Theory The Only Reason USA Hasn’t Collapsed

[LesscoBlob]

It is

No it isn't.

 

[copefrancis]

No it isn't.

Yes it is. Renewables only make up 15.7% of energy production. Those 66 countries that use  mostly (not fully) renewable energy I'm going to guess aren't fully self sufficient economies either.

 

[LesscoBlob]

Yes it is. Renewables only make up 15.7% of energy production. Those 66 countries that use  mostly (not fully) renewable energy I'm going to guess aren't fully self sufficient economies either.

Over 22% of the US's energy comes from renewables and in the EU it's 22% and it's planned to be 32% by 2030.

Share of energy consumption from renewable sources in Europe

In 2024, renewables accounted for 25.2% of final energy consumption in the European Union, around one percentage point more than in 2023. The increase was mainly driven by solar and wind power, followed by heat pumps, supporting greater energy independence. The share of renewables is expected to...

www.eea.europa.eu

I would say that Norway (71% renewables) is quite a self sufficient economy.

 

[copefrancis]

Over 22% of the US's energy comes from renewables and in the EU it's 22% and it's planned to be 32% by 2030.

Share of energy consumption from renewable sources in Europe

In 2024, renewables accounted for 25.2% of final energy consumption in the European Union, around one percentage point more than in 2023. The increase was mainly driven by solar and wind power, followed by heat pumps, supporting greater energy independence. The share of renewables is expected to...

www.eea.europa.eu

I would say that Norway (71% renewables) is quite a self sufficient economy.

Ok so while US is snailing to to a measly 1/3 renewable, what will happen to it's energy abundance if oil becomes scarce?

I don't mean self sufficient energy, self sufficient *economy*. What could happen to Norway's economy if for instance China and US' energy supply becomes too scarce to export goods? They may be better off than most but they won't get past unscathed.

 

[LesscoBlob]

Ok so while US is snailing to to a measly 1/3 renewable, what will happen to it's energy abundance if oil becomes scarce?

I don't mean self sufficient energy, self sufficient *economy*. What could happen to Norway's economy if for instance China and US' energy supply becomes too scarce to export goods? They may be better off than most but they won't get past unscathed.

By this logic, no economy is self sufficient, including the countries using oil.

 

[copefrancis]

By this logic, no economy is self sufficient, including the countries using oil.

They aren't. It's a global economy.

 

[LesscoBlob]

They aren't. It's a global economy.

Yes, which means that all countries will benefit from changing to renewables.

 

[copefrancis]

Yes, which means that all countries will benefit from changing to renewables.

Yes in the sense goodbye globalism hello localism, and the society that emerges afterward having to use less electricity, which would be good for them whether they know it or not. Imagine no more smart phones, that can only be a good thing.