We don't need more "self improvement," we need less hypergamy

[Extra-Samsaric]

We all know how much normgroids, foids, and red pillers like to tell us to "self improve" so we can be "worthy" of a goddess to grace us with sex and intimacy. But the problem isn't with men, it's with women and their stratospheric levels of hypergamy.

Let's look back in the past. The average man in the the middle ages was a malnourished serf standing five and a half feet tall. If we k look at pictures of men from the 1930s and 40s, we don't see legions of chiselled-jawed neo-Spartan warriors, but bucktoothed, stick-armed hayseeds. However, these men all had loyal and dutiful wives, since hypergamy hadn't gone completely insane and foids still had a minimum level of decent conduct expected of them.

Today, men are more devoted than ever to "self improvement," hitting the gym, etc. And what do they get in compensation? Women are more cold and aloof towards them than ever before

 

[your personality]

Red Queen Effect

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[Deleted member 33091]

women NEVER think about self improvement when they want to get laid... it's only males that think about self improvement. Women are lazy entitled cunts.

 

[squirrelsonfire2]

Women don’t have to self improve why should i

 

[Deleted member 19321]

Even if you look at 1950s American teens they were already self improved by modern standards. They were slim, masculine, and clean looking. Men in suits and top hats filled the streets and most people were respectful and formal. Now you need to do all this jestermaxxing bullshit just so you have the chance of beating out the other 100 guys competing for the 3/10 landwhale.

 

[Extra-Samsaric]

Red Queen Effect

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The Red Queen is a bitch, and it perfectly explains the male predicament in the dating/mating game.

 

[your personality]

The Red Queen is a bitch, and it perfectly explains the male predicament in the dating/mating game.

The funny thing is redpill hucksters confidently predicted that this kind of system could continue forever.

Sanitizing the Imperative

It would appear that over this (and last) week the manosphere topic du jour has been defining the Feminine Imperative. Sunshinemary started off the hit parade with her post The feminine imperative,…

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[Extra-Samsaric]

The funny thing is redpill hucksters confidently predicted that this kind of system could continue forever.

Sanitizing the Imperative

It would appear that over this (and last) week the manosphere topic du jour has been defining the Feminine Imperative. Sunshinemary started off the hit parade with her post The feminine imperative,…

therationalmale.com

This unsustainable trend cannot continue indefinitely. However, I fear hypergamy, feminism, and gynocentrism will get much worse (if you can imagine) before the unavoidable and well-deserved societal collapse.

 

[your personality]

This unsustainable trend cannot continue indefinitely. However, I fear hypergamy, feminism, and gynocentrism will get much worse (if you can imagine) before the unavoidable and well-deserved societal collapse.

Indeed but the assumption has always been that while a certain segment of men get left behind (the "losers"), most men will rise to meet the ever raising stakes. But that can't continue forever tbh because there's no end to how much standards can get raised before a significant number of men are left out altogether and you can no longer pretend enough men are able to meet women's rising standards (as seen by falling birth rates).

Been waiting forever for when dating is finally acknowledged as something only women and good looking men can expect to participate in but the sexual false consciousness that many guys have as R. Kshatriya describes it continues to construct a world where dating is still as easy for the common man as before.

And even with increasing numbers of guys forced out of the game the demand on the remaining guys only gets higher. What was once considered a chad 20 years ago is now considered the looks level of a chadlite. What was considered a chadlite 20 years ago is now the look levels of a normie. What was a low tier normie is now someone that is solidly incel.

tbh maybe not economic but a social collapse might have already occurred. Compare the 1950s and even times of bad recession in the 1970s to now. It's not even close. Things are much more confusing and tense than ever and only continue to become more like that.

 

[<human]

we need more misogyny

 

[Extra-Samsaric]

Indeed but the assumption has always been that while a certain segment of men get left behind (the "losers"), most men will rise to meet the ever raising stakes. But that can't continue forever tbh because there's no end to how much standards can get raised before a significant number of men are left out altogether and you can no longer pretend enough men are able to meet women's rising standards (as seen by falling birth rates).

Been waiting forever for when dating is finally acknowledged as something only women and good looking men can expect to participate in but the sexual false consciousness that many guys have as R. Kshatriya describes it continues to construct a world where dating is still as easy for the common man as before.

And even with increasing numbers of guys forced out of the game the demand on the remaining guys only gets higher. What was once considered a chad 20 years ago is now considered the looks level of a chadlite. What was considered a chadlite 20 years ago is now the look levels of a normie. What was a low tier normie is now someone that is solidly incel.

tbh maybe not economic but a social collapse might have already occurred. Compare the 1950s and even times of bad recession in the 1970s to now. It's not even close. Things are much more confusing and tense than ever and only continue to become more like that.

I agree with just about everything you've said. I'd like to add that I think it's likely that we will reach a "hypergamy cliff."

Consider oil extraction. As we deplete the oil in the ground, it takes an increasing amount of energy, capital, and labor to extract the same amount of oil or the 'Red Queen Effect.' At some point, the amount of labor/capital/energy it takes to extract, refine, and transport a barrel of oil becomes prohibitively high, and we head over an oil production cliff.

The same will likely happen with hypergamy, the hypergamy bubble will become too big to even pretend to be sustainable, and it will burst. Exactly how or when, I do not know.

 

[your personality]

I agree with just about everything you've said. I'd like to add that I think it's likely that we will reach a "hypergamy cliff."

I think such thing is also referred to as a tipping point though maybe "cliffs" and tipping points are different tbh

Consider oil extraction. As we deplete the oil in the ground, it takes an increasing amount of energy and labor to extract the same amount of oil or the 'Red Queen Effect.' At some point, the amount of labor/energy it takes to extract, refine, and transport a barrel of oil becomes prohibitively high, and we head over an oil production cliff.

True. Which is why as with the fracking boom and the trumpeted end of peak oil it's still not completely convincing that peak oil can be postponed forever. As it is now it takes way more resources to extract the same amount of fuel compared to earlier more easy to reach deposits.

The same will likely happen with hypergamy, the hypergamy bubble will become too big to even pretend to be sustainable, and it will burst. Exactly how or when, I do not know.

Misandry bubble essay predicted that by 2020 it would have burst but it only got worse with social media, increased smartphones, tinder/hinge/bumble and onlyfans. To a level that was not easily imaginable in 2010.

As long as social media continues in widespread use there's no end to high women's standards in men can get as they collectively work themselves into a frenzy of having to never settle. By itself this is just nature accommodated by communication technology by because SMV and image is everything nowadays any more increasing standards is going to permanently diminish the quality of life for millions of men left out (even if they are asexual or volcel) because all the jobs and money are going to go to the high SMV men and women.

During this time extremist politics becomes more popular but imo we've also passed this phase too. The alt-right has basically collapsed especially as feds crack down and the low status white men get tossed under the bus by their compatriots in higher status ranks making up the "greater good" of white people and western countries. The socialist left has to repeatedly use politics as a general framework to advance understanding and addressing sexual pathologies and routinely borrows concepts from incels and the manosphere to describe how the system is being gamed.

Idk what comes next tbh
In a way coronavirus might have stabilized things for now compared to if there were no lockdowns and socialization was allowed to continue at full pace. A lot of cultural innovation, developments, lingo and movements haven't come about recently. Infact had posted earlier that

Other than the coronavirus pandemic the culture in mid to late 2019 wasn't much different than now.

So maybe there'll be a 1 or 2 year grace period before the next big round of cultural changes occurs. In western countries that's usually the year before and the year itself of US presidential elections tbh
If Kamala Harris is running in 2024 then Ig you can expect a repeat of 2016 and increasing introduction of gender dynamics being applied to understand the idea of how the system is rigged. There will be a rise of more woke neoliberals and a concurrent backlash of more staunch reactionaries. At this time imo incels will have been a mainstay and might be replaced in the public imagination by some group thought of as more extreme that happens to co-opt concepts from inceldom and the blackpill. It happened with MRAs, mgtows and the redpill at large so imo it's not going to be any different with the blackpill. Every social phenomenon has a limited shelf life where it's at its most effective.

 

[Deleted member 33216]

We need to care more about politics, that's the way to change shit. I know that most incels think politics is a cope, but it isn't. Politics is the only way to change the status quo.

 

[FUCKITALLREEE]

Will read this thread later ngl.

 

[cvh1991]

We all know how much normgroids, foids, and red pillers like to tell us to "self improve" so we can be "worthy" of a goddess to grace us with sex and intimacy. But the problem isn't with men, it's with women and their stratospheric levels of hypergamy.

Let's look back in the past. The average man in the the middle ages was a malnourished serf standing five and a half feet tall. If we k look at pictures of men from the 1930s and 40s, we don't see legions of chiselled-jawed neo-Spartan warriors, but bucktoothed, stick-armed hayseeds. However, these men all had loyal and dutiful wives, since hypergamy hadn't gone completely insane and foids still had a minimum level of decent conduct expected of them.

Today, men are more devoted than ever to "self improvement," hitting the gym, etc. And what do they get in compensation? Women are more cold and aloof towards them than ever before

Correct, the dating and sexual marketplace is so heavily skewed and lopsided one direction. That’s the real problem.

 

[Kamikaze]

I just want my looksmatch. If im 1/10 let her be 1/10....