Hypocrisy We eat meat yet claim to care for animals

[anandkonda]

Curries thrive on vegetarianism because they consume raw dairy, often A2 dairy. If they didn't they would be sick as fuck.

Bro, I admit being ignorant on nutrition. Please debate with Vegan Gains, if you are sure, that guy is insufferable cunt, but he knowledgable on nutrition. He is hyper autistic on that topic, debate with him.

Also, the longest living humans are mostly vegetarian and never carnivore. I think you can't even get Vitamin C in a carnivore diet without supplement. Ironically carnivores require more supplements than vegans

From what I understand a lacto-vegetarian or Pescetarian diet is most ideal for humans. But a vegan diet is the most moral one.

 

[anandkonda]

Curries thrive on vegetarianism because they consume raw dairy, often A2 dairy. If they didn't they would be sick as fuck.

After finding a girlfriend I will drink her breastmilk okay, then will I be healthy ?

 

[wasted12years]

Also, the longest living humans are mostly vegetarian and never carnivore. I think you can't even get Vitamin C in a carnivore diet without supplement. Ironically carnivores require more supplements than vegans

From what I understand a lacto-vegetarian or Pescetarian diet is most ideal for humans. But a vegan diet is the most moral one.

They want you to think that vegetarians live the longest, but they've changed the blue zones completely to please the vegan agenda once again. The longest living humans actually consume alot of animal fats and cholesterol, like the Sardinians and Okinawans. The very thing the medical profession don't want you to consume and it's because they want to maintain profits from sick people.

I agree with you that the carnivore diet is deficient and carnivore dieters often consume alot of salt which is bad. I actually followed the carnivore diet for some months and got constipation lol. Now i eat accordingly to the primal diet by Aajonus Vonderplanitz and i get all the nutrients i need in the raw foods and i never felt healthier.

 

[anandkonda]

They want you to think that vegetarians live the longest, but they've changed the blue zones completely to please the vegan agenda once again. The longest living humans actually consume alot of animal fats and cholesterol, like the Sardinians and Okinawans. The very thing the medical profession don't want you to consume and it's because they want to maintain profits from sick people.

I agree with you that the carnivore diet is deficient and carnivore dieters often consume alot of salt which is bad. I actually followed the carnivore diet for some months and got constipation lol. Now i eat accordingly to the primal diet by Aajonus Vonderplanitz and i get all the nutrients i need in the raw foods and i never felt healthier.

Ok, bro. Thanks for sharing the perspective of other side.

 

[wasted12years]

Ok, bro. Thanks for sharing the perspective of other side.

No problem. Atleast we could agree on the carnivore diet not having enough vitamin C. Well you could technically get vitamin C on carnivore diet through foods but you would have to eat alot of organ meats which most carnivore dieters don't really eat. They instead eat their overly cooked muscle meat with alot of salt.

 

[wasted12years]

After finding a girlfriend I will drink her breastmilk okay, then will I be healthy ?

Yea too bad alot of foids are toxic and so are their breast milk.

 

[foidrapist69]

Animals deserve it for fucking with foids while we can't

 

[Simba]

I see where you’re coming from but I’m going to be eating some meat soon but ya, I eat meat to live.

Farmers need to use painless methods for serving meat.

 

[Simba]

Animals deserve it for fucking with foids while we can't

Foids rape them though, they don’t ask for it.

 

[anandkonda]

I see where you’re coming from but I’m going to be eating some meat soon but ya, I eat meat to live.

Farmers need to use painless methods for serving meat.

No, they don't watch this

View: https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko?t=3330

 

[Simba]

No, they don't watch this

View: https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko?t=3330

I mean that it’s what they should do.

 

[screwthefbi]

Idc im eating meat, vegans can go fuck themselves

Based, ribeye on top!

 

[Ahnfeltia]

We can't prove sentience of an animal, we can't even prove we are sentient. With the help of observations of the animal we can make inferences.

watch this, this is a good summary

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al5zRjvT2gE

We know that without a centralized nervous system, animals cannot be conscious

So basically sentience means "sufficiently similar to humans in a very specific way". I can't say I find this a particularly convincing moral criterion for whether organisms deserve to be et or not. I'm not claiming to be in possession of a better moral criterion btw, it's just that I don't think yours is necessarily better than certain other moral criteria out there.

Justice, morality and fairness also ambiguous. The subject of sentience is a very complex biological and philosophical topic.

true

 

[Simba]

Do this https://incels.is/threads/we-eat-meat-yet-claim-to-care-for-animals.578609/post-13620079
Also this

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0UmVKA-4F8


Main mistake I made is not to eat enough fat. Eat like 4 table spoons of peanut butter or powered sesame seeds to get fats

 

[anandkonda]

So basically sentience means "sufficiently similar to humans in a very specific way". I can't say I find this a particularly convincing moral criterion for whether organisms deserve to be et or not. I'm not claiming to be in possession of a better moral criterion btw, it's just that I don't think yours is necessarily better than certain other moral criteria out there.

Again, most people don't agree on what is justice, doesn't mean we don't have a society without justice.

I don't rationize like morality like math or something. You can't derive morals like math theorems.

I consider any animal with central nervous system as sentient and more formed an organism is more moral worth it possesses. Also, sometimes potential to sentience matters like in case of baby fetuses.

 

[anandkonda]

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[foidrapist69]

Foids rape them though, they don’t ask for it.

Even more unfair - they don't even have to try

 

[Regenerator]

I never ate meat in my life. It's not because of some animal rights bullshit. I am just disgusted at even having meat around me - they literally make me nauseous. It's just so fucking gross and disgusting.

 

[Regenerator]

Normies being hypocrites surprise surprise. They will cry about Asian countries eating dogs & cats but then stuff their faces with Bacon, Fried Chicken & hamburgers. I know some people arguing that farm animals were domesticated as a food source but you don't even need to eat them to survive & Guinea pigs were originally domesticated as a food source as well yet they are pets. Humans are herbivores since they chew moving their mouths & don't have carnivore teeth.

 

[Profligate]

Vegans and vegetarians are a bunch of weak bleeding heart faggots. Humans are at the top of the food chain so all the animalerinos can go fuck themselves

 

[anandkonda]

Vegans and vegetarians are a bunch of weak bleeding heart faggots. Humans are at the top of the food chain so all the animalerinos can go fuck themselves

Chad are also on top of SMV hierarchy, doesn't mean we incels are devoid of our rights. Similar analogy

Also, if I eat other humans then I will be the even top of the food chain, and then can I kill all the humans and genocide the humans as I am upper in food chain

 

[anandkonda]

Normies being hypocrites surprise surprise. They will cry about Asian countries eating dogs & cats but then stuff their faces with Bacon, Fried Chicken & hamburgers. I know some people arguing that farm animals were domesticated as a food source but you don't even need to eat them to survive & Guinea pigs were originally domesticated as a food source as well yet they are pets. Humans are herbivores since they chew moving their mouths & don't have carnivore teeth.

Vegan in Japan? I heard some amount of people are vegan in Japan.

Also, this conversation on what is morality not on what is natural. It is irreverent weather human are herbivore or carnivore, eating herbivorous animals is immoral in both cases.

 

[anandkonda]

I mean that it’s what they should do.

That's not what they should do, but that's what they ARE doing

 

[N-Digger]

Eating meat and loving animals is not mutually exclusive. The fact of life is that you need to eat meat and animal products to survive. You simply cannot survive long term on a vegan diet, since there's no vitamin b12 in plant-based products. The only way you can get the necessary amount of b12 is through artificial means, like taking a supplement or eating b12 fortified foods.
I agree with you that the way we treat animals is bad. But we should not stop eating meat entirely. We should instead find a more sustainable and environmentally friendly way to get it.

 

[Incel of Incels]

Don't care meat is one of my favorite copes

 

[anandkonda]

Eating meat and loving animals is not mutually exclusive. The fact of life is that you need to eat meat and animal products to survive. You simply cannot survive long term on a vegan diet, since there's no vitamin b12 in plant-based products. The only way you can get the necessary amount of b12 is through artificial means, like taking a supplement or eating b12 fortified foods.
I agree with you that the way we treat animals is bad. But we should not stop eating meat entirely. We should instead find a more sustainable and environmentally friendly way to get it.

I found a way, eat a vegan diet and take a B12 supplement once a week.

Are you not aware that animals in factories are also give 'artificial' supplements and hormones. I have seen this shit with my own eyes.

Also, everything we do today is artificial anyway. The debate is on what is moral and healthy not natural. There is difference between the two.

 

[droppeddogs]

Eating herbivorous animals like cows, pigs and chicken is always immoral,

Talking about morals, are you religious? Why should I care about animals? Self preservation is the main objective of every organism.

 

[⭑papers]

Idgaf about animals. And they aren't incels, so even if them suffering was a reason for me to care about them i still don't.
I need meat to live anyway.

 

[Jotasso]

It's eat or be eaten my nigga

 

[SupremeGentleCel]

I eat meat and dont give a fuck about animals.
When I was younger, My dad said that I always wanted to kill smaller insects and birds etc...

 

[weaselbomber]

who is "we"

 

[anandkonda]

Talking about morals, are you religious? Why should I care about animals? Self preservation is the main objective of every organism.

You don't have to be religious to be moral.

You should care about suffering everywhere, when I watched the factory farm footage I was yep,

View: https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko?t=3325


This they same why how normies and society treated me without any concern about my pain or suffering.

You can't be consistent with your morals if you kill animals and value human life. Some humans clearly have less intelligence than animals, should these humans be killed like animals

View: https://youtu.be/gwNQqnEYMXw


Even predators are kind of moral, they don't kill the children of prey after killing their mothers

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5J_ARKyftA


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugi4x8kZJzk


This behavior is clearly against self preservation

 

[droppeddogs]

You don't have to be religious to be moral.

You should care about suffering everywhere, when I watched the factory farm footage I was yep,

View: https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko?t=3325


This they same why how normies and society treated me without any concern about my pain or suffering.

You can't be consistent with your morals if you kill animals and value human life. Some humans clearly have less intelligence than animals, should these humans be killed like animals

View: https://youtu.be/gwNQqnEYMXw


Even predators are kind of moral, they don't kill the children of prey after killing their mothers

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5J_ARKyftA


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugi4x8kZJzk


This behavior is clearly against self preservation

Morals come from religion. They are malleable. There are zoos where people can meet lions because they are not hungry. Why would it matter for the lion to kill the parent but because he let's the child live, and the child is gonna die without its parent anyway, supposedly the lion has a moral code? The only reason we value human life and animal life in the West is because we are privileged. In the third world the people literally drop like flies. If you are handicapped you are fucked. They shouldn't live to take resources from the healthy and live a pathetic painful existence. That should be obvious but its cruel and our society can not accept cruelty, so somehow evolution is widely accepted but eugenics is rejected based on "morals" that are leftover from Christianity. And you think because of a man-made concept that people should force themselves to be deprived of nutrients

 

[Linesnap99]

yes that prey on innocent being like all of us

 

[Linesnap99]

Humans are predators.

actually we are the prey but have adapted to be the ultimate predator the savage of the savages the grim reaper

 

[Linesnap99]

Define "naturally". Farming of any sort is unnatural

farming is ultimate high iq behaviour

 

[Destroyed lonely]

Like this

View: https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko?t=3334

I just got done watching this, I remember watching "Earthlings" a few years ago made by the same creators

My opinion: I still don't think eating meat is wrong on it's own, we were made this way, if nature didn't want us to eat meat it shouldn't have made us omnivores, BUT eating meat in modern world is definitely wrong, and the reason is overpopulation and mass farming of animals, it wouldn't be so bad if there was less than 500mil people on the planet and we could breed healthy animals in nature and not in farms, also in moderation

Veganism is paradoxically an anti-life philosophy, CONTROL is what we need not annihilation, control of our own population

 

[Destroyed lonely]

We should instead find a more sustainable and environmentally friendly way to get it.

We should reduce human population to 100 million

 

[AsakuraHao]

communism doesn't work
socialism is for cucks
capitalism is superior

 

[anandkonda]

Morals come from religion. They are malleable. There are zoos where people can meet lions because they are not hungry. Why would it matter for the lion to kill the parent but because he let's the child live, and the child is gonna die without its parent anyway, supposedly the lion has a moral code? The only reason we value human life and animal life in the West is because we are privileged. In the third world the people literally drop like flies. If you are handicapped you are fucked. They shouldn't live to take resources from the healthy and live a pathetic painful existence. That should be obvious but its cruel and our society can not accept cruelty, so somehow evolution is widely accepted but eugenics is rejected based on "morals" that are leftover from Christianity. And you think because of a man-made concept that people should force themselves to be deprived of nutrients

No, I just wanted to show that even in nature the most cruelest of predators, rise from their instincts and act in a way that is anti-self interest when they encounter children of other species. I am interpreting this as lions being "moral".

Morals don't come religion. They come from people. "Treat others the way your want to be treated" this is the golden rule of morality. In the above examples I provided notice both of them are female and acted according to this principle, and spared the children probably due to their maternal instinct and saw their children it them.

Also I am not utilitarian, I am deontological. I don't care about suffering unless it is caused by me directly and I can prevent it with simple steps.

Also I follow Digambar Jainism which is basically veganism, (which claims supremacy of man over woman too) as my religion. I first found my morals then I searched for a religion with matching views and found this.

 

[Vendetta]

Fuck the animals nigga im hungry as shit

 

[EnviadoVerde]

idc about animals

 

[anandkonda]

And you think because of a man-made concept that people should force themselves to be deprived of nutrients

Name one nutrient that you can't find on a vegan diet. You can be health on a well planned vegan diet, just like you can be healthy on any planned diet.

A average person eating a standard American diet will benefit switching to a whole food plant diet, because of their diet consists of excess saturated fat, processed chemicals and sugar anyway.

 

[anandkonda]

I just got done watching this, I remember watching "Earthlings" a few years ago made by the same creators

My opinion: I still don't think eating meat is wrong on it's own, we were made this way, if nature didn't want us to eat meat it shouldn't have made us omnivores, BUT eating meat in modern world is definitely wrong, and the reason is overpopulation and mass farming of animals, it wouldn't be so bad if there was less than 500mil people on the planet and we could breed healthy animals in nature and not in farms, also in moderation

Veganism is paradoxically an anti-life philosophy, CONTROL is what we need not annihilation, control of our own population

Veganism can be practiced in many ways. The typically way it is practiced in the west is the marxist way, to say that anyone who doesn't follow it is Nazi or they have other all non-vegans.

I follow it in a very different way. I follow Digambar Jainism which is basically veganism, (which claims supremacy of man over woman too) as my religion.

What is natural is not always good. I could say if nature did not intend us to die from diseases we would not get them. The discussion is on what is moral not natural.

About overpopulation, it's all a Jewish propaganda to reduce white races fertility rate. If all the world went vegan we would be only using 25% of current farmlands. So if the whole world is vegan then we can feed 24 billion people from current farmland usage

Land Use

How is humanity using the Earth’s land? And how can we decrease our land use so that more land is left for wildlife?

ourworldindata.org

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325532198_Reducing_food%27s_environmental_impacts_through_producers_and_consumers

If the world adopted a plant-based diet, we would reduce global agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares

We could reduce the amount of land used for grazing and croplands used to grow animal feed.

ourworldindata.org

 

[Vendetta]

Name one nutrient that you can't find on a vegan diet. You can be health on a well planned vegan diet, just like you can be healthy on any planned diet.

A average person eating a standard American diet will benefit switching to a whole food plant diet, because of their diet consists of excess saturated fat, processed chemicals and sugar anyway.

Pork mogs beef

 

[droppeddogs]

Morals don't come religion. They come from people.

Morales are what we are programmed to act and feel according to the interest of the society which was in the hands of organized religion for the past thousands of years.

acted according to this principle, and

spared the children probably due to their maternal instinct

how can the animal be following a manmade principle if it's acting on instinct?

I first found my morals

Why should other people live their live according to your morals?

Name one nutrient that you can't find on a vegan diet. You can be health on a well planned vegan diet, just like you can be healthy on any planned diet.

A average person eating a standard American diet will benefit switching to a whole food plant diet, because of their diet consists of excess saturated fat, processed chemicals and sugar anyway.

Why do they take supplements and eat fake meat

 

[anandkonda]

Why do they take supplements and eat fake meat

I only take a single supplement once a week, that is B12. This is not a contraindication to my original statement as I consider the supplement part of the diet.
You westerns have a shit diet. That why you came searching for India for spices. I don't eat fake meat of any sort.

Why should other people live their live according to your morals?

'cause mine are most consistent and logical extension of yours'.

how can the animal be following a manmade principle if it's acting on instinct?

Ethics are show my other animals as well look at this

https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/rats-avoid-actions-that-will-hurt-others-even-if-it-earns-them-a-treat

Morales are what we are programmed to act and feel according to the interest of the society which was in the hands of organized religion for the past thousands of years.

Morality is should be consistent no matter what. If your principles are not consistent you can literally do whatever you want. Any group will acquire power in the society and set rules that favor them.

 

[anandkonda]

Pork mogs beef

Processed meats are level 2a carcinogens. Also gives rise to high cholesterol due to excess saturated fat in them.

 

[anandkonda]

Why do they take supplements and eat fake meat

Also animals in farms are also given supplements and hormones today anyway

 

[Vendetta]

Processed meats are level 2a carcinogens. Also gives rise to high cholesterol due to excess saturated fat in them.

Cholesterol is the building block for testosterone