Serious Towards a consistent definition of Incel

[mlcurrycel]

You are not "reasoning", you are propagandizing. Did you read Lenin, Stalin and Mao? Don't you want to own up to your masters?

If you're pro-capitalism and libertarian; you're not pro-incel!

A kibbutz society like in Israel is the ideal society (minus the crazy stuff like taking kids away from their parents) kibbutz would be cool srs

incels.is

 

[K9Otaku]

But Marxists developed their own school of philosophy and debated other schools as well as themselves ...

At the time of Marx, yes, they did engage with other thought currents, but not at the time of Lenin onwards

Whatever bro. Call me whatever. I consider my work to be the incel version of Stalin's "Marxism and the National Question". Read it sometime.

Are you ready to kill dozens of millions of people in order to establish the paradise of incel workers? If so, by all means, knock yourself out

 

[mlcurrycel]

At the time of Marx, yes, they did engage with other thought currents, but not at the time of Lenin onwards


Are you ready to kill dozens of millions of people in order to establish the paradise of incel workers? If so, by all means, knock yourself out

I will get a virgin wife or die trying

 

[K9Otaku]

At the time of Marx, yes, they did engage with other thought currents, but not at the time of Lenin onwards

Are you ready to kill dozens of millions of people in order to establish the paradise of incel workers? If so, by all means, knock yourself out

I will get a virgin wife or die trying

Please answer the question ...

 

[mlcurrycel]

Please answer the question ...

I did

 

[K9Otaku]

I did

Really? Did you mean "I will get a virgin wife even if I have to kill dozens of millions in the process"?

Because if you did not, you are not true to Stalin's or Mao's legacy.

 

[mlcurrycel]

Really? Did you mean "I will get a virgin wife even if I have to kill dozens of millions in the process"?

Because if you did not, you are not true to Stalin's or Mao's legacy.

In the Bhagvad Gita, Shree Krishna instructs Arjun that the moral obligation to enact justice overrides the virtue of peacefulness, and that death is merely another stage of life

 

[tulasdanslos]

In the Bhagvad Gita, Shree Krishna instructs Arjun that the moral obligation to enact justice overrides the virtue of peacefulness, and that death is merely another stage of life

I'm not even going to ask you for the source, the mere fact you typed those words is amazing.
Thanks for the lifefuel.

 

[mlcurrycel]

I'm not even going to ask you for the source, the mere fact you typed those words is amazing.
Thanks for the lifefuel.

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Bhagavad-gītā As It Is

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It's a good read

 

[K9Otaku]

In the Bhagvad Gita, Shree Krishna instructs Arjun that the moral obligation to enact justice overrides the virtue of peacefulness, and that death is merely another stage of life

Indeed.

But did Mao and Stalin enact justice? Do the Soviet Union and Maoist China seem like just systems to you?

 

[mlcurrycel]

Indeed.

But did Mao and Stalin enact justice? Do the Soviet Union and Maoist China seem like just systems to you?

They didn't have government assigned wives, so no, they weren't just

 

[advik97]

good to see you back. I intend to read this thread over the weekend. rn i'm fucked up from my job and stuff also i want to talk to you more maite good to see you back

 

[K9Otaku]

They didn't have government assigned wives, so no, they weren't just

And the fact that you could be sent to the Gulag (or shot) just because someone had denounced you under torture, even if you had done nothing wrong. Was that just? These kinds of occurrences happened in the hundreds of thousands in both countries.

In the Soviet Union, most of Ukraine, and other parts of the USSR, were starved until they accepted agricultural slavery in kolkhozes, with drastic reductions in living standards. Millions died. Was that just?

Under Mao, countless peasants were conscripted to build bullshit non-functional blast furnaces, during the "great leap forward", and consequently forced to neglect their fields. Tens of millions died of hunger. Was that just?

 

[mlcurrycel]

And the fact that you could be sent to the Gulag (or shot) just because someone had denounced you under torture, even if you had done nothing wrong. Was that just? These kinds of occurrences happened in the hundreds of thousands in both countries.

In the Soviet Union, most of Ukraine, and other parts of the USSR, were starved until they accepted agricultural slavery in kolkhozes, with drastic reductions in living standards. Millions died. Was that just?

Under Mao, countless peasants were conscripted to build bullshit non-functional blast furnaces, during the "great leap forward", and consequently forced to neglect their fields. Tens of millions died of hunger. Was that just?

If so many people really died, then how did they fight off Germany? How were they able to fight the Cold War after fighting off Germany? How were they able to achieve the first satellite, dog, man, and woman in space? Venus rover? Moon rover? Build world's largest dam? Build dams in India? Send weapons all around the world? Make nuclear missiles?

It's just not realistic. Probably CIA propaganda.

 

[K9Otaku]

If so many people really died, then how did they fight off Germany? How were they able to fight the Cold War after fighting off Germany? How were they able to achieve the first satellite, dog, man, and woman in space? Venus rover? Moon rover? Build world's largest dam? Build dams in India? Send weapons all around the world? Make nuclear missiles?

It is totally realistic. Russia was a big country and it had population to spare (lots of peasants). Official USSR statistics (which were only revealed in the 90s) show that there was a deficit of around 10 million in the census done in the early 40s compared to the early 30s

To make satellites, rockets and manufacture weapons, you can do it with terrorized slaves, not necessarily free people. In the early 40s, just before the war and until around 1942, all Russian Aerospace designers, including Korolev, were detained in Sharashkas (prison-research centers) run by the NKVD. All early-war combat aircraft of the USSR were designed in such prisons. Korolev lost almost all his teeth while in the Gulag.

After the war, the USSR (like the US) received a significant input of technology from Germany. All early Russian rockets (R-1 up to R-5) were basically improved and enlarged V-1s.

The nuclear know-how was spied from the Manhattan project. It is quite easy to design something like that when you know it has already been done (even if you don't have all the details).

It's just not realistic. Probably CIA propaganda.

Ok, so when you don't like it, it must be propaganda, right? But you never do any of that yourself, do you?

Unfortunately for you, the history of the Soviet Union is very well known today because, when it collapsed in 1991, all its archives were made public. The soviets were obsessive bureaucrats and, as such, kept meticulous files on everything; especially the OGPU/NKVD/KGB. As a result, the picture is quite clear.

 

[Pajeetsingh]

And the fact that you could be sent to the Gulag (or shot) just because someone had denounced you under torture, even if you had done nothing wrong. Was that just? These kinds of occurrences happened in the hundreds of thousands in both countries.

In the Soviet Union, most of Ukraine, and other parts of the USSR, were starved until they accepted agricultural slavery in kolkhozes, with drastic reductions in living standards. Millions died. Was that just?

Under Mao, countless peasants were conscripted to build bullshit non-functional blast furnaces, during the "great leap forward", and consequently forced to neglect their fields. Tens of millions died of hunger. Was that just?

Why are you so defensive dude? Marxism has nothing to do with you. Using these strawmans doesn't work and only makes you look like a insecure NPC.

 

[Pajeetsingh]

It is totally realistic. Russia was a big country and it had population to spare (lots of peasants). Official USSR statistics (which were only revealed in the 90s) show that there was a deficit of around 10 million in the census done in the early 40s compared to the early 30s

To make satellites, rockets and manufacture weapons, you can do it with terrorized slaves, not necessarily free people. In the early 40s, just before the war and until around 1942, all Russian Aerospace designers, including Korolev, were detained in Sharashkas (prison-research centers) run by the NKVD. All early-war combat aircraft of the USSR were designed in such prisons. Korolev lost almost all his teeth while in the Gulag.

After the war, the USSR (like the US) received a significant input of technology from Germany. All early Russian rockets (R-1 up to R-5) were basically improved and enlarged V-1s.

The nuclear know-how was spied from the Manhattan project. It is quite easy to design something like that when you know it has already been done (even if you don't have all the details).


Ok, so when you don't like it, it must be propaganda, right? But you never do any of that yourself, do you?

Unfortunately for you, the history of the Soviet Union is very well known today because, when it collapsed in 1991, all its archives were made public. The soviets were obsessive bureaucrats and, as such, kept meticulous files on everything; especially the OGPU/NKVD/KGB. As a result, the picture is quite clear.

Sure they killed people but who cares? Most of them were bourgeoisie anyway and deserved it, we have literal Nazis here justifying mass killings why shouldn't commies do it too?

 

[K9Otaku]

Why are you so defensive dude? Marxism has nothing to do with you. Using these strawmans doesn't work and only makes you look like a insecure NPC.

I am just reacting to the "Marxist-Rodgerist" signature banner at the bottom of @mlcurrycel's posts. Aren't Stalin and Mao on this picture?

 

[K9Otaku]

Sure they killed people but who cares? Most of them were bourgeoisie anyway and deserved it

Not at all. Most of the victims both in Russia and China were poor illiterate farmers who starved to death. Millions of them in each case.

 

[mlcurrycel]

I am just reacting to the "Marxist-Rodgerist" signature banner at the bottom of @mlcurrycel's posts. Aren't Stalin and Mao on this picture?

I'll stop beating around the bush. I think Stalin and Mao were based and I think Stalin didn't kill enough kulaks.

 

[mlcurrycel]

Not at all. Most of the victims both in Russia and China were poor illiterate farmers who starved to death. Millions of them in each case.

Nope, most were bureaucrats who worked for the Tsarist regime or fought in the White Army. They should never have been trusted in the first place. The purges were good but some of the purgers were infiltrators themselves leading to the death of innocents. The famines were temporary and exaggerated by fascists. The poor farmers were better off, the farmers who suffered were the upper middle class Chad kulaks

 

[mlcurrycel]

Why are you so defensive dude? Marxism has nothing to do with you. Using these strawmans doesn't work and only makes you look like a insecure NPC.

Maybe his grandfather was a German victim of communism circa 1944

 

[K9Otaku]

Nope, most were bureaucrats who worked for the Tsarist regime or fought in the White Army. They should never have been trusted in the first place. The purges were good but some of the purgers were infiltrators themselves leading to the death of innocents. The famines were temporary and exaggerated by fascists. The poor farmers were better off, the farmers who suffered were the upper middle class Chad kulaks

Ok, so you are a brainwashed commie. I just wanted to be sure

 

[mlcurrycel]

Ok, so you are a brainwashed commie. I just wanted to be sure

You're a brainwashed capitalism lover

 

[mlcurrycel]

Ok, so you are a brainwashed commie. I just wanted to be sure

Robert Conquest literally wrote anti-communist propaganda for British Intelligence.

 

[Pajeetsingh]

You're a brainwashed capitalism lover

He literally parrots mainstream narrative against communism and tells us that we are the one who are brainwashed.

 

[mlcurrycel]

He literally parrots mainstream narrative against communism and tells us that we are the one who are brainwashed.

I've been told Communism was evil since I was a little kid. Even the average communist in the west and in universities hate the USSR.
Supporting Stalin is literally the most anti-NPC thing possible, because unlike Nazis who are constantly in the media, there is almost no way to even discover arguments in favour of Stalin

 

[mlcurrycel]

He literally parrots mainstream narrative against communism and tells us that we are the one who are brainwashed.

Plus he broke the ad hominem out first

 

[mlcurrycel]

I'm wondering if a simpler definition might be "someone who wishes for intimacy both sexual and romantic but is frustrated by factors outside of his control"

 

[Incel Philosopher]

Few things to OP and other posters
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1. Betabux is a long term prostitution, so a married man also may be considered incel.

Lol no, just no

2. Richcel also can be incel. I shared a story here about a guy who married a poor stacy, his oneitis. Everything was fine, until a worker chad came to the house to fix something. He said that she never looked at him like she looked at this guy. So, if there is a reason for her to marry him, and it's not sexual lust - he is an incel.

If he fucked the stacy during their relationship he is not a fucking incel.
Really, are we going to let any normie whose wife looked sideways at another man call himself incel?
This is getting ridiculous.

3. Another guy: A very smart but very ugly and short Ashkenazi Jew who married a gentile gigastacy. She told him that the only reason she married him was to have smart kids. I'm not sure if it's a validation or not. What would you say?

Lol. She not only married him, she actually wants to have kids with him.
A true incel could only dream of being able to have kids.
This isn't even a betabuxx situation. This "ugly" jew maybe through sheer luck, maybe for other reasons, clearly ascended and is not an incel.

 

[Incel Philosopher]

Fuck no. Hell no. Absolutely not. If you have had consensual sexual contact with a female for free you are NOT an incel. It is that easy. Inceldom is like virginity, you don't regain membership. Once a female has expressed sexual desire for you, even ONCE, you are already drastically different from the rest of the community. I absolutely will NOT allow past sex-havers to identify as incel. Debates can be had about every other point, but not this one. Free consensual sex = not incel, and can never be an incel.

Truth.

Define rich. Also, this depends. Any middle-class incel could, perhaps in theory, import a third world woman or just pick up a crack addict and they'll happily move in with you and fuck you. You don't have to be "rich" to do this. However, this obviously isn't ascension because these women would not actually desire you. It would be no different to escortcelling.

3rd world brides, imported brides and arranged marriages are just crypto-escortceling and they don't count as ascension because they eliminate all standards. Betabuxxing counts as ascension because there is still a threshold before you can do it. Five foot one manlets cannot betabux the modern women who have plenty of her own money anyway.

Yes, in the modern world betabuxxing is not easy. In past generations, this was a possibility for most men. But I don't think I could ever personally get a woman from a 1st world country by just betabuxxing. Idk, maybe if she was a 40 year old, drug-addicted single mother.

When it comes to 3rd world imported brides it can be complicated. Some of those relationships are pseudo-genuine. Where the woman wasn't desperate for money. But she would have never married a man of her own ethnicity given the same finances, height, personality. There is a certain status that SEA women seem to get from marrying western men.
She not using him for money but she's using him for his whiteness. Weird, but probably does count as ascension.

 

[Friezacel]

An important and valuable post. Lets say a man is 40 years old. He had his first only relationship at 20 and it lasted for 1 years. After that he was never able to find another relationship and has been sexless for the last 19 years. He is by definition an incel even though many here would accuse him of being a fakecel due to this one relationship he had 2 decades ago.

 

[mlcurrycel]

An important and valuable post. Lets say a man is 40 years old. He had his first only relationship at 20 and it lasted for 1 years. After that he was never able to find another relationship and has been sexless for the last 19 years. He is by definition an incel even though many here would accuse him of being a fakecel due to this one relationship he had 2 decades ago.

We can't call St. @FACEandLMS a fakecel

 

[mlcurrycel]

Truth.


Yes, in the modern world betabuxxing is not easy. In past generations, this was a possibility for most men. But I don't think I could ever personally get a woman from a 1st world country by just betabuxxing. Idk, maybe if she was a 40 year old, drug-addicted single mother.

When it comes to 3rd world imported brides it can be complicated. Some of those relationships are pseudo-genuine. Where the woman wasn't desperate for money. But she would have never married a man of her own ethnicity given the same finances, height, personality. There is a certain status that SEA women seem to get from marrying western men.
She not using him for money but she's using him for his whiteness. Weird, but probably does count as ascension.

Agreed. Under dual mating strategy / alpha fucks beta buxx, women at least like their beta like they love a dog. Actually they love dogs more than their beta. But richcels who get used are treated worse than a beta.

 

[AnilBashir]

Most of the disagreement seems to be around actual recorded outcomes (has never had sex) vs potential (could if he tried)

In my opinion outcomes based assessment is the only useful one. If he’s never been laid, despite trying, he’s incel

It’s all well and good to sit here and say “he has the physical characteristics to succeed if he really tried” or “there is no need for him to be incel” or “if I looked like him I wouldn’t be incel” etc, but we can’t prove this. The guy has tried to have sexual success and failed, so is an incel

 

[mlcurrycel]

Most of the disagreement seems to be around actual recorded outcomes (has never had sex) vs potential (could if he tried)

In my opinion outcomes based assessment is the only useful one. If he’s never been laid, despite trying, he’s incel

It’s all well and good to sit here and say “he has the physical characteristics to succeed if he really tried” or “there is no need for him to be incel” or “if I looked like him I wouldn’t be incel” etc, but we can’t prove this. The guy has tried to have sexual success and failed, so is an incel

Also, with volceldom - if a guy genuinely doesn't want relationships and/or has fucked enough Stacey escorts that he fried his brain's bonding ability, then he shouldn't be allowed. Inceldom is about pain, and if you can succesfully cope with escorts, then you shouldn't be allowed.