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Interesting idea. What led you to consider the harmonic mean as a more reflective measure of true SMV?

In the formula, face and height are given by x1=x2, but what is n here? Also, if we wanted to change our assumption where x1=/=x2 and we introduce hairline (given by h), body (b), age (a), and income (i), what would the formula look like. Would be the wi's?
 
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Interesting idea. What led you to consider the harmonic mean as a more reflective measure of true SMV?

In the formula, face and height are given by x1=x2, but what is n here? Also, if we wanted to change our assumption where x1=/=x2 and we introduce hairline (given by h), body (b), age (a), and income (i), what would the formula look like. Would be the wi's?
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Mt Rushmore IQ thread. Might incorporate elements from it in a future video tbh
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Interesting idea. What led you to consider the harmonic mean as a more reflective measure of true SMV?
It was specifically the fact that the geometric and the harmonic mean will reduce the total score if there's a variance in your face and height scores. If they don't differ much (like a guy with 4 and 6/10 scores) the mean is very close to the arithmetic mean (little penalty).
But if you score really bad in one of the two, the total score gets significantly lower than your total score predicted by arithmetic mean. This is to model what I called the "20lbs phone" effect

The only reason i prefer the harmonic over the geometric mean is because the penalty is greater

In the formula, face and height are given by x1=x2, but what is n here? Also, if we wanted to change our assumption where x1=/=x2 and we introduce hairline (given by h), body (b), age (a), and income (i), what would the formula look like. Would be the wi's?
n is the total number of variables. So if you only have face and height it's n=2.

The weights are simply values that give greater relative importance to some characteristics. So if you want to do face 60 and height 40, you can do any variables with such ratios. So .6 and .4, or 6 and 4, or 60 and 40 etc

Let's say you wanna introduce body which is 4 times weaker than height (for instance), and you chose to go with weights of 6 and 4, the weight of body simply becomes a 1

If someone had a 3/10 face, 4/10 height and 5/10 body you'd get

Looks score = (3+4+5)/(3/6+4/4+5/1) = 1.846 ~1.85

Whereas with the same weights, an arithmetic mean in this case would give you a score of 3.55

If you think the penalty is too high use the geometric mean instead
 
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This solves a lot of debate about Height vs Face

It's like if you need to be a 6/10 to get a date and being short takes off 5 points and being ugly takes off 5 points.

Ugly Tallfag = 5/10 Handsome Manlet = 5/10

they're both beneath the cut off but for different reasons.

Good thread OP

Also, you said this was going to be controversial, I don't see the controversy
That's a very simple, correct summary. I also agree with 6/10 (high-tier Normie) being the minimum to score a date based on your appearance rather than status or money.

It should not be controversial as it's very logical, rational, and relatively easy to understand once you get the concept.
 
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It was specifically the fact that the geometric and the harmonic mean will reduce the total score if there's a variance in your face and height scores. If they don't differ much (like a guy with 4 and 6/10 scores) the mean is very close to the arithmetic mean (little penalty).
But if you score really bad in one of the two, the total score gets significantly lower than your total score predicted by arithmetic mean. This is to model what I called the "20lbs phone" effect

The only reason i prefer the harmonic over the geometric mean is because the penalty is greater


n is the total number of variables. So if you only have face and height it's n=2.

The weights are simply values that give greater relative importance to some characteristics. So if you want to do face 60 and height 40, you can do any variables with such ratios. So .6 and .4, or 6 and 4, or 60 and 40 etc

Let's say you wanna introduce body which is 4 times weaker than height (for instance), and you chose to go with weights of 6 and 4, the weight of body simply becomes a 1

If someone had a 3/10 face, 4/10 height and 5/10 body you'd get

Looks score = (3+4+5)/(3/6+4/4+5/1) = 1.846 ~1.85

Whereas with the same weights, an arithmetic mean in this case would give you a score of 3.55

If you think the penalty is too high use the geometric mean instead
I see. So the weights are what we arbitrarily decide to use then.
 
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I see. So the weights are what we arbitrarily decide to use then.
They represent the value you chose to attribute to the different features, it's how important you think they are. If you think height is more important then it should have the highest weight for instance.

It's all in relative terms so always keep in mind it's always comparative

But with these means i can show that even if you attribute the exact same worth to face and height, you still can't compensate for an abysmal face/height even if the other feature is really good (which is what happens with turbomanlets and really ugly ogres)

It allows us to make a model that takes into account one feature being so bad it ruins everything
 
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height is a looks multiplier, given a certain baseline facial attractiveness..
 
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height is a looks multiplier, given a certain baseline facial attractiveness..
That's actually how it works in geometric mean i mentioned. The formula is sqrt(f*h). Height acts like a multiplier.

But if you say that height is a multiplier then can't you say that face is the multiplier? What's the difference between f*h and h*f? :feelshehe:

I think the issue I have with the multiplier idea is that some people imply that height is a multiplier that doesn't drop very low.

For instance if you say that a turbomanlet height (like 5ft2) is like a 0.2 or 0.3 multiplier (so it destroys your looks) then i agree. If someone argues it's like a 0.9 or 0.8 (as if being 5ft2 only drops your looks by a little) then it's bullshit
 
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If you are 6'3 and can't get laid then you are simply retarded. LITERALLY just go to the gym, your ugly face will become a lot more attractive if you become jacked. I have NEVER seen anyone that is tall and jacked that had a really ugly face. Most that somewhat had an ugly face were all of ethnics like indians. So if you are white and 6'3 then your only excuse is if you had a really small dick. Even if you are tall and attractive, if you have a small dick its still useless sadly.
 
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If you are 6'3 and can't get laid then you are simply retarded. LITERALLY just go to the gym, your ugly face will become a lot more attractive if you become jacked. I have NEVER seen anyone that is tall and jacked that had a really ugly face. Most that somewhat had an ugly face were all of ethnics like indians. So if you are white and 6'3 then your only excuse is if you had a really small dick. Even if you are tall and attractive, if you have a small dick its still useless sadly.
white and tall is volcel 95% of the time
 
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If you are 6'3 and can't get laid then you are simply retarded. LITERALLY just go to the gym, your ugly face will become a lot more attractive if you become jacked. I have NEVER seen anyone that is tall and jacked that had a really ugly face. Most that somewhat had an ugly face were all of ethnics like indians. So if you are white and 6'3 then your only excuse is if you had a really small dick. Even if you are tall and attractive, if you have a small dick its still useless sadly.
Gym game definitely works way better when you're tall with a big frame, it's like 10 times more effective for these people because it reinforces what they already have genetically: the size advantage and intimidation factor
 
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If you are 6'3 and can't get laid then you are simply retarded. LITERALLY just go to the gym, your ugly face will become a lot more attractive if you become jacked. I have NEVER seen anyone that is tall and jacked that had a really ugly face. Most that somewhat had an ugly face were all of ethnics like indians. So if you are white and 6'3 then your only excuse is if you had a really small dick. Even if you are tall and attractive, if you have a small dick its still useless sadly.
Fucking this.
 
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All manlets in this forum also have a subpar face but are coping hard trying to blame their height
 
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Face > Height
 
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All manlets in this forum also have a subpar face but are coping hard trying to blame their height
Good looking faces aren't that common to begin win, so very short + good looking face is even less common.
 
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an actual fucking legit piece of knowledge , well done.
 
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That's ok. Tbh neither do I because I've always wanted to be tall and I think it would save me if i suddenly became 6ft5+.

But I can still understand how it's possible for them to be lonely and get rejected
Its normal to get rejected but we are talking about getting rejected all the time cause this is what inceldom all about
tall incels exists but they are extremely rare, maybe like 0.00002 % of the population or rarer than that
 
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Now do hair
It's part of face to me. Lower third, eye area and hair are the 3 pillars of face

Also I made a post on celebs getting hair transplants and what celebs look like with no hair

 
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So if I have a 3-4/10 face and 6'0 in height, what would that make me and would my height significantly help me ascend?
 
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So if I have a 3-4/10 face and 6'0 in height, what would that make me and would my height significantly help me ascend?
With the harmonic mean you'd be a 4 or a 4.8/10 with the harmonic mean (for 3 and 4/10 in face respectively, since you're not sure about your face rating).
With the geometric mean it's 4.24 and 4.9

You'll notice this is lower than the 4.5 and 5 that would be predicted with an arithmetic mean
 
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With the harmonic mean you'd be a 4 or a 4.8/10 with the harmonic mean (for 3 and 4/10 in face respectively, since you're not sure about your face rating).
With the geometric mean it's 4.24 and 4.9

You'll notice this is lower than the 4.5 and 5 that would be predicted with an arithmetic mean
Interesting. Still being sub5 means it's over though :feelsrope:
 
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5/10 Height 5/10 Face > 2,5/10 Height and 7,5/10 Face
5/10 Height 5/10 Face > 7,5/10 Height 2,5/10 Face

But

7,5/10 Height 5/10 Face >? 5/10 Height 7,5/10 Face
(Woman on social media say yes most of the time, barely any attractive shortmale sympatizer)
 
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mirin high iq

being short and ethnic is such a failo for me, I genuinely believe I'd be decent look if wasn't for my pheno and height.
 
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mirin high iq

being short and ethnic is such a failo for me, I genuinely believe I'd be decent look if wasn't for my pheno and height.
Are your a ricecel?
 
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What’s the bottom line. I am too low iq
 
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What’s the bottom line. I am too low iq
Basically you can't simply average things arithmetically if one of your scores (height or face) is very bad, you get a 20lbs phone effect that fucks you over and drags you down.
 
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Basically you can't simply average things arithmetically if one of your scores (height or face) is very bad, you get a 20lbs phone effect that fucks you over and drags you down.
So better to be average than a tall cell or chad manlet (5’4)
 
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High IQ and good thread.
 
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I'm expecting some ugly tallfags and manlets coming and saying "BUT THE OTHER CANT BE INCEL, BULLSHIT". It always happens

The point of the post is to try to bring people together to some extent. You do NOT have to believe that face and height are equally as strong to admit with this model that anyone can be inkwel if they score really bad at one or the other. Hopefully that helps people see things differently


That's ok. Tbh neither do I because I've always wanted to be tall and I think it would save me if i suddenly became 6ft5+.

But I can still understand how it's possible for them to be lonely and get rejected
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tallfag gaslighting has reached levels unthought of
 
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Get your point but if you have a 10 height (6'3, yes not 6'7 or some shit 6'3 is optimal unless you're in the Netherlands) and a 3 face, you'd have pretty good looks according to your model right? Face > height but still, if you have about a 4 face as a tallfag you're not a real incel, unless you have severe autism. A 3 face at 6'3 I can buy, barely, but you're still pretty close to a 5 with those stats.
 
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Get your point but if you have a 10 height (6'3, yes not 6'7 or some shit 6'3 is optimal unless you're in the Netherlands) and a 3 face, you'd have pretty good looks according to your model right? Face > height but still, if you have about a 4 face as a tallfag you're not a real incel, unless you have severe autism. A 3 face at 6'3 I can buy, barely, but you're still pretty close to a 5 with those stats.
I really don't think that 6ft3 is 10/10, more like 8/10, maybe 9/10 in places like riceland/curryland. On tiktok and social media foids have been pushing for 6ft5/6ft6 a lot, I've seen plenty of posts on reddit saying "eh my bf is 6ft2/6ft3, nothing special"

But assuming 6ft3 is 10/10 height + 3/10 face, and face ~height we get 5.5 with the geometric mean and 4.6 with the harmonic mean.

So we're predicting normie looks essentially (~5/10). If you assume that face is stronger than height it's going to be more like a 4/10.

I'd say sub4 is real inceldom, 4-6/10 is more like normie territory (with 4/10 being low tier normie, the nearcels). That being said you don't need to have sub4 looks to be an incel in practical terms nowadays. Depends where you live, depends on your money/status etc it's possible

Obviously a 5/10 dude will never relate to a 3/10 subhuman, even if they're both equally inexperienced with women
 
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It's part of face to me. Lower third, eye area and hair are the 3 pillars of face

Lower third = jawline, chin and mouth, midface= philtrum, nose and maxilla/ cheekbones and eyes; upper third= forehead and hair
 
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This solves a lot of debate about Height vs Face
This model is great, but just wait until a paper comes out with the economic value of each trait. We got a post about that in the must-read section, but it only addresses looks overall and race, not particular traits.
A fucking masterpiece, galactic IQ.

The 20lbs smartphone thing is fucking perfect, sums it up perfectly

This needs to be pinned immediately
Totally. Feels fresh since this is all personal harvest more that citing papares. Great post @Gymcelled
 
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Ok this is an amazing thread
 
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I feel iq mogged now, cant even escape the mog in the only incel forum there is. I fucking hate my life
 
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What's the graph look like for autism?
 
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yeah it's a non-linear interaction of sexual cues that determines your attractiveness
 
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height is a looks multiplier, given a certain baseline facial attractiveness..
height gives you the best base smv tbh along with race