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Discussion The Macro Economy and the State of the Future

BenBerger

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Here are my speculations about what would happen during the next decades in the dynamics between governments and corporations.

My proposition is that governments and big corporations will partly merge into a single entity - The Establishment. This process of merging of government and big business has already begun during the 80s. So first I will briefly explain what has happened in the past - as explained in Step 1 and Step 2, and then what might happen in the future - that potential change in the macro-dynamics that will lead to merging and the creation of an all-encompassing establishment.

Breif summary in bullets:
  • Governments will decrease in size but increase in power, and a part of government functions will be given to corporations that will increase both in size and in power.
  • The increase in the power of governments and corporations will come at the expense of the peoples' power.
  • Central Banks will be the key players in the merging of governments and big business.
  • International Organizations (IMF, BIS, UN, etc.) will erase the borders of nation-states for big corporations and pave the way for even more globalization and subsequent abolishment of states.
So let's start with some history....

Step 1: Unification and out-sourcing of power
The European Union is the model of future super-states: The national government is outsourced to the super-state. The borders that controlled the movement of people, goods, and capital are erased and a single currency is introduced. An important institution called the Central Bank is effectively abolished and its mandates are given to the new Central Bank of the union.

This is the model of the future. Small entities are united into bigger entities and the power of their institutions is given to unelected institutions with little to no accountability to the people.

Step 2: Liberaliztion, Privatization and Monopolizaton.
In addition to the unification and elimination of borders, another process was started in the 80's: the privatization of government services such as the supply of water, electricity, infrastructure, schooling, health, etc... The initial intention was good – to spur competition that was supposed to drive the prices down. But most of these services were purchased by international corporations that were able to monopolize the markets thus keeping the prices high. The result of privatization was monopolization which benefited big corporations. The result was that each market was dominated by one or a handful of big firms.

That was the history and now the future...

The Role of Central Bank and New Monetary Policy
Most developed economies in the world reached the zero bound of interest rates. There are various reasons for that, that we will not discuss, but the main implication is that the central banks are “out of ammo” to further stimulate the economy. What is left is fiscal policy – government purchasing of goods and services. Where would the government buy goods and services? At the markets from the big monopolistic corporations that are helped to grow.

Where would the government take money to finance its own expanses? The problem is that most countries have institutional arrangements that prevent the government from financing their own debt since it causes inflation. But this arrangement will be eliminated and there are many reasons to eliminate this arrangment: the quantitative easing (QE) program injected trillions of dollars into the US economy and inflation did not rise, the proponents of Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) and other unorthodox economists and politicians (Berne Sanders) are advocating that for decades and most importantly the big corporation would want it to happen. So it is not a matter of left and right it is a matter of might – the restriction will be eliminated since it is the only way to stimulate the economy.

What would be the effect? Watch closely!
An implementation of a policy such as MMT might have huge consequences for the economy. Mind the close relationship between the government, central bank, and the corporation. The government is unable to supply goods and services (since they were privatized in step 2) but it can decide on measures that are needed to bust the economy – medical care for all, more money to single mothers, more money for useless college degrees etc… Then the central bank prints the money that the government needs to finance these measures. The government gets the money and hands them to corporations that sell you the goods and services.

If the government’s debt becomes unsustainable then the government simply sells (to the corporations) what it still owns such as prisons, hospitals, roads, and in the future the police, courts and the parliament. As a result, the government is reduced to a printing press and a mediator of the corporative interest of corporations.

As the government shrinks the corporations are growing bigger as more and more services and goods (even the most basic) become commodified and privatized. Oh… yes, and your money is devaluated and you have to wage-slave even more to afford the most basic stuff. In addition, another important aspect of MMT is Job Guarantee – if you are unemployed you will be given a job at a government-sponsored corporation to wageslave for. The policing of the plebs (us) will remain important and will be done by Social Credit System, Militarized Police, Surveillance, and maybe some great shit will make normies to implant RFID chips (but it already happened with the Smartphones).

The Future World
The state will become a place where corporations meet and settle their disputes on how to exploit the people more effectively and “keep the system going”. For the people, it means hyper-exploitation longer shifts, less investment into public goods, etc... and above all borrowing and sell-off of the future - your future.

The result is a system that reached “communism” by capitalism. It supplies each with his needs to keep him wageslaving in order to harvest what he as created throw taxes and high costs for subsistence. You will be left with zero savings since with the Social Credit System (we already discussed it) the prices of goods will be differentiated for different people in accordance to their social score. Further down the road, the system can support specific complexes by creating corporation-specific money that can used to buy goods of only a specific corporation. Thus, rationing demands for corporations.

So… what do you think boyos?
 
Tolodirelossus
 
you have to wage-slave even more to afford the most basic stuff

I don't really agree with this one. If anything, goods have become cheaper since they are commoditized (like cellphones, computers, etc)

The result is a system that reached “communism” by capitalism

That's a quite interesting idea.
 
I don't really agree with this one. If anything, goods have become cheaper since they are commoditized (like cellphones, computers, etc)
Yes, since the industrialization many goods became significantly cheaper.
My argument was that monopolization will drive the purchasing power of citizens to zero regardless of how much they earn and the general price level. Their goal is to create a system that extracts everything our of the people.

That's a quite interesting idea.
Modern Monetary Theory, Universal Basic income are the policies that will bring us there.
 
It's important to see the difference between ontology and deontology when predicting the future.

In that case you made a superb job.
 
Yes, since the industrialization many goods became significantly cheaper.
My argument was that monopolization will drive the purchasing power of citizens to zero regardless of how much they earn and the general price level. Their goal is to create a system that extracts everything our of the people.


Modern Monetary Theory, Universal Basic income are the policies that will bring us there.

There are laws against monopolization.
If those laws are reverted, or when a catastrophy happens (like corona) where small shops go bankrupt, then we will be screwed.

I can see this coming in the near future. At the end of the day the strong devoures the weak, and a monopoloy will rise soon or later if you go to limit = infinity.
 
There are laws against monopolization.
If those laws are reverted, or when a catastrophy happens (like corona) where small shops go bankrupt, then we will be screwed.

I can see this coming in the near future. At the end of the day the strong devoures the weak, and a monopoloy will rise soon or later if you go to limit = infinity.
and we talked about the corona and its impact on the economy here:
 
Sounds high IQ can you explain?

the concepts of deontology and ontology could be bluntly described as "should be" and "be".

In that way your prediction is very down to earth, that things will not get better or that "we will win", that the future will not find itself bound to your morality.
 
The Role of Central Bank and New Monetary Policy
Most developed economies in the world reached the zero bound of interest rates. There are various reasons for that, that we will not discuss, but the main implication is that the central banks are “out of ammo” to further stimulate the economy. What is left is fiscal policy – government purchasing of goods and services. Where would the government buy goods and services? At the markets from the big monopolistic corporations that are helped to grow.

Where would the government take money to finance its own expanses? The problem is that most countries have institutional arrangements that prevent the government from financing their own debt since it causes inflation.

I don't get how central banks running out of ammo will drive govs to purchase goods and services ?

The gov can finance its own debt by selling the said debt.
 
I don't get how central banks running out of ammo will drive govs to purchase goods and services ?

The gov can finance its own debt by selling the said debt.
The central banks are out of ammo NOW. But if central bank adopt MMT which is the ability to print money to finance government debt they will have ammo again.
 
But is greater centralisation inevitable? As nationstates becomes less important the more power is moved to the EU, do we not see people in the memberstates seeking to break up into smaller states? There is of course Brexit. But also many separatists movements within countries. here is a long list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_Europe
Or would these new states (if the are created) still be swallowed up by the EU. Or perhaps it will not matter if corporations control the economy and all important functions of state. (Just thinking out loud here)
 
I wish I had enough attention span to read this
 
Stopped reading at "marco"
 
But is greater centralisation inevitable? As nationstates becomes less important the more power is moved to the EU, do we not see people in the memberstates seeking to break up into smaller states? There is of course Brexit. But also many separatists movements within countries. here is a long list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_Europe
Or would these new states (if the are created) still be swallowed up by the EU. Or perhaps it will not matter if corporations control the economy and all important functions of state. (Just thinking out loud here)

There are no borders to capital. Nationstates will become symulacras (simulation of simulation) of nations since they cannot control what gets in or out of their borders and in fact are getting orders from the super-state and international institutions (UN, IMF, OECD, etc...).


So even if a separatist state will be created and will leave the EU one of two will happen. First option, If it will creat it's own mechanism of capital flow control, people movement control etc... it will essentially deem itself to poverty since the small capital within will not be able to compete with the big capital outside. As a result people will revolt and a "color revolution" of some sort will bring it back to a super-state.
The second option is that it will not erect mechanism of control and hence it will be of. O difference since it is still transparent for capital and people to flow in and out.
Both ways lead to the same result.


The only way to break out of this vicious cycle is by have blackpilled masses of people and blackpilled governments. I hope it is possible.
Stopped reading at "marco"
Macro is high IQ
Micro is medium IQ
 
Would not the masses and governments of all, or at least a majority of countries, have to be blackpilled at the same time? I cannot imagine that a single small country, or several small countries, can stand alone and resist a global movement, or the world economy. Even North Korea is not isolated, and relies on trade with China. And most countries could never support an industrialised society without access to the world economy.
 
Would not the masses and governments of all, or at least a majority of countries, have to be blackpilled at the same time? I cannot imagine that a single small country, or several small countries, can stand alone and resist a global movement, or the world economy. Even North Korea is not isolated, and relies on trade with China. And most countries could never support an industrialised society without access to the world economy.
Exactly. Blackpilling all at once is super difficult. But it doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
 
I think the world lost ww2
 
Too high iq for me ngl
 
You're right. Your vision is accurate. Corporations will rule over governments like they're puppets
 
im too lazy to read that rn but it seems interesting
 
Mostly on point.
 

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