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"If you are gonna be angry at men, be angry at the Chads that FUCKED YOU OVER, not some tiny dicked ricecel with autism that will never experience love in their pathetic existence."
-@SlayerSlayer
I think feminism is deeply flawed as an ideology.

On the one hand, feminists promote more access to contraceptives, greater freedom for sexual minorities and the sexual liberation of women.

On the other, they oppress men who openly speak up about their sexuality and complain when men show pride about being straight.

Sometimes it just feels like these women can't make up their minds.

And yet they do get one thing right.


The Patriarchy

According to Britannica, the Patriarchy is when "one or more men (as in a council) exert absolute authority over the community as a whole."

I think this is an apt description for modern-day Western society.

The truth about Western civilization is that it is controlled, not by women, but instead by men in high positions of power.

Exhibit A? The Bohemian Club.

What's that, you ask?

Oh, it's just "a group of gentlemen who are really genuinely interested in arts, theater, jazz and rock 'n' roll".

These "gentlemen", of course, happen to be comprised of some of the most powerful people in the world; George Bush, Henry Kissinger, members of the Rockefeller and Koch family, Eric Schmidt, Nancy Pelosi's husband[1], Vaughn Walker[2], Chris Matthews and John McCain.

But you want to know the most interesting thing about the Bohemian Club?


It is men only.

That's right, a club of the world's most elite men, men who preach to us day and night about the perils of women and, ultimately, pass the laws that "uplift" them; they themselves do not let women make their decisions.

They are allowed to be male rights activists, we are not.

That, my friends, is the patriarchy.

These men, through their appeasement of feminist philosophy and their shunning of those who advocate for the rights of men and boys have created a society where being involuntary celibate is a common problem for many young men[3].

After all, wasn't it men who granted women the right the vote?


Women asked to be freed and the men, somewhat, granted their wish.

But what about the rest of us?

What of the man who craves open conversation about his sexual desires towards women?

He was punished via the passing of sexual harassment laws and the real world consequences that the #MeToo movement had on men far more powerful than he.

What about the man who abstained from marriage due to fear of commitment?

He was punished with divorce laws that made it extremely difficult for husbands to win in family courts.

And of the ugly man who's only offer to women was to provide for them via his job?

He was punished by being forced to compete with the opposite sex instead of being allowed to symbiotically exist alongside her.

The end result is sexual freedom for rich and powerful men and sexual misery for us commoners.

You see my friends, women are not so much our problem as the men in power who stifle us.


Footnotes
  1. I don't think she has much enmity towards snakes.
  2. A man who overturned same-sex marriage in California.
  3. Whether they admit it or not.
 
"If you are gonna be angry at men, be angry at the Chads that FUCKED YOU OVER, not some tiny dicked ricecel with autism that will never experience love in their pathetic existence."
-@SlayerSlayer
I think feminism is deeply flawed as an ideology.

On the one hand, feminists promote more access to contraceptives, greater freedom for sexual minorities and the sexual liberation of women.

On the other, they oppress men who openly speak up about their sexuality and complain when men show pride about being straight.

Sometimes it just feels like these women can't make up their minds.

And yet they do get one thing right.


The Patriarchy

According to Britannica, the Patriarchy is when "one or more men (as in a council) exert absolute authority over the community as a whole."

I think this is an apt description for modern-day Western society.

The truth about Western civilization is that it is controlled, not by women, but instead by men in high positions of power.

Exhibit A? The Bohemian Club.

What's that, you ask?

Oh, it's just "a group of gentlemen who are really genuinely interested in arts, theater, jazz and rock 'n' roll".

These "gentlemen", of course, happen to be comprised of some of the most powerful people in the world; George Bush, Henry Kissinger, members of the Rockefeller and Koch family, Eric Schmidt, Nancy Pelosi's husband[1], Vaughn Walker[2], Chris Matthews and John McCain.

But you want to know the most interesting thing about the Bohemian Club?


It is men only.

That's right, a club of the world's most elite men, men who preach to us day and night about the perils of women and, ultimately, pass the laws that "uplift" them; they themselves do not let women make their decisions.

They are allowed to be male rights activists, we are not.

That, my friends, is the patriarchy.

These men, through their appeasement of feminist philosophy and their shunning of those who advocate for the rights of men and boys have created a society where being involuntary celibate is a common problem for many young men[3].

After all, wasn't it men who granted women the right the vote?


Women asked to be freed and the men, somewhat, granted their wish.

But what about the rest of us?

What of the man who craves open conversation about his sexual desires towards women?

He was punished via the passing of sexual harassment laws and the real world consequences that the #MeToo movement had on men far more powerful than he.

What about the man who abstained from marriage due to fear of commitment?

He was punished with divorce laws that made it extremely difficult for husbands to win in family courts.

And of the ugly man who's only offer to women was to provide for them via his job?

He was punished by being forced to compete with the opposite sex instead of being allowed to symbiotically exist alongside her.

The end result is sexual freedom for rich and powerful men and sexual misery for us commoners.

You see my friends, women are not so much our problem as the men in power who stifle us.


Footnotes
  1. I don't think she has much enmity towards snakes.
  2. A man who overturned same-sex marriage in California.
  3. Whether they admit it or not.
Hating Chad is hypocrisy because literally none of us would share our huge fictional harems.

It's just women that are whores and only think with their holes that get themselves into those harems lol
 
women are the ones that select the patriarchy as man with a woman mogs a man without and women instill low tier men fighting each other to have a crumb of respect. The patriarchy is bullshit as woman can immediately gain the same level of respect for doing the minimum as men follow them blindly.
 
OK, let's assume that you are right for a moment. If "patriarchy" really is the problem, then what would the solution to this problem be? Because somehow i highly doubt things would be much different with a matriarchy instead of a patriarchy
 
OK, let's assume that you are right for a moment. If "patriarchy" really is the problem, then what would the solution to this problem be? Because somehow i highly doubt things would be much different with a matriarchy instead of a patriarchy
That's a good point and I'm not sure.

It's certainly something to think about going forward.
 
women are the ones that select the patriarchy as man with a woman mogs a man without and women instill low tier men fighting each other to have a crumb of respect. The patriarchy is bullshit as woman can immediately gain the same level of respect for doing the minimum as men follow them blindly.
Perhaps the bible can answer your comment better than I can:

Genesis 3:16

To the woman he said:

I will intensify your toil in childbearing;

in pain you shall bring forth children.

Yet your urge shall be for your husband,

and he shall rule over you.
 
Yes, this is a point that has seldom been brought up around here. It's true that women only have power because men in power gave it to them. Most users here think women are to blame for society's problems when the reality is that they've been enabled and allowed to act the way they do.

The current destruction of society that's been wrought by them was only made possible because they were given the freedom and the permission to enact their nature without negative consequences. In today's West a woman can be true to her basal self, fulfilling every primal drive and desire selfishly as she pleases. Women are encouraged to be promiscuous and cheat on their resource males (husbands) with genetically top tier men to their vagina's content.

Men, on the other hand, are severely punished by society for exercising their primal natures. We can't even have multiple wives and girlfriends without being shamed and punished for it, both legally (in the case of wives) and socially for it

That's a good point and I'm not sure.

It's certainly something to think about going forward.
The solution is a male power struggle to reinstate the old ways.
 
Speaking of patriarchy and feminism, i'm excited to see how it will end for Iran. Will they give in and give the women the rights they demand or will they be strong and maintain the strict patriarchy ?
 
Men, on the other hand, are severely punished by society for exercising their primal natures. We can't even have multiple wives and girlfriends without being shamed and punished for it, both legally (in the case of wives) and socially for it
Amen brother.
 
B. Masculinities and Feminist Theories
To understand what prompts misogyny in a world where many women are advancing, we must also consider masculinities theory. Masculinities theory explains that society places pressures on boys and men to live up to our idea of what a man is and how a man should act. In essence, masculinities theory points out the often invisible (or at least normalized) behaviors of men and boys who have grown up in a patriarchy and how the patriarchy has affected them, given their position in the hierarchy of men.

theory emerged in the 1970's as a response to feminist theory. Masculinities theorists considered themselves feminists, but they also believed that early feminist explanations did not recognize how the gender order also harms (at least some) men and that men, depending on their multiple identities, are differently positioned vis-a-vis one another.

In essence, masculinities theorists explained that men as a group have superior power in a patriarchy but that individual men often feel powerless because of their locations within the hierarchy of men.'

Because there is an ideal of how a man should express or perform his masculinity, those who do not comport with the expected behaviors and appearances are often rejected or even bullied.
Men compete among themselves to prove their masculinity to each other, and in that competitive battle, often women and girls are the pawns.

For example, "real men" are expected to be heterosexual and to have successful sexual lives with the most high-value (best-looking) women and girls; men often engage in these sexual behaviors more to impress other men and to attain status among men than to enjoy the behaviors themselves.

Describing young men of approximately Rodger's and Long's age ("guys"), sociologist Michael Kimmel states, "Hooking up is a way that guys communicate with other guys-it's about homosociality. It's a way that guys compete with each other, establish a pecking order of cool studliness, and attempt to move up in their rankings."' It is not primarily about sexual pleasure.

Christopher Vito and his co-authors further explain the importance of sexual relationships to proving one's heterosexuality and masculinity:

Heterosexuality is another fundamental ideal of hegemonic masculinity. Scholars largely agree that the presumed entitlement to women as sexual objects is a key ingredient of hegemonic masculinity. As heterosexual sex is associated with the 'achievement of compelling gendered [. . .] identity,' having sex with women ushers men into 'manhood.' Failure to have heterosexual sex signals not only sexual incompetency or virginity, but also raises suspicion of homosexuality.

Publicizing one's sexual activity with women, especially in male-dominated spaces, functions to claim one's heterosexual orientation, but perhaps more importantly, establishes and enhances one's masculine status among other men. That is, one's position in the social hierarchy hinges on his success with women where the sexual marketplace confers higher status to men who have frequent heterosexual sex, rendering women as sexual objects to validate men's sense of manhood. These ritualized performances of sexual objectification serve to socially ostracize men unable to meet this expectation of masculinity.

Like feminist theorists, masculinities theorists see gender as a social construction. To masculinities theorists, gender is not a biological reality that governs human behavior but rather a social response to what biology renders. For example, society dictates that women and girls, who are presumed to have a set of biologically determined physical traits, do and should act a particular way. Men and boys, who are presumed to have a set of biologically determined physical traits, do and should act in a particular way.Thus, society creates expectations of certain bodies that are both descriptive and prescriptive.

Masculinities theory explains that these expectations are not founded in biology but rather in society and that gender itself is an identity performance. Unfortunately, when individuals' identity performances do not conform with societal expectations, they are often considered outcasts. Enter the incels and other groups on the manosphere who find it difficult to compete with other men in the male hierarchy.

Masculinities theorists explain that there are many different ways of performing masculinity, but there continues to remain one performance of masculinity that tends to dominate in prestige and power in the United States. This masculinity is known as hegemonic masculinity. "Hegemonic masculinity constitutes the singular vision of masculinity that symbolizes authority over other forms of masculinity (i.e. marginalized and subordinated masculinities) as well as a collective privilege over women."

In the United States, hegemonic masculinity describes generally an upper-middle-class white, straight, professional man who is relatively young or middle-aged. For those men who do not fit within this identity or are unable to do so, there are multiple other identities, including subordinated and marginalized masculinities, some of which are expressed in a more aggressive, exaggerated, hostile manner and others that may disregard the traditional performances of masculinities.

Social psychologist Alyssa Glace and her co-authors explain that hegemonic masculinities ordinarily include many traits that dominant men do or should possess-aggressiveness, violence and competitiveness-and that hegemonic masculinities reproduce white hegemony. Sociologists Tristan Bridges and C.J. Pascoe observe what they call "hybrid masculinities," a type of performance that condemns hegemonic masculinity but at the same time appropriates behaviors associated with white hegemonic masculinity. According to Glace, men who perform hybrid masculinities engage in three behaviors: discursive distancing, strategic borrowing, and fortifying boundaries. Glace found all three behaviors prevalent in incel online forums.

Discursive distancing occurs when incels describe themselves as not conforming with the hegemonic ideal. In an empirical study of incel posts, Glace found that incels frequently engage in discursive distancing by describing themselves as in opposition to the Chads, noting that the incels are short or ugly or have small genitalia.

Strategic borrowing occurs when incels use the language of victimization to apply to their own situation. Incels claim their own victimhood throughout their posts using the language of the left. Glace found, for example, that incels in her sample used social justice language to call for violence and the reinstatement of patriarchal power.

Fortifying boundaries occurs when men strengthen hegemonic masculinity. Incels, even though they admit that they do not meet the rigors of hegemonic masculinity, police the boundaries of hegemonic masculinity by ridiculing other men (non-incels) for being feminine or not sufficiently masculine. For example, Glace found that incels label other men who are not stereotypically masculine as "soyboys," a pejorative term that describes feminine men who are considered to be "politically correct." They also label men who are either cheated on by women or whom women control as "cucks," a derogatory term.
In fact, "hybrid masculinities" appear to be a strategic response of incels to reinforce hegemonic masculinity. Referring to online chats of incels, Gender and Communications expert Debbie Ging states:

Their extreme expressions of misogyny and racism and frequent engagement in hacking and doxing are clearly indicative of a desire to establish male hegemony in the online spaces they inhabit, even if they may lack such claims to power in off-line contexts. It seems more accurate, therefore, to describe them as hybrid masculinities whose self-positioning as victims of feminists and political correctness enables themselves to strategically distance themselves from hegemonic masculinity, while simultaneously compounding existing hierarchies of power and inequality online.

The online community of incels illustrates much of what masculinities scholars predict: incels consider themselves to be low-value men, not "real men" because they do not have access to sexual relationships with women, much less with the most high-value women. The response to this situation for some is to feel sad and to resort to online conversations to ameliorate those feelings of inadequacy and sadness, but, increasingly, incel forums host posts of men with marginalized masculinities who respond with anger and a vow to retaliate. While only a few of the up to 100,000 men who participate on the incel forums commit violent crimes as a result, the forums are replete with hatred and anger. Elliot Rodger and Alek Minaissian are lionized as having the courage to retaliate for their grievances. Given this focus, especially on Rodger as a hero, it is important to consider Rodger's manifesto closely.

The ideas expressed by incels online and in Rodger's manifesto demonstrate that men seek out women to prove their worth to other men and move up in the hierarchy of men. Throughout his manifesto, while Rodger speaks of his loneliness and sexual frustration, he emphasizes his shame at how others perceive him as a loser because women are not attracted to him. He assumes that others are judging him as unworthy because of his failure to attract women, and he blames women for this failure.

Throughout the manifesto, Rodger argues that a sexual relationship with a beautiful, sexy, blonde woman is his right that has been denied wrongfully by women. In essence, in Rodger's thinking, women's purpose is to gratify not only men's sexual needs, but also their social needs to acquire status among the hierarchy of men. So, from Rodger's perspective, women have no independent purpose; their existence is to support and gratify men. Rodger's need to "show the world my true worth" is a demonstration of his power and masculinity through violence, destruction of others, and suicide.

Rodger's view, like those expressed by others on incel forums, is totally self-oriented (some might say, "narcissistic") and seems not to consider that a relationship between two persons should be an equal give and take. His inability to empathize with others and his focus on money and status, as symbols of individuals' superiority and the prevalence of the idea that he deserves money and status that he has not worked for demonstrate a concentration on self and a failure to focus on the needs of others. Examples of these tendencies in the manifesto include:

  • His belief that his mother should marry a rich man so that Rodger can live in a rich family and his conclusions that his mother is selfish for not doing so;​
  • His failure to hold a job throughout his life even when he is not in school;​
  • His frequent dropping out of courses in which he is enrolled because he cannot tolerate the repartee between Chads and Stacys in his classes;​
  • His sense that when couples are near him they are intentionally ruining his enjoyment of life;​
  • His belief that women would be attracted to him if he were rich;​
  • His spending of significant amounts of money to purchase lottery tickets so that he can become rich and attract women; his faith that he will win the lottery if he purchases tickets;​
  • His view that even though his parents are having financial difficulties they owe him trips (first class) and cars and a lifestyle that is upper middleclass;​
  • His embarrassment at living in a poor neighborhood with his mother;​
  • His belief that he is superior to other men because they drive cars that are inferior to his BMW.​
Rodger's manifesto also demonstrates classist and racist tendencies in his judgment of others, valuing white men (and white, blonde women) over those of other races. As we shall see below when we discuss intersectionality, race, class, and gender are traveling companions.

They mutually construct the individual's performance within a social context at a particular time.

Although Rodger himself was half-white and half-Asian, he commented with disapproval on his Latino, "low class" roommates, a blonde girl dating a Mexican guy that was an insult to his dignity, and an "ugly" Black boy named Chance who had lost his virginity at age thirteen. Rodger believed that Chance was inferior to Rodger because Rodger was descended from the British Aristocracy while Chance was a descendent of enslaved peoples. He also mocked an Indonesian boy, the son of a friend's housemaid who had relationships with girls, saying that he was an "insolent little worm."
 
Its man who Love / Like Woman to much.
 
"If you are gonna be angry at men, be angry at the Chads that FUCKED YOU OVER, not some tiny dicked ricecel with autism that will never experience love in their pathetic existence."
-@SlayerSlayer
I think feminism is deeply flawed as an ideology.

On the one hand, feminists promote more access to contraceptives, greater freedom for sexual minorities and the sexual liberation of women.

On the other, they oppress men who openly speak up about their sexuality and complain when men show pride about being straight.

Sometimes it just feels like these women can't make up their minds.

And yet they do get one thing right.


The Patriarchy

According to Britannica, the Patriarchy is when "one or more men (as in a council) exert absolute authority over the community as a whole."

I think this is an apt description for modern-day Western society.

The truth about Western civilization is that it is controlled, not by women, but instead by men in high positions of power.

Exhibit A? The Bohemian Club.

What's that, you ask?

Oh, it's just "a group of gentlemen who are really genuinely interested in arts, theater, jazz and rock 'n' roll".

These "gentlemen", of course, happen to be comprised of some of the most powerful people in the world; George Bush, Henry Kissinger, members of the Rockefeller and Koch family, Eric Schmidt, Nancy Pelosi's husband[1], Vaughn Walker[2], Chris Matthews and John McCain.

But you want to know the most interesting thing about the Bohemian Club?


It is men only.

That's right, a club of the world's most elite men, men who preach to us day and night about the perils of women and, ultimately, pass the laws that "uplift" them; they themselves do not let women make their decisions.

They are allowed to be male rights activists, we are not.

That, my friends, is the patriarchy.

These men, through their appeasement of feminist philosophy and their shunning of those who advocate for the rights of men and boys have created a society where being involuntary celibate is a common problem for many young men[3].

After all, wasn't it men who granted women the right the vote?


Women asked to be freed and the men, somewhat, granted their wish.

But what about the rest of us?

What of the man who craves open conversation about his sexual desires towards women?

He was punished via the passing of sexual harassment laws and the real world consequences that the #MeToo movement had on men far more powerful than he.

What about the man who abstained from marriage due to fear of commitment?

He was punished with divorce laws that made it extremely difficult for husbands to win in family courts.

And of the ugly man who's only offer to women was to provide for them via his job?

He was punished by being forced to compete with the opposite sex instead of being allowed to symbiotically exist alongside her.

The end result is sexual freedom for rich and powerful men and sexual misery for us commoners.

You see my friends, women are not so much our problem as the men in power who stifle us.


Footnotes
  1. I don't think she has much enmity towards snakes.
  2. A man who overturned same-sex marriage in California.
  3. Whether they admit it or not.
Giga based. However you forgot the ultra elite, the Rothschilds.

Feminism was created by this small group of elites so that they'd earn more taxes if women started working. Essentially we should be actually blaming these guys
 
There is no patriarchy, it's an (((oligarchy))).
 
women are the ones that select the patriarchy as man with a woman mogs a man without and women instill low tier men fighting each other to have a crumb of respect. The patriarchy is bullshit as woman can immediately gain the same level of respect for doing the minimum as men follow them blindly.
Explain this to retards please
 
Giga based. However you forgot the ultra elite, the Rothschilds.

Feminism was created by this small group of elites so that they'd earn more taxes if women started working. Essentially we should be actually blaming these guys
Giga tard. Women select for patriarchic men
 
I wholeheartedly agree but I still get why many incels would still remain pro-patriarchy. However if both current patriarchy and feminism/matriarchy fail as systems, what else would you ideally propose? IMHO an anarcho-communist society might be ideal where every male in the commune gets a vote on social issues, or if I'm feeling bitter an authoritarian communist system where the gov distributes women on the proletariat would be good enough, but then again this'd backfire into the abhorred patriarchy you discussed.
 
Patriarchy does not exist. When you say that we "are controlled not by women, but by men who are in power", you are ignoring a lot of other socio-political facts. The fact that most politicians/leaders are men does not mean that we are ruled by men in the entirety of our lives. You are ignoring things like women quotas and how it is much easier to find a better job and hence have a more fulfilling life when you are a woman thanks to discriminating practices such as gender quotas which is almost always in favor of women.

Then there are other factors such as how a man has to find a purpose in life, or he is done for. But if you are a woman and have no purpose or even if you are an absolute useless of a bimbo, someone will eventually want to marry you and will set you for life. It is women who has easier lives than men. So long as this is not addressed, the problems will never be solved.

I suggest you stop reading woke encyclopedias like Brittanica and start focusing on the lives of everyday people, instead of those 1% of men who are in power.
 
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OK, let's assume that you are right for a moment. If "patriarchy" really is the problem, then what would the solution to this problem be? Because somehow i highly doubt things would be much different with a matriarchy instead of a patriarchy
I think men hold powers when it comes to actual values that are beyond social such as money, knowledge, effort, and competitive nature that women will never be able to beat this why as a man you need to outcompete your peers for social standing if you are attractive man you already started the race at the finish line.
 
Giga based. However you forgot the ultra elite, the Rothschilds.

Feminism was created by this small group of elites so that they'd earn more taxes if women started working. Essentially we should be actually blaming these guys
Interesting, the Rothschilds are definitely a powerful family that has been in control historically but I did not know their role in feminism.
 
Masculinities theory explains that society places pressures on boys and men to live up to our idea of what a man is and how a man should act. In essence, masculinities theory points out the often invisible (or at least normalized) behaviors of men and boys who have grown up in a patriarchy and how the patriarchy has affected them, given their position in the hierarchy of men.​

theory emerged in the 1970's as a response to feminist theory. Masculinities theorists considered themselves feminists, but they also believed that early feminist explanations did not recognize how the gender order also harms (at least some) men and that men, depending on their multiple identities, are differently positioned vis-a-vis one another.
Excellent point.
In essence, masculinities theorists explained that men as a group have superior power in a patriarchy but that individual men often feel powerless because of their locations within the hierarchy of men.'
Once again, apt.

Masculinities theory explains that these expectations are not founded in biology but rather in society and that gender itself is an identity performance. Unfortunately, when individuals' identity performances do not conform with societal expectations, they are often considered outcasts. Enter the incels and other groups on the manosphere who find it difficult to compete with other men in the male hierarchy.
It is this point in which my opinion differs.

While I definitely believe there are problems with societies definition of masculinity and masculine standards for men, it is also of my belief that men should never feel ashamed for being men and for being straight; in fact, men should have pride in these things.
Fortifying boundaries occurs when men strengthen hegemonic masculinity. Incels, even though they admit that they do not meet the rigors of hegemonic masculinity, police the boundaries of hegemonic masculinity by ridiculing other men (non-incels) for being feminine or not sufficiently masculine. For example, Glace found that incels label other men who are not stereotypically masculine as "soyboys," a pejorative term that describes feminine men who are considered to be "politically correct." They also label men who are either cheated on by women or whom women control as "cucks," a derogatory term.
In fact, "hybrid masculinities" appear to be a strategic response of incels to reinforce hegemonic masculinity. Referring to online chats of incels, Gender and Communications expert Debbie Ging states:
I think this is also a really good point.

It's important to remember that, for a lot of us, we would have had it far worse if we were involuntary celibates in an even more patriarchal society without the inclusion of the internet.

That's why it seems to me the public would be far more sympathetic to the incel if he was lumped in with tother sexual and gender justice causes such as the LGBTQ community instead of with Republican Conservatives.

While only a few of the up to 100,000 men who participate on the incel forums commit violent crimes as a result, the forums are replete with hatred and anger.​
BTW, we're down to only about 20,000 now. That's a drop of 80%.

Rodger's view, like those expressed by others on incel forums, is totally self-oriented (some might say, "narcissistic") and seems not to consider that a relationship between two persons should be an equal give and take. His inability to empathize with others and his focus on money and status, as symbols of individuals' superiority and the prevalence of the idea that he deserves money and status that he has not worked for demonstrate a concentration on self and a failure to focus on the needs of others. Examples of these tendencies in the manifesto include:
Not going to speak on Elliot yet (that deserves a separate, detailed post) but this is an apt point as well.

A relationship has to be give and take.

Of course, the wider community immediately criticizes us when we complain about our issues but do not relate to any of theirs.
 
IMHO an anarcho-communist society might be ideal where every male in the commune gets a vote on social issues, or if I'm feeling bitter an authoritarian communist system where the gov distributes women on the proletariat would be good enough, but then again this'd backfire into the abhorred patriarchy you discussed.
A replacement system is something we absolutely should discuss in the future; the honest answer is I haven't yet contemplated one enough.

I agree with you though, it would have to be some sort of communal society where we work together as equals in small "tribes" rather than this massive hierarchal ladder we have in place now.
 
You are ignoring things like women quotas and how it is much easier to find a better job and hence have a more fulfilling life when you are a woman thanks to discriminating practices such as gender quotas which is almost always in favor of women.
You are absolutely right.

Just because the patriarchy exists does not mean that women are oppressed like this is the handmaid's tale.

There are absolutely laws in place right now that discriminate against men while promoting women (affirmative action being a great example).

But, ultimately, the people in the highest positions of power are still men and it is these men who are signing laws that oppress us.
 
when i first got into incels, i used to think that it was mostly exclusively men that were controlled by women, not vice versa but boy am i wrong


women are controlled by men too, it still happens.

but yea fuck there needs to be some re education because i think incels generally think that the world operates under all men being pussy whipped by their queen bees (women) in order to keep society functioning.


nope though that's too much of a generalization. women are still controlled by men, and vice versa men are controlled by women (of course), women are controlled by women, men by women, sometimes both most likely. dunno though ppl are just controlled by ppl.

but ya it all draws back to the issue of our incelibacy, and it's obviously not women's fault to blame.
 
nope though that's too much of a generalization. women are still controlled by men, and vice versa men are controlled by women (of course), women are controlled by women, men by women, sometimes both most likely. dunno though ppl are just controlled by ppl.

but ya it all draws back to the issue of our incelibacy, and it's obviously not women's fault to blame.
Agreed.
 
Feminist meme. Patriarchy dosen’t exist
 
And the gender of these oligarchs?
Doesn't matter, patriarchy implies all men are ruling over all women. In reality a few men are at the top, then come all women and then come all other men at the very bottom. It's not a patriarchy by any means.
 
In reality a few men are at the top, then come all women and then come all other men at the very bottom. It's not a patriarchy by any means.
I disagree, I think that is exactly the patriarchy, but that's just my opinion.
 
Yes, this is a point that has seldom been brought up around here. It's true that women only have power because men in power gave it to them. Most users here think women are to blame for society's problems when the reality is that they've been enabled and allowed to act the way they do.
Indeed. And because the masses have been hoodwinked into thinking this is the way it should be.
OK, let's assume that you are right for a moment. If "patriarchy" really is the problem, then what would the solution to this problem be? Because somehow i highly doubt things would be much different with a matriarchy instead of a patriarchy
Agreed. I don't think there really is a solution.
 
patriarchy
ashkenazi jews
 
"If you are gonna be angry at men, be angry at the Chads that FUCKED YOU OVER, not some tiny dicked ricecel with autism that will never experience love in their pathetic existence."
-@SlayerSlayer
I think feminism is deeply flawed as an ideology.

On the one hand, feminists promote more access to contraceptives, greater freedom for sexual minorities and the sexual liberation of women.

On the other, they oppress men who openly speak up about their sexuality and complain when men show pride about being straight.

Sometimes it just feels like these women can't make up their minds.

And yet they do get one thing right.


The Patriarchy

According to Britannica, the Patriarchy is when "one or more men (as in a council) exert absolute authority over the community as a whole."

I think this is an apt description for modern-day Western society.

The truth about Western civilization is that it is controlled, not by women, but instead by men in high positions of power.

Exhibit A? The Bohemian Club.

What's that, you ask?

Oh, it's just "a group of gentlemen who are really genuinely interested in arts, theater, jazz and rock 'n' roll".

These "gentlemen", of course, happen to be comprised of some of the most powerful people in the world; George Bush, Henry Kissinger, members of the Rockefeller and Koch family, Eric Schmidt, Nancy Pelosi's husband[1], Vaughn Walker[2], Chris Matthews and John McCain.

But you want to know the most interesting thing about the Bohemian Club?


It is men only.

That's right, a club of the world's most elite men, men who preach to us day and night about the perils of women and, ultimately, pass the laws that "uplift" them; they themselves do not let women make their decisions.

They are allowed to be male rights activists, we are not.

That, my friends, is the patriarchy.

These men, through their appeasement of feminist philosophy and their shunning of those who advocate for the rights of men and boys have created a society where being involuntary celibate is a common problem for many young men[3].

After all, wasn't it men who granted women the right the vote?


Women asked to be freed and the men, somewhat, granted their wish.

But what about the rest of us?

What of the man who craves open conversation about his sexual desires towards women?

He was punished via the passing of sexual harassment laws and the real world consequences that the #MeToo movement had on men far more powerful than he.

What about the man who abstained from marriage due to fear of commitment?

He was punished with divorce laws that made it extremely difficult for husbands to win in family courts.

And of the ugly man who's only offer to women was to provide for them via his job?

He was punished by being forced to compete with the opposite sex instead of being allowed to symbiotically exist alongside her.

The end result is sexual freedom for rich and powerful men and sexual misery for us commoners.

You see my friends, women are not so much our problem as the men in power who stifle us.


Footnotes
  1. I don't think she has much enmity towards snakes.
  2. A man who overturned same-sex marriage in California.
  3. Whether they admit it or not.
Most patriarchs are capitalists
 
You missed the part that definition of patriarchy includes "male privileges" that obviously don't exist. Also there are (and were in the past) countries ruled by foids and all male issues there including inceldom are exactly the same.
 
"If you are gonna be angry at men, be angry at the Chads that FUCKED YOU OVER, not some tiny dicked ricecel with autism that will never experience love in their pathetic existence."
-@SlayerSlayer
I think feminism is deeply flawed as an ideology.

On the one hand, feminists promote more access to contraceptives, greater freedom for sexual minorities and the sexual liberation of women.

On the other, they oppress men who openly speak up about their sexuality and complain when men show pride about being straight.

Sometimes it just feels like these women can't make up their minds.

And yet they do get one thing right.


The Patriarchy

According to Britannica, the Patriarchy is when "one or more men (as in a council) exert absolute authority over the community as a whole."

I think this is an apt description for modern-day Western society.

The truth about Western civilization is that it is controlled, not by women, but instead by men in high positions of power.

Exhibit A? The Bohemian Club.

What's that, you ask?

Oh, it's just "a group of gentlemen who are really genuinely interested in arts, theater, jazz and rock 'n' roll".

These "gentlemen", of course, happen to be comprised of some of the most powerful people in the world; George Bush, Henry Kissinger, members of the Rockefeller and Koch family, Eric Schmidt, Nancy Pelosi's husband[1], Vaughn Walker[2], Chris Matthews and John McCain.

But you want to know the most interesting thing about the Bohemian Club?


It is men only.

That's right, a club of the world's most elite men, men who preach to us day and night about the perils of women and, ultimately, pass the laws that "uplift" them; they themselves do not let women make their decisions.

They are allowed to be male rights activists, we are not.

That, my friends, is the patriarchy.

These men, through their appeasement of feminist philosophy and their shunning of those who advocate for the rights of men and boys have created a society where being involuntary celibate is a common problem for many young men[3].

After all, wasn't it men who granted women the right the vote?


Women asked to be freed and the men, somewhat, granted their wish.

But what about the rest of us?

What of the man who craves open conversation about his sexual desires towards women?

He was punished via the passing of sexual harassment laws and the real world consequences that the #MeToo movement had on men far more powerful than he.

What about the man who abstained from marriage due to fear of commitment?

He was punished with divorce laws that made it extremely difficult for husbands to win in family courts.

And of the ugly man who's only offer to women was to provide for them via his job?

He was punished by being forced to compete with the opposite sex instead of being allowed to symbiotically exist alongside her.

The end result is sexual freedom for rich and powerful men and sexual misery for us commoners.

You see my friends, women are not so much our problem as the men in power who stifle us.


Footnotes
  1. I don't think she has much enmity towards snakes.
  2. A man who overturned same-sex marriage in California.
  3. Whether they admit it or not.
you could of cut out all that text of philisophising and just said its the Ashkenazi jews fcuking men over as usual. But yeah good points.
 
when i first got into incels
JFL what. How does one "get into incels"? You either are, or you aren't an incel. This sort of thing sounds like something a non-incel would say.
 
JFL what. How does one "get into incels"? You either are, or you aren't an incel. This sort of thing sounds like something a non-incel would say.
I am an incel. It’s hard to explain though. I’m a huge coper so i was an incel in denial for periods of my life
 

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