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I've seen many community figureheads who have been part of this forum (Most notably Jack Peterson in 2017) describe incels as a "coping movement". I find this description pathetic and self defeating in that it undermines our potential as a force for social change which we very much possess, albeit in nascent form, at present.

It is factual that the Incel movement mostly functions as a coping space for disaffected men, but we ought not ignore our potential to evolve into a subcultural force akin to the LGBT movement of the 80s in terms of structure (lifestyle-based) and goal (social transformation). In my estimation, we lack 3 crucial traits towards achieving that end: Leadership, ideological foundation and vision.

Leadership: We need leaders to fixate the efforts of the community towards tangible goals
Ideological foundation: We need a cohesive, [UWSL]self-consistent [/UWSL]theoretical grounding not unlike Intersectionalism.
Vision: We need a commonly agreed upon roadmap with commonly agreed upon aims.

I cannot offer leadership, and we already possess an ideological foundation (though it certainly requires further development and greater coherence, it is still lacking), but I'd like to proposition a vision of praxis that I deem capable of achieving social outcomes desirable to most of us: INCEL-ORIENTED DUAL ACCELERATIONISM

Fundamental Thesis:
By Accelerating the forces of hypergamy and removing coping mechanisms that keep incels docile (pornography, prostitution) while simultaneously propping up institutions that propose an alternative acceptable to the incel cause (hence dual), the post sexual revolution mating arrangement will collapse and be replaced by an incel-endorsed model.


Praxis:
1: Encourage social forces that heighten hypergamous conduct and Incentivize young normies who might have a chance in the dating market to adopt the incel lifestyle by spreading fear and uncertainty with regard to women, dating and sex itself. The aim is to increase the overall number of incels in the male population by any means necessary.

2: Remove coping mechanisms that keep incels docile, namely prostitution and pornography. Back sex-negative feminist movements against prostitution/onlyfans and encourage measures that make pornography less accessible (Laws that require special permits for online access to porn such as the one proposed in the UK). The aim is to create a dedicated, radicalized vanguard without any outlet to quell their impetus for radical social change (Very similar to the Mazdaki movement of Sassanid Persia: The clerical nobility monopolized most of the female population in gigantic harems, leaving peasants with scraps. The peasantry had no outlets to cope with their sexual deprivation and lived lives of suffering, so they formed a religious movement centered around the idea of sexual redistribution and turned against imperial authority)

3: Prop up Christian institutions in an expression of extrinsic religiosity, extrinsic religiosity being defined as: "Extrinsic Religious Orientation is a method of using religion to achieve non-religious goals, essentially viewing religion as a means to an end. It is used by people who go to religious gatherings and claim certain religious ideologies to establish or maintain social networks while minimally adhering to the teachings of the religion. People high in extrinsic religious orientation are more likely to conform to social norms and demands rather than what the religion requires, and are often prone to twist religious beliefs to serve their own political goals." Christendom offers a social model desirable to incels that can replace hypergamous polygyny post-accelerationist collapse if strengthened accordingly.
 
Joined days ago. Check.

Calls inceldom a movement. Check.

Seeks to establish a political ideology centered around inceldom. Check.

Moderate to high probability conclusion: OP is some kind of provocateur and subversive agent (more likely private, less likely government).

Fucking greycels man....
@your personality Get a load of this.
 
Joined days ago. Check.

Calls inceldom a movement. Check.

Seeks to establish a political ideology centered around inceldom. Check.

Moderate to high probability conclusion: OP is some kind of provocateur and subversive agent (more likely private, less likely government).

Fucking greycels man....
"provocateur"
I did not advocate for violence or terrorism. I presented a solution to inceldom that involves radical social change and a means to accomplish it.
 
Fundamental Thesis:
By Accelerating the forces of hypergamy and removing coping mechanisms that keep incels docile (pornography, prostitution) while simultaneously propping up institutions that propose an alternative acceptable to the incel cause (hence dual), the post sexual revolution mating arrangement will collapse and be replaced by an incel-endorsed model.
No.
 
Can't we just LDAR in peace?
 
Joined Saturday at 1:39 PM
 
For a moment I thought its @Animecel2D jfl
 
lol another coping greycel who thinks he's hot shit :feelskek::feelskek:
Bro sit down. Nothing is gonna happen..we are a bunch of lonely men trying to cope. No one here has enough motivation nor energy to "ACCELERATE" :feelskek::feelskek:
Why don't you get the fuck outta here and let us cope in peace? That would be good for everyone.
 
I'm in the 10th engineering school here in france,
Why would I go back to a low iq uni?
I'm assuming that inceldom is your primary issue. If this is the case it'd be worth it. Alternatively you can get your degree and move back to Algeria afterwards.
 
I'm assuming that inceldom is your primary issue. If this is the case it'd be worth it. Alternatively you can get your degree and move back to Algeria afterwards.
Planning to move back if inceldom gets heavier,
But on the other hand, I don't want to finish with an algerian wife who's not even attracted to me,
I will end up begging for starfish sex once a month
Better stay incel, than "ascend" like a cuck
 
I've seen many community figureheads who have been part of this forum (Most notably Jack Peterson in 2017) describe incels as a "coping movement". I find this description pathetic and self defeating in that it undermines our potential as a force for social change which we very much possess, albeit in nascent form, at present.

It is factual that the Incel movement mostly functions as a coping space for disaffected men, but we ought not ignore our potential to evolve into a subcultural force akin to the LGBT movement of the 80s in terms of structure (lifestyle-based) and goal (social transformation). In my estimation, we lack 3 crucial traits towards achieving that end: Leadership, ideological foundation and vision.

Leadership: We need leaders to fixate the efforts of the community towards tangible goals
Ideological foundation: We need a cohesive, [UWSL]self-consistent [/UWSL]theoretical grounding not unlike Intersectionalism.
Vision: We need a commonly agreed upon roadmap with commonly agreed upon aims.

I cannot offer leadership, and we already possess an ideological foundation (though it certainly requires further development and greater coherence, it is still lacking), but I'd like to proposition a vision of praxis that I deem capable of achieving social outcomes desirable to most of us: INCEL-ORIENTED DUAL ACCELERATIONISM

Fundamental Thesis:
By Accelerating the forces of hypergamy and removing coping mechanisms that keep incels docile (pornography, prostitution) while simultaneously propping up institutions that propose an alternative acceptable to the incel cause (hence dual), the post sexual revolution mating arrangement will collapse and be replaced by an incel-endorsed model.


Praxis:
1: Encourage social forces that heighten hypergamous conduct and Incentivize young normies who might have a chance in the dating market to adopt the incel lifestyle by spreading fear and uncertainty with regard to women, dating and sex itself. The aim is to increase the overall number of incels in the male population by any means necessary.

2: Remove coping mechanisms that keep incels docile, namely prostitution and pornography. Back sex-negative feminist movements against prostitution/onlyfans and encourage measures that make pornography less accessible (Laws that require special permits for online access to porn such as the one proposed in the UK). The aim is to create a dedicated, radicalized vanguard without any outlet to quell their impetus for radical social change (Very similar to the Mazdaki movement of Sassanid Persia: The clerical nobility monopolized most of the female population in gigantic harems, leaving peasants with scraps. The peasantry had no outlets to cope with their sexual deprivation and lived lives of suffering, so they formed a religious movement centered around the idea of sexual redistribution and turned against imperial authority)

3: Prop up Christian institutions in an expression of extrinsic religiosity, extrinsic religiosity being defined as: "Extrinsic Religious Orientation is a method of using religion to achieve non-religious goals, essentially viewing religion as a means to an end. It is used by people who go to religious gatherings and claim certain religious ideologies to establish or maintain social networks while minimally adhering to the teachings of the religion. People high in extrinsic religious orientation are more likely to conform to social norms and demands rather than what the religion requires, and are often prone to twist religious beliefs to serve their own political goals." Christendom offers a social model desirable to incels that can replace hypergamous polygyny post-accelerationist collapse if strengthened accordingly.

Accelerationism is retarded, in the last few months leftists rioted over America, burnt everything down and intimidated jurors (all while the average man was told to stay at home for a virus while his livelihood in an economic sense got destroyed) - and the average man took it like a nice little boy, it wasn't even hidden, it was on the TV, live to see for everyone. People quickly adjust to every new situation and lockdowns/riots just became the new normal in the USA.

Look at Mexico: There you have cartels that represent the absolute minority of the people, but still nobody rises up when they again slaughter innocent people in the street. People adjust to everything. By trying to accelerate things (by pushing hypergamy/outlawing prostitution) you only hurt your in-group and give your opponents more possibilities to restrict your rights (as if they needed any more).

A beta revolution is impossible - look at Zoomers in the West, many of them know that they are incels (and admit it even in a self-deprecating manner), but they still would never come to the conclusion that only a radical social change (a sociopolitical U-turn so to speak) could remotely benefit them and even worse: They worship women to the most sickening/cringeworthy degrees despite knowing that this won't help them in the slightest. It is over. There is no turning back, Pandora's box (=liberalism/feminism) was opened, the idea is out in the world and sooner or later every country will get its dose of it. The only thing you can do is enjoying copes. Every other path is closed. These events were set into motion decades ago, only now we start to feel the consequences really.

lol another coping greycel who thinks he's hot shit :feelskek::feelskek:
Bro sit down. Nothing is gonna happen..we are a bunch of lonely men trying to cope. No one here has enough motivation nor energy to "ACCELERATE" :feelskek::feelskek:
Why don't you get the fuck outta here and let us cope in peace? That would be good for everyone.
 
"provocateur"
I did not advocate for violence or terrorism. I presented a solution to inceldom that involves radical social change and a means to accomplish it.
They never do - at first. Once embedded and slowly influencing the target people to the desired direction, they always make subtle, and sometimes overt, suggestions of violence that, at first would seem preposterous, but after plenty of slowly shifting attitudes, it would seem like a logical action to take (one that may even necessarily follow).

If you were black pilled on inceldom, you'd understand that it isn't - at its core - a social and cultural problem that can be "fixed" through gradual, political machination. The problem is genetic. It's evolutionary. The beauty bias and halo effect are ingrained in our DNA. This instinctual bias has cascading effects that ripple through every dimension of human life. The preference for all things beautiful is innate. Even infant babies stare at attractive faces for longer. You can't "solve" inceldom socially and politically any more than you can convince a hot-blooded, straight young male to find men sexually attractive (the tranny agenda is tirelessly running psyops quite persistently in that effort anyway, though).

There two ways you can solve inceldom, neither of which have immediate or forthcoming praxes:

1) Through genetically reengineering the entire human race to fall within today's top 5-10% of attractiveness and controlling/limiting genetic variability (in vitro) in that regard to effectively nullify the effect of that evolutionary bias. Then you let society reorganize and adjust itself around the new social realities, which could take anywhere from 50-100 years (several generations).

2) Engineer the entire globe such that the human evolutionary pressures which drove the direction of evolution and gave us our instincts today gives adjusted and new instincts over the next several hundred thousand years or so (or less). All of quantum computers producable in the world couldn't accurately model what would happen in such an instance.

As unlikely as both options are, the former seems more likely and feasible by comparison.
 
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They never do - at first. Once embedded and slowly influencing the target people to the desired direction, they always make subtle, and sometimes overt, suggestions of violence that, at first would seem preposterous, but after plenty of slowly shifting attitudes, it would seem like a logical action to take (one that may even necessarily follow).

If you were black pilled on inceldom, you'd understand that it isn't - at its core - a social and cultural problem that can be "fixed" through gradual, political machination. The problem is genetic. It's evolutionary. The beauty bias and halo effect are ingrained in our DNA. This instinctual bias has cascading effects that ripple through every dimension of human life. The preference for all things beautiful is innate. Even infant babies stare at attractive faces for longer. You can't "solve" inceldom socially and politically any more than you can convince a hot-blooded, straight young male to find men sexually attractive (the tranny agenda is tirelessly running psyops quite persistently in that effort anyway, though).

There two ways you can solve inceldom, neither of which have immediate or forthcoming praxes:

1) Through genetically reengineering the entire human race to fall within today's top 5-10% of attractiveness and controlling/limiting genetic variability (in vitro) in that regard to effectively nullify the effect of that evolutionary bias. Then you let society reorganize and adjust itself around the new social realities, which could take anywhere from 50-100 years (several generations).

2) Engineer the entire globe such that the human evolutionary pressures which drove the direction of evolution and gave us our instincts today gives adjusted and new instincts over the next several hundred thousand years or so (or less).

As unlikely as both options are, the former seems more likely and feasible by comparison.
Hypergamy is comparative. Women would still go for the top 20% of the genetically enhanced male population if given sexual freedom.
 
clicked thread, didn’t read, will post.
 
Hypergamy is comparative. Women would still go for the top 20% of the genetically enhanced male population if given sexual freedom.
I know. All things being equal, they would seek alternative metrics to rank men and compete for against other females.

The first option would mitigate the negative social effects of lookism bias and discrimination. It would, in theory, drastically reduce inceldom, since a lot more women would settle into long-term relationships earlier with a much lower degree of monkey branching. A big reason why hypergamy is in overdrive--in addition to 50+ years of feminism, augmented with technology and a societal, cultural support infrastructure (gynocracy)--is that there is a statistical scarcity of attractive men.

Women monkey branch for a lot of reasons, but it's predominantly due to feeling attraction towards another man who would be a novel experience for her. I call it the new shoes effect. When women find a new man they can branch off to, it's like the feeling of buying and wearing new shoes. It's fresh, looks good, and it makes them feel good, but soon they'll get bored of those shoes too and will keep their eyes open for another pair, ad nauseam. A woman monkey branching from some 60-100k salary provider to somebody whose status and wealth is stratospheric by comparison isn't the usual monkey branching. That's more like winning the lottery (almost literally in a sense, KEK). Women would love to be Albert II and shoot off into space, rather than swing away from Abu (from Aladdin) and into Donkey Kong's arms.

Genetically, there wouldn't be much point in monkey branching, since everyone is practically the same with minor variations here and there. Since attraction is the dominating reason for hypergamy, and since everyone is attractive, and since monkey branching to a high status male is improbable, a woman in such a world wouldn't want to monkey branch, as the effort:reward ratio would be extremely high.

The second option is where hypergamy ceases to be. If the right selective pressures in the right conditions were surgically exerted over a sufficient period of time, the sexual selector of the species wouldn't select the same way.

Artificial wombs is a strict bypass of all of that theoretical biology. @NoCopeNoHope can tell you all about that.
 
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Accelerationism can be a bad thing. For example if you accelerate hypergamy making the normies/nearcels insecure about themselves "you don't really have a gf, she is yours just for now normie boy" what's going to happen is that the normies/nearcels will remove themselves from the sexual market letting Chad roam freely.

Chads are a minority thus can only be a one night standing option to women unlike normies that can be year lasting couple even if they only receive starfish sex.
You do accelerate but on the other hand women are even more whorish, less fertile because they waste their eggs to Chad because only Chad can make them coom.

Who would want to fight against the system if your hard earned reward was a 100 bodycount woman?

Which is the logical reason why such an awful Incel political movement of which I do condemn any of it's views should advocate for the artificial birthing of attractive, smart, virgin, white women and a way to birth women and women only within these artificial uterus in order to whiten the world throughout the trading of these said women to foreign countries though with a limited amount of quality eggs to control their fertility thus stopping race wars and making women's SMV equal to 0, greycel :feelsjuice:
 
Rare commodity. Piousness is.

Jabir b. Abdullah reported that Allah's Apostle (may p(-ace be upon him) happened to walk through the bazar coming from the side of 'Aliya and the people were on both his sides.There he found a dead lamb with very short ears. He took hold of his ear and said: Who amongst you would like to have this for a dirham? They said: We do not like to have it even for less than that as it is of no use to us. He said: Do you wish to have it (free of any cost)?They said: By Allah, even if it were alive (we would not have liked to possess that), for there is detect in it as its ear is very short; now it is dead also.Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: By Allah, this world is more insignificant in the eye of Allah as it (this dead lamb) is in your eye
 
Idk man Im just coping then gonna die soon not much else to do in this wicked world.
 
See how ''far'' mens right activist got, nowhere. They don't have any reason to take us seriously because it doesn't benefit them.
 
Cool join date and post count.
 
So get rid of everything that makes our lives less shit, and give more power to our tormentors in the hopes that some small fraction of the newly incel population goes ER? That’s a horrible plan you glownigger
 
I see where Op coming from. i do. Support him I do. Do nothing and sit down. An outcome we all know the end of it.

But take action and try. Something different. Anything. is better than waiting for the inevitable.

Sure. All in vain it can be. But to explore options is better than confirming to nihilism. It is. For that it exactly what cucks want us to do. nothing. (Allah bless you OP).
 
I nominate @BlkPillPres to be one of our leaders Kek. But I do like the idea. I’m not high IQ enough to be a leader, but I would be willing to be an activist depending on what specifically I would be pushing. It would have to be anonymously though.
See how ''far'' mens right activist got, nowhere. They don't have any reason to take us seriously because it doesn't benefit them.
All men’s rights activists are feminists as blk pill press pointed out in a video of his:
View: https://youtu.be/3z_Lic5v2zA
 
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Nice post. This is the type of people we need in the incel community. Not the people who constantly spam it’s over and say the same things over and over again. I agree, we should definitely be more united as a group and actually try to solve the problem.

But I disagree with the idea of accelerating the problem. You will only shoot yourself in the door if you make the problem even worse. There is no guarantee that normies would start to become based on their own.
 
don't care about politics or any of that shit but gl :feelskek:
 
Definitive GrAYcel thread.
 
No we should incelerate.
 

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