Serious Suffering does not build character

[Homegrownman326]

In a similar fashion to many of society's other copes, like "inner beauty matters more". Suffering to build character is just another myth. In fact, I'd say that it destroys it. You can be the most extroverted person, the life of the party, but have the most devastating injuries that lead to paralysis happen to you, and fall into a deep depression for the rest of your life. But that's an extreme example. I've suffered from mental health issues my entire life, I lost all my teenage years to it, and I'm as depressed as a man on his deathbed at this point. I used to be a happy child, loads of joy, and lots of willingness to go and play with my friends. Now I'm a shell, I have no friends at all, I'm extremely lonely, I have no meaning or purpose in my life, I'm an incel, and an addict. I've progressively lost all the characteristics that could've made me a pleasure to be around if I weren't ugly. Chad never had any suffering in his life; he never had to suffer. And people flock to worship him.

 

[paracletus]

truth nuke

 

[KetamineCel]

yeah now you say it, it’s a fallacy, it only really ever causes trauma and more suffering

 

[yeetbender_]

truth nuke

 

[wereq]

Suffering to build character is just another myth. In fact, I'd say that it destroys it.

Yeah it traumatizes you, breaks you down slowly till you have lost all ability to function and mere survival from day to day becomes an anxiety/panic inducing affair. Suffering disintegrates the mind and body over time.

 

[anon65]

Suffering does not build character, hard work and real accomplishments/rewards build character.

 

[Xul]

Experiencing physical pain also doesnt make pain easier, your nerves get a work out and become more sensitive.

 

[Qizarate]

There is no good damage, damage is just damage

 

[Homegrownman326]

Experiencing physical pain also doesnt make pain easier, your nerves get a work out and become more sensitive.

That's very interesting. I guess it's the body trying to remind you not to do whatever is causing the pain. Can you cite a source on that? I know I could look it up, but sometimes neat things like that are harder to find.

 

[Trident]

bullying, mockery made me high inhib

 

[Lifeless]

it just makes things worse

 

[Homegrownman326]

Suffering does not build character, hard work and real accomplishments/rewards build character.

Hard work implies suffering. Work should never be hard; in nature, hunting was much like going to the gym. It sorta sucks in the moment, but you feel good afterwards. Going to work just drains the soul out of you.

 

[Homegrownman326]

yeah now you say it, it’s a fallacy, it only really ever causes trauma and more suffering

Basically, every societal notion is false

 

[KetamineCel]

Basically, every societal notion is false

yeah you’re spot-on, Chad doesn’t experience suffering to the same caliber we do and so Chad’s definition of “suffering” (cant decide what particular whore to fuck that hour) is what “builds character” for him, they don’t experience it like us

 

[Qozumaki]

Being called ugly, made fun of etc only made me isolate myself and LDAR.

 

[Xul]

That's very interesting. I guess it's the body trying to remind you not to do whatever is causing the pain. Can you cite a source on that? I know I could look it up, but sometimes neat things like that are harder to find.

Its pretty well established

 

[anon65]

Hard work implies suffering. Work should never be hard; in nature, hunting was much like going to the gym. It sorta sucks in the moment, but you feel good afterwards. Going to work just drains the soul out of you.

Some hard work can be good 'suffering'. For example if you hypothetically spent a year building a cabin to live in in the woods, it would be very hard, but also rewarding to see in real time the fruits of your labor.

Modern work/jobs is nowhere near what I meant originally, and I agree that they are soul sucking. One reason for that is the machine (the company) will go on without you, whereas in nature or a natural environment, you are a creator and without you, the work would not be done.

Rambling and overexplaining but yeah.

 

[somalikingcel]

Suffering with a goal and a reward in end might build character but endless suffering with no goal inevitably breaks your psyche. I’d wager good portion of incels are one bad day away from having full on psychosis

 

[MRHK_57]

Suffering (to an extent) with meaning improves an individual, but suffering (to any extent) without a goal cripples the individual.

 

[Homegrownman326]

The death of God and the disenchantment of life have killed any chance of true meaning to exist. The death of God is talked about quite often, but the disenchantment runs even deeper. Human beings are by nature spiritual apes, not atheists like new atheists like to claim. I also got very mad hearing "in nature, human beings are atheists". My question then is, why would religion even spawn to begin with? The reality is that by default, human beings are rather spiritual. Tribes in nature engage with animism, ancestor worship, and panpsychism. Those are essentially the default mode for the majority of humans. My point here is that in the modern, secular, and physicalist world, we just can't create meaning anymore. I agree that I would break an arm and leg if I knew my actions meant something. Unfortunately, in modernity, it's not an option.

 

[yeetbender_]

Human beings are by nature spiritual apes, not (((atheists))) like new (((atheists))) like to claim. I also got very mad hearing "in nature, human beings are (((atheists)))". My question then is, why would religion even spawn to begin with? The reality is that by default, human beings are rather spiritual. Tribes in nature engage with animism, ancestor worship, and panpsychism. Those are essentially the default mode for the majority of humans. My point here is that in the (((modern))), (((secular))), and (((physicalist world))), we just can't create meaning anymore.

 

[The Chronicle]

Suffering builds down character.

 

[Emba]

Its pretty well established
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But it can go the other way to numbness, too. Or, "that constant dull roar" that you are so used to, that you can function in spite of it.

Experiencing physical pain also doesnt make pain easier, your nerves get a work out and become more sensitive.

In a work environment, yes.

That's very interesting. I guess it's the body trying to remind you not to do whatever is causing the pain.

This. If doing "X" hurts, stop doing "X.". However, that has it's own problems... Such as atrophy/weakness...

Can you cite a source on that? I know I could look it up, but sometimes neat things like that are harder to find.

You can find a study that supports almost anything if you look hard enough. Lol.

 

[reveries]

Suffering, given that you're not a cuck, pushes you towards discovering what's wrong with you, the world, and other truths, and towards fighting, which wouldn't have happened if you were just born a chad or a foid, so in that sense it does build a character.

 

[Emba]

Suffering does not build character, but struggle does.

Easy lives turn most people into assouls. It's why foids are so insufferable now.

But the dude that earned the thing, deserves the thing.

No pain - no gain, is temporarily reasonable. But, no torture no gain, is just fucked up.

It's actually a tough Philosophy consideration.

 

[Beck]

whats the point in suffering if you get nothing out of it

id rather continue my life being perpetually unfulfilled then be a depressed mess that kept attempting to talk to foids

 

[Homegrownman326]

Suffering, given that you're not a cuck, pushes you towards discovering what's wrong with you, the world, and other truths, and towards fighting, which wouldn't have happened if you were just born a chad or a foid, so in that sense it does build a character.

What happens when there are no solutions to your life's biggest problems? Would you have had them in the first place if you were born Chad, is the fundamental problem not being born Chad?

 

[CosmicInjustice]

Yes, true. It’s a cope. It’s just like religion.

“If you die, it’s okay because God will reward you in the afterlife.”
“If you suffer, it’s okay because you will come out stronger as a result.”
“If you are hurt, it’s okay because your bully will be punished either in this life or in the afterlife.”

It’s just things normies tell themselves in order to sleep better at night. My opposition to this coping tendency in humans is evident by my username. The universe doesn’t care about human justice, it’s amoral.

 

[CosmicInjustice]

A person who is socially integrated and has had meaningful romantic relationships since adolescence will have so much more wisdom, experience, fulfillment, skills, happiness, and understanding of the world than someone who rots in loneliness on the Internet for their entire teen and young adult years.

 

[Homegrownman326]

A person who is socially integrated and has had meaningful romantic relationships since adolescence will have so much more wisdom, experience, fulfillment, skills, happiness, and understanding of the world than someone who rots in loneliness on the Internet for their entire teen and young adult years.

Maybe more practical wisdom, but certainly not the wisdom that users have on here regarding topics like female nature. They most certainly won't truly understand how the world works either. Your thinking here is wrong. Those who are successful aren't always going to know why, if you do something right the first time or the second time, sometimes it's just intuition or luck. Some of the most successful people can only tell you vague reasons for their success when it comes down to it. Those who fail at things in life are far more likely to know what specifically went wrong and thus what needs to be avoided to be successful. They're far more likely to know what leads to success on average. Depressed people ruminate and ask questions; those who win carry on. On another note, I find it curious to have an atheist on here. I've always said that the Blackpill and atheism go hand and hand and are much of the same.

 

[failmaxxed]

Suffering (to an extent) with meaning improves an individual, but suffering (to any extent) without a goal cripples the individual.

 

[reveries]

A person who is socially integrated and has had meaningful romantic relationships since adolescence will have so much more wisdom, experience, fulfillment, skills, happiness, and understanding of the world than someone who rots in loneliness on the Internet for their entire teen and young adult years.

You should speak to a socially integrated normie, a bunch of them. They're absolutely retarded and they don't understand shit about the world precisely because they don't need to, since they are doing well.

 

[Grodd]

There is no good damage, damage is just damage

 

[poorenglishcel]

I want to help normies build character(in video game)

 

[antisocialcel]

suffering torture by society built who I am today: nothing

 

[SmhChan]

Suffering without reward definitely doesn't, which is what soyciety pushes on to you.

 

[Homegrownman326]

Suffering without reward definitely doesn't, which is what soyciety pushes on to you.

Life itself is suffering without reward

 

[pointless Existence]

accomplishments/rewards build character

 

[Extern]

Chronically high cortisol = early death

 

[go2sleep]

truth nuke

 

[Autist]

bullying, mockery made me high inhib

More like your looks

 

[Autistic Uggo]

A small amount of (manageable) adversity can build character, but there needs to be a light at the end of the tunnel or a silver lining. Unrelenting torment will just spiritually destroy you. No trucel is going to overcome the psychological scars of inceldom, social isolation and bullying.

 

[ThePornographer]

I would say that suffering does build character IF you do not have access to easy cope in life as porn and so on.

Back in time people used to live so rought shit like seeing their family being killed in front of them but still managed to build something and sometimes even get famous in what they do.

Just see mike tyson life, it's one of the exemple, if mike tyson discovered high speed porn and internet he wouldn't have been a fighter i think.

 

[soft]

There is no good damage, damage is just damage

 

[WastedPotential]

In a similar fashion to many of society's other copes, like "inner beauty matters more". Suffering to build character is just another myth. In fact, I'd say that it destroys it. You can be the most extroverted person, the life of the party, but have the most devastating injuries that lead to paralysis happen to you, and fall into a deep depression for the rest of your life. But that's an extreme example. I've suffered from mental health issues my entire life, I lost all my teenage years to it, and I'm as depressed as a man on his deathbed at this point. I used to be a happy child, loads of joy, and lots of willingness to go and play with my friends. Now I'm a shell, I have no friends at all, I'm extremely lonely, I have no meaning or purpose in my life, I'm an incel, and an addict. I've progressively lost all the characteristics that could've made me a pleasure to be around if I weren't ugly. Chad never had any suffering in his life; he never had to suffer. And people flock to worship him.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utEEe97Ir4o

@Stupid Clown

 

[starystulejarz]

I lost 33 years of my life due bullying. It destroyed my brain.

 

[starystulejarz]

There is no good damage, damage is just damage

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXPUxU6cnGI

 

[Ibrahim997]

I guess it depends on suffering. I suffered a loss that changed my perfect on life.

 

[Cuckoja]

It just kills you more and makes you weaker.

 

[God's Lonely Man]

Suffering raped my soul