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Brutal Surgerymaxxing is low IQ

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People who get surgeries to get foids can’t see the forest for the trees. Surgeries cost 10s of thousands of dollars. On top of that, you still won’t get free sex, because no sex is free. You still will have to jestermax and spend money on dates in order to get sex. And even then, it’s not guaranteed. Most of you have probably been isolated for so long that your social skills are beyond repair.

On the other hand, you could just spend that money to fuck escorts. I saw someone say they were gonna spend 20k on LL surgery. 20k will get you 133 hours with gigastacy, which is probably more fucking than you will ever do in your life. 285 hours with HTB. Probably if you ever did get a foid, she would be ugly and you would have a dead bedroom, so this is literally a better use of your money. And you also don’t have to waste a bunch of time jestermaxxing and going on dates.

And don’t even say you are surgerymaxxing because you want love JFL. If she didn’t love you before you surgerymaxxed, she doesn’t “love” you after JFL.
 
@BlkPillPres
 
It had to be you.
Really? You want incels to give their money to whores instead of spending it on their surgeries?
Reminding you that this is what got us in this mess in the first place.
You are no better than any fucking simp. Man this is sad.

You will never EVER have real sex with a "gigastacy". They cheat you out of your money.
Then you have nothing left.
Sex with a whore is no sex at all, it is an illusion. You can stick your penis in a condom and that's it.

At any rate, in any circumstance, we MUST prevent foids getting rich by using their sexuality.
It cannot be bargained with.
 
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I'd rather have free sex with a low tier becky than fuck a giga stacy prostitute
 
I need bimax (Le Fort1+BSSO+CCW+mentoplasty). Also need to fix my bite before that. Those aren't plastic surgeries, except mentoplasty. Yet it will also improve one's looks (not to mention the quality of life).
But even if we're talking about LL surgery or, say, rhinoplasty, or otoplasty, they're not worthless at all. It's just all about money. If you can afford them, then go ahead. Besides, looks matter everywhere, it's not like looks are important when it comes to dating only.
 
Even if it's not for foids.

I rather just do it for myself. The fact that you have to be short balding or ugly is terrible.

It's the equivalent to keeping your phone cracked and not getting it fixed. Or leaving bird shit on your T shirt and not cleaning it.

Your looks are why you are happy anyway.
 
Sex is guaranteed for Chad's either, even they have to put in minimal effort, but unless you're born lucky (female or Chad) you always have to put in a lot of effort and surgerymaxxing helps.
 
@BlkPillPres
I've talked about this before, but I never made a thread.
Surgerymaxxing is for ironically for brainlets, 9/10 any surgery you get won't make much of a difference and you'll probably still get cheated on and cucked by Chad, and that's if you even get a date, because a woman can easily access a man who looks better without a surgery than you look after your surgery

"Ascension" is a meme, it doesn't exist, its an endless uphill battle that you will more likely lose than win

You'd have significantly better success in dating, by getting an online job that pays US dollars and simply moving to thailand or the phillipines or something (especially if you are white)

You'd get dates as if you got multiple amazing surgeries without ever even having to pay for a surgery
 
Your looks are why you are happy anyway.
1. No, you're happy because you have access to food, water, shelter, entertainment, and various other modern conveniences. If someone took all of that shit away and all you had were your looks, you wouldn't be as "happy" as you are now.

2. Happiness is vague and subjective, and should never be used as a metric for judging the the value of the decisions you make in life.

There are cuckolds that are genuinely happy. Being happy doesn't mean you made a logical choice that benefits you.
 
Giving money to degenerate foids to feed themselves with just enables them even more.

Trash advice.
 
You will never EVER have real sex with a "gigastacy". They cheat you out of your money.
Then you have nothing left.
I did. She is a literal Instagram and tiktok model. It was 150e
Then you have nothing left.
Sex with a whore is no sex at all, it is an illusion. You can stick your penis in a condom and that's it
Gigacope. You can usually pay extra for condomless sex
 
Giving money to degenerate foids to feed themselves with just enables them even more.

Trash advice.
Really? You want incels to give their money to whores instead of spending it on their surgeries?
So you’d rather get a shittier deal than just give money to whores? This is actually foid worship in disguise. Foid hate and foid worship is the same thing. If you are going out of your way just for them, it’s foid worship
 
I mean if you're ugly and have obvious problems with your appearance and if they can be fixed through surgeries, then it will always be beneficial.
 
Always do the exact opposite of what OP is saying :feelsokman:
 
Even if it's not for foids.

I rather just do it for myself. The fact that you have to be short balding or ugly is terrible
I mean if you're ugly and have obvious problems with your appearance and if they can be fixed through surgeries, then it will always be beneficial.
I need bimax (Le Fort1+BSSO+CCW+mentoplasty). Also need to fix my bite before that. Those aren't plastic surgeries, except mentoplasty. Yet it will also improve one's looks (not to mention the quality of life).
But even if we're talking about LL surgery or, say, rhinoplasty, or otoplasty, they're not worthless at all. It's just all about money. If you can afford them, then go ahead. Besides, looks matter everywhere, it's not like looks are important when it comes to dating only.
[UWSL]Yeah, it’s not ideal. But most things in life aren’t ideal. To spend 10s of thousands of dollars on surgery just “for yourself” is retarded. Either you are wasting money or just coping saying you don’t want it for foids. Because if not for foids, the benefits don’t outweigh the cost (unless it is causing you health problems) You can easily just practice self acceptance for free. Maybe stop spending so much time on here and looksmax if it’s bothering you.[/UWSL]
It's the equivalent to keeping your phone cracked and not getting it fixed. Or leaving bird shit on your T shirt and not cleaning it.
fixing my phone doesn’t cost 20k or more
 
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Because if not for foids, the benefits don’t outweigh the cost (unless it is causing you health problems) You can easily just practice self acceptance for free. Maybe stop spending so much time on here and looksmax if it’s bothering you.
Well. Tbh, I also want to be treated better by society. Being better-looking can help one to get a job more easily, for example.
I realize surgeries can make me a 5/10 at best if I get very lucky. Thus, I'd just become another average dude. But the difference between a 5/10 (even a 4/10) and a 3/10 is enormous.
 
If I surgarymax with something like LL it will be mostly to get have a kid with women would be in my improve looksmax; I think the kid would be better genetically like way taller (I notice women over 5'8 tends to have taller kids for instance).

Besides, you get treated better from the halo effect from the improved looks so surgery if possible isn't useless like others said above.
The better treatment is lifefuel from the halo effect.
 
"Ascension" is a meme, it doesn't exist,
True.

If you grew up ugly, isolated, lonely and sexless you're forever "orphaned by the teenage loves you never had" as Houellebecq wrote in "Whatever".

Without "teenage love", an incel lacks a social, sexual, psychological basis for developing relationships as a young adult.

Without young adult relationships, an incel lacks the skills for developing mature relationships all through life.

No "teenage love" means you're developmentally arrested. If you don't find a "starter relationship" in your early 20's you'll likely never get those skills, because teenage girls are unlikely to associate with a man in his late 20's and women of his age bracket are unlikely to be willing to guide an inexperienced man in his late 20's through the steps of having his first relationship, put up with his blunders, etc. Foids expect a man in this age to LEAD the relationship, even if she is the one that approaches the guy. Worse: even if the foid wanted to try, she wouldn't be capable of playing naïve and wouldn't be as forgiving and coy would as a teenager. It's not really neurologically possible to pretend you never played a game once you've played it for 10 years or more as any foid in her 20's has.

I've read here on .is a dozen stories of incels here being hit up by foids in bars, parties etc. in a clearly sexual manner, with sexual innuendo, and even direct references to sex in an explicitly interested manner, but the incel didn't have the malice and the cunning to navigate her shit-tests and steer the interaction in a way that leads to sex or relationship and lost his chance. And these incels will keep losing such chances as they present themselves to him through life, because they did not have ANY relationships so far with which to develop their witty responses and social skills.

That's why the "teenage love" pill is so brutal. It's a form of arrested development.

tl;dr: no surgery for your lost teenage days.

Best to spend this money on a single regular hooker, so she teaches you certain interpersonal skills as you both get more familiarized, or a sugar babies to be your girlfriend-for-hire so you develop these social skills.

Unless your face is clearly deformed, you would not benefit much from spending money on surgeries.
 
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Giving money to degenerate foids to feed themselves with just enables them even more.
Enables them to do what?

You guys are never specific about this, it just seems like you are being childish and starving yourself of sex "out of spite", but that's you coping and not realizing that you can't impact a woman's life, simply by not giving her the $100 that she'll get from another guy.

I don't think you get how this works. There's a set amount of "slots" each day, a set amount of customers a whore will fuck each day, and for escorts that's even more set in stone (with whores who work in brothels that's more a result of "daily traffic" than setting a personal limit).

Let me get to the point. If you aren't her customer, there's already another guy waiting in line to take your place. Your "boycott" didn't make a difference, you only deprived yourself of sex, you didn't impact her life at all.

Stop coping and being delusional.

BOYCOTTS ONLY WORK WHEN YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS TO IMPACT A BUSINESS. OUTSIDE OF THAT, YOU ARE JUST DEPRIVING YOURSELF OF QUALITY SERVICES.
 
So you’d rather get a shittier deal than just give money to whores? This is actually foid worship in disguise. Foid hate and foid worship is the same thing. If you are going out of your way just for them, it’s foid worship
You just said that you paid 150 euro for having sex with an instagram model.
So that is not foid worship?
Dude, your logic is flawed.
 
True.

If you grew up ugly, isolated, lonely and sexless you're forever "orphaned by the teenage loves you never had" as Houellebecq wrote in "Whatever".

Without "teenage love", an incel lacks a social, sexual, psychological basis for developing relationships as a young adult.

Without young adult relationships, an incel lacks the skills for developing mature relationships all through life.

No "teenage love" means you're developmentally arrested. If you don't find a "starter relationship" in your early 20's you'll likely never get those skills, because teenage girls are unlikely to associate with a man in his late 20's and women of his age bracket are unlikely to be willing to guide an inexperienced men in his late 20's through the steps of having his first relationship, put up with his blunders, etc. Even if the foid wanted to try, she wouldn't be capable of playing naïve and wouldn't be as forgiving and coy would as a teenager. It's not really neurologically possible to pretend you never played a game once you've played it for 10 years or more as any foid in her 20's has.

I've read here on .is a dozen stories of incels here being hit up by foids in bars, parties etc. in a clearly sexual manner, with innuendo, and even direct references to sex in a obviously interested manner, but the incel didn't have the malice and the cunning to navigate her shit-tests and steer the interaction in a way that leads to sex or relationship and lost the chance. And these incels will keep losing such chances as they present themselves to him through life, because they did not have ANY relationships so far with which to develop their witty responses and social skills.

That's why the "teenage love" pill is so brutal. It's a form of arrested development.

tl;dr: no surgery for your lost teenage days.
Reminds me of the thread I made about what "It's Over" really means to me. Its directly related to this phenomenon:
 
So you’d rather get a shittier deal than just give money to whores? This is actually foid worship in disguise. Foid hate and foid worship is the same thing. If you are going out of your way just for them, it’s foid worship
I will not enable trash cans. Never ever.

And you are very low iq and degenerate.
 
Your "boycott" didn't make a difference, you only deprived yourself of sex, you didn't impact her life at all.

Stop coping and being delusional.

BOYCOTTS ONLY WORK WHEN YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS TO IMPACT A BUSINESS. OUTSIDE OF THAT, YOU ARE JUST DEPRIVING YOURSELF OF QUALITY SERVICES.
Deprived of sex? Deprived of "quality services"?
Who is delusional? The whore won't give you the type of sex she has with Chad, if you think that whores give you quality service, you're beyond delusional. That's insane.
Whores want you to finish as soon as possible to scam you out of your money.
And no, "condomless" sex is very rare and the premium price associated with it is for most people a months wage.
 
I've read here on .is a dozen stories of incels here being hit up by foids in bars, parties etc. in a clearly sexual manner, with innuendo, and even direct references to sex in a obviously interested manner, but the incel didn't have the malice and the cunning to navigate her shit-tests and steer the interaction in a way that leads to sex or relationship and lost the chance. And these incels will keep losing such chances as they present themselves to him through life, because they did not have ANY relationships so far with which to develop their witty responses and social skills.
Those aren't incels though.
 
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Btw, lower third is important, it noticeably influences one's looks. Though if your eye area and nose are fucked-up, you'll still be below average.
 
Look at these stupid brainlet cucks kek.
That's the exception to the rule of extreme conditions, don't be disingenuous and pretend like the average guy on this site talking about surgery even has the conditions any of those guys has. Most incels are average looking. Literally every image I've received to be rated was an average looking guy who was just over-exaggerating how ugly he was because he's been consuming too many memes.
I think surgerymaxxing is for retards (with an exception)

Unless you have something that is obvious and needs to be fixed (like a cleft palate) then you are wasting your money doing surgeries on yourself

That shit is going to catch up to you in old age, especially the leg lengthening surgery


Having a girlfriend is never cheaper than fucking an escort (depends on the escort though)

You have to feed her, clothe her, buy her gifts, pay her bills, etc (its like raising a child that you fuck :feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek:)

In the long run paying for it is cheaper (again, depends on what you are buying)

If you somehow got a cheap GF who likes going to regular restaurants to eat, and doesn't care much about jewelry and showing off, then yeah that would be a good deal, but how many women do you think are like that?

Women are the most vain and shallow between the sexes

They chose to fix their problem instead of uprooting their entire lives
What lives?, that's a cope, they had existences not lives, and they are clinging to merely existing with some modern comforts. They didn't have lives before those surgeries and they still won't have lives after. Those guys will ironically just end up being betabuxxers in this modern era. All that effort to still pay for, as you put it, some "gold-digging whore".

That's the point you seem to be missing, at the end of the day ALL MEN ARE PAYING, and men who date and get married are paying way more than what it's worth.

moving to a foreign third-world shithole, and then getting cucked by some turbo poor gold-digging whore. IDIOTS :lul:
Your ancestors were living in much worse circumstances than what exists in any third world country I'm talking about (which are actually well known high tier tourist destinations btw, so they must be really terrible lol).

So why would you give a fuck?.

If you are telling my being able to play PS5 games and group chat with a bunch of random guys online appeals to you more than chillin on a beach, surrounded by beauty and nature, surrounded by beautiful women, some of which have realistic standards, and being able to actually enjoy REAL LIFE, I don't know what to tell you.

I can't imagine whatever it is you are thinking about, that's so great about 1st world countries, that you'd be missing out on if you moved to Thailand, or Colombia.

PLEASE TELL ME (I'M SERIOUS).

What are these great things that you can't live without, that you'd lose out on if you moved to a 3rd world country where you actually had a chance to get laid and/or start your own family without great risk of divorce or being cuckolded by other men? .

Imagine actually recommending people become pay pigs for third worlders lol. Anyone who listens to your inane babblings deserves their fate.
I think you need to google the cost of living in these countries and the rates for prostitution.

The poverty line in America is 12K a year. With just 18K a year from a remote job that pays US income, you could live like a King in any of the countries I'm talking about. Sex is very very cheap, everything is cheap.

That income is also LESS THAN 50% of what the average man in the US makes. So you could literally live like a king, with peasant level income, but no, I'm the crazy one :feelskek:.

Idiots like you let your ego cloud your judgement, you can't even tell sense from nonsense.

What life do any of you guys even really have that you are clinging to so strongly?. What you are clinging too are delusions and whatever perceived success you hope to possibly gain the future on random chance.

"Maybe one day I'll ascend with the white woman of my dreams and I can treat all this incel stuff as "a phase" from the past"
:feelskek::feelskek::feelskek:

Yeah, good luck with that. The stats aren't really on your side though.
 
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Looking to pander towards women's lookism, considering hypergamy, gives me the impression of trying to cure an addict by giving them more of what the person's addicted to.
 
Looking to pander towards women's lookism, considering hypergamy, gives me the impression of trying to cure an addict by giving them more of what the person's addicted to.
They are trying to take the "if you can't beat them, join them" approach, but they are forgetting that women's standards are insatiable and always increasing.

At the swipe of a finger a woman can have access to men that mog whatever looks you attained through surgeries. All that effort to still get cucked and be seen as an "inferior option". They will be left on the back burner until she's finished riding the cock carousel, and then she'll give them the privilege of taking care of her.

The juice just isn't worth the squeeze.

Locationmaxxing is just more convenient and beneficial than surgerymaxxing in every way possible.
 
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They are trying to take the "if you can't beat them, join them" approach, but they are forgetting that women's standards are insatiable and always increasing.

At the swipe of a finger a woman can have access to men that mog whatever looks you attained through surgeries. All that effort to still get cucked and be seen as an "inferior option". They will be left on the back burner until she's finished riding the cock carousel, and then she'll give them the privilege of taking care of her.

The juice just isn't worth the squeeze.

Locationmaxxing is just more convenient and beneficial that surgerymaxxing in every way possible.
Although I don't agree with locationmaxxing, you're 100% correct, surgerymaxxing is generally not worth it. The surgeries we need to drastically increase our looks are out of our reach.

Of course, this is all just hypothetical for 99% of users, but you'd need 3-5 surgeries as LTM (Low tier normie) guy in his early 20s to reap any reward.
 
Although I don't agree with locationmaxxing
Why?

I'm 5'7" with a 5 inch penis. There is no way I have much of a chance in the West.

But in a country like Thailand, the average woman's height is 5'2", the average man's height is my height, and the average man's penis size is 4.5 Inches.

So by default I mog the average man's penis size there.

It's a simple strategy, it's common sense really. Go where you have an advantage.

Notice I didn't even point out taking advantage of the exchange rate of US dollars if you have a remote job.

This kind of strategy can't even be compared to spending thousands upon thousands of dollars to carve up your face, only to still have to compete against men that mog you.

Surgerymaxxing isn't even a strategy, it's just plain old gambling.
 
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At the swipe of a finger a woman can have access to men that mog whatever looks you attained through surgeries. All that effort to still get cucked and be seen as an "inferior option". They will be left on the back burner until she's finished riding the cock carousel, and then she'll give them the privilege of taking care of her.

The juice just isn't worth the squeeze.
Agreed. Maybe it was a viable approach, to a certain degree, in a pre-tinder era, with women having a different dating pool and awareness.

If a person should actually need surgery for medical reasons, then that's one thing. Doing it to satisfy women is a waste. It seems like the makeup dynamic women do for chad, but for men. Except that makeup won't leave you a cripple without the ability to run should it be done wrong.

I feel that women are capable (and likely) of rejecting men solely on the knowledge that a man had to go through surgery to appease her, opposed to a natural look

But maybe not as it may be something that indicates wealth
 
I feel that women are capable (and likely) of rejecting men solely on the knowledge that a man had to go through surgery to appease her, opposed to a natural look

But maybe not as it may be something that indicates wealth
Nah they will definitely leave you if they find out your looks aren't natural, because they don't want an ugly baby, they will naturally be repulsed by you now. I actually thought of this when I was typing my first response but I left it out because I thought that it was obviously implied that after you get the surgery you have to lie about it and pretend you were always that good looking.

I mean, if I took a magic pill that grew my dick by 3 inches, I wouldn't tell any woman it wasn't natural.
 
If I had the money to surgerymaxx knowing it’ll improve my looks, idc how painful it is, I’m willing to do it
 
You just said that you paid 150 euro for having sex with an instagram model.
So that is not foid worship?
Dude, your logic is flawed.
No it’s not. I only give my money to stacy, not just any foid.
 
I'd rather have free sex with a low tier becky than fuck a giga stacy prostitute
if you are paying 20k for surgery to get sex, is it really free? :feelsjuice:
 
if you are paying 20k for surgery to get sex, is it really free? :feelsjuice:
These are the guys that will take a woman out on a $200 dinner date, spend money for extra snacks, entertainment, transportation, etc, and then somehow use mental gymnastics to convince themselves all of that was a "free" interaction. Yeah it was free alright, free for the woman :feelskek:.

I really don't know where this "free sex" meme started off.

If sex was free, dating wouldn't even exist.
 
Being better looking will lead to better interactions with people of all sexes, more opportunities for career advancement, and generally better quality of life - including improving your self-esteem. The fact you may get sex is only one potential benefit
My problem with this is that it is anecdotal and impossible to prove. All of these things are hard to measure and really circumstantial. I think the only legit reason to get surgery is for health benefits. But ironically, a lot of surgeries people get to looksmax are actually risks. Especially limb lengthening. I think it's not worth a legit risk of being stuck in a wheelchair just to have better interactions with people.
 
Then why are you giving universally applicable advice to people it may not apply to?
"Why are you giving advice that applies to the majority of men on the website, you should give advice that will only be useful to 2% of people"

Did you think this over?

Imagine putting gold digging whore in scare quotes. This is some next level cuckoldry.
Do you not understand the point of quotes?

I literally just copied and pasted the text from your post and put it in quotes, because I quoted you lol.
getting cucked by some turbo poor gold-digging whore.
You are really just grasping for straws at this point, you clearly don't have an argument.


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Enjoy getting stabbed in your third world shit hole just to find some used up moon faced gook gold digger.
The murder rate in America is 142% greater than it is in Thailand, and I have to pay more to live here, while never getting to have sex, and barely being able to afford to live lol.

I can't believe that you thought posting some random image with no source or data was legitimate :feelskek:.

Also, crime rates differ from area to area, there are "rich" and safe areas in every country. Once again, if you are making just a mere 18K per year in US dollars through a remote job, you can live like a king in Thailand.

The truth many men refuse to accept is that for the vast majority inceldom is a passing phase.
Being an incel is the phase, the failure that comes from being an incel lasts a lifetime. They are just going to be betabuxxers and end up cucked, because they refuse to accept reality and "opt out of the game". You are ironically making fun of strategies that help men do exactly that.

Take any guy on this site that's struggling to get a date, drop him in Colombia, or the Dominican Republic, or the Philippines, or Thailand, etc, and give him a stable job that pays at least 18K a year (Only 6K above the US poverty line), and he will very likely be able to date a lot of women, have a sex life, have children and start a family one day, etc.

Let me guess what's next - "But she doesn't really love him, she's with him for his resources".

YOU MEAN LIKE PRETTY MUCH EVERY FUCKING WOMAN BEFORE WOMEN HAD RIGHTS, THAT WAS ONLY WITH AVERAGE GUYS FOR THE SAKE OF SURVIVAL?

Women were always dating and fucking average men for their resources, the only difference is that the men in the past got to conveniently live in delusion and cling to their egos. Women having rights today means that men have to take the same deal but this time without blinders on to shield their egos.

Men for the first time in history have to truly accept what relationships are and how little the average woman values the average man.

The problem is you guys want to keep both your ego AND have "a life" at the same time, like the men in the past. That era is over, it's time to accept the reality that RELATIONSHIPS ALWAYS HAVE BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE TRANSACTIONAL.

But I already know how most of you guys think and what you are going to do. All of you guys are going to remain stuck in your shitty life, because you can't get past your own egos. The truth is, most incels refuse to quit the game because they all think they have a chance of getting lucky and winning. The people who accept that they will always lose at the game, and instead play another game, are the ones that win in the end.

People like me and Emba (although a lot older) are rare here.
You guys are probably going to succumb to "standards attrition" and get some old used up bitch in her 30's lol.

So long as you remain in the West that is your likely fate. As time goes on you'll ironically care less and less about your ego, and feel more and more yearning for intimacy and relationships. Some offers will come your way and you won't reject all of them, because your standards will be stripped away over decades.
 
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Seems like a waste (surgery maxing)
 
Let me get to the point. If you aren't her customer, there's already another guy waiting in line to take your place. Your "boycott" didn't make a difference, you only deprived yourself of sex, you didn't impact her life at all.
Brutal
 

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