JFL This Is What Sex Is About To Anti-Escortcels [Egoists] (Being In Awe Of Your Own Greatness)

[BlkPillPres]

View: https://youtu.be/L3vg2cTX3rQ?t=418


Egoists don't want to have sex because its enjoyable, nope, that's not enough

They want to have sex because of what it implies ABOUT THEMSELVES

Sex is about affirming "THEIR GREATNESS" to be able to get a woman to be attracted to them

Its all about their perception of themselves

This is why paying for sex is out of the question, because then they can't be in awe of themselves and their "accomplishment", it takes away the "trophy" and the "competition factor" of sex

 

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Damn it..

 

[Deleted member 21227]

Giving money to women is cucked anyway rofl

 

[Lv99_BixNood]

Everyone wants validation from the opposite sex. Subatomic IQ.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Giving money to women is cucked anyway rofl

What isn't cucked under the vague pointless usage guys like you apply to the term, it has no meaning anymore, breathing air is cucked at this point

Can you even explain why its cucked?

 

[Rhoadscel]

I was wondering why I always looked at the mirror when I hire escorts..

 

[IncelKing]

Giving money to women is cucked anyway rofl

having a job is cucked as well seeing as though a lot of your tax goes to women. Better to be homeless tbh ngl

 

[TheSecondComing]

you’re right. i just wanna bust

 

[BlkPillPres]

Everyone wants validation from the opposite sex. Subatomic IQ.

Yes and everybody wants to be a millionaire, so by your logic remain homeless and never buy a regular house because you can't get a mansion

having a job is cucked as well seeing as though a lot of your tax goes to women. Better to be homeless tbh ngl

 

[Deleted member 25707]

Anti Escorts are either teen moralfags or coping poorfags. JFL at them.

 

[BlkPillPres]

you’re right. i just wanna bust

Please learn to read

 

[TheProphetMuscle]

I'll pass on paying to fuck a stinky, used up infested hole. Done that shit before and it sucked

 

[BlkPillPres]

I'll pass on paying to fuck a stinky, used up infested hole. Done that shit before and it sucked

1. Ok, how about you try fucking a clean used up hole instead next time and don't repeat the past lol

2. So by your logic you wouldn't fuck your average woman then, because pretty much all women are used up today, a lot of you guys don't realize that the same arguments you apply to whores as for why you wouldn't fuck them can be applied to that woman you would date

The whore has fucked at least 100 guys in a year, the woman you want to date has fucked at least 100 guys in the last 5 years, are you saying there's some kind of "refresh rate"?

You are still fucking a used up whore at the end of the day, stop with the ridiculous arbitrary rules, I don't see any of you guys moving to any remote villages to bag a virgin bride

 

[TheProphetMuscle]

Ok, how about you try fucking a clean used up hole instead next time and don't repeat the past lol

They're all gonna be dirty because they're whores

 

[Lv99_BixNood]

Yes and everybody wants to be a millionaire, so by your logic remain homeless and never buy a regular house because you can't get a mansion

I want a woman to love me and be sexually attracted to me. Fucking an ugly hooker that had hundreds of cocks before doesn't do anything for me, I'd rather jack off.

 

[Deleted member 21219]

Sex with hookers is a great cope. However, iam not going to deny validational sex is better than transactional sex just because ive never got to experience it.

 

[BlkPillPres]

I want a woman to love me and be sexually attracted to me

Love is just sexual attraction, romantic love doesn't exist without sexual attraction because it is in fact just sexual attraction, with your brain using hormones to make you think it "something deeper", so you guys just keep making redundant statements

Fucking an ugly hooker that had hundreds of cocks before doesn't do anything for me, I'd rather jack off.

They're all gonna be dirty because they're whores

So by your logic you wouldn't fuck your average woman then, because pretty much all women are used up today, a lot of you guys don't realize that the same arguments you apply to whores as for why you wouldn't fuck them can be applied to that woman you would date

The whore has fucked at least 100 guys in a year, the woman you want to date has fucked at least 100 guys in the last 3-5 years, are you saying there's some kind of "refresh rate" and 1 year is too soon?

You are still fucking a used up whore at the end of the day, stop with the ridiculous arbitrary rules, I don't see any of you guys moving to any remote villages to bag a virgin bride

Sex with hookers is a great cope. However, iam not going to deny validational sex is better than transactional sex just because ive never got to experience it.

1. I never made the argument its better

2. Your argument is contradictory because it isn't neutral and therefore you could argue the opposite

"I am not going to deny validational sex is worse than transactional sex just because I've never got to experience it"

If you haven't experienced it you can't so you won't deny its better, by that same logic don't assert it can't be worse

 

[Deleted member 23682]

Sex with hookers is a great cope. However, iam not going to deny validational sex is better than transactional sex just because ive never got to experience it.

1. I never made the argument its better

2. Your argument is contradictory because it isn't neutral and therefore you could argue the opposite

"I am not going to deny validational sex is worse than transactional sex just because I've never got to experience it"

If you haven't experienced it you can't so you won't deny its better, by that same logic don't assert it can't be worse

 

[Deleted member 21219]

1. I never made the argument its better

2. Your argument is contradictory because it isn't neutral and therefore you could argue the opposite

"I am not going to deny validational sex is worse than transactional sex just because I've never got to experience it"

If you haven't experienced it you can't so you won't deny its better, by that same logic don't assert it can't be worse

You dont claim its better but you also call out people who desire validation. It doesnt matter to you but it does to a lot of guys here. I can imagine it being better, else the few chads i know would be paying for escorts, not lining up whores on tinder.

 

[IncelKing]

Everyone wants validation from the opposite sex. Subatomic IQ.

yes and nearly everyone is bluepilled so by that logic the bluepill is correct. The logical integrity of something is independant to who believes in it or how many people believe in it. At one point, pretty much everyone in the world believed that the earth was flat, this didnt change reality where the earth is spherical.

When someone appeals to majority, its a good indicator that the person has a followers' mindset and makes judgements/decisions based on what others believe rather than using their own brain to think introspectively to determine whether that belief is logical.

 

[Lv99_BixNood]

So by your logic you wouldn't fuck your average woman then, because pretty much all women are used up today, a lot of you guys don't realize that the same arguments you apply to whores as for why you wouldn't fuck them can be applied to that woman you would date

The whore has fucked at least 100 guys in a year, the woman you want to date has fucked at least 100 guys in the last 5 years, are you saying there's some kind of "refresh rate"?

You are still fucking a used up whore at the end of the day, stop with the ridiculous arbitrary rules, I don't see any of you guys moving to any remote villages to bag a virgin bride

Well, why do you think so many guys here are bemoaning the fact that all women nowadays are whores. Yes I wouldn't date the average roastie who has sucked dozens of cocks before. If you argue that makes me volcel, it doesn't because even the ugliest, skankiest women still wouldn't fuck me even if I wanted them.

 

[PPEcel]

"I really can't stress blonde enough. Blonde."

 

[universallyabhorred]

This is why paying for sex is out of the question, because then they can't be in awe of themselves and their "accomplishment", it takes away the "trophy" and the "competition factor" of sex

True. For me I still think paying for sex is a good deal and can boost my ego, if it is bareback, relatively inexpensive, the foid is attractive or at least not too old and ugly, it's done in an area where prostitution is illegal requiring me to navigate risk, the whore doesn't expect I take her out or make conversation with her and gets to the sex immediately.

 

[Caesercel]

Everyone wants validation from the opposite sex. Subatomic IQ.

Cucked and bluepilled. Fuck validation from roasty toasties.

 

[BlkPillPres]

If you argue that makes me volcel, it doesn't because even the ugliest, skankiest women still wouldn't fuck me even if I wanted them.

You are twisting the definition to create your own personal defintion that's convenient to you, volcel means its YOU that's doing the rejecting, whether these women would reject you or not is irrelevant BECAUSE IF THEY DIDN'T YOU WOULD REJECT THEM (that's what makes you volcel)

The funny thing is, when we clear the air and get guys like you to admit shit like this, it really begs the question, what the fuck is inceldom to you?

"I can't get a virgin bride so I'll reject all women with an X+ body count"?

How the fuck is that inceldom?, its you refusing to pick from whats available to begin with

At this point I have to ask if you even ever approached

 

[Caesercel]

Sex with hookers is a great cope. However, iam not going to deny validational sex is better than transactional sex just because ive never got to experience it.

You can beta buxx a currywhore right now. Then watch her as she twists her mouth in distaste at the idea of having sex with you. After that watch her make excuses like "headache", "not in the mood".

There is no true validation with foids. Almost all of them will cuck their husbands and boyfriends if a better option presents itself.

 

[NormScum]

High IQ.

Most anti-escortcels I've seen just want validation, but why would you want validation from an inferior creature anyway

 

[Deleted member 24081]

View: https://youtu.be/L3vg2cTX3rQ?t=418


Egoists don't want to have sex because its enjoyable, nope, that's not enough

They want to have sex because of what it implies ABOUT THEMSELVES

Sex is about affirming "THEIR GREATNESS" to be able to get a woman to be attracted to them

Its all about their perception of themselves

This is why paying for sex is out of the question, because then they can't be in awe of themselves and their "accomplishment", it takes away the "trophy" and the "competition factor" of sex

Being able to have sex is a symbol of power and superiority. You managed to convince another human being to share her body with you and have her spread her legs wide open. That’s power.

 

[Lv99_BixNood]

You are twisting the definition to create your own personal defintion that's convenient to you, volcel means its YOU that's doing the rejecting, whether these women would reject you or not is irrelevant BECAUSE IF THEY DIDN'T YOU WOULD REJECT THEM (that's what makes you volcel)

The funny thing is, when we clear the air and get guys like you to admit shit like this, its really begs the question, what the fuck is inceldom to you?

"I can't get a virgin bride so I'll reject all women with an X+ body count"?

How the fuck is that inceldom?, its you refusing to pick from whats available

At this point I have to ask if you even ever approached

So if you fuck hookers how are you an incel because you're for sure not celibate. I don't think you're one to talk here.

Also my "volceldom" is all theoretical. I've been rejected by all women I approached and get 0 matches in online dating. If I actually had the chance of dating a foid I might just accept even if I knew she's a whore. That's what loneliness does to you.

 

[Deleted member 21219]

You can beta buxx a currywhore right now. Then watch her as she twists her mouth in distaste at the idea of having sex with you. After that watch her make excuses like "headache", "not in the mood".

There is no true validation with foids. Almost all of them will cuck their husbands and boyfriends if a better option presents itself.

Iam not a chad, so i wont ever get to have validational sex. But iam not going to deny that it exists just because ive never had a taste of it.

Being able to have sex is a symbol of power and superiority. You managed to convince another human being to share her body with you and have her spread her legs wide open. That’s power.

Yes, its a great confidence and ego booster. Something none of us will experience.

 

[BlkPillPres]

So if you fuck hookers how are you an incel because you're for sure not celibate. I don't think you're one to talk here.

I've said many times before that once I'm wealthmaxxed and I can have consistent sex I have no problem dropping the incel label, I'll even be starting my own forum

BUT, here's the slippery slope of your argument here

If one can be incel or not based on them purposefully pursuing wealth and working hard to get rich to fuck women, then someone remaining a NEET by choice or refusing to pay for sex when they have money is volcel

You can't have it both ways

If me exerting effort and spending money determines I'm not incel because I gained access to sex that way

Then you or anyone else not doing the same makes you volcel

Last time I checked inceldom means you can't get sex "the regular way" via attraction (dating), but if you change the criteria and decide its determined by how one spends their resources or purposely gains resources to pay for sex, then the criteria for volceldom is also relative to that

Slippery slope...........

You managed to convince another human being to share her body with you and have her spread her legs wide open. That’s power.

Superiority and power aren't the same thing, actually you forcing a woman to have sex with you is power, her doing it willingly is the exact opposite of that, its mutual, and actually its weakness not power, because anything gained through consent can be lost via consent, meaning you don't actually have any control or power in the equation, you are forever at the mercy of your partner (hence why most marriages fail today, there was never supposed to be equality, the power dynamic is destroyed so there is no stability in marriage)

I'd much rather have a sex slave than a "loving" wife, I'm not even kidding, your "loving" wife can "fall out of love", your sex slave is your sex slave, Power is power, consent is not power, its weakness, its you being at the mercy of someone elses choices

 

[Deleted member 24081]

I've said many times before that once I'm wealthmaxxed and I can have consistent sex I have no problem dropping the incel label, I'll even be starting my own forum

BUT, here's the slippery slope of your argument here

If one can be incel or not based on them purposefully pursuing wealth and working hard to get rich to fuck women, then someone remaining a NEET by choice or refusing to pay for sex when they have money is volcel

You can't have it both ways

If me exerting effort and spending money determines I'm not incel because I gained access to sex that way

Then you or anyone else not doing the same makes you volcel

Last time I checked inceldom means you can't get sex "the regular way" via attraction (dating), but if you change the criteria and decide its determined by how one spends their resources or purposely gains resources to pay for sex, then the criteria for volceldom is also relative to that

Slippery slope...........



Superiority and power aren't the same thing, actually you forcing a woman to have sex with you is power, her doing it willingly is the exact opposite of that, its mutual, and actually its weakness not power, because anything gained through consent can be lost via consent, meaning you don't actually have any control or power in the equation, you are forever at the mercy of your partner (hence why most marriages fail today, there was never supposed to be equality, the power dynamic is destroyed so there is no stability in marriage)

I'd much rather have a sex slave than a "loving" wife, I'm not even kidding, your "loving" wife can "fall out of love", your sex slave is your sex slave, Power is power, consent is not power, its weakness, its you being at the mercy of someone elses choices

High IQ response.

 

[IncelKing]

High IQ.

Most anti-escortcels I've seen just want validation, but why would you want validation from an inferior creature anyway

THIS. incels on this forum will talk about women being the inferior sex in terms of intelligence, self-awareness, physical capabilities etc. while at the same time caring about what women think of them and valuing womens' evaluation of them through their pursuit of female validation.

You cant denounce women as a sex while giving importance to their judgement/perception of you, thats contradictory. Of course i'm not expecting the average user of the forum to comprehend something so simple

 

[BlkPillPres]

Most anti-escortcels I've seen just want validation, but why would you want validation from an inferior creature anyway

Exactly, its completely contradictory, something I've pointed out in a previous thread, these guys have confirmation bias and they have zero self awareness, I doubt they even think introspectively at all

[Hard To Swallow Edition] - It Is Contradictory To Value "Female Validation" Whilst Simultaneously Devaluing Females Themselves

This is something that needs to be addressed, I'm seeing a lot of blue pilled posts against paying for sex, and the most frustrating part isn't their refusal, its the blatant contradiction in their arguments and their mindset, that female validation means more to them than sex, while at the same...

incels.is

These guys don't realize that you can't go on and on in threads talking about "holes" and how women are stupid, they're whores, they're unfaithful, etc

Then in other threads you are talking about "wanting love" and valuing women's opinions of you

Its as contradictory of saying you have broken mirror, but you use it all the time because you trust its reflection

If women's character is that flawed, then their judgements of you are also relatively flawed

 

[happiless]

 

[BlkPillPres]

@Lv99_BixNood @CuckedRedditor @TheProphetMuscle

You cant denounce women as a sex while giving importance to their judgement/perception of you, thats contradictory.

 

[Caesercel]

Iam not a chad, so i wont ever get to have validational sex. But iam not going to deny that it exists just because ive never had a taste of it.


Yes, its a great confidence and ego booster. Something none of us will experience.

How can any sex with any foid be validating if we know for a fact that she will jump to the better cock if given the opportunity and option.

Lets say she is your girlfriend. She maybe attracted to you and may look up to you as a viable option to deal with her horniness. But the moment a better option arrives she will jump ship. How is that validating. She would have to be ugly enough that YOU are her best option. It is still transactional no matter how you twist it.

Imagine she is your wife and is stuck with you. How is it validating that she may one day cheat on you. Or she is repulsed by the idea of having sex with you. That she is jealous of her friend's husbands. Or, if she is ugly enough, gives in to her fate and make do with you.

If sex is so validating how are sex-havers filled with insecurities. We know that any sex, except top 5% male is repulsive to women.

 

[Deleted member 26140]

Anti Escorts are either teen moralfags or coping poorfags. JFL at them.

I'm both

 

[Lv99_BixNood]

I've said many times before that once I'm wealthmaxxed and I can have consistent sex I have no problem dropping the incel label, I'll even be starting my own forum

BUT, here's the slippery slope of your argument here

If one can be incel or not based on them purposefully pursuing wealth and working hard to get rich to fuck women, then someone remaining a NEET by choice or refusing to pay for sex when they have money is volcel

You can't have it both ways

If me exerting effort and spending money determines I'm not incel because I gained access to sex that way

Then you or anyone else not doing the same makes you volcel

Last time I checked inceldom means you can't get sex "the regular way" via attraction (dating), but if you change the criteria and decide its determined by how one spends their resources or purposely gains resources to pay for sex, then the criteria for volceldom is also relative to that

Slippery slope...........

I mean yeah as I said in another thread you're still incel if the only way you can get sex is by paying. But the same goes for volcels. If you're volcel but couldn't get unpaid sex even if you tried then you're incel. You're still subhuman because ultimately women decide who gets to fuck and who doesn't.

 

[Caesercel]

Being able to have sex is a symbol of power and superiority. You managed to convince another human being to share her body with you and have her spread her legs wide open. That’s power.

How is that any different from escorting.

 

[BlkPillPres]

How can any sex with any foid be validating if we know for a fact that she will jump to the better cock if given the opportunity and option.

Lets say she is your girlfriend. She maybe attracted to you and may look up to you as a viable option to deal with her horniness. But the moment a better option arrives she will jump ship. How is that validating. She would have to be ugly enough that YOU are her best option. It is still transactional no matter how you twist it.

Imagine she is your wife and is stuck with you. How is it validating that she may one day cheat on you. Or she is repulsed by the idea of having sex with you. That she is jealous of her friend's husbands. Or, if she is ugly enough, gives in to her fate and make do with you.

If sex is so validating how are sex-havers filled with insecurities. We know that any sex, except top 5% male is repulsive to women.

JFL this, you pointed something out I never really thought about, if the entire concept of validation is rooted in her attraction, then validation basically doesn't exist because women are fickle creatures and her attraction to you isn't even permanent, and like you also said, on another note if it is permanent its because you are the best she can get, so that's even less validating lol

Cucked or not. You are rewarding sluts a decent sum of money simply for having sex.

You say "simply having sex" as if gagging on a cock isn't difficult lol, having sex from the position of the "submissive" (the womans role) is a lot different than doing so from the position of the dominant (the males role)

I made a thread about this:

Thought Experiment For "Anti-Escortcels" Who Think Whores Are Simply "Being Paid To Do Be A Woman (Do Nothing/No Effort)" And Say "Sex Should Be Free"

First off sex has never and will never be free (check this thread out before or after reading this one, order doesn't matter, topics are specific so they can function independently)...

incels.is

You speaking about it as though its effortless is nothing but a strawman, maybe you aren't going where you get your moneys worth but I do, and the experiences and bad choices of other men doesn't reflect on an entire practice

I mean yeah as I said in another thread you're still incel if the only way you can get sex is by paying. But the same goes for volcels. If you're volcel but couldn't get unpaid sex even if you tried then you're incel. You're still subhuman because ultimately women decide who gets to fuck and who doesn't.

The problem with that argument is how do you know you couldn't get unpaid sex if you've rejected groups of women based on your volceldom

There are guys on this site who will say they've never approached specific races of ethnic women and they never will

"I don't do asians"

"I don't do blacks"

Etc

How the fuck do they know without a doubt that they didn't self sabotage by being so picky?

Are you getting my point, you can't pre-emptively decide that the women you dislike would dislike you and never approach them, and that's what a lot of volcels do, they didn't actually try, and on that note their inceldom is false for the most part, they aren't really incels

Show me volcel with a 2/10 face and genetic defects and I will agree he's an incel regardless, BUT THE AVERAGE VOLCEL IS AVERAGE LOOKING (and its usually white incels who refuse to approach ethnic women)

 

[Lv99_BixNood]

The problem with that argument is how do you know you couldn't get unpaid sex if you've rejected groups of women based on your volceldom

There are guys on this site who will say they've never approached specific races of ethnic women and they never will

I'm a ricecel and approached mostly landwhales irl because I thought they'd be more in my league, they all rejected/even laughed at me. I've never been in the position to reject anyone and I doubt I ever will be tbh.

 

[BlkPillPres]

I can imagine it being better, else the few chads i know would be paying for escorts

Why would you pay for sex if you can get it for free, that's not a matter of it being better, its a matter of common sense, you can save the money and still get sex

 

[Deleted member 18193]

Escorts are fine as long as they're not busted fat 30+ year olds and as long as you get your money's worth by paying for how you want them to act (e.g. not just wanting to get over it quickly).

 

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

Egoists don't want to have sex because its enjoyable, nope, that's not enough

They want to have sex because of what it implies ABOUT THEMSELVES

Lmao, You don’t have to care about yourself to be an egoist. Egoism is stripping away the needless arbitrary abstractions and value everywhere until only your own, which is the the basis for all these other abstractions and value remains.
Why did you write this comment over not writing it, when both options are equally valueless? Self interest. You mock incels chasing for validation from a moralistic pov which rooted in your self interest; "lmao you foolish inkwels chase women for sex and validation, while I just pay hookers to simulate it " You’re going to do what you want either way despite the fact nature doesn’t beckon you to do anything. Telling yourself you ought to not care about yourself makes you a moralist when it’s valueless if you want to or not, while at the same time, this morality is still rooted in your self interest. But of course, the egoist can also negate themselves because their value is also not inherent.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Lmao, You don’t have to care about yourself to be an egoist

I said caring about the PERCEPTION you have of yourself (don't quote one small portion and ignore the rest, seems a bit disingenuous)

Caring about yourself, and caring about how you percieve yourself are two different things, ironically if you guys did simply just care about yourself you'd pay for sex, but perception means more to you than actual pleasure, hence the curse of being an egoist, but lets not forget its a voluntary curse, a fools curse, you can stop anytime you want, you just have to decide

You mock incels chasing for validation from a moralistic pov which rooted in your self interest

Has nothing to do with morals, has to do with me thinking you're idiots, that you are illogical and emotional, that's my position, its not stance asserting moral superiority, its a stance of asserting being superior when it comes to logic

"lmao you foolish inkwels chase women for sex and validation, while I just pay hookers to simulate it "

No more like "You foolish inkwels chase women for validation, while I just pay women for sex"

Its really that simple, stop projecting your egotistical bullshit onto others, nobody is trying to simulate anything, also JFL at using "women" first and then "hookers" like they are separate creatures or something JFL, your bias is obvious, you went out of your way to strawman the position to fit your narrative, rather than simply stating what it is

 

[based_meme]

THIS. incels on this forum will talk about women being the inferior sex in terms of intelligence, self-awareness, physical capabilities etc. while at the same time caring about what women think of them and valuing womens' evaluation of them through their pursuit of female validation.

You cant denounce women as a sex while giving importance to their judgement/perception of you, thats contradictory. Of course i'm not expecting the average user of the forum to comprehend something so simple

This is a very good point. Though, you have to take into account that the need for validation is a subset of the general human need to belong, of which the need to feel loved and accepted are also a part. In the caveman days the feeling of needing to be belong meant you survived. It meant that the other males didn't kill or exile you, and in terms of male-female dynamics it meant women who validated men were effectively saying that they approve of the man's genetics to continue in the group/tribe.

The feeling (need for validation) isn't necessarily illogical at all (quite the opposite in fact), but in the modern world it appears to be superfluous. You don't need female validation, since there are other ways to fulfill that need and thrive in your "tribe" (country, city etc.).

 

[B.O.G.A.R.T.]

No more like "You foolish inkwels chase women for validation, while I just pay women for sex"


Its really that simple, stop projecting your egotistical bullshit onto others, nobody is trying to simulate anything, also JFL at using "women" first and then "hookers" like they are separate creatures or something JFL, your bias is obvious, you went out of your way to strawman the position to fit your narrative, rather than simply stating what it is

Cope.

You're paying a hooker to simulate validation.

You are arranging a financial transaction with a woman to agree/ give consent to sexual activity/ intercourse with you -- to give you the time of her day, or hour lmao, to signal you the green light so your sorry ass can access her pussy or whatever your little kink is, and maybe even whisper "daddy" in your ear as you cum.

 

[BlkPillPres]

You are arranging a financial transaction with a woman to agree/ give consent to sexual activity/ intercourse with you

 

[Deleted member 21227]

What isn't cucked under the vague pointless usage guys like you apply to the term, it has no meaning anymore, breathing air is cucked at this point

Can you even explain why its cucked?

I should've explained better. While I'm not a fan of giving whores money for access to their poon, at the end of the day, everyone pays for poon, one way or the other. What's really cucked imo is giving whores money without getting anything in return, and you're subject to this bullshit too, through taxes.