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Discussion Why is it that some incels on this fourm do not hate women. Logically, speaking, all incels should hate women bc they are responsible for our inceldom

what would hating them even accomplish lmao youll still be an incel all the same
 
It's unrealistic because it won't meet people's needs. People need freedom. It fails because when people don't get freedom, they fight their oppressors.
In an ideal society, women who disobey the incel-made laws will be immediately dealt with, it would not be unrealistic to control a group of people, it's been done before. For example, in Afghanistan, women almost have zero rights, but they are powerless to stop the Tabliban government from dictating their lives. In Iran, women sometimes riot, but they still have no power because the authorities quell all rebellions in their country. In Russia, lbgtq people don't have the right to free speech, whenever they attempt to riot or cause any problems, they are quickly put down by the police. Like I said. It is possible to take away women's rights without society collapsing
 
In an ideal society, women who disobey the incel-made laws will be immediately dealt with, it would not be unrealistic to control a group of people, it's been done before. For example, in Afghanistan, women almost have zero rights, but they are powerless to stop the Tabliban government from dictating their lives. In Iran, women sometimes riot, but they still have no power because the authorities quell all rebellions in their country. In Russia, lbgtq people don't have the right to free speech, whenever they attempt to riot or cause any problems, they are quickly put down by the police. Like I said. It is possible to take away women's rights without society collapsing

You're talking about two of the most turbulent, unstable societies on the planet. The Taliban was oustered until very recently. They think Putin might be dead. These aren't even societies, really.
 
You cannot take the cuck out of men.
 
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Wait, what?- I thought we pay for groceries because the people who grow the food and prepare it want to be paid for their work
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Because there's too much government interference in the production and supply of food for there to be alternatives for most people. Everyone's content with it because governments are 'reasonable' about it unlike foids. Look at countries rife in corruption. If some cucks here are willing to use it to justify Foids' hypergamy and degeneracy, it only bolsters the argument of men being more tribal in terms of resource and labour.

Edit: It's saddening to see users on this forum getting dissuaded, gaslighted, and losing conviction because of some virtue-signaling soy-manwhores.
 
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its such a waste of energy to hate somebody. of course there are moments when im in a public place and i really feel the burden of being a low smv man in the west and get butthurt though.
 
I hate normies and women. If you don’t hate normies as well as women you are a cuck and should be banned. We should celebrate Normie death
Whats a "normie" is completely subjective. Someone else could just twist things and claim you're a normie then justify your death if it it occurred. You're like a college kid who wants to eat the rich not realizing that the mob will come for them next.

If an incel revolution occurred they would go around killing other incels while leaving normies to themselves I can guarantee you.
 
I hate some women but not all. I hate those that take advantage of the blackpill and the grifters the most. The rest are just submitting to their nature.

Do you hate predators for stalking their pray? Do you hate lions for eating new-born baby animals? It's just what they do, to hate them for it seems rather pointless.

There is other emotions one can use.
 
Whats a "normie" is completely subjective. Someone else could just twist things and claim you're a normie then justify your death if it it occurred. You're like a college kid who wants to eat the rich not realizing that the mob will come for them next.

If an incel revolution occurred they would go around killing other incels while leaving normies to themselves I can guarantee you.
No cope Im non NT and chronically online for all my teen years I’ll never be a Normie. Your hypothetical is a cope and no it isn’t subjective I can explain to you why it isn’t
 
Should I hate the grocery store because they won't let me steal food?

As necessary as it is for me to eat, that doesn't obligate them to give me food for free.

The issue here is a dating market recession. Too many men applying creates higher criteria. You solve
it the same way they solve bad economies and job market recessions. Of course the government don't
give a shit about men really.

*Allow female ONLY migration (flood economy with competition)

*Create more women (turn more men into transexuals)

*Allow men to take wives from other countries

*Force dating apps to show women how many messages/likes men are sending to other women. If
you copy n paste, women will see it. If Chad sends a message to 200 women, it will look bad on his profile.
 
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When I'm browsing this forum, I sometimes see cucked users say, "I don't hate women" wtf? How do you not hate women when they are denying you a happy life? They literally deny men basic human needs such as love, sex, and intimacy. This is equivalent to saying that a black slave does not hate his abusive slave owner. Incels not hating women does not make sense at all. Most women are shallow, selfish, spoiled, and toxic. If you don't hate women, you are a cuck, they the culprits of our Inceldom
ABSOLUTELY!!
 
The issue here is a dating market recession. Too many men applying creates higher criteria. You solve
it the same way they solve bad economies and job market recessions. Of course the government don't
give a shit about men really.

*Allow female ONLY migration (flood economy with competition)

*Create more women (turn more men into transexuals)

*Allow men to take wives from other countries

*Force dating apps to show women how many messages/likes men are sending to other women. If
you copy n paste, women will see it. If Chad sends a message to 200 women, it will look bad on his profile.

There's a number of reasons the allegory stops working at this point. Chief among them, I am not fucking a transsexual.
 
No cope Im non NT and chronically online for all my teen years I’ll never be a Normie. Your hypothetical is a cope and no it isn’t subjective I can explain to you why it isn’t
That's not the point. What I'm saying is someone else views you as a normie it doesn't matter what you think of yourself. With men its everyone for themselves, theres no "us vs them" with "the normies".

And no offence but the fact that you have a pepe avatar + have to state you were online for your teen years is very normie. Its like its so abnormal to you that you have to state it.
 
I hate women for a lot of reasons and my inceldom isn't that high on the list. For just going out of their way to try to inflict harm on me for existing as an ugly male, their nation wrecking them being a determent to any and all workplaces, not being able to fix my brain injury and instead getting insult to injury from medical staff, trying to get cucks to attack me on more than one instance, trying to get me fired for existing, race mixing, what they do to dogs, divorce. Those all rank much higher on the list of reasons why I hate toilets than my inceldom. Hell if my only complaint was I cannot fuck them then I'd only have a mild disdain for them.
 
That's not the point. What I'm saying is someone else views you as a normie it doesn't matter what you think of yourself. With men its everyone for themselves, theres no "us vs them" with "the normies".
The definition of a Normie is set defined here. Also yes it is everyone for themselves I don’t deny that but for the most part people in the incel situation should stick together.
And no offence but the fact that you have a pepe avatar + have to state you were online for your teen years is very normie. Its like its so abnormal to you that you have to state it.
No it isn’t. Being chronically online in eccentric spaces is not Normie.
 
If a store refuses to sell me alcohol due to being underage, do i hate the grocer or the law maker?

The governments have allowed this looks discrimination to take hold. They have neglected this for nearly
15 years and it is getting worse. Male beauty standards are too HIGH and women are expecting too much.

Birth rates are plummeting because of online dating and WOMEN.
 
The definition of a Normie is set defined here. Also yes it is everyone for themselves I don’t deny that but for the most part people in the incel situation should stick together.

No it isn’t. Being chronically online in eccentric spaces is not Normie.
People into rock music would call us normies for example, or losers. Its a subjective term. Going "kill all normies" just leads to hatred towards anyone you deem as being a "normie".
 
People into rock music would call us normies for example, or losers. Its a subjective term. Going "kill all normies" just leads to hatred towards anyone you deem as being a "normie".
False no they wouldn’t dude this isn’t the fucking 1980s metal scene. Rock isn’t a niche thing and those type of people are old boomers/Gen x now.
 
I hate white women. White women are skut sluts and whores that bang Tyrone and Chad along with dogs and cats and other women. Even white women are child molestors raping kids. White women should be eradicated.
 
I hate white women. White women are skut sluts and whores that bang Tyrone and Chad along with dogs and cats and other women. Even white women are child molestors raping kids. White women should be eradicated.
I hate white women too, but I hate brown women more because they are race traitors and they are whores just like white women. I'm a brown male and not even ugly brown girls Want to give me a chance.
 
I don't hate women. I just want them to go away. Women are effectively more annoying but less dangerous niggers to me.
 
I hate normies and women. If you don’t hate normies as well as women you are a cuck and should be banned. We should celebrate Normie death
Men and women are both responsible for my suffering and they reject taking accountability. So fuck them all.
 
Women are wicked ,but God still loves us even though we are still wicked! Wordly love is only given to those who love us in return but heavenly love is unconditional!
 
Women cockblock by making prostitution illegal. They gatekeep sexuality in general.
Even if that were true, are they meant to partner with you?

Continuing the grocery store & customer allegory, there are plenty of customers that can actually afford the goods.
 
How is going er low iq?
cuz youre just chimping out then, instead of accepting that its ovER. note that chimping out is not going to do anything
 
The answer to this question ultimately comes down to how you view choice and personal agency in conjunction with their nature. Males have a nature, as do females. If we are to suppose that people's agency is subordinate to their nature and that they have no say in how they feel and act, then you can't hate the human female (or male).
Yup. It's all about whether you accept blaming things for being as they are or not.
If you do, then you must hate the human female, because their volition brings about suffering.
I disagree. You can, of course, but I don't think you "must". With that logic, beckies can just as validly blame chads for being Casanovas. Chad choosing not to settle for a becky causes suffering for the becky as well.
 
When I'm browsing this forum, I sometimes see cucked users say, "I don't hate women" wtf? How do you not hate women when they are denying you a happy life? They literally deny men basic human needs such as love, sex, and intimacy. This is equivalent to saying that a black slave does not hate his abusive slave owner. Incels not hating women does not make sense at all. Most women are shallow, selfish, spoiled, and toxic. If you don't hate women, you are a cuck, they the culprits of our Inceldom
I don't hate foids.

Foids are mere livestock.

Livestock must me taken care of, not loved nor hated.

There is no such thing as "women".
 
I disagree. You can, of course, but I don't think you "must". With that logic, beckies can just as validly blame chads for being Casanovas. Chad choosing not to settle for a becky causes suffering for the becky as well.
Sure, you don't have to. But then you're not being morally consistent and are simply excusing bad choices and behavior.
 
Sure, you don't have to. But then you're not being morally consistent and are simply excusing bad choices and behavior.
Sorry but I'm not following. How exactly would one be morally inconsistent in that case? And what exactly does "bad" mean in "bad choices and behavior"?
 
Sorry but I'm not following. How exactly would one be morally inconsistent in that case?
Because feelings (like hate and love) are emotional expressions of moral evaluations. You hate something because (you believe) it is bad and you hate someone for being (you believe) bad or doing bad things.

If you hold the position that a person makes a choice that you deem to be morally bad (esp. one that affects you) but then claim that you don't (or shouldn't) hate them, then this is where the inconsistency arises. There's a disconnect between the words and your feelings towards the person whom you believe has moral agency.

And what exactly does "bad" mean in "bad choices and behavior"?
What you deem to be morally negative in your moral system. In this case the bad thing is suffering that is a consequence from the choices that the female makes.
 
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Should I hate the grocery store because they won't let me steal food?

As necessary as it is for me to eat, that doesn't obligate them to give me food for free.
You should hate the grocery store for increasing the prices of bread to crazy levels exploiting widespread famine.

How can someone even come out with this super cucked 2012 argument here holy shit
 
Sorry but I'm not following. How exactly would one be morally inconsistent in that case? And what exactly does "bad" mean in "bad choices and behavior"?
There's a difference between a malnourished kid from third-world crying for food and a first-world kid whining about not getting their favourite dessert. There's a difference between being born poor and ending up poor by investing in some shitcoin.
 
We pay for groceries because a fair exchange between parties is fundamental to society. If you're talking about sexual socialism, capitalism will always find a way because people will demand it.
Bs. Capitalism is full degeneracy. Also if you accept women to have higher sexual value you must also support them having less political rights to balance shit out
 
You should hate the grocery store for increasing the prices of bread to crazy levels exploiting widespread famine.

How can someone even come out with this super cucked 2012 argument here holy shit
Men will cause always in-fighting amongst themselves to protect muh precious foids, even on a forum like this. Too many nihilistcels (simps in disguise) and simpcels on this forum.
 
Because unfortunately most people here are too busy hating themselves
 
Because feelings (like hate and love) are emotional expressions of moral evaluations. You hate something because (you believe) it is bad and you hate someone for being (you believe) bad or doing bad things.

If you hold the position that a person makes a choice that you deem to be morally bad (esp. one that affects you) but then claim that you don't (or shouldn't) hate them, then this is where the inconsistency arises. There's a disconnect between the words and your feelings towards the person whom you believe has moral agency.


What you deem to be morally negative in your moral system. In this case the bad thing is suffering that is a consequence from the choices that the female makes.
Ah, I see. You were presupossing the subject was incel (or at least male). In that case I agree with you.
 
Ah, I see. You were presupossing the subject was incel (or at least male). In that case I agree with you.
The argument applies in general. If you hold the position that nature supersedes volition, then moral agency is subordinate to that nature and thus moral evaluations cannot be applied to actions, since there is no choice in how your nature is expressed. That would be a similar position that hard determinists hold wrt to crime and punishment and how it relates to moral actions.

If you hold that volition supersedes nature, then actions - irrespective of nature - carry moral weights, in which case it would be irrational to hate someone for something that is not in their control due to their nature. I'm not sure where exactly you're not following, tbhngl.
 
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The argument applies in general. If you hold the position that nature supersedes volition, then moral agency is subordinate to that nature and thus moral evaluations cannot be applied to actions, since there is no choice in how your nature is expressed. That would be a similar position that hard determinists hold wrt to crime and punishment and how it relates to moral actions.

If you hold that volition supersedes nature, then actions - irrespective of nature - carry moral weights, in which case it would be irrational to hate someone for something that is not in their control due to their nature. I'm not sure where exactly you're not following, tbhngl.
The argument you make above applies in general, yes. However, I was referring to
If you do, then you must hate the human female, because their volition brings about suffering.
An unspecified subject would not necessarily be morally inconsistent for hating femalos. That presupposes that
the subject was incel (or at least male).
I hope the confusion is cleared up now.
 
Women cockblock by making prostitution illegal. They gatekeep sexuality in general.

The illegality of prostitution is not the same as keeping women from having sex with you. Those women don't want to have sex with you, they're just willing to for a price. That's where the analogy stops working because you can't treat humans like commodities.

You should hate the grocery store for increasing the prices of bread to crazy levels exploiting widespread famine.

How can someone even come out with this super cucked 2012 argument here holy shit

That's how the free market works. And as free as the market is, human consent is freer.

Bs. Capitalism is full degeneracy. Also if you accept women to have higher sexual value you must also support them having less political rights to balance shit out

"You're too popular, so in exchange you don't get to vote?" That makes no sense and I don't support it.
 
Those women don't want to have sex with you, they're just willing to for a price. That's where the analogy stops working because you can't treat humans like commodities.
Nah you can be mad at women for voting to make prostitution illegal. They’re actively getting in the way of the legalization of a service that allows a man to get sex that is consensual and agreed upon.
 
Nah you can be mad at women for voting to make prostitution illegal. They’re actively getting in the way of the legalization of a service that allows a man to get sex that is consensual and agreed upon.

It's not women alone who oppose prostitution, and plenty of women are FOR prostitution. Like the prostitutes.
 
That's how the free market works. And as free as the market is, human consent is freer
No it’s not. This is violently exploiting other people’s needs. If you do that then the clients are allowed to rob your store. Period. Wanna play nature game? Let’s play at 100%
 
No it’s not. This is violently exploiting other people’s needs. If you do that then the clients are allowed to rob your store. Period. Wanna play nature game? Let’s play at 100%

The market is free, and shoplifting is still illegal.
 
The market is free, and shoplifting is still illegal.
The market is free as long as you don’t exploit other people’s necessities in bad faith. If you are in bad faith they are allowed to act in bad faith too
 
I hate them because they hated me first. I don't have any positive interaction with females since ever.
 
For me I see it the same way I see a lion chasing a zibra, purley instictual behaviour. Foids chasing only Chads is no different and since they are intellectually inferior, they can't help it and start following their instincts.
 

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