The existence of God is scientifically provable.

[THULSA COON]

The Bible and the Torah are edited; the Quran is the only unedited word of God from now until the end of this world. The Quran states explicitly the original sin *was not Adam and Eve eating the apple*, it was precisely choosing to be either a) complicit with Satan (the devils), b) remaining faithful to God (the angels), c) choosing Satan and then choosing to repent when given the chance (the animals), and d) being undecided (the humans.)

Calling the Qur’an “unedited” is not only historically incorrect, it is demonstrably false. The Qur’an went through canon-fixing under Caliph Uthman, during which variant recitations were destroyed. That is editing.

The second portion the “classification” of beings into moral categories like a multiple-choice test is simply mythology being reinterpreted with modern language. It’s not profound; it’s arbitrary. Humans were not “undecided” they simply didn’t exist when angels allegedly revolted. This is theology as fan-fiction.

 

[1Disturbed]

Calling the Qur’an “unedited” is not only historically incorrect, it is demonstrably false. The Qur’an went through canon-fixing under Caliph Uthman, during which variant recitations were destroyed. That is editing.

It impossible to corrupt the Quran, because of it's mathematical code that acts as a Divine Firewall.

The second portion the “classification” of beings into moral categories like a multiple-choice test is simply mythology being reinterpreted with modern language. It’s not profound; it’s arbitrary. Humans were not “undecided” they simply didn’t exist when angels allegedly revolted. This is theology as fan-fiction.

Completely incorrect. Read the Authorized English Version.

The Great Feud


[38:67] Say, “Here is awesome news.


[38:68] “That you are totally oblivious to.


[38:69] “I had no knowledge previously, about the feud in the High Society.


(The feud in the High Society was triggered by Satan’s challenge to God’s absolute authority. This is definitely the most important event in the history of the human race. We failed to make a firm stand regarding God’s absolute authority. This life represents the third and final chance to redeem ourselves.)


[38:70] “I am inspired that my sole mission is to deliver the warnings to you.”


[38:71] Your Lord said to the angels, “I am creating a human being from clay.


[38:72] “Once I design him, and blow into him from My spirit, you shall fall prostrate before him.”


[38:73] The angels fell prostrate, all of them,


[38:74] except Satan; he refused, and was too arrogant, unappreciative.


[38:75] He said, “O Satan, what prevented you from prostrating before what I created with My hands? Are you too arrogant? Have you rebelled?”


[38:76] He said, “I am better than he; You created me from fire, and created him from clay.”


[38:77] He said, “Therefore, you must be exiled, you will be banished.


[38:78] “You have incurred My condemnation until the Day of Judgment.”


[38:79] He said, “My Lord, respite me till the Day of Resurrection.”


[38:80] He said, “You are respited.


[38:81] “Until the appointed day.”


[38:82] He said, “I swear by Your majesty, that I will send them all astray.


[38:83] “Except Your worshipers who are devoted absolutely to You alone.”


[38:84] He said, “This is the truth, and the truth is all that I utter.


[38:85] “I will fill Hell with you and all those who follow you.”


[38:86] Say, “I do not ask you for any wage, and I am not an imposter.


[38:87] “This is a reminder for the world.


[38:88] “And you will certainly find out in awhile.”

 

[curbstomped]

You're the one whose heart has blackened, the animals deserve (to be tortured for millions of years)

you're fucking losing it

 

[1Disturbed]

you're fucking losing it

Who is being tortured?

 

[curbstomped]

Who is being tortured?

atheism expects the suffering of animals, it's the process that brought about us, pain receptors increase survivability. it's not torture from the atheist perspective when animals suffer for millions of years. it's torture if an omnipotent all-loving god is up in the sky and monitoring it happen.

 

[Blackpill Monk]

I wish to be as delusional as you

 

[Blackpill Monk]

There will never be "proof" for god in any way, just copes. I can do mental gymnastics to prove I'm the ruler of the universe

 

[Blackpill Monk]

Low IQ sandnigger babble

 

[1Disturbed]

atheism expects the suffering of animals, it's the process that brought about us, pain receptors increase survivability. it's not torture from the atheist perspective when animals suffer for millions of years. it's torture if an omnipotent all-loving god is up in the sky and monitoring it happen.

They don't just experience pain though, they experience many good things. And their pain receptors still increase their survivability...
What should an All-Loving God, Creator do in your opinion then? Not create anything or anyone? Creating is just what God does.

 

[xxectrapieces]

He's a sick fuck if he does exist

 

[xxectrapieces]

They don't just experience pain though, they experience many good things. And their pain receptors still increase their survivability...
What should an All-Loving God, Creator do in your opinion then? Not create anything or anyone? Creating is just what God does.

I sure do love god for allowing me to exist as a subhuman manlet, suffering as I live.

Whilst Chad gets to live a good life for existing

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

Exactly, it is scientifically proven that the earth was created in six nights and six days:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbrEKErf-cA


He's grasping at everything to try to stick to his idols he thinks will save him, in this case he thinks being ugly somehow will save him even if he is serving fuel in the eternal Fire for those above, in Heaven... The Lord willing, you will understand the irony of it.

No, praise God. Jesus, Muhammad, Mary, Saint Francis, Abraham, Noah, Adam, the celebrities, the ego, the material pleasures, your parents, your children, your relatives, your comfort, are all idols set up for you by Satan.

Are you Muslim ?

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

I sure do love god for allowing me to exist as a subhuman manlet, suffering as I live.

Whilst Chad gets to live a good life for existing

Chad won't enjoy the world to come ,think of the 100's of wives that will haunt him forever

 

[xxectrapieces]

Chad won't enjoy the world to come ,think of the 100's of wives that will haunt him forever

sounds like cope to me

 

[curbstomped]

They don't just experience pain though, they experience many good things. And their pain receptors still increase their survivability...
What should an All-Loving God, Creator do in your opinion then? Not create anything or anyone? Creating is just what God does.

we're getting somewhere. the animal experience of good things isn't an issue, it's great. why the rest?

the argument goes like this. god is all loving and all-just, he wouldn't unnecessarily harm animals for fun, his own amusement or due to his wickedness. this means when our children die immediately after birth or suffer horrific deformities and can't sustain life, it's due to some ultimately justified reason, as explained by Genesis in the jew bible. all Abrahamic religions have the explanation of this, it's the same in Islam.

the issue comes because an all-just and all loving god would mitigate the amount of suffering to an all-just standard. we exist in the world of suffering on humans due to our disobedience or whatever. this doesn't account for animals. why didn't god create conditions where animals don't suffer the way they do? it's unnecessary, did god HAVE to make half the worlds animals parasites? your god made an .. overblown and unjust choice to harm so many animals for no reason.

 

[no love found]

premise 1: something can't come from nothing
premise 2: something exists

therefore nothing has ever existed

Nothing ever exists

 

[curbstomped]

They don't just experience pain though, they experience many good things. And their pain receptors still increase their survivability...
What should an All-Loving God, Creator do in your opinion then? Not create anything or anyone? Creating is just what God does.

pain receptors evolved to avoid death which leads to survival which leads to passing down of effective genes (that survive the conditions). this process is violent due to the fact that these animals NEED to feel pain so they can escape horrific death (they will succumb eventually). if an all loving god existed, he wouldn't create such conditions for beings that have done no wrong.

 

[1Disturbed]

I sure do love god for allowing me to exist as a subhuman manlet, suffering as I live.

Whilst Chad gets to live a good life for existing

Now, the categories of people who will be saved are the poor, the mourners, the meek, the hungry, the thirsty, the merciful, the pure in heart, the submitters, and the persecuted, or the ridiculed. There is no way for anyone to go to Heaven unless he or she is in one of these categories. And this supersedes religion. This supersedes everything other people might tell you about how to go to Heaven. If you are not in one of these categories, you will not go to Heaven. As you can see, all those categories involve struggle in life, which are mostly involuntary struggles, except for submission which is a voluntary struggle. So, would you rather be poor, a mourner, meek, hungry, thirsty, or a submitter? You have to be in one of these groups to go to Heaven, or a little bit of all of these, or a combination of these, but you can not go to Heaven if you are not in one of these. And this is what the Christians misunderstand. They say that they are believers, and they have accepted Jesus, but then most of them, you don’t find them in any of these groups. So, it’s not possible for them to go to Heaven, unless they belong in one of those groups. If you truly accept the word of God, God will definitely put you in one of these groups. If he chose you to go to Heaven, he will offer you submission first which includes the Contact Prayer, and if you refuse it, then he will send you to Heaven, either through poverty, or mourning, or hunger, or thirst, or struggles like that.

So which is worse, an eternity in Flame or a short, infinitesimal, relatively unpleasant (while still Magnificent as all of God's creation) life, and afterward an eternity in Paradise.

Are you Muslim ?

There's almost no point in saying Muslim in English, just as there's no point in saying Allah in English, Allah is just a translation of the word God, Muslim is just a translation of 'one who submits to God'.
In Arabic I would say I am a Muslim who worships Allah. In English I say I'm a submitter to God and I worship God alone.

we're getting somewhere. the animal experience of good things isn't an issue, it's great. why the rest?

the argument goes like this. god is all loving and all-just, he wouldn't unnecessarily harm animals for fun, his own amusement or due to his wickedness. this means when our children die immediately after birth or suffer horrific deformities and can't sustain life, it's due to some ultimately justified reason, as explained by Genesis in the jew bible. all Abrahamic religions have the explanation of this, it's the same in Islam.

the issue comes because an all-just and all loving god would mitigate the amount of suffering to an all-just standard. we exist in the world of suffering on humans due to our disobedience or whatever. this doesn't account for animals. why didn't god create conditions where animals don't suffer the way they do? it's unnecessary, did god HAVE to make half the worlds animals parasites? your god made an .. overblown and unjust choice to harm so many animals for no reason.

pain receptors evolved to avoid death which leads to survival which leads to passing down of effective genes (that survive the conditions). this process is violent due to the fact that these animals NEED to feel pain so they can escape horrific death (they will succumb eventually). if an all loving god existed, he wouldn't create such conditions for beings that have done no wrong.

Again, they did do wrong. And again, this is actually Merciful to them. They get to experience many good things. It's kind of like, a painting where someone is falling off a bridge, that painting still has the right to be created, how could an artist love his painting without drawing it first, so God creates animals that, by their nature, suffer, if he hadn't created them, it's impossible to love them to begin with.

 

[1Disturbed]

It's also got nothing to do with your conjectures and opinions, you talk about evolution when that's just not something that happened.

The sun, the moon, the stars, the sky, the day, the night, the mountains, the plants, the animals, the verses of the scripture, never convinced you for sure that there must be a Creator who created them. So it is your own fault that you did not believe.

It just isn't possible all of that was not created... This is the truth, and if you don't wish to speak the truth, this is not the thread for you.

 

[THULSA COON]

It impossible to corrupt the Quran, because of it's mathematical code that acts as a Divine Firewall.

Completely incorrect. Read the Authorized English Version.

The Great Feud


[38:67] Say, “Here is awesome news.


[38:68] “That you are totally oblivious to.


[38:69] “I had no knowledge previously, about the feud in the High Society.


(The feud in the High Society was triggered by Satan’s challenge to God’s absolute authority. This is definitely the most important event in the history of the human race. We failed to make a firm stand regarding God’s absolute authority. This life represents the third and final chance to redeem ourselves.)


[38:70] “I am inspired that my sole mission is to deliver the warnings to you.”


[38:71] Your Lord said to the angels, “I am creating a human being from clay.


[38:72] “Once I design him, and blow into him from My spirit, you shall fall prostrate before him.”


[38:73] The angels fell prostrate, all of them,


[38:74] except Satan; he refused, and was too arrogant, unappreciative.


[38:75] He said, “O Satan, what prevented you from prostrating before what I created with My hands? Are you too arrogant? Have you rebelled?”


[38:76] He said, “I am better than he; You created me from fire, and created him from clay.”


[38:77] He said, “Therefore, you must be exiled, you will be banished.


[38:78] “You have incurred My condemnation until the Day of Judgment.”


[38:79] He said, “My Lord, respite me till the Day of Resurrection.”


[38:80] He said, “You are respited.


[38:81] “Until the appointed day.”


[38:82] He said, “I swear by Your majesty, that I will send them all astray.


[38:83] “Except Your worshipers who are devoted absolutely to You alone.”


[38:84] He said, “This is the truth, and the truth is all that I utter.


[38:85] “I will fill Hell with you and all those who follow you.”


[38:86] Say, “I do not ask you for any wage, and I am not an imposter.


[38:87] “This is a reminder for the world.


[38:88] “And you will certainly find out in awhile.”

If someone makes a claim that a book can’t be corrupted because God wouldn’t allow it, then we’re not discussing evidence anymore. We’re discussing what they’d prefer to be true. And preferences are not arguments.

The attempt to retroactively justify mythology as literal cosmic history is standard in apologetics. But mythology quoting itself is not evidence. The Qur’an describing a feud between angels does no more to prove it happened than the Enuma Elish proves Marduk fought Tiamat.

 

[THULSA COON]

They don't just experience pain though, they experience many good things. And their pain receptors still increase their survivability...
What should an All-Loving God, Creator do in your opinion then? Not create anything or anyone? Creating is just what God does.

The apologist’s answer is simply to lower God until he resembles a cosmic hobbyist tinkering with organisms because ‘that’s just what he does.’ If this is the best excuse one can muster for billions of years of pointless agony, the moral bankruptcy speaks for itself.

 

[THULSA COON]

It's also got nothing to do with your conjectures and opinions, you talk about evolution when that's just not something that happened.

It just isn't possible all of that was not created... This is the truth, and if you don't wish to speak the truth, this is not the thread for you.

You can claim God makes you poor to save you, or that animals sinned, or that evolution is false, but none of that answers the simple question: Why would a loving, powerful God choose the system that maximizes suffering? If your excuses make God worse, not better, that’s a bad sign.

 

[xxectrapieces]

So which is worse, an eternity in Flame or a short, infinitesimal, relatively unpleasant (while still Magnificent as all of God's creation) life, and afterward an eternity in Paradise.

There's almost no point in saying Muslim in English, just as there's no point in saying Allah in English, Allah is just a translation of the word God, Muslim is just a translation of 'one who submits to God'.
In Arabic I would say I am a Muslim who worships Allah. In English I say I'm a submitter to God and I worship God alone.


Again, they did do wrong. And again, this is actually Merciful to them. They get to experience many good things. It's kind of like, a painting where someone is falling off a bridge, that painting still has the right to be created, how could an artist love his painting without drawing it first, so God creates animals that, by their nature, suffer, if he hadn't created them, it's impossible to love them to begin with.

Cuckery of a religion if you're seriously justifying our suffering because "muh eternal flame and muh heaven"

 

[sellsword]

Cuckery of a religion if you're seriously justifying our suffering because "muh eternal flame and muh heaven"

 

[caineturbat2003]

No, praise God. Jesus, Muhammad, Mary, Saint Francis, Abraham, Noah, Adam, the celebrities, the ego, the material pleasures, your parents, your children, your relatives, your comfort, are all idols set up for you by Satan.

That right there is how I know your religion is a jewish psyop.

 

[BasedGoyslopReviews]

The Lord is Merciful and Just. He is All-Good, All-Righteous, and the one and only Master of the Day of Judgement, He needs no partners beside Him.

if you justify little kids dying of cancer and 70 million of them being aborted annually, plus all the other fucked up shit happening in this world, then you are equally unjust and morally skewed as your god. i can see why u like him

 

[1Disturbed]

If someone makes a claim that a book can’t be corrupted because God wouldn’t allow it, then we’re not discussing evidence anymore. We’re discussing what they’d prefer to be true. And preferences are not arguments.

No, not because God wouldn't allow it. I'm talking about the mathematical code within it which is disrupted by the changing of a single letter or the addition of a single verse, and the original is quickly restored through pure mathematics:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO5ikXuDRV8

The attempt to retroactively justify mythology as literal cosmic history is standard in apologetics. But mythology quoting itself is not evidence. The Qur’an describing a feud between angels does no more to prove it happened than the Enuma Elish proves Marduk fought Tiamat.

The Quran is written by God. Whatever God says it's true.

The apologist’s answer is simply to lower God until he resembles a cosmic hobbyist tinkering with organisms because ‘that’s just what he does.’ If this is the best excuse one can muster for billions of years of pointless agony, the moral bankruptcy speaks for itself.

You're not making any sense.

You can claim God makes you poor to save you, or that animals sinned, or that evolution is false, but none of that answers the simple question: Why would a loving, powerful God choose the system that maximizes suffering? If your excuses make God worse, not better, that’s a bad sign.

The Lord saw all possible worlds/futures and chose the best one. Simple as.

That right there is how I know your religion is a jewish psyop.

The Jews and the idol worshippers are the single worst group in terms of incurring God's wrath. According to the Quran, a.k.a., God's word.

if you justify little kids dying of cancer and 70 million of them being aborted annually, plus all the other fucked up shit happening in this world, then you are equally unjust and morally skewed as your god. i can see why u like him

Everybody who dies under 40 goes straight to Heaven automatically, try harder again next time trying to make rationalizations for choosing Satan's Dominion over God's Kingdom. Morality comes from God, btw.

 

[THULSA COON]

No, not because God wouldn't allow it. I'm talking about the mathematical code within it which is disrupted by the changing of a single letter or the addition of a single verse, and the original is quickly restored through pure mathematics:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO5ikXuDRV8


The Quran is written by God. Whatever God says it's true.

You're not making any sense.

The Lord saw all possible worlds/futures and chose the best one. Simple as.

The Jews and the idol worshippers are the single worst group in terms of incurring God's wrath. According to the Quran, a.k.a., God's word.

Everybody who dies under 40 goes straight to Heaven automatically, try harder again next time trying to make rationalizations for choosing Satan's Dominion over God's Kingdom. Morality comes from God, btw.

Let’s be clear:

“Everybody who dies under 40 goes to Heaven automatically.”

This is not in the Qur’ān, not in any Hadith, not in any agreed-upon Islamic theology.
It is simply made up on the spot to patch a moral hole.

These kinds of ad hoc claims reveal that the apologist is improvising theology to guard God from criticism.

If your worldview requires you to invent new doctrines just to keep God from seeming monstrous, maybe the problem is the worldview.

 

[THULSA COON]

Raidilliam’s responses show the following pattern:
1. Circular reasoning (“It’s true because God wrote it.”)
2. Pseudoscience (numerology presented as mathematical certainty)
3. Moral evasions (“This is the best possible world.”)
4. Invented doctrines (“All under 40 go to Heaven.”)
5. Authoritarian morality (“Morality comes from God, period.”)

None of these constitute evidence.
They demonstrate the inability to address the core questions:
• Why should anyone believe the Qur’ān is divine?
• Why does a loving deity permit maximal suffering?
• Why does the world resemble natural processes rather than purposeful design?

@Raidilliam answers none of these.

 

[1Disturbed]

Let’s be clear:

“Everybody who dies under 40 goes to Heaven automatically.”

This is not in the Qur’ān, not in any Hadith, not in any agreed-upon Islamic theology.
It is simply made up on the spot to patch a moral hole.

These kinds of ad hoc claims reveal that the apologist is improvising theology to guard God from criticism.

If your worldview requires you to invent new doctrines just to keep God from seeming monstrous, maybe the problem is the worldview.

>Early in 1989 a man by the name of Theodore Robert Bundy was executed for killing a number of women. The whole nation agreed that he was one of the most vicious criminals in history. So much so that his execution was one of the rare occasions where the opponents of capital punishment did not protest. On the contrary, many people actually celebrated his execution. Numerous journalists, editorials, and politicians lamented the fact that justice took eleven years to execute Ted Bundy. They stated that Bundy should have been executed within a maximum of six years after his conviction. According to the Quran, this would have been the greatest favor anyone could have done to Bundy. He was 42 years old when executed. Had he been executed five years earlier, at the age of 37, he would have gone straight to Heaven, and he did not deserve that.
>As it turns out, Bundy was one of the signs God has given us to confirm that anyone who dies before 40 goes to Heaven. Bundy’s name, Theodore Robert Bundy, consists of 19 letters, and he confessed to killing 19 women just one day before his execution. There were many other signs from God.

Raidilliam’s responses show the following pattern:
1. Circular reasoning (“It’s true because God wrote it.”)
2. Pseudoscience (numerology presented as mathematical certainty)
3. Moral evasions (“This is the best possible world.”)
4. Invented doctrines (“All under 40 go to Heaven.”)
5. Authoritarian morality (“Morality comes from God, period.”)

None of these constitute evidence.
They demonstrate the inability to address the core questions:
• Why should anyone believe the Qur’ān is divine?
• Why does a loving deity permit maximal suffering?
• Why does the world resemble natural processes rather than purposeful design?

@Raidilliam answers none of these.

It's not numerology. The claim that numbers have meaning is not being made. The claim that is being made is that 19 is the number God chose to insert in the Quran, for several purposes that you're already aware of, and He chose that number for several reasons, for example, it is obviously a prime number, also, 1 and 9 are the only numbers which are the same in almost every language, and it also signifies one of God's attributes, Him being the Alpha and the Omega.
This is the same reason why saying, 'God said so' - is not circular reasoning, so long as God exists (and He does, it's proven.)
That's like asking what's the name of a little girl, and you know exactly what it is to begin with, since her father said so... The Lord decides everything.
Saying 'this is the best possible world' is not a moral evasion so long as the statement is correct, which is what's important here.
Read above what I typed, All under 40 do go to Heaven.
Morality cannot come from anything other than God Himself, because He is the only being which deserves to exist, He is worthy of All Praise. Period.
The reason why one should believe the Quran is revealed by God, is due to the indisputable proof embedded within it - one of the Great Miracles, the Mathematical Miracle of the Quran.
The question 'why does a loving deity permit maximal suffering' is not only a loaded question containing a rejection of God within it, implying that this world is bad, but it is also a conjecture. Saying that God is 'a deity' is not doing Him Justice, since, in actuality, He is the only deity. This makes your elaboration highly disrespectful and therefore not due for a response to begin with.
Your other question is also a loaded question, because every facet of this world resembles purposeful design.

 

[THULSA COON]

>Early in 1989 a man by the name of Theodore Robert Bundy was executed for killing a number of women. The whole nation agreed that he was one of the most vicious criminals in history. So much so that his execution was one of the rare occasions where the opponents of capital punishment did not protest. On the contrary, many people actually celebrated his execution. Numerous journalists, editorials, and politicians lamented the fact that justice took eleven years to execute Ted Bundy. They stated that Bundy should have been executed within a maximum of six years after his conviction. According to the Quran, this would have been the greatest favor anyone could have done to Bundy. He was 42 years old when executed. Had he been executed five years earlier, at the age of 37, he would have gone straight to Heaven, and he did not deserve that.
>As it turns out, Bundy was one of the signs God has given us to confirm that anyone who dies before 40 goes to Heaven. Bundy’s name, Theodore Robert Bundy, consists of 19 letters, and he confessed to killing 19 women just one day before his execution. There were many other signs from God.

It's not numerology. The claim that numbers have meaning is not being made. The claim that is being made is that 19 is the number God chose to insert in the Quran, for several purposes that you're already aware of, and He chose that number for several reasons, for example, it is obviously a prime number, also, 1 and 9 are the only numbers which are the same in almost every language, and it also signifies one of God's attributes, Him being the Alpha and the Omega.
This is the same reason why saying, 'God said so' - is not circular reasoning, so long as God exists (and He does, it's proven.)
That's like asking what's the name of a little girl, and you know exactly what it is to begin with, since her father said so... The Lord decides everything.
Saying 'this is the best possible world' is not a moral evasion so long as the statement is correct, which is what's important here.
Read above what I typed, All under 40 do go to Heaven.
Morality cannot come from anything other than God Himself, because He is the only being which deserves to exist, He is worthy of All Praise. Period.
The reason why one should believe the Quran is revealed by God, is due to the indisputable proof embedded within it - one of the Great Miracles, the Mathematical Miracle of the Quran.
The question 'why does a loving deity permit maximal suffering' is not only a loaded question containing a rejection of God within it, implying that this world is bad, but it is also a conjecture. Saying that God is 'a deity' is not doing Him Justice, since, in actuality, He is the only deity. This makes your elaboration highly disrespectful and therefore not due for a response to begin with.
Your other question is also a loaded question, because every facet of this world resembles purposeful design.

Let me be extremely clear.
You don’t get to declare a belief true simply because you assert God exists “and He does, it’s proven.”

Where’s the proof?
Where’s the evidence?
Why is the number 19 meaningful?
Why is it not just your interpretation?
Why should anyone believe that arbitrary patterns in a book indicate supernatural authorship?

If morality “cannot come from anything other than God,” then you still have to demonstrate that God exists.
Otherwise all you’ve done is move the burden of proof onto thin air.

 

[THULSA COON]

>Early in 1989 a man by the name of Theodore Robert Bundy was executed for killing a number of women. The whole nation agreed that he was one of the most vicious criminals in history. So much so that his execution was one of the rare occasions where the opponents of capital punishment did not protest. On the contrary, many people actually celebrated his execution. Numerous journalists, editorials, and politicians lamented the fact that justice took eleven years to execute Ted Bundy. They stated that Bundy should have been executed within a maximum of six years after his conviction. According to the Quran, this would have been the greatest favor anyone could have done to Bundy. He was 42 years old when executed. Had he been executed five years earlier, at the age of 37, he would have gone straight to Heaven, and he did not deserve that.
>As it turns out, Bundy was one of the signs God has given us to confirm that anyone who dies before 40 goes to Heaven. Bundy’s name, Theodore Robert Bundy, consists of 19 letters, and he confessed to killing 19 women just one day before his execution. There were many other signs from God.

It's not numerology. The claim that numbers have meaning is not being made. The claim that is being made is that 19 is the number God chose to insert in the Quran, for several purposes that you're already aware of, and He chose that number for several reasons, for example, it is obviously a prime number, also, 1 and 9 are the only numbers which are the same in almost every language, and it also signifies one of God's attributes, Him being the Alpha and the Omega.
This is the same reason why saying, 'God said so' - is not circular reasoning, so long as God exists (and He does, it's proven.)
That's like asking what's the name of a little girl, and you know exactly what it is to begin with, since her father said so... The Lord decides everything.
Saying 'this is the best possible world' is not a moral evasion so long as the statement is correct, which is what's important here.
Read above what I typed, All under 40 do go to Heaven.
Morality cannot come from anything other than God Himself, because He is the only being which deserves to exist, He is worthy of All Praise. Period.
The reason why one should believe the Quran is revealed by God, is due to the indisputable proof embedded within it - one of the Great Miracles, the Mathematical Miracle of the Quran.
The question 'why does a loving deity permit maximal suffering' is not only a loaded question containing a rejection of God within it, implying that this world is bad, but it is also a conjecture. Saying that God is 'a deity' is not doing Him Justice, since, in actuality, He is the only deity. This makes your elaboration highly disrespectful and therefore not due for a response to begin with.
Your other question is also a loaded question, because every facet of this world resembles purposeful design.

Calling skepticism “disrespectful” is a tactic, not a rebuttal.

@Raidilliam avoids answering:
• No textual evidence for the “under 40 go to Heaven” doctrine
• No empirical evidence for divine authorship
• No coherent explanation for suffering
• No demonstration that numerology = proof
• No resolution for why a perfect being needs linguistic mathematics to authenticate itself

Instead, he declares contradictory ideas as absolute truth purely by authority.

Authority is not evidence.
Numbers are not evidence.
Assertions are not evidence.

If the best defense of a worldview is to invent doctrines, reframe coincidences as miracles, and forbid honest questions on grounds of “disrespect,” then the worldview is not being defended it’s being shielded from scrutiny.

 

[Xul]

Rope faggot nigger mudslime

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

sounds like cope to me

It's truth
Give your life to Jesus

 

[xxectrapieces]

It's truth
Give your life to Jesus

When he makes life for us worth living

 

[currycell900]

dnw as soon as i saw quran

 

[currycell900]

It's truth
Give your life to Jesus

he nailed me to a cross now wtf i do

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

When he makes life for us worth living

He will in paradise in the world to come !!!

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

he nailed me to a cross now wtf i do

Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and rose from the dead and you will be saved.

Romans 10:9

 

[xxectrapieces]

He will in paradise in the world to come !!!

First quartile

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

First quartile

??

 

[currycell900]

Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and rose from the dead and you will be saved.

Romans 10:9

 

[Jackdenswell]

I wish to be as delusional as you

What's stopping you? You realise this is all that ever exists, right? You just need a reality check and differentiate between reality and fiction. This is it. Nothing else exists except this universe. This is why our actions hold weight. We also got the discernment to realise that if there is no God, then everything coincidentally sticks together and came together just by chance. Also need to realise you havent died yet so this is why you can't judge for real if god is real or not, this is deeper than you think.

 

[THULSA COON]

Give your life to Christ and win a free PlayStation 5 Pro!

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

It's true ,confess that to the Lord and be saved !

 

[DeathIsNear888]

I wish to be as delusional as you

There is definitely a creator but it's not the Bible god I think this is a vast experiment regarding consciousness, freewill, and experience maybe.

 

[DeathIsNear888]

I feel the same way.

Yeah let's say hell exist me and the devil will dethrone God for all the suffering he's caused and there be another great war. The real devil is in heaven.

 

[AtlasVmad]

>he can't be provable or disprovable
Holy centrist make up a fucking opinion

 

[1Disturbed]

Holy centrist make up a fucking opinion

Huh?

 

[AtlasVmad]

Huh?

Clicked quote instead of reply to someone