards.

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

Smelling foids hair while waiting in lines drives me crazy normies are lucky bastards.

Yes.

 

[Alexander400]

No man thats just stupid and unrealistic, sure it would be cool to vent to a woman from time to time but in reality there is no such thing as platonic love

 

[GhostedPhantom]

Then how would humans reproduce themselves? Unless we start genetically modifying ourselves to be hermaphrodites or something.

Genetic engineering (especially curing aging, making reproduction mostly unnecessary) and artificial reproduction is where it's at, but frankly, I couldn't care less if the human species dies off anyway. I'm not invested in it.

 

[Todd Thundercock]

I would absolutely take this theoretical asexual scenario. It would actually be perfect for me, and I would be asexual along with her (if you don't count my severe masturbation habit, she can do that also).

Of course, this is not a realistic scenario. All women are hypergamous and use sex to manipulate the best man they can get. I could never trust a woman for a second even if she had serious intentions about being asexual with me.

 

[OGcel1983]

This is really a question of if you want just sex from a woman, or would you rather have female companionship and non-sexual physical intimacy (cuddling, kissing, etc.) and just wanting a woman who "loves" you.

Let's say you find a woman (ideally a Stacy or has your ideal looks) who wants to be your gf, but doesn't want sex. However she's a virgin and also won't have sex with other men, and remains chaste throughout her life because she's asexual (yes, I know asexuality is a meme but let's say she's truly incapable of having a libido or having orgasms, this is all hypothetical), and you don't have to worry about getting cucked. And by sex this includes any genital contact and non-penetrative sex, so kissing and cuddling is allowed.

She is still romantically attracted only to you, and instead wants an exclusive monogamic platonic relationship and you get to live the rest of your life with her together, do outdoor activities together (traveling, hiking, sightseeing, being in nature), hold hands, she cooks and cleans for you, have someone to talk, and cuddle every night and maybe kiss and make out, show platonic affection for each other and she does those things with you and loves you and only you.

She basically becomes your wife for everything else but you don't have sex with her as part of the deal.

Would you still want to be in that type of relationship, or is sex too important?

Spoiler: my thoughts *warning: it's fairly long*

My teenage self would say yes. When I was bluepilled I didn't put too much importance on sex, and the ultimate expression of romantic love and intimacy was getting to French kiss a girl. Basically having my first kiss was my goal in high school and I also just wanted platonic female companionship, not necessarily a regular fuck buddy.

At that time, I thought that only a small portion of foids were hypersexual thots to be used only for sex, and the majority of females (ie how I thought the girls in my school were like) were chaste beings who wanted a man who was virtuous, empathetic, appreciated their beauty, and treated them like princesses, who cared more about personality than a man looks (the "beauty is on the inside" rhetoric, or that the only looks that mattered are the ones that can be changed such as physique and fashion, and that wealth and height aren't important) and of course that didn't want to be sexualized or "used" for a one-nighter, that instead wanted a man who would stay with them and take them out to walks along the beach or at the park and kiss and cuddle under the moonlight, and write love songs and love poems expressing my feelings for her.

I thought of sex at that time as more of a vain activity that people do only for the bodily pleasure of it, that there was very little emotion and intimacy involved, and it was done by misogynistic men who viewed women as just sex objects and "scores" and wouldn't see women as anything beyond that, and that sex wasn't something that most foids enjoyed. Just a hedonistic activity normies do like doing drugs and partying.

This is why at that age I would still watch porn and fap to foids who were "hypersexual" and had big asses, but I never felt any sexual attraction (got lustful or horny for) to any of the girls I had oneitis for and I wouldn't think about them when I was masturbating. I pretty much had a Madonna complex for them. I separated the foids I considered "sexy" [openly thotty women who were hypersexual and promiscuous, high primitive and not very intelligent, tall, Amazonian, not necessarily attractive facially but had huge asses and other exaggerated body features, and dressed provocatively, like to show off their bodies a lot, the bimbo type] and ones that I considered "cute" [more reserved and modest women, gracile and innocent-looking, who were more facially attractive despite being more "flat-bodied", HQNP, the "girl next door" type], and thus women I only had pure lust for, and women I desire more of an emotional and platonic ["romantic"] connection with.

What I mean by the latter is, I would still get shy and feel "butterflies" when they are in their presence, and it would still be a physical (as in based on her looks, albeit non-sexual) attraction, but I would admire their physical beauty like I would admire the beauty of a natural landscape.

Of course, as I got older and more exposed to the red pill/black pill, I start to see female sexuality differently. What I have become to realize is that in reality AWALT, in other words there is no difference between a shy and reserved foid vs a thotty foid, since men will still want sex with both types, both types are Chad only and regularly have sex with Chad (the foids that you see in everyday life whom you wouldn't think are "that type"; that nerdy and book girl in high school, that foid cashier at your local grocery store, your childhood elementary school teacher, the nurse at the hospital; they're all getting or have gotten their backs blown by Chad. Even an "innocent" old granny from church has been on the carousel ride in her heydays), both types are disappointments to their fathers, you see both types get into porn, and both types end up becoming roasties wanting their betabuxx. The girls you had oneitis for and thought were innocent and chaste angels already lost their virginity. It's just because you're not Chad that you never got to see that side of them. Sex was going on behind your back, and that other "hidden world" you didn't get to partake in it. All foids are hoes and they want the same things, and men view all of them the same way.

I've also realized that foids ARE sexual beings, that foids DO want sex. But they only want sex with Chad and only give it to Chad. And she isn't going to not you because you are undesirable in her eyes, you are unfit to reproduce and she won't allow you to pass your genes to the next generation through her. Or they would prostitute themselves in exchange for money, because of course the only thing that men value from women is their sex appeal. Foids are sexual objects and their only point of existence is to make themselves sexually desired by men and exploit their various aspects of their sexuality (including the slutty "naughty girl" type, or the shy "nice girl" type) to use that to their advantage to get what they want from men (if it's Chad, it's his genetics for her offspring; if it's a lower value male, it's money, resources, a free meal, validation, "emotional support", or getting some cuck to do her bidding for her without having to get her hands dirty, etc.). They all live off of male attention and everything they do is to show themselves off and appease men, mainly because their survival depends on it given that they are physically too weak to provide and fend for themselves.

That's why you have the Twitch thots, the gamer girls, the street hookers, the rave queen, the grannies on OnlyFans, etc. They infiltrate male spaces to get simps and get them to orbit her and fight each other for her. No matter how old they are or their temperament, they can't live without getting the attention from men. And ironically they consider this "foid empowerment". Foids are demonic agents of lust and temptation.

Another thing is that sex IS a part of physical and emotional intimacy, and not just a vain act. Of course to have sex you already need close physical contact with another person, and not only that but also be naked in front of each other and exchange each other's bodily fluids. It's something that requires a lot of trust for each other. It's a purely animalistic and primal act that humans normally don't reveal in themselves. But it's also putting your penis inside a woman's vagina is in fact the MOST intimate act you can do, because the very act of sex is about procreating, about releasing your own genetic "essence", a part of you, in order to merge with her own genetic "essence" in order to bring forth a new creation together. In that moment, you literally become one with the flesh, two lineages crossing paths with each other. When you are horny with someone, it implies that you want to reproduce with them, that you want to merge a part of yourself with a part of herself.

Of course, there's still the bodily aspect of sexual pleasure and the release of orgasm, and having your lust be satisfied just like food satisfies your hunter. But of course, it's not just that because during the act of sex there's pair-bonding and with orgasm also comes the release for oxytocin. For example, I've never escorted myself but how many times escortcels mentioned on here that they've caught feelings for hookers that they regularly fucked. Overtime, it also becomes an emotional attraction, even if it started as just lust and just wanting to release your physical desires. You can't really separate the two feelings.

And then of course, the purpose of a relationship is to reproduce, not just mere companionship. A woman isn't looking for a man just for cuddles and going out for walks with him, she's also looking for resources and a man who can provide those resources for her and her potential offspring. Now yes, beyond sex there are some things that men want from women that they can't get from another man, such as emotional and physical intimacy.

So of course, I want sex with a foid, because now I view sex as an important part of a relationship and also me being sexually attracted to a foid and just "romantically" attracted are no longer mutually exclusive. Yes, I still desire female companionship and physical intimacy beyond, but there would be no point for me to be with her if I can't fucking her. Because again, women are sexual beings. It would be cucked if I had a long-term and non-sexual platonic relationship with a foid but then at the same time she was in a real sexual relationship with another man, and then not giving me the same level of attention. And even if she was a virgin and truly asexual, I still wouldn't see the point because I still want to actually have sex with a foid and why should I masturbate if I have female companionship?

I think the change in perspective as I got older, comes from the fact that when you are a teenage and start experiencing attraction for the first time, of course you are going to think of these feelings as being "magical" or "special". You never experienced heartbreak before so you only associate relationships with positive feelings and think that your first gf is your sweetheart or soulmate and is going to stay with you forever and live happily ever after in marriage, on top of what you've been socialized to believe from television, movies, songs, literature, etc. That's why losing your virginity is looked fondly upon, because you've never done something like this why anyone else before, never expressed your sexual desired and shared such a primal experience with another person before, you think of it as a special moment and they'll be honored to be your first. A lot of bluepilled incels who still put off escortcelling still hold on to that notion into adulthood, again because they never had those experiences.

But as they become adults and after they go through cycles of breakups and hookups, the stress that comes with trying to maintain a relationship and please the other person, getting cheated on, rejections, hearing about their oneitis getting their backs blown, etc. it looses it's magic and people see sex for what it is. Foids lose the ability to pair bond and sex for them is not just about "getting their needs met". Modern relationships don't mean shit. A gf is just a fuck buddy that you stay with for a while just to have someone to regularly fuck, then you get bored with her and you move on to the next, rinse and repeat. Then some bluepiller still believes in the fairy tale of marriage, putting female companionship over sex, and that's how they end up becoming betabuxx to roasties looking for resources and he gets divorceraped.

Anyway, as I've said I'm done wanting relationships because they don't mean shit and aren't the idealized things that we are socialized to believe, and after taking the black pill and losing faith to foids I just want sex at this point. I might as well start escortcelling once I get into the mood of moneymaxxing.

If she buys me McDonald's and takes me on vacations to Europe, then sure.

 

[Chudpreet]

If she buys me McDonald's and takes me on vacations to Europe, then sure.

Every post I’ve seen from you is about hating whites, yet you want to go to Europe?