Discussion What parts of the black pill do you disagree with?

[Esoteric7]

The black pill is not flawless. What are some parts that you think that don't hold up in reality?

I will list the takes I’ve personally seen fail on the ground:

1. “Women demand 6’3+ giants.”

Reality I SEE: Everywhere I go in England the norm is the guy’s about half-a-head taller. Maybe 5’8” girl with 5’11” male, 5’5” girl with 5’8” male. I’m not seeing the 6’4” requirement enforced like a law. Height matters, but not to the cartoonish degree the black pill claims, at least where I live.

2. "All Curries Are Incels"

Every Curry I've ever known is either married or is or has parents lining up prospects. Marriage is expected in our culture, it’s not even a debate. I know you will say they're being betabuxxed, but that's the fate of every sub-7 man.

There's also levels to betabuxx ( ). You guys keep thinking in extremes where she's seeing other men behind his back. If you were offered this betabuxxed relationship, you would 100% take it: she's doesn't find you very attractive, argues occasionally, but she respects you, gives sex every now and then, cooks.

3. “If you’re 25+ it’s over.”
This sounds like the same as saying females hit the 'wall' past 24. Males have more runway.

I'm not sure why you guys always say this, so you'll have to tell me. It just intuitively doesn't make sense that it's all over at 25 as a man.

4. "Being an incel is all about not having sex"

Escortcels prove it’s deeper. Paying for sex doesn’t fix the the inceldom rot, many report feeling worse after.

Rejecting a female you find unattractive does not make you a fakecel. If she wanted you and you accept her, it just highlights how low you’ve sunk.

Inceldom is about desired sex, not any sex.

5. "JBWmaxxing with noodles/SEA females is a flex"

This is not a flex. You are going down the ladder to ascend because you couldn't make it work with your own women. Your culture was okay with kicking you out, now you have to knock on another family's door for acceptance. If anyone congratulates on you for ascending in this way, they're not praising you, they're pitying you.

If you need a geographic arbitrage where you have to fly 8,000 miles to find a girl who tolerates you, it's indicative there's something wrong with you. The locals will know you're a 'loser back home'. There's also always the danger of when the second she gets a Green Card or meets a more attractive expat, you’re at risk of getting traded up.

If you have children, you'll create self-hating mutts with an identity-crisis.

 

[tulasdanslos]

You're not disagreeing with the blackpill, althougheverbeit. You just don't see eye to eye with some blackpilled users. The blackpill is a model of reality, and it requires massive levels of soy and propaganda to be ignored.

 

[Chud Norris72]

95% of the popular blackpill theories are probably true + I haven't really checked out all the scientific studies so I don't know.

 

[Deleted member 8078]

If you’re 25+ it’s over

As someone who's older than 25, it absolute is over. Even if you ascend in say your 30s, there's still a huge hole you will never be able to fill because you missed several milestones in your youth. The bp will haunt you until the end of your life if you cannot ascend in your prime.

 

[Trident]

1. “Women demand 6’3+ giants.”

Reality I SEE: Everywhere I go in England the norm is the guy’s about half-a-head taller. Maybe 5’8” girl with 5’11” male, 5’5” girl with 5’8” male. I’m not seeing the 6’4” requirement enforced like a law. Height matters, but not to the cartoonish degree the black pill claims, at least where I live.

well yeah same observation but there's a nuance, we don't know the reality of their relationship, maybe this guy is just betabuxer with dead bedrooms. Women would always desire tall men, the taller the better.

3. “If you’re 25+ it’s over.”
This sounds like the same as saying females hit the 'wall' past 24. Males have more runway.

it's really over, even if you let's say 5/10 low tier normie and looksmaxx to look better you still will be easy to spot because you never had important milestones in your development like teen love, sex in your teens, so women would easily spot that you're a virgin and reject you because 20+ male virgin is a biggest loser.

 

[Caichan]

JBWmaxxing with noodles/SEA females is a flex

the whole point is that ur lowering the competition how is it a flex

 

[Todd Thundercock]

If you were offered this betabuxxed relationship, you would 100% take it: she's doesn't find you very attractive, argues occasionally, but she respects you, gives sex every now and then, cooks.

Yes, but this is becoming rarer with hypergamy running rampant. Dead bedrooms are common. Holes today demand it all, and unfortunately most of them can get some of their needs elsewhere, and healthy relationships cannot exist with any of that.

The main thing I disagree with in blackpill rhetoric is that as an ugly man, you have no options. No, most of us do. But, we reasonably don't want to settle for women who aren't attracted to us. Fat single moms. Holes you know are just going to make your life worse. Etc...

 

[Maikowski]

muh virgin foids don't exist

Maybe they don't exist for sub 8s, Chad is fucking virgin pussy

 

[forsenMaxLevel]

a funny enthusiastic personality WILL attract female attention, mostly just as friends, but your life wont be miserable and you will probably end up in a betabuxx relationship soon enough.

 

[Skelly]

I'm not sure why you guys always say this, so you'll have to tell me. It just intuitively doesn't make sense that it's all over at 25 as a man.

"If you're 25+ and still a KHHV it's over"
If you haven't still haven't gotten anything by that point, you never will.

 

[SilentShadow]

I disagree with NT deniers.

 

[kay']

Having unpaid sex one time in like 5+ years because you got lucky doesnt make you a fakecel

 

[Highfield78]

In England a man's build is often all women care about. Not so much height.

 

[SociallyStunted]

3. “If you’re 25+ it’s over.”
This sounds like the same as saying females hit the 'wall' past 24. Males have more runway.

I'm not sure why you guys always say this, so you'll have to tell me. It just intuitively doesn't make sense that it's all over at 25 as a man.

Even if you do “ascend” pass the age of 30 its not gonna make up for years of social isolation and inceldom. If you went 25+ years KHHV you’re never gonna lose it unless you pay for it at that point

 

[ForcedMarriageNow]

As someone who's older than 25, it absolute is over. Even if you ascend in say your 30s, there's still a huge hole you will never be able to fill because you missed several milestones in your youth. The bp will haunt you until the end of your life if you cannot ascend in your prime.

Even if you do “ascend” pass the age of 30 its not gonna make up for years of social isolation and inceldom. If you went 25+ years KHHV you’re never gonna lose it unless you pay for it at that point

Over for a chance at a normal life with normal developmental milestones but still better than nothing and dying as a genetic dead end.

"If you're 25+ and still a KHHV it's over"
If you haven't still haven't gotten anything by that point, you never will.

If you've found yourself here then yes, if there aren't obvious logistical barriers preventing it then yes. But that's more of a statement on having had plenty of time to prove that it is in fact over. It isn't that it's "over by 25", but rather most men will have a life that provides them the opportunity to show that it's over by 25. If some hypothetical 26yo fakecel who had a lifepath of homeschool to military or prison starts complaining about inceldom I'm not going to pretend that his situation is the same as some truece who has tried every method of meeting woman and still failed for years upon years.

Instead of "It's over by 25" I'd change the sentiment to "ten years of trying is plenty of time to prove that it's over" and then treat age based inability to ascend as a symptom of the symptoms of aging which can of course happen at various points in life dependent on genetics.

 

[FEMCELS FANTASY]

Yes, but this is becoming rarer with hypergamy running rampant. Dead bedrooms are common. Holes today demand it all, and unfortunately most of them can get some of their needs elsewhere, and healthy relationships cannot exist with any of that.

The main thing I disagree with in blackpill rhetoric is that as an ugly man, you have no options. No, most of us do. But, we reasonably don't want to settle for women who aren't attracted to us. Fat single moms. Holes you know are just going to make your life worse. Etc...

Yeah most of us could probably ascend via SEA maxxing too but that’s with the undesireable caveat of being a beta buxxer.

And even if some Asian broad over there actually does fall in love with you for that to remain the case you have got to do whatever you can to keep her out of America or the UK as she will just transform into yet another insufferable manhating entitled feminist cunt if you bring her here.

So even the price of genuine love is high as then you’ll be forced to stay in a hot sweaty and humid third world shithole in order to maintain it.

 

[Grodd]

i disagree with some personal viewpoints but when it comes to the core blackpill i don't disagree with anything

 

[Animecel2D]

2. "All Curries Are Incels"

Every Curry I've ever known is either married or is or has parents lining up prospects. Marriage is expected in our culture, it’s not even a debate. I know you will say they're being betabuxxed, but that's the fate of every sub-7 man.

tbh

 

[PersonalityChad]

2. "All Curries Are Incels"

When users here say this they're mostly referring to westernized curries living abroad. If all curries were incels then India wouldn't have the largest population on Earth obviously

 

[CosmicInjustice]

i disagree with some personal viewpoints but when it comes to the core blackpill i don't disagree with anything

 

[CosmicInjustice]

Some people aren't willing to give nuance to certain situations. I disagree with those who think that their characteristics are the only things that can cause inceldom. I believed in the JBB, for instance, until I came to this site and encountered many blackcels and conceded that blacks could be incels afterall. I'm just used to white people and have no clue about other races.

 

[caineturbat2003]

2. "All Curries Are Incels"

Most of them are fakecels that want only white aryan stacies rather than going for their own poojetas.

 

[caineturbat2003]

When users here say this they're mostly referring to westernized curries living abroad. If all curries were incels then India wouldn't have the largest population on Earth obviously

Good point, makes sense. But if there are some jeets in the West, shouldn't there also be poojetas in the area?

 

[caineturbat2003]

If you have children, you'll create self-hating mutts with an identity-crisis.

Whitecels with low tier sea beckies are ER factories. Brutal

 

[PersonalityChad]

shouldn't there also be poojetas in the area?

The poojetas in the area hook up with the local Chads

 

[anon]

You’re a normalfaggot.
It’s all true. Females will always desire tall men, but there just simply aren’t enough tall men. You have to understand that only 15-20% of men are 6’0” or taller. Only 1% are 6’3” or taller.

 

[currycel102]

1)
I think you can be blackpilled but also seek do improvement at the same time. You can still try to get a women while being blackpilled.
The bluepill has to do with personality and character
The redpill has to do with superficial self improvement and masculinity
The blackpill has to do with genetic determinism, that mindset or superficial self improvement doesn't matter

However, it's true that you can cheat your genetics in many ways. Not by building muscle (gymcelling is cope), but more things like surgery for your face, limb lengthening, drugs for your skin and hair. These may as well give you a new set of genetics.
I think a blackpiller can and should focus on getting facial surgery taking finasteride to save his hair, or limb lengthening if he is sub 5'5". That's not a dumb redpill cope, that is pure blackpill. Even as blackpillers we have to try, otherwise we would just kill ourselves

2)
I think there were ACTUALLY traditional women in the past.
Lots of people here say "all women in all time periods were the same whores. in medieval villages women would risk being stoned to death to get chad"
I just dont think thats true. Not being a virgin before marriage or cheating during marriage was a death sentence for women, or at least socially. people grew up in smaller communities which means you cant just anonymously fuck chads all the time.

3)
l legitimately don't want to be with my looksmatch long term. I want to date to marry, and i want to marry to have children, which means for my children to have a good life, my wife needs to be a 6/10 and 5'7" at least. If this won't happen then i'll just die alone. Thats my path currently anyway.

 

[currycel102]

a funny enthusiastic personality WILL attract female attention, mostly just as friends, but your life wont be miserable and you will probably end up in a betabuxx relationship soon enough.

What this really means is
If you don't have female friends, the only way you meet women is through dating apps where looks are supreme
If you can act funny and jestermax, you have a CHANCE to make female friends, and those female friends may talk about you to other female friends, and you may get set up with a date
This is all very speculative, but it's just simple science.

If youre unattractive, meeting people in real life will get you better results than trying tinder or dating apps.

 

[SCP-Gorillion]

As someone who's older than 25, it absolute is over. Even if you ascend in say your 30s, there's still a huge hole you will never be able to fill because you missed several milestones in your youth. The bp will haunt you until the end of your life if you cannot ascend in your prime.

Yeah it's awful take, i'm 27 and literally my dating pool is hillariously small ( how the fuck he believes that he can make for lack of experience ? )