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Serious Why does God allow suffering?

Did you even watch the videos? I just can't comprehend how you will still think this way if you actually listened to the information provided.

I did watch both, isn't the first time I hear religious people justifying an omnipotent being doing nothing for people's suffering. Free will is irrelevant compared to children being graped and killed. Or me dying alone as a virgin.

If someone raped and killed one of your family, and someone was close and able to easily save him, but didn't do shit, wouldn't you be mad? Then, why justify God? Same case.
 
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Who told you this? Prophet Muhammad is not a god at all
>"Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad!!!! We have to mention Muhammad's name every single time we pray to God, so at least 8+ times a day, and we have to EXPLICITLY praise him with the highest honors possible every single time we even utter his name. Muhammad will literally be there in Heaven walking around and talking to us all while we all shiver in excitement that we get to meet Muhammad, and he will then give us tons of booze that we will never get hang overs from as we have sex with our angel-slaves and party it up with Muhammad."

>"Muhammad is SO important to us, in fact, that we felt the need to fucking document every single thing he ever did INCLUDING how he shits, as well as how he walked around and had sex with his twelve wives in one hour one evening. Hey, did I ever tell you about Muhammad btw?"
 
I have zero clue where you're getting these stats from.
I'll make a post on it when I have time, also the political shift on incels.is is a result from the type of algorithm it feeds into online. Very interesting and there is a lot to say.

But I give you a challenge, find one libtard from when the site was first released
 
Don't think of it that way, we don't die as a result of the free will - it is the suffering as a result from mankind disobeying God in the Garden of Eden. It's Satan's doings.

@Leblid
Man is too much of a pussy to ever acknowledge that he is the only one truly at fault for his fall.
 
I did watch both, isn't the first time I hear religious people justifying an omnipotent being doing nothing for people's suffering. Free will is irrelevant compared to children being graped and killed. Or me dying alone as a virgin.

If someone raped and killed one of your family, and someone was close and able to easily save him, but didn't do shit, wouldn't you be mad? Then, why justify God? Same case.
Free will is not just about protecting someone's choice to commit evil. The idea is that a world where people can love, choose, and act also allows them to harm others if they wish to. If God prevented every evil act the moment it happened, our freedom would become largely misleading - and wouldn't be true freedom.
 
Free will is not just about protecting someone's choice to commit evil. The idea is that a world where people can love, choose, and act also allows them to harm others if they wish to. If God prevented every evil act the moment it happened, our freedom would become largely misleading - and wouldn't be true freedom.
Wouldn't the whole idea of God's plan and the elect contradict that
 
>"Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad!!!! We have to mention Muhammad's name every single time we pray to God, so at least 8+ times a day, and we have to EXPLICITLY praise him with the highest honors possible every single time we even utter his name. Muhammad will literally be there in Heaven walking around and talking to us all while we all shiver in excitement that we get to meet Muhammad, and he will then give us tons of booze that we will never get hang overs from as we have sex with our angel-slaves and party it up with Muhammad."

>"Muhammad is SO important to us, in fact, that we felt the need to fucking document every single thing he ever did INCLUDING how he shits, as well as how he walked around and had sex with his twelve wives in one hour one evening. Hey, did I ever tell you about Muhammad btw?"
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Wouldn't the whole idea of God's plan and the elect contradict that
What do you mean?

God doesn't choose people for salvation, little thread on it:

And free will is arguably the main part of God's plan for humanity - for people to choose him - rather him choosing us.
 
This is a question that has been haunting religioncels for many thousands of years.

I don't suspect we will ever truly find the answer, unfortunately.

That is my unbiased take.
All apart of God's plan beyond human comprehension
 
This is not a very satisfying answer for me.
Well it's the truth, we can try and find answers for different topics, but sometimes we will never truly know.
 
Well it's the truth, we can try and find answers for different topics, but sometimes we will never truly know.
How do you know it's the truth though? I respect Christianity but just saying "it's the truth" doesn't do anything for me, I would like proof.
 
How do you know it's the truth though? I respect Christianity but just saying "it's the truth" doesn't do anything for me, I would like proof.
There's a bunch of verses but I can't remember the main ones

This is just from a google search:
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."
- Isaiah 55:8-9
 
>Dude, i know God preventing child rape and killing sounds worth it, BUT TRUST ME, IT ISN'T.
Not that it matters anyways - it's man's doing as a result of the free will.

Sure God can stop people if he wanted to but he isn't going to stop us from having the free will that he proimised us.

God gave us free will as a part of his plan, so that we can ultimately make decisions ourselves temporary under the influence of the devil.
 
Don't think of it that way, we don't die as a result of the free will - it is the suffering as a result from mankind disobeying God in the Garden of Eden. It's Satan's doings.

@Leblid

So, for the mistake of the ones in the Garden, everyone must pay? Sounds like something that a Drug Lord or a bloody dictator would say.

Also: Who created Satan?...right.
 
There's a bunch of verses but I can't remember the main ones

This is just from a google search:
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."
- Isaiah 55:8-9
"No one can comprehend what goes on under the sun... even if the wise claim they know, they cannot really comprehend it."

Ecclesiastes 8:17

How can you claim to know the pure truth in light of this passage?
 
"No one can comprehend what goes on under the sun... even if the wise claim they know, they cannot really comprehend it."

Ecclesiastes 8:17
I think that was the one

How can you claim to know the pure truth in light of this passage?
What do you mean by this? As in how do you claim to know that God is above our comprehension?
 
Not that it matters anyways - it's man's doing as a result of the free will.

Who created men? Who created the apple? Who created Satan? Who created the temptation?

Not that it matters anyways

Yeah, who cares if children are raped and killed, and who cares if someone with power and plain knowing of it could have prevented it but chose to don't. Totally not what a psychopath would do.

Sure God can stop people if he wanted to

Well, he should.

God gave us free will as a part of his plan, so that we can ultimately make decisions ourselves temporary under the influence of the devil.

Again, free will is irrelevant, happiness is all what matters. God could in theory press a button and make us all happy for eternity, but he chooses to not do it.
 
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So, for the mistake of the ones in the Garden, everyone must pay? Sounds like something that a Drug Lord or a bloody dictator would say.
Well yes and no... We inherit the consequences of humanity's fall, not personal guilt for Adam and Eve's choice. Just like how we inherit the effects of others actions.

Also: Who created Satan?...right.
God created Satan - but gave him free will. Satan is a fallen angel as you'd already know.
 
Who created men?
God, doesn't mean mankind should have gone against Him
Who created the apple?
God, doesn't mean we should eat it
Who created Satan?
God, doesn't mean his acts are from God
Who created the temptation?
Different approach:
Does God tempt people to sin? No.
Did God create a world in which temptation is possible? Yes.

Yeah, who cares if children are raped and killed, and who cares if someone with power and plain knowing of it could have prevented it but chose to don't. Totally not what a psychopath would do.



Well, he should.



Again, free will is irrelevant, happiness is all what matters. God could in theory press a button and make us all happy for eternity, but he chooses to not do it.
I've already given my biblical reply, take it or leave it. You have a free will to do so kek
 
Don't think of it that way, we don't die as a result of the free will - it is the suffering as a result from mankind disobeying God in the Garden of Eden. It's Satan's doings.

@Leblid


Well yes and no... We inherit the consequences of humanity's fall, not personal guilt for Adam and Eve's choice. Just like how we inherit the effects of others actions.

God created Satan - but gave him free will. Satan is a fallen angel as you'd already know.

You said, or implied, that people die of natural disaster for what happened on that garden, so yeah, pretty much people pay for something that they didn't choose. Did they have a chance to choose to not get killed? How is that fair or freewill?

God created Satan - but gave him free will. Satan is a fallen angel as you'd already know.

Why create him first place? Just make humans not have free will, who cares, make them slaves but happy.
 
You said, or implied, that people die of natural disaster for what happened on that garden, so yeah, pretty much people pay for something that they didn't choose. Did they have a chance to choose to not get killed? How is that fair or freewill?



Why create him first place? Just make humans not have free will, who cares, make them slaves but happy.
I might write a more in depth reply later, but in this thread I talked heaps about it in the replies:
 
God, doesn't mean his acts are from God

Who created all the nano particles of Satan? God. So I would say all his acts are from God is that way, even more with the fact that he didn't get
infinite power such as God. Apparently free-will can exist even when you have limited power, but I'm not sure about that.
 
I think that was the one


What do you mean by this? As in how do you claim to know that God is above our comprehension?

Same as I quoted before

"No one can comprehend what goes on under the sun... even if the wise claim they know, they cannot really comprehend it."

Ecclesiastes 8:17"

If no one can comprehend anything under the sun, and if you claim to know it you do not really comprehend. How can you say what is and is not God's will? No one knows. I don't claim to know God's comprehension because this verse tells us we cannot know it.
 
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Same as I quoted before

"No one can comprehend what goes on under the sun... even if the wise claim they know, they cannot really comprehend it."

Ecclesiastes 8:17"

If no one can comprehend anything under the sun, and if you claim to know it you do not really comprehend. How can you say what is and is not God's will? No one knows. I don't claim to know God's comprehension because this verse tells us we cannot know it.
The verse means that whilst we can still comprehend certain biblical aspects that are told to us in the bible - we can't comprehend EVERYTHING. We can't comprehend all the works of God - such as what we were mentioning earlier.
 
O versículo significa que, embora possamos compreender certos aspectos bíblicos que nos são apresentados na Bíblia, não podemos compreender TUDO. Não podemos compreender todas as obras de Deus, como as que mencionamos anteriormente.
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Why does God allow bad things to happen?

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When we say God is all powerful, that doesn't mean everything that happens is God's will. He chose to limit his power by creating us with a free will.


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If God were to intervene every time there was evil and suffering in the world, then none of us would have free will. If God were to intervene on the evil in this world, then why are we still here to this day.

--THREAD ON BOTH RELIGION + LOUNGE--
Because God doesn’t care about subhumans
 
I've never heard that in my life

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If you are a Christian, then you believe in the trinity. If you follow Christ then you believe in the trinity.

As a protestant pentecostal I believe in the trinity
Jfl, the trinity is a false doctrine though, but whatever. Not like I give a fuck.
 
I liked these vids 👍
 
I will make a thread sometime about how God is the ultimate truth, and the Bible is the only objective absolute. I'll just spam the evidence.
Hopefully it will open your eyes and many others of the users here. Although unfortunately many users wouldn't believe in Jesus even if He was in their room.

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Why does God allow bad things to happen?

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When we say God is all powerful, that doesn't mean everything that happens is God's will. He chose to limit his power by creating us with a free will.


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If God were to intervene every time there was evil and suffering in the world, then none of us would have free will. If God were to intervene on the evil in this world, then why are we still here to this day.

--THREAD ON BOTH RELIGION + LOUNGE--
Because he doesn't know about us, he doesn't have acknowledge.
 
No ((god)) for your inceldom
 

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