Serious What exactly is the relationship between MGTOW and incels?

[Divergent_Integral]

Are they our rivals? Are they incels-in-denial? Are they volcels? Something else entirely?

I've been following MGTOW for many years now, and I'm under the impression that many of the MGTOW guys have become progressively more blackpilled over time. This is especially true for Stardusk, who seems to have taken the looks-are-everything pill. See for example his interview with Wandering Wojak.

 

[Deleted member 24876]

I see mgtow as a pathway to being blackpilled for incels in denial. Eventually a mgtowcel realizes that he didn't go his own way but rather was SENT his own way by foids.

 

[gigacel123]

Copers thinking women care they are going their own way.

they are incel like us, incel-in-denial. But unlike Cucktears, they know women are awful and immoral pieces of shits. Unfortunately they are too dumb to grasp the blackpill.

 

[Deleted member 27161]

A lot are incels in denial

 

[RollD20]

Mgtow is the family friendly version of the blackpill. It all leads to the blackpill in the end.

Though a lot of them already had relationships at one point, so I wouldn't put them in the same category as incel.

 

[LDARbeforeROPE]

I see mgtow as a pathway to being blackpilled for incels in denial. Eventually a mgtowcel realizes that he didn't go his own way but rather was SENT his own way by foids.

 

[ThoughtfulCel]

Basically MGTOW are exactly like incels.

But since both incels and MGTOW are made up of humans, and humans are retarded, the two groups fight with each other for arbitrary reasons instead of interacting peacefully.

Meanwhile women laugh at both of them for their hubris. Men really have no gender loyalty lol

 

[Tenshi]

it's blackpill for normies in small doses

 

[Deleted member 29115]

MGTOW is Chad bemoaning about not getting pussy for an hour. They will post one thing, and do otherwise

 

[Pitar62]

I see mgtow as a pathway to being blackpilled for incels in denial. Eventually a mgtowcel realizes that he didn't go his own way but rather was SENT his own way by foids.

This

 

[Rambocel]

I see mgtow as a pathway to being blackpilled for incels in denial. Eventually a mgtowcel realizes that he didn't go his own way but rather was SENT his own way by foids.

Nah I think that's the distinction here. An incel coping as a MGTOW is that way, not a true MGTOW

I've read enough MGTOW shit and seen enough of divorce rape in my life to genuinely believe that most of them are coming from truth. It's the extreme ones (mega-divorce raped) that really get me and who no doubt at blackpilled as fuck, even if they don't have the language

I don't think you can call yourself MGTOW until 1) you've ascended and 2) you've been fucked over by a foid *by something other* than lookism ie. falling for a domestic relationship with one, divorce rape, scheming foidish behaviour, taking the mailmanpill, etc. Virgin losers can't accurately call themselves MGTOW because none of this has happened even if they are based enough to know women are a treacherous burden upon us all

 

[Words2_live_bye]

I see mgtow as a pathway to being blackpilled for incels in denial. Eventually a mgtowcel realizes that he didn't go his own way but rather was SENT his own way by foids.

 

[Deleted member 24876]

Nah I think that's the distinction here. An incel coping as a MGTOW is that way, not a true MGTOW

I've read enough MGTOW shit and seen enough of divorce rape in my life to genuinely believe that most of them are coming from truth. It's the extreme ones (mega-divorce raped) that really get me and who no doubt at blackpilled as fuck, even if they don't have the language

I don't think you can call yourself MGTOW until 1) you've ascended and 2) you've been fucked over by a foid *by something other* than lookism ie. falling for a domestic relationship with one, divorce rape, scheming foidish behaviour, taking the mailmanpill, etc. Virgin losers can't accurately call themselves MGTOW because none of this has happened even if they are based enough to know women are a treacherous burden upon us all

Yea a lot of actual mgtows exist, I consider it a pathway because it's more socially tolerated than incels. Its much easier for an incel in denial to find mgtow than an incel community because of the stigma associated with incels.

 

[Deleted member 776]

In some ways as I have gotten older I have come to identify more with the MGTOW label rather than the Incel label. Technically I fuck escorts so I am not strictly an "incel" by the technical definition though "escortcels" are allowed in this community. Now I am in my 30's my testosterone has dropped. I used to see an escort twice a month in my early 20's if I had the money but often I settle for every 3 months these days. Sex is fun and all but as you get older it isn't as important or as amazing as when you were 21. My best sexual experiences are all behind me in that regard as well.

I have spent some time chatting with MGTOW's and in MGTOW communities and a lot of people in here call them copers. I disagree. I have seen enough people in relationships and seen the shit they put up with to realise that a lot of those guys have genuinely had enough. There are guys I have spoken to on there who got put in jail. Had the prospect of charges and prison time hanging over their heads. Who have been driven to absolute despair but abuse and gas lighting from women. Who have lost EVERYTHING in divorce rape. There was a guy only a few months ago who got put in jail, divorced and had a child support judgement in massive arrears and false rape accusations levelled at him. Man was literally living in a tent in the woods and didn't have a penny to his name and everyone he knew thought he was a rapist. He had to call some buddy from the army he hadn't spoken to in a decade to help him.

The thing is though - there are some MGTOW's who don't want to take the black pill. They are just a blow job away from going back to the plantation so the community becomes like alcoholics anonymous for giving up women. A few months ago I watched a very high IQ discussion between Sandman, Incelmatics, Lamprey Milt and I think FACEandLMS joined them. Sandman raised the idea that many men instead of going their own way have been sent their own way in the last 5 years or so. These are essentially incels who would probably be MGTOW but they just haven't been burned yet. He says (and I agree) the divide is generational. Gen X and older millennial's would go their own way but many younger millennial's and zoomers got sent their own way because the sexual marketplace is just so brutal these days.

I'm one of the older users on here. I remember the sexual marketplace in the early 00's. If I hadn't been a sperg who was traumatised from my childhood I might have well ascended back then. I didn't and got caught up in PUA and then had a oneitis and ended up here. I tell you guys, as brutal as the game was back then. It is a whole new level of ruthless now.

MGTOW are ok. We have some minor differences but as far as the manosphere go they are brethren.

 

[Rambocel]

Yea a lot of actual mgtows exist, I consider it a pathway because it's more socially tolerated than incels. Its much easier for an incel in denial to find mgtow than an incel community because of the stigma associated with incels.

True. Sucks because I can just see it in some of their minds now. The closer to the bluepill they are in their ways the more likely they'll be the type to stand on the soap box and enthusiastically declare their 'notness' or 'otherness' from incels because of the pop culture view of incels being so bad. Meanwhile they are by all definition volcels and again, depending on how warped the bluepill has them, they espouse a blackpilled world view.

I think the part that keeps them from full blackpill comes right from the fucking cradle boyos. All of us, that is our one common condition: We are taught that women are the fair sex, that they are gentle, they are delicate, they are sweet, they are fine, they are innocent, they never scheme, never snive, and are little princesses. No. It takes the lived experience of a man to realize the complete fabrication of horse excrement society tries to pull over your eyes about women. In that sense as well MGTOW and incel are in the same boat, same direction.

 

[Detro]

MGTOW is the blackpill for normalfags who can't identify with inceldom due to contradictory life experiences.
An incel with no sexual experience has no problem believing "look > everything"
But a MGTOW who has personal experience with "I've dated women I would consider out of my league" wouldn't be able to accept the lookspill.

 

[oldcel75]

MGTOW think that women are mean, They don't understand that women are mean to them, not to chads. I did not see ever a chad mgtow or a feminist stacy.

 

[Lado]

I would say most of them are incels in denial but there are a good portion of them that are divorced guys that got financially fucked over by getting divorce raped and never want to deal with women ever again. Those ones are definitely not incels since they had a wife at some point but most of them are just hard coping incels in denial

 

[Deleted member 16390]

I would say about at least 75% of those who identified as mgtow had sex before and some have children.

Around 25% for incel identifier and most of these are from hookers and escorts etc.. and very few have children.

 

[Hail The Bloatlord]

In some ways as I have gotten older I have come to identify more with the MGTOW label rather than the Incel label. Technically I fuck escorts so I am not strictly an "incel" by the technical definition though "escortcels" are allowed in this community. Now I am in my 30's my testosterone has dropped. I used to see an escort twice a month in my early 20's if I had the money but often I settle for every 3 months these days. Sex is fun and all but as you get older it isn't as important or as amazing as when you were 21. My best sexual experiences are all behind me in that regard as well.

I have spent some time chatting with MGTOW's and in MGTOW communities and a lot of people in here call them copers. I disagree. I have seen enough people in relationships and seen the shit they put up with to realise that a lot of those guys have genuinely had enough. There are guys I have spoken to on there who got put in jail. Had the prospect of charges and prison time hanging over their heads. Who have been driven to absolute despair but abuse and gas lighting from women. Who have lost EVERYTHING in divorce rape. There was a guy only a few months ago who got put in jail, divorced and had a child support judgement in massive arrears and false rape accusations levelled at him. Man was literally living in a tent in the woods and didn't have a penny to his name and everyone he knew thought he was a rapist. He had to call some buddy from the army he hadn't spoken to in a decade to help him.

The thing is though - there are some MGTOW's who don't want to take the black pill. They are just a blow job away from going back to the plantation so the community becomes like alcoholics anonymous for giving up women. A few months ago I watched a very high IQ discussion between Sandman, Incelmatics, Lamprey Milt and I think FACEandLMS joined them. Sandman raised the idea that many men instead of going their own way have been sent their own way in the last 5 years or so. These are essentially incels who would probably be MGTOW but they just haven't been burned yet. He says (and I agree) the divide is generational. Gen X and older millennial's would go their own way but many younger millennial's and zoomers got sent their own way because the sexual marketplace is just so brutal these days.

I'm one of the older users on here. I remember the sexual marketplace in the early 00's. If I hadn't been a sperg who was traumatised from my childhood I might have well ascended back then. I didn't and got caught up in PUA and then had a oneitis and ended up here. I tell you guys, as brutal as the game was back then. It is a whole new level of ruthless now.

MGTOW are ok. We have some minor differences but as far as the manosphere go they are brethren.

thank you for sharing, fellow oldcel

 

[Deleted member 21230]

They're part of the enemy like everyone else

 

[Deleted member 19236]

MGTOW are ok. We have some minor differences but as far as the manosphere go they are brethren.

 

[latin_elioth]

I used to identify myself with those guys, and I still listen to some of them but it always bother me how they always throw shit at people that doesn't have sex and how often they brags about how much sex they have to used to have. However I think we can learn about the cope

 

[OwnerOpcell]

MGTOW for me was a cope a few years ago.
Watched big john and all the others at the time. Was a good cope for a while, "woman bad, woman evil, don't need one" is basically their mantra. Kind of like sticking my hand in a fire others have done it for me so I don't need to.
Worked for a while but that yearning desire came back. Think its easy for them once you get to experience women but when you've been left out and never had the chance their is still that void that needs to be filled of actually being with one.
Now I can kind of switch between the two though processes. Can go months being perfectly happy then something will creep into my head about missing out and wanting a family, the desire is not as strong as it was in my teens and twenties. So I guess people are right about the desire to have what you cant does start to diminish with age if you can hold on long enough.

 

[Wilfred]

MGTOW seems to come in two flavors.

1. Incels in denial of the fact they were sent their own way.

2. Survivors of divorce rape.

Some seem to think they are Chads or slayers, but they would not be posting on MGTOW if that was the case.

 

[genma]

I would say about at least 75% of those who identified as mgtow had sex before and some have children.

Around 25% for incel identifier and most of these are from hookers and escorts etc.. and very few have children.

 

[Solo Disident]

Mgtow is the family friendly version of the blackpill. It all leads to the blackpill in the end.

 

[Deleted member 27159]

I was in the mgtow mindset for a couple months before getting blackpilled

 

[GermaniaIncelia]

It consists of a redpill coper camp who think other MGTOWs should stop hating on women and focus on themselves. Bunch of pussy normie faggots who think they are alphas.
[Bluepill -> redpill -> mgtow]

Then a blackpillish camp with the added flavor they think their chances increase from 30 onwards. There also religious ascetics in it.
[Bluepill -> redpill -> mgtow -> blackpill]

And cucked camp who are mostly still bluepills and exchange stories on how their life got ruined and advice on how to get back on feet after getting cucked by foids and courts.
[Bluepill -> mgtow]

 

[cvh1991]

Are they our rivals? Are they incels-in-denial? Are they volcels? Something else entirely?

I've been following MGTOW for many years now, and I'm under the impression that many of the MGTOW guys have become progressively more blackpilled over time. This is especially true for Stardusk, who seems to have taken the looks-are-everything pill. See for example his interview with Wandering Wojak.

My understanding is MGTOW guys are often EX betabuxxers who often get divorce raped which opens their eyes at which point they just give up on women due to the laughable imbalance in modern western society.

 

[LOLI BREEDING]

mgtow is a bunch of boomer cucks who got divorce raped and are now independent and shiieet while paying alimony

 

[Pitar62]

MGTOW are betabuxx that realised they got screwed over (They still don't know they got screwed over because of Chad)

 

[Deleted member 16390]

Mgtow is the fate/final stage of incels who still have hope of ascension.

 

[LOLI BREEDING]

MGTOW think that women are mean, They don't understand that women are mean to them, not to chads. I did not see ever a chad mgtow or a feminist stacy.

 

[pixy.]

Mgtow are 2 things either
A. boomers who go divorce raped
B. youngcels like me that need a intro to the black pill.
and maybe a few people (mostly ascended former cels) who can slay but will never marry and use Mgtow as a identifier but they are probably pretty rare.

 

[Lowdickenergycel]

Copers thinking women care they are going their own way.

they are incel like us, incel-in-denial. But unlike Cucktears, they know women are awful and immoral pieces of shits. Unfortunately they are too dumb to grasp the blackpill.