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Why are you sure of that paradigm ?
So you are saying all social alphas go to heaven and all socially stunted people go hell ,do you have evidence for that theory ?
So you are saying all social alphas go to heaven and all socially stunted people go hell ,do you have evidence for that theory ?
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Indeed praise Jesus
You're the one whose heart has blackened, the animals deserve it since the Heavenly society split off billions of years ago, God said so, and again, the reason we are bad boils down to God, you don't believe in God so it doesn't matter what I tell you, you will continue to idolize your own "lack of suffering" ideology or whatever. Believing doesn't mean kneeling down to God by the way, every creation of His does that by default/anyway, believing is when you willingly, voluntarily kneel down.
I'm saying none of your points are logically tied to anything, sorry. The most important part is, if you've witnessed the Mathematical Miracle of the Quran, whether you believe in God after that point or not. If you believe in Him, you'll naturally come to realise (if you are granted intelligence) how horrible it is to claim things such as that He has a son on earth, that He has a mother or father, these things are so horrible as to warrant Hell and if you don't believe you simply won't connect the dots to understand why. I'm just telling you so you quit making a fool of yourself, for your own good, you can put down all your defenses since no man will ever convince you to believe or not to believe, there is no compulsion in religion (2:256).
Lies attributed to him by the Arabs who worshipped him.
who created the creator
The Bible and the Torah are edited; the Quran is the only unedited word of God from now until the end of this world. The Quran states explicitly the original sin *was not Adam and Eve eating the apple*, it was precisely choosing to be either a) complicit with Satan (the devils), b) remaining faithful to God (the angels), c) choosing Satan and then choosing to repent when given the chance (the animals), and d) being undecided (the humans.)
Oh nigga please all scientific miracles of the quran are fake
Embryology: wrong and stolen from the Greeks
Seas not mixing : salt and fresh water do mix just slower the verse is talking about fresh and salt water being separated by land according to tafsir
Ozone layers : the quran claims stars are in the first heaven if this was about the ozone the stars would literally be under the clouds
Quran is bullshit all your miracles are fake and you simply read science into it and try to make it fit
Embryology: wrong and stolen from the Greeks
Seas not mixing : salt and fresh water do mix just slower the verse is talking about fresh and salt water being separated by land according to tafsir
Ozone layers : the quran claims stars are in the first heaven if this was about the ozone the stars would literally be under the clouds
Quran is bullshit all your miracles are fake and you simply read science into it and try to make it fit
hm, where are you from then?
Just so you know even far away as the .is there's Christians who know your shitty little book
They call me shiek. Sheik yerbooti
Exactly, it is scientifically proven that the earth was created in six nights and six days:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbrEKErf-cA
He's grasping at everything to try to stick to his idols he thinks will save him, in this case he thinks being ugly somehow will save him even if he is serving fuel in the eternal Fire for those above, in Heaven... The Lord willing, you will understand the irony of it.
No, praise God. Jesus, Muhammad, Mary, Saint Francis, Abraham, Noah, Adam, the celebrities, the ego, the material pleasures, your parents, your children, your relatives, your comfort, are all idols set up for you by Satan.
There is only one miracle in the Quran, and that is the Mathematical Miracle. It is the only indisputable proof. All the other proofs are disputable, however they still hold weight on their own, toward strengthening your faith. Stop being a fool, I don't even understand your animosity toward the Quran, if you ever seriously read it you'd understand it's a good book, it is complete and fully detailed (6:114), independent from the Hadiths, which are written by Satan.
Even some of the best debaters you have as Muslims like your little retarded friend
So that verse says it's fully detailed but another says that other verses aren't detailed and only allah knows their meaning? Which is it?
After Mohammed debated the Christians of nadjran about the verse in which it says Jesus was Rukh/ spirit of allah blown into Mary
He then sent down the verse saying there's verses that are detailed and others that only allah understands
Nice contradiction ya ummi
Who?
Just say God in English, Allah just means God but in Arabic. The Quran is fully detailed, but God explicitly commanded the prophet Muhammad not to explain even a single verse to anyone, because He planned to send other messengers after Muhammad (the last prophet - but not the last messenger) and after that, it's all finally explained.
Jesus indeed had no father, that does not mean God had a spouse such as Mary and came inside her, to suggest such a thing is horrible.
Quran 3:7 literally says that there are verses only allah knows
Stop committing biddah
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Nobody ever said God has a spouse what I said is your quran says Jesus is a spirit /Rukh blown from allah into Mary actually while the Bible doesn't say anything like that your Quran specifically says in Arabic that allah blew through her vagina vulva
This is all edited in English where the verse says jesus was a word from allah send through the angel Gabriel (the words angel, Gabriel, word) never appear in the Arabic and the word Rukh exclusively means spirit
That is simply your pagan antropromorphic view of God there's another verse that says "how can allah have a son if he has no wife" Well can allah being all powerful not have a son without a wife?
I'm not, also you don't even believe in biddah I think or whatever, like you're not a Muslim, or at best, you're a Muslim Christian so why do you think using arguments that wouldn't work on you necessarily will work on me.
Obviously there are verses only God knows? What is the point you are making? Understanding the Quran only comes from God willing it, and He only grants it to the sincere.
Because I'm holding you true to your own book you can't tell me the quran is fully detailed when the quran says some verses aren't fully detailed AND NOT ONE PERSON NOT EVEN MOHAMMED UNDERSTANDS THEM
I'm Orthodox btw what I believe doesn't mean I can't call you out on biddah
That's like me arguing for Christianity but I contradict the bible and make shit up as I go
And when you tell me "wait that's heretical" I just tell you "well there's no heresy in islam"
I could be a purple jewish elephant and you'd still be doing biddah
[21:91] As for the one who maintained her virginity, we blew into her from our spirit, and thus, we made her and her son a portent for the whole world.
What is not clear, God chose Jesus to be a warning for this world.
I'm just saying implying that the Greatest, the being which holds seven universes within one hand and this being the innermost one, to imply that this being has a son who is a speck of a speck of a speck of a speck on a tiny piece of land in this innermost of the seven universes He is able to hold in his hand (as an allegory of his Greatness), this is horrible.
Muhammad understands the Quran, again, he was just prohibited from telling it to the others, in fact he explicitly received the words of God directly, since he was a prophet anyway, how could he not understand it. If you're talking about some verses, even if no one except God understands them, the intention is to reveal their meaning eventually, the point being that they are still written into the Quran, so all of the details are fully in there, and the book is complete.
I'm not particularly impressed. Hey, no matter what I believe, I can call you out on being arrogant, since that goes against your religion.
The Bible and the Torah are edited texts.
There is, most people commit heresy by following the Hadiths for example, which is already a grave mistake, since they were written by Satan.
I'm not doing biddah. Get over it.
Wether it's horrible to say or not doesn't change wether God can do it
If God is all powerful he should be able to do all things by himself this includes having a son
When your allah says "how can he(allah)have a son when he has no consort" He's saying he needs a wife to have a son
Mohammed didn't understand all of the quran 3:7 literally says "NO ONE KNOWS THEIR MEANING"
The bible and Torah are edited? When and by who? Because your quran doesn't say that not once
Being any verse that says it I will destroy you with its tafsir
"Woe to those that write the book with their own hands"??? The verse before says these people don't know the scripture and they are illiterate all they write is speculation so it can't be that they are changing the text
Any verse bring it on
My dear Muslim friend I know islam like the palm of my own hand
Anything you can bring up ive already seen and I've already disproven
They don't call me shiek for nothing
Anything you can bring up ive already seen and I've already disproven
They don't call me shiek for nothing
The quran mentions other scriptures clearly many times many times it confirms them and mohamemd even stoned two jews judging them according to the Torah
The quran literally says "so let the Christians judge by what has been revealed to them"
The quran literally says "so let the Christians judge by what has been revealed to them"
The Lord wouldn't do such a thing.
It is an irrevocable law that God will not do, for example, sin, so He would never order Abraham to kill his own son, etcetera, there are a plethora of things God simply will not do, He will not strike you down with lightning because you asked him to prove His existence, that does not happen.
I don't intend to argue with you, except in the nicest possible manner.
[3:7] He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses – which constitute the essence of the scripture – as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning thereof except God and those well founded in knowledge. They say, “We believe in this – all of it comes from our Lord.” Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.
>except God *and those well founded in knowledge.*
The Quran doesn't need to tell you which hairbrush to buy, you can just look that up. So inserting random irrelevant things into it is not a criteria for it to be complete and fully detailed.
I'm not going to respond, you are being overly defensive.
The Torah was edited by Satan. The original Torah, as revealed by God, was Perfectly good and Just, same as God.
Actually the verse doesn't say those of knowledge know it it says "those of knowledge say we believe in all of
what was revealed" It literally says they blindly believe it re read the verse
You just told me all of the quran is fully detailed 5 minutes before now you're telling me it's not and there's confusing verses?
Exactly my point proven
Again it doesn't matter if allah will or won't do it right
My question is CAN HE if allah wanted to could he have a son
Because he says NO IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR HE HAS NO CONSORT
therefore according to himself allah can't have kids not simply because it doesn't befit him but also because he cannot do it by himself
So when was it edited by Satan? Because mohamemd judged by the Torah and said "I believe in you and the one who revealed you" So it must have been edited after?
Except we have copies of the Torah before Mohammed that are the same as today???
You are using the wrong translation then. And no, your point is not proven. Slow down.
It is impossible, in general, for God to have a human son, all of the creatures are just that, creations of God, He created Adam from mud for example.
Wrong translation lol? Okay let me send the tafsir for it and we see who the scholars agree with yeah? Cause they agree with me
After.
>Yes, copies of the Torah exist that predate Muhammad, and they are similar to the copies used today, although they are not identical due to scribal variations over centuries.
Why do you lie, I'm done.
Let's not, I don't wish to argue.
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Sorry.
[29:46] Do not argue with the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) except in the nicest possible manner – unless they transgress – and say, “We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is one and the same; to Him we are submitters.
Al jalalayn explanation, and none knows its interpretation, its explanation, save God, Him alone. And those firmly rooted, established and capable, in knowledge (al-rāsikhūna fī’l-‘ilm is the subject, the predicate of which is [what follows]) say, ‘We believe in it, the allegorical part, that it is from God, and we do not know its meaning
Your quran also says I'm the worst of creatures and that my beliefs that Jesus is Lord if mixed with the ocean would pollute all of it so why should I be nice?
Mohammed insulted a little orphan girl saying he hopes she doesn't advance in ages so why should I be kind to you guys?
There are many wrong translations for the Quran, just as there are for the Bible, in both cases you need to use the Authorized English Version.
Authorized lol? The noble quran is the most popular english translation and it constantly edits the English
I know of one bible translation that does something similar being the ESV where it makes it seem like rape is only punishable by paying the father of the woman money
I will leave you be now I hope you can look into the bible the way I've looked into the quran
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Where? And I agree with the second part (assuming it's written in the Quran and not Hadiths or somewhere else) that conflating the creation with the Creator is a horrible misdeed. But I don't believe that the Quran says you're the worst of creatures until I see it.
[5:82] You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers. And you will find that the closest people in friendship to the believers are those who say, “We are Christian.” This is because they have priests and monks among them, and they are not arrogant.
[5:83] When they hear what was revealed to the messenger, you see their eyes flooding with tears as they recognize the truth therein, and they say, “Our Lord, we have believed, so count us among the witnesses.
That's a Hadith.
Indeed, those who disbelieve from the People of the Book and the polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, to stay there forever. They are the worst of ˹all˺ beings
And sure it's a Hadith but it's sahih and you also have to believe it because you follow both the Sunnah unless you're a shia?
Why don’t you go to speakers corner?
Meant to reply to another person
[98:6] Those who disbelieved among the people of the scripture, and the idol worshipers, have incurred the fire of Gehenna forever. They are the worst creatures.
Do you disagree with this? It's referring specifically to only the untruthful ones.
I heed only the Quran, although I am not a Quranist because, unlike them, I believe that the religious rituals were passed down through prophet Abraham as a practical tradition from generation to generation until today, independently of the Quran, and independently of the Hadith. However, because one can find all the details of those rituals in the Quran, that still keeps them within the Quran alone doctrine.
So no, I'm neither Sunni, nor a Shia.
He doesn't exist, or he is evil, or the isn't omnipotent, Choose one.
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