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"the little-known fact that Eastern Europe was the largest source of slaves in the early modern world after West Africa"

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It's honestly unnerving how much and how quickly can history be forgotten:shock:.

The upshot of these activities is the little-known fact that Eastern Europe was the largest source of slaves in the early modern world after West Africa (Khodarkovsky 2002, 22).
Our understanding of how slave-raiding influences long-run development is based almost exclusively on evidence from the transatlantic slave trade, which was dwarfed by its Black Sea counterpart until as late as the 18th century.
At a minimum, 3.7 million people were enslaved in these incursions; using imputation methods to account for missing information on captives, we estimate that the true figure lies in the region of 5 million. This represents more than a quarter of Eastern Europe’s estimated population in 1400, shortly before the onset of the slave trade. This is comparable to the proportion of Africa’s preexisting population that was exported in one of its four major early modern slave trades (just under one-third). As a high fraction of Eastern European slaves were exported to Ottoman lands(Kołodziejczyk 2006, 151), it seems reasonable to view the Black Sea slave trade as roughly comparable to its African counterparts in terms of overall demographic burden.

Consequences of the Black Sea Slave Trade: Long-Run Development in Eastern Europe

"Little-known" doesn't come close to giving it justice. I've seen normies IRL be genuinely confused by the notion of white slaves, despite being from a country literally bordering the red area on this map, completely oblivious to the fact that their ancestors were one of the most often enslaved groups in Eurasia and there basically never having been black slaves here.

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Equal to the West African slave trade in its demographic impact on the supplier region and greater than it up until the 18th century, yet it is the former that has basically redefined and put itself at the center of any kind of slavery studies, is talked about to this day and even continues to be an issue in world politics, both in terms of international politics between various countries and internal issues of various large countries, while the Black Sea slave trade is all but forgotten.

It never comes up in fiction and isn't in history books either (I found out about this particular slave trade on English-language Wikipedia ffs:feelshaha:). Nobody except history professors and 4chan Chuds looking for anything they could use to undermine the mainstream undestanding of the world, history and politics even knows about this.

It's just interesting to think about it and what other historical events have been completely forgotten because there's no infrastructure to remember them. Or which are currently happening and won't be remembered:waitwhat:.

Of course, I understand why that is so. First off, there is no surviving population in Turkey that traces its origins to those enslaved people, since the men were by and large prevented from reproducing as a large majority were castrated and mostly didn't have any chance to have sex with any woman even in the rare cases where they weren't castrated. Meanwhile, the women were used for reproduction by their owners, with all the random freak instances where an enslaved man would've impregnated his female owner or his male owner's wife being just dealt with by paternity fraud. Then, you have the fact that the countries which participated in the Transatlantic Slave Trade have much bigger populations and much more advanced historical research scene, so it is much more studied and written about, which in turn influences the historians in our EE countries, and they also start focusing on and reading publications about the more studied phenomenon.

That second point really can't be understated, I did a quick check on both Slovak and Czech websites which catalogue various student theses (bachelor's, master's, and so on), looking for ones with "slavery" among the studied terms, for the former there were only theses about modern slavery, Roman slavery, and the US slavery of course:feelskek:, with absolutely nothing about slavery in our own history, while for the latter, it was very much the same, though they had much more of them indexed, and after searching through like 150-200 of them I actually managed to find one, single thesis about slavery in their history during the Early Middle Ages, and that was it, the rest was American, Roman, and modern stuff:dafuckfeels:. I wonder whether Polish, Romanian, Ukrainian and Russian brocels here would find anything different on their analogues of those sites, but I highly doubt it:feelsseriously:.

And lastly, since we live in a world where browns and blacks are well, well below whites in the power hierarchy and when it comes to development, it just comes naturally to people to think about whites being in power over others in the past, rather than think about Europeans being mass enslaved and brought to non-white lands by force and violence.

Crazy to think that if those factors were flipped, it is the same Transatlantic Slave Trade which we all know about that is almost a religion in some political and activist circles, that would be the irrelevant and forgotten niche historical footnote:feelsjuice:.
 
According to our imputation model, 4.79 million captives — 95% of the total — were taken by 1700. The number of Africans exported in the transatlantic slave trade by this date is estimated at 1.28 million (Slave Voyages 2021).

When the USA became independent in 1776, there were people in that country who were alive during the time when almost four times as many white slaves have been sent to the Ottoman Empire than African slaves sent through the Atlantic:feelshaha::feelstrash:.

According to Wikipedia:

Current estimates are that about 12 million to 12.8 million Africans were shipped across the Atlantic over a span of 400 years.

And:

Following the British Slave Trade Act 1807 and U.S. bans on the African slave trade that same year, it declined, but the period thereafter still accounted for 28.5% of the total volume of the Atlantic slave trade.[153][page needed] Between 1810 and 1860, over 3.5 million slaves were transported, with 850,000 in the 1820s.[154]

Let's say the number is in between those two estimates, so 12.4 million. That minus 28.5% is 8.866 million. That means that after the entire period during which it was legal, there weren't even twice as many slaves shipped from West Africa through the Atlantic as there were EE captives sent to the Ottoman Empire, and only maybe something about twice or thrice as many when counting the ones who died during transit:feelsjuice:.
 
Sowell points out that every group of people got enslaved at some point in their history. Americentric historical narratives focus on blacks because they have to push the victimhood narrative.
The Eastern European slave trade dates back to the viking era, they had slave markets in Verdun for this. Suffering oppression doesn't make ethnic group uniquely victimized.
 
Sowell points out that every group of people got enslaved at some point in their history. Americentric historical narratives focus on blacks because they have to push the victimhood narrative.
The Eastern European slave trade dates back to the viking era, they had slave markets in Verdun for this. Suffering oppression doesn't make ethnic group uniquely victimized.
Turks/Arabs almost never come online and troll Slavs by telling them their enslavement was a good thing.

Many Whites, however, do think Colonialism and Slavery were net positives for Blacks and Browns. This is what annoys people.
 
I wonder whether Polish, Romanian, Ukrainian and Russian brocels here would find anything different on their analogues of those sites, but I highly doubt it
This is absolutely the first time I'm hearing about it, nobody ever brings this up in russia, definitely not common knowledge here :shock: Yeah it's insane how much stuff is forgotten or twisted for the benefit of currently ruling political parties, a good example being of course what we're now experiencing with foid nature, "patriarchy" and feminism
 
It's honestly unnerving how much and how quickly can history be forgotten:shock:.





Consequences of the Black Sea Slave Trade: Long-Run Development in Eastern Europe

"Little-known" doesn't come close to giving it justice. I've seen normies IRL be genuinely confused by the notion of white slaves, despite being from a country literally bordering the red area on this map, completely oblivious to the fact that their ancestors were one of the most often enslaved groups in Eurasia and there basically never having been black slaves here.

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Equal to the West African slave trade in its demographic impact on the supplier region and greater than it up until the 18th century, yet it is the former that has basically redefined and put itself at the center of any kind of slavery studies, is talked about to this day and even continues to be an issue in world politics, both in terms of international politics between various countries and internal issues of various large countries, while the Black Sea slave trade is all but forgotten.

It never comes up in fiction and isn't in history books either (I found out about this particular slave trade on English-language Wikipedia ffs:feelshaha:). Nobody except history professors and 4chan Chuds looking for anything they could use to undermine the mainstream undestanding of the world, history and politics even knows about this.

It's just interesting to think about it and what other historical events have been completely forgotten because there's no infrastructure to remember them. Or which are currently happening and won't be remembered:waitwhat:.

Of course, I understand why that is so. First off, there is no surviving population in Turkey that traces its origins to those enslaved people, since the men were by and large prevented from reproducing as a large majority were castrated and mostly didn't have any chance to have sex with any woman even in the rare cases where they weren't castrated. Meanwhile, the women were used for reproduction by their owners, with all the random freak instances where an enslaved man would've impregnated his female owner or his male owner's wife being just dealt with by paternity fraud. Then, you have the fact that the countries which participated in the Transatlantic Slave Trade have much bigger populations and much more advanced historical research scene, so it is much more studied and written about, which in turn influences the historians in our EE countries, and they also start focusing on and reading publications about the more studied phenomenon.

That second point really can't be understated, I did a quick check on both Slovak and Czech websites which catalogue various student theses (bachelor's, master's, and so on), looking for ones with "slavery" among the studied terms, for the former there were only theses about modern slavery, Roman slavery, and the US slavery of course:feelskek:, with absolutely nothing about slavery in our own history, while for the latter, it was very much the same, though they had much more of them indexed, and after searching through like 150-200 of them I actually managed to find one, single thesis about slavery in their history during the Early Middle Ages, and that was it, the rest was American, Roman, and modern stuff:dafuckfeels:. I wonder whether Polish, Romanian, Ukrainian and Russian brocels here would find anything different on their analogues of those sites, but I highly doubt it:feelsseriously:.

And lastly, since we live in a world where browns and blacks are well, well below whites in the power hierarchy and when it comes to development, it just comes naturally to people to think about whites being in power over others in the past, rather than think about Europeans being mass enslaved and brought to non-white lands by force and violence.

Crazy to think that if those factors were flipped, it is the same Transatlantic Slave Trade which we all know about that is almost a religion in some political and activist circles, that would be the irrelevant and forgotten niche historical footnote:feelsjuice:.
amazing thread. I recently learned there were multiple wars the same size as the vietnam war, happening at the same time as the vietnam war, yet nobody remembers. Most of history is forgotten, never recorded. There was also a war in north africa with same death rate as ukraine, happening at same time, but nobody cares. I only learned about it while looking up a list of wars on wikipedia and sorting by date/kill count, and these random ass huge wars kept popping up I never heard about, even though they happened in my lifetime.


View: https://youtu.be/VgF9iY1yOjw?si=WEKrnCGbg4_t94zh
 
Turks/Arabs almost never come online and troll Slavs by telling them their enslavement was a good thing.

Many Whites, however, do think Colonialism and Slavery were net positives for Blacks and Browns. This is what annoys people.
That's assuming that they are by and large aware and knowledgeable about it and are just choosing not to talk about it, which is what I'm very much unsure about due to the reasons I mentioned:feelsthink:. In this study for example, the researchers repeatedly point out that this seems to be the first time someone had tried to make a large-scale mapping and analysis of this, for example.

Yeah it's insane how much stuff is forgotten or twisted for the benefit of currently ruling political parties, a good example being of course what we're now experiencing with foid nature, "patriarchy" and feminism
amazing thread. I recently learned there were multiple wars the same size as the vietnam war, happening at the same time as the vietnam war, yet nobody remembers. Most of history is forgotten, never recorded.
:yes::yes::yes:
 
First off, there is no surviving population in Turkey that traces its origins to those enslaved people, since the men were by and large prevented from reproducing as a large majority were castrated and mostly didn't have any chance to have sex with any woman even in the rare cases where they weren't castrated. Meanwhile, the women were used for reproduction by their owners, with all the random freak instances where an enslaved man would've impregnated his female owner or his male owner's wife being just dealt with by paternity fraud.
I hope trump NUKES the middle east, semites off all kinds are fucking disgusting, kill them all (in REAL LIFE).

Semites/SandNiggers try not to mutilate male genitals challenge (impossible):
 
Turks/Arabs almost never come online and troll Slavs by telling them their enslavement was a good thing.
Turks/Arabs go for sex tourism to Ruzzia and Ukraine, Poland too so not sure about that, it's clear they see below us
 
Turks/Arabs go for sex tourism to Ruzzia and Ukraine, Poland too so not sure about that, it's clear they see below us
Really? Please show me some proof. I have never heard of an ethnic male slaying in an eastern european country.
 
Don't the word of slave came from slav?
 
Don't the word of slave came from slav?
Yes, that is just the word tho. Doesn't mean slavery came into existence because of slavs. Slavery probably started right when agriculture was created in Mesopotamia.
 
I have never heard of an ethnic male slaying in an eastern european country.
Google SImon Mol


@WorthlessSlavicShit i know this forum ethnics have victim complex but EE 20 years or 10 years ago was goldmine for ethnics, tho not anymore
 
I have never heard of an ethnic male slaying in an eastern european country.
Not sure about Turks/Arabs but as long as they're attractive I don't see why not. The racist tag they get is largely male dominated women aren't tribalistic like men
 
I wish I had a tight little Slavic slave to rape on a daily basis
 
Really? Please show me some proof. I have never heard of an ethnic male slaying in an eastern european country.
Lots of stories like this from the 90s, foreigners really don't understand how mentally destroyed the entire region was and how self-hating everyone was (a lot of people still are, but it's not as bad.)


Then you also have stuff like ethnic minorities (gypsies in most EE countries and various natives in Russia) consistently dating/marrying out more than the white Slavic majority, women outmarrying more internationally, and so on.



Outsiders are usually sceptical about it because they are used to societies where the only reason a place would be overwhelmingly white and with minimal amount of ethnic immigrants is because the people there are actively trying to make it so, but for the guys who live here, it's a fact of life that ethnics have no problem getting laid with our women and that we get sexpats from both the West and ethnic countries. Though as @To koniec said, it's a bit better than a few decades ago when EE was painfully poor:feelsYall:.
 
The vikings also took quite a few slaves from the British Isles.
 
Turks/Arabs go for sex tourism to Ruzzia and Ukraine, Poland too so not sure about that, it's clear they see below us
It is the same for Russia and Ukraine, but not Poland. The reason it is seen like this is more related to the prostitution of the poor Eastern Slavs after the Soviets and the spread of their reputation. The fact that the Turks see Slavs as prostitutes has nothing to do with their past slavery experiences, in fact there is almost no Slavic influence on the Anatolian Turks. But you can see the effect of the slavery mentioned in the Tatars.
 
Turks/Arabs almost never come online and troll Slavs by telling them their enslavement was a good thing.

Many Whites, however, do think Colonialism and Slavery were net positives for Blacks and Browns. This is what annoys people.
i dont support colonisation or slavery but you cant deny colonisations economic impacts have been positive overall for africa, in most sub-saharan african countries they didnt have any infrastructure or even basic shit like written language, they were living like primitives. africa would be a successful continent if each state was colonised the same way that rhodesia was. during colonial rule in rhodesia, white people ruled the nations economy and politics and took away some of black peoples rights, but overall blacks had a far higher quality of living, they were able to be educated, were given lots of employment opportunities and overall werent living in abject poverty and had a decent amount of freedom especially in non white areas. it was a paradise compared to the hellhole that zimbabwae has become after blacks took over. they simply cannot manage their own societies without the help of white people, its just a fact.
 
i dont support colonisation or slavery but you cant deny colonisations economic impacts have been positive overall for africa, in most sub-saharan african countries they didnt have any infrastructure or even basic shit like written language, they were living like primitives. africa would be a successful continent if each state was colonised the same way that rhodesia was. during colonial rule in rhodesia, white people ruled the nations economy and politics and took away some of black peoples rights, but overall blacks had a far higher quality of living, they were able to be educated, were given lots of employment opportunities and overall werent living in abject poverty and had a decent amount of freedom especially in non white areas. it was a paradise compared to the hellhole that zimbabwae has become after blacks took over. they simply cannot manage their own societies without the help of white people, its just a fact.
What paradise was there before or after? None, except for the whites who took over in the colonization period and lived in paradise compared to the blacks, who were considered second-class citizens.
 
i dont support colonisation or slavery but you cant deny colonisations economic impacts have been positive overall for africa, in most sub-saharan african countries they didnt have any infrastructure or even basic shit like written language, they were living like primitives. africa would be a successful continent if each state was colonised the same way that rhodesia was. during colonial rule in rhodesia, white people ruled the nations economy and politics and took away some of black peoples rights, but overall blacks had a far higher quality of living, they were able to be educated, were given lots of employment opportunities and overall werent living in abject poverty and had a decent amount of freedom especially in non white areas. it was a paradise compared to the hellhole that zimbabwae has become after blacks took over. they simply cannot manage their own societies without the help of white people, its just a fact.
The benefits were all unintended. Settlers originally planned to deport local Africans from their regions and establish a country of only Whites.

Whether minority-rule was beneficial is neither here nor there. Who watches over the White man? What incentive does he have to act honorably?

Poverty is preferable to being dominated by a stronger foreign group, which will eventually push you out of the country. Look at Israel, that would have been Zimbabwe and South Africa.
 
It's honestly unnerving how much and how quickly can history be forgotten:shock:.


100%...

People forget things, especially when vested interests start putting their own spin on.


There is colour film of the US corps of engineers (and others) demolishing the Nazi death camps, but we already have a majority of people who believe all of that either (a) didn't happen, or (b) it was much less than it was.) That all happened less than a century ago..
 
What paradise was there before or after? None, except for the whites who took over in the colonization period and lived in paradise compared to the blacks, who were considered second-class citizens.
Would you rather be treated as a second class citizen with a few less rights but have a stable job and income or be impoverished and starving on the daily but be equal to your peers? Its clear life was worse after whites left. Never said it was paradise, just that their quality of life was significantly higher under colonial rule. 99% of blacks that were alive to witness the fall of rhodesia say they wish the communist regime had never gotten in power because like i said at least they had economic and political stability and decent material living standards in rhodesia.
 
The benefits were all unintended. Settlers originally planned to deport local Africans from their regions and establish a country of only Whites.

Whether minority-rule was beneficial is neither here nor there. Who watches over the White man? What incentive does he have to act honorably?

Poverty is preferable to being dominated by a stronger foreign group, which will eventually push you out of the country. Look at Israel, that would have been Zimbabwe and South Africa.

Chatgpt says otherwise...

No, the government did not try to deport black Africans.
Here’s what they were doing:

✅ What the Rhodesian whites did:
Maintained a white-minority rule over a Black African majority (~95% of the population).

Implemented laws and policies that:

Severely restricted Black voting rights (Blacks had to meet high income and education thresholds to vote).

Segregated land, education, and jobs (similar to apartheid-lite).

Repressed Black nationalist movements and imprisoned or killed opponents.

Fought a brutal war against African liberation groups (ZANU, ZAPU) who wanted majority rule.

❌ What they did not do:
They did not attempt to deport the Black population.

They did not propose expelling the Black majority from the country — they relied on them economically (laborers, farmers, etc.).

Summary:
White Rhodesians didn’t aim to remove Blacks from the country — they tried to keep political power while preserving an economic system dependent on Black labor, resisting majority rule as long as possible.
 
The benefits were all unintended. Settlers originally planned to deport local Africans from their regions and establish a country of only Whites.
Like chatgpt said, this is just false.
Whether minority-rule was beneficial is neither here nor there. Who watches over the White man? What incentive does he have to act honorably?
What incentive do Australian whites have to keep aboriginal blacks alive and well respected? Aboriginals (overall) commit crime a lot of crime and live off welfare, they are also only 8% of the population yet we treat them and their culture with respect, you act like white people are some molevolent force that have no compassion, same with blacks in america we couldve just deported them after slavery but we chose to be nice to them and let them stay
Poverty is preferable to being dominated by a stronger foreign group, which will eventually push you out of the country. Look at Israel, that would have been Zimbabwe and South Africa.


Poverty is preferable to domination by a stronger foreign group.”
That is a perspective shared by many anti-colonial thinkers. Here’s the historical logic:

Many African leaders believed freedom and dignity were worth more than economic prosperity under foreign rule.

However, post-independence governments often struggled with corruption, economic decline, and conflict — leading some to romanticize the order (and infrastructure) under colonial rule.

But your statement implies that loss of sovereignty leads to dispossession, using Israel as an analogy:

“Look at Israel — that would have been Zimbabwe or South Africa.”
You're drawing a comparison between:

Jewish settlers establishing a state in Palestine, and

The hypothetical idea that whites in Rhodesia or South Africa would have pushed out the native population if left unchecked.

That comparison has some surface-level similarity, but it’s not entirely accurate:

Israel was formed under unique historical conditions (Holocaust, Zionist movement, British mandate, wars).

In Rhodesia and South Africa, the whites were always a small minority. They could not realistically expel or replace the Black majority like European settlers did in the Americas or Australia.

In fact, in both cases (Rhodesia -> Zimbabwe, South Africa), Black majorities reclaimed political power, not the reverse.
 
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