Blackpill Whenever you’re in conversation with someone, one of you is in control.

[ColdLightOfDay]

I noticed this the other day when I was getting my IPad fixed by one of the nerds they have at the apple store. Though I can stray back and forth between low and high inhib, and low to high energy, I am usually very low energy when talking to strangers I don’t know. Anyway, this guy was maybe autistic, clearly uncomfortable in his own skin and evidently found his job of having to interact with the public difficult. For some reason my subconscious must have seen this as an invitation to lower my inhibitions and I instantly became the one leading the conversation, being assertive in finding out what I needed to know.

The strange thing is I think I was apprehensive before the conversation because physically he mogged me in pretty much every way, but his self-assuredness was weaker than mine and it was clear to me that I had become the one in control.

The fact I had approached the conversation apprehensively because he mogged me shows that who is in control of an interaction is usually mandated by who physically mogs the other. Though the fact he was socially awkward gave me the upper hand, had this not been the case, he would have been the one wieldeding control, because my subconscious, cognizant to the mogging, would have forbid me from daring to be too assertive towards him. Likewise, if I mogged him, I would have entered the conversation with the upper hand established, and he would have had to prove himself as ultra low-inhib or assertive to wrest the upper hand from me.

The true Blackpill is that this dynamic is at play every time you interact with another person, including women. The entire nature of human interaction is an incessant and inescapable power struggle. People either see you as more, or less than them, and their subconscious will dominate and control the conversation to a varying degree dependent on how far more, or how far less. If they mog you physically then they already start with the control, and if you want to get it back you’d better be a black belt in the art of low inhibition, especially if you’re an incel.

Note that if they mog you to the stars and back, then you will not be able to wrest the control, no matter how low your inhib is. When an incel interacts with a Chad, the Chad has a vicelike grip on the conversation’s control.

 

[acnescarcel]

true

 

[NeiboltStreet]

I noticed this the other day when I was getting my IPad fixed by one of the nerds they have at the apple store. Though I can stray back and forth between low and high inhib, and low to high energy, I am usually very low energy when talking to strangers I don’t know. Anyway, this guy was maybe autistic, clearly uncomfortable in his own skin and evidently found his job of having to interact with the public difficult. For some reason my subconscious must have seen this as an invitation to lower my inhibitions and I instantly became the one leading the conversation, being assertive in finding out what I needed to know.

The strange thing is I think I was apprehensive before the conversation because physically he mogged me in pretty much every way, but his self-assuredness was weaker than mine and it was clear to me that I had become the one in control.

The fact I had approached the conversation apprehensively because he mogged me shows that who is in control of an interaction is usually mandated by who physically mogs the other. Though the fact he was socially awkward gave me the upper hand, had this not been the case, he would have been the one wieldeding control, because my subconscious, cognizant to the mogging, would have forbid me from daring to be too assertive towards him. Likewise, if I mogged him, I would have entered the conversation with the upper hand established, and he would have had to prove himself as ultra low-inhib or assertive to wrest the upper hand from me.

The true Blackpill is that this dynamic is at play every time you interact with another person, including women. The entire nature of human interaction is an incessant and inescapable power struggle. People either see you as more, or less than them, and their subconscious will dominate and control the conversation to a varying degree dependent on how far more, or how far less. If they mog you physically then they already start with the control, and if you want to get it back you’d better be a black belt in the art of low inhibition, especially if you’re an incel.

This sounds a lot like redpill/PUA theory, but that doesn't mean it is completely untrue

 

[Solitarian_Walker]

That is quite obvious if you're not 'tistic.

 

[Konon]

High IQ post. Everything is, always has and always will be about power in every sense of the word.

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

This sounds a lot like redpill/PUA theory, but that doesn't mean it is completely untrue

It sounds like a PUA theory yeah, I’m not insinuating you can make women attracted to you by being low-inhib.

That is quite obvious if you're not 'tistic.

It’s obvious when you’re thinking about it, but the weirdest thing is how pervasive it is. Doesn’t matter who you’re talking to, mum, dad, boss, policeman there’s always someone in control. No matter how brief the conversation, no matter how trivial it’s subject matter.

 

[NeiboltStreet]

It sounds like a PUA theory yeah, I’m not insinuating you can make women attracted to you by being low-inhib.

True, PUAs go the extra step and say that 'always being the one in control of the conversation' will get you laid.

I like that you don't do that and just state the phenomenon that one person is in control in any conversation

 

[Asianmanletcel]

mostly applies to offline, when they know they can or are already in control you the controlled one become high inhib, and online too if you know their looks but if you don't know their face or looks you will try to outdo each other if one even claims to be good looking.
That's why having offline conversations is shit, generally online conversations with strangers whom you don't know what they look like are much better and productive and add to the fact you can take your time to organize your thoughts before replying

 

[Loooooser]

If u read Hegel's master-slave dialectic, it's pretty much visual representation of what u did

 

[Henry de Montherlant]

High IQ. I like to play it smooth before attempting anything in a conversation tbh. Sometimes, pretending to be weak, or to agree, or to be open to some opinions is a way to take the upper hand in a discussion.

Only stupid entitled foids, gigachads or legit autists can afford to be frontal.

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

True, PUAs go the extra step and say that 'always being the one in control of the conversation' will get you laid.

I like that you don't do that just state the phenomenon that one person is in control in any conversation

And I just added a clause that in cases where the mogging is too strong, there is nothing you can do, no matter how low inhib. Probably should have specified this.

 

[th62eathhts2]

this is why i prefer internet/video game friendships. both of you thinks of yourself as greater. without looks and body language its just two egos.

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

If u read Hegel's master-slave dialectic, it's pretty much visual representation of what u did

I need to check this out, thank you for the recommendation.

 

[NeiboltStreet]

And I just added a clause that in cases where the mogging is too strong, there is nothing you can do, no matter how low inhib. Probably should have specified this.

PUAs would prolly disagree on that, too. If I take a look at this Mystery guy who is insta-mogged by prolly any 15yo dude who went to the gym once

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

PUAs would prolly disagree on that, too. If I take a look at this Mystery guy who is insta-mogged by prolly any 15yo dude who went to the gym once

They would certainly disagree because according to their handbook “there is no lost cause.”

 

[Deleted member 5861]

This sounds like something out of

 

[Zesto]

Didn't read low iq redpill bs.

 

[RageAgainstTDL]

It sounds like a PUA theory yeah, I’m not insinuating you can make women attracted to you by being low-inhib.

It’s obvious when you’re thinking about it, but the weirdest thing is how pervasive it is. Doesn’t matter who you’re talking to, mum, dad, boss, policeman there’s always someone in control. No matter how brief the conversation, no matter how trivial it’s subject matter.

A lot of business is based around this. That's why high level CEOs have to be 6'+ and big. It's not discrimination that they end up that way. It's necessary for the job. Intimidation and dominance are what it's all about.

eg. Trump.

It doesn't matter if you're right or wrong. What matters is you dominate the dialog and frame of conversation. It's a combination of looks, introversion/extroversion, and inhibition levels that dictate who dominates.

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

This sounds like something out of

Read my amendment at the end. You cannot rest the control from someone who mogs you to oblivion, it’s .

Didn't read low iq redpill bs.

I am not insinuating you can gain the control by being low-inhib in 100% of cases. Just that looks play a role in who is in charge in a conversation 90% of the time.

 

[kernkraft]

And while he went home to bang his hot girlfriend, you're posting about your conversational success on an incel board

 

[Mickeyonacid]

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

And while he went home to bang his hot girlfriend, you're posting about your conversational success on an incel board

Haha, good point. He clearly still lifemogs me. My post was specifically concerned with power dynamics within a single interaction though.

 

[janoycresva]

Makes sense. I notice this to some extent too but only when I have the upper hand (because it so normal for me not to be in control of a convo).

 

[Life Wasted]

High IQ post. Everything is, always has and always will be about power in every sense of the word.

 

[mylifeistrash]

pretty much why if a man initiates contact with a foid, he's in an awful position and is guaranteed to lose

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

pretty much why if a man initiates contact with a foid, he's in an awful position and is guaranteed to lose

Yes, because women can raise their attractiveness level through makeup, the attractive women seemingly outnumber the attractive men.

 

[Jockcel]

fakecel out

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

fakecel out

Mogged by an autistic IT expert = fakecel. Thank you, you should be my private motivator.

 

[A10n3]

As much as I agree with your dualistic dominating/dominated theory, I would say it doesn't apply when interacting with a true friend.
I would use your theory to define true friendship as "genuine relationship between two protagonists where none of the two parts is trying to dominate the other".
I realize thank to your post that this is how I've been inconsciously picking my new friends since I took the blackpill almost 2 years ago now.
TLDR : Someone who's constantly trying to dominate you is not your friend.

 

[guerillahubris]

PUAs would prolly disagree on that, too. If I take a look at this Mystery guy who is insta-mogged by prolly any 15yo dude who went to the gym once

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_von_Markovik#/media/File:Mysteryerik.jpg
Hes not ugly at all, that lower third is top tier and hes white

 

[_wifebeater_]

TL;DR

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

As much as I agree with your dualistic dominating/dominated theory, I would say it doesn't apply when interacting with a true friend.
I would use your theory to define true friendship as "genuine relationship between two protagonists where none of the two parts is trying to dominate the other".
I realize thank to your post that this is how I've been inconsciously picking my new friends since I took the blackpill almost 2 years ago now.
TLDR : Someone who's constantly trying to dominate you is not your friend.

Maybe there is a threshold below which the effect doesn’t take place, but I’d imagine it is the lowest of the low. Two incels interacting may not produce a significant dominator. Usually normie interactions do though, even in close friend groups. The power can shift back and forth to some degree, but whoever is more attractive will by and large hold the upper hand.

 

[CaptainCuck]

I noticed this the other day when I was getting my IPad fixed by one of the nerds they have at the apple store. Though I can stray back and forth between low and high inhib, and low to high energy, I am usually very low energy when talking to strangers I don’t know. Anyway, this guy was maybe autistic, clearly uncomfortable in his own skin and evidently found his job of having to interact with the public difficult. For some reason my subconscious must have seen this as an invitation to lower my inhibitions and I instantly became the one leading the conversation, being assertive in finding out what I needed to know.

The strange thing is I think I was apprehensive before the conversation because physically he mogged me in pretty much every way, but his self-assuredness was weaker than mine and it was clear to me that I had become the one in control.

The fact I had approached the conversation apprehensively because he mogged me shows that who is in control of an interaction is usually mandated by who physically mogs the other. Though the fact he was socially awkward gave me the upper hand, had this not been the case, he would have been the one wieldeding control, because my subconscious, cognizant to the mogging, would have forbid me from daring to be too assertive towards him. Likewise, if I mogged him, I would have entered the conversation with the upper hand established, and he would have had to prove himself as ultra low-inhib or assertive to wrest the upper hand from me.

The true Blackpill is that this dynamic is at play every time you interact with another person, including women. The entire nature of human interaction is an incessant and inescapable power struggle. People either see you as more, or less than them, and their subconscious will dominate and control the conversation to a varying degree dependent on how far more, or how far less. If they mog you physically then they already start with the control, and if you want to get it back you’d better be a black belt in the art of low inhibition, especially if you’re an incel.

Note that if they mog you to the stars and back, then you will not be able to wrest the control, no matter how low your inhib is. When an incel interacts with a Chad, the Chad has a vicelike grip on the conversation’s control.

Interesting and very true.

I have noticed that control in conversations can swing back and forth between two individuals of similar standing depending on expertise of subject matter, trust etc. The two parties will almost let each other take turns with leading.

Also, it seems that the one investing the least in the conversation is often the one with the power especially if the other participant/s are eagerly carrying on/leading the conversation.

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

Interesting and very true.

I have noticed that control in conversations can swing back and forth between two individuals of similar standing depending on expertise of subject matter, trust etc. The two parties will almost let each other take turns with leading.

Also, it seems that the one investing the least in the conversation is often the one with the power especially if the other participant/s are eagerly carrying on/leading the conversation.

Yes, when someone is investing little in the conversation and they are the one in control it means they want to leave. But social convention still requires some element of politeness, even in the event of a severe mogging. If someone is investing little in the conversation and they are not in control it may also mean they want to leave, but only because they are uncomfortable with being mogged within the power dynamic and want to escape it.

 

[kernkraft]

Haha, good point. He clearly still lifemogs me. My post was specifically concerned with power dynamics within a single interaction though.

It's certainly true that very few conversations are among peers who are equals / 1:1.

Chad doesn't care about such meta thinking or discussion though, he chats up whoever, whenever and if he feels cheated or conspired against, takes action.

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

It's certainly true that very few conversations are among peers who are equals / 1:1.

Chad doesn't care about such meta thinking or discussion though, he chats up whoever, whenever and if he feels cheated or conspired against, takes action.

Yeah, no one is aware of the meta effect their subconscious is having on their inhibitions. They just blindly follow the route their egos tell them they’re permitted to.