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Blackpill Study showing: (1) Women lie tremendously about the importance of looks, and (2) It is Looks > Personality > Money for both genders

This study looked at how important each gender rated: Physical Attractiveness, Personality, and Earning Power in a relationship. Then they studied to what degree these traits actually led to success in speed dating. Speed dating is the fairest model to allow personality or earning power to shine, since you have at least 10 minutes to demonstrate how charismatic or successful you are.

Here was their primary result:

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On the left, you can see the degree to which men (blue) and women (red) rated the importance of Attractiveness, Personality, and Earning Power. On the right, you can see to what extent any of those characteristics actually led to dating success (where 0 would be no effect, and 1 would be 100% effect).

In this study, both genders underestimated the importance of looks. Men rated looks as second just barely under personality (8.04/10 vs. 8.1/10). On the other hand, women were WAY off. They rated looks as the LEAST important of all (7.18/10) while for them it was by far the most important thing. In fact, it was slightly more important for women than it was for men.

For getting a woman, looks correlated 0.46 with dating success. This means that as a man, your looks will predict at least 46% of your success or failure in a speed date. Personality correlated 0.32 with dating success. So 32% of your results will be attributed to your personality. Lastly, money only correlated 0.16 with success. So only 16% of your results will depend on money.

What does this tell us? A few primary things:

- For both genders, the order of importance is: Looks > Personality > Money. This reinforces the study findings here, which also showed money is comparatively the least important parameter. In this study, money was actually less important to women than it was for men, yet women said they thought it was quite important at the start.

- Women dramatically underestimate how important having a good looking guy is to them. I'm not sure why this is. Women in general tend to lack self awareness and insight compared to men. Perhaps this is just a manifestation of that. Or it is some form of deeply internalized virtue signalling.

As a whole, this provides scientific evidence that women really have no idea what they find important. They were completely wrong on the relative importance of all three attributes studied. One therefore truly cannot trust what a woman says about dating. One must look at her behavior to understand her values. When we do that, we see as always that looks are top of the totem pole. And if you are a man trying to compensate through money, you will have a very steep climb.

Reference
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18211175
 
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Reminder that when they say personality matters, it does, but women aren't attracted to kind orbiters who constantly listen to their problems, that isn't the personality they're looking for. They want the amoral bad boy who will choke her.
 
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Reminder that when they say personality matters, it does, but women aren't attracted to kind orbiters who constantly listen to their problems, that isn't the personality they're looking for. They want the amoral bad boy who will choke her.
100%
 
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The vital thing that these leftists neglect to mention is juggernaut law. Yes, men are attracted to looks but unlike women, they wouldn’t mind dating a below average female and nutting in her.
 
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I always suspected that personality mattered. By personality I mean... confidence and masculinity.

Your post is enlightening OP, thank you very much.
 
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.46 is only a moderate correlation. I expected it to be much higher
 
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Personality matters if you're average/ish looking.

If you're very ugly or very good looking, if matters little if at all.
 
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@Kokoro you must make an infograph with this. Very valuable stuff here.
 
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High IQ study. Now we need to somehow fit status into the equation
 
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Reminder that when they say personality matters, it does, but women aren't attracted to kind orbiters who constantly listen to their problems, that isn't the personality they're looking for. They want the amoral bad boy who will choke her.
Every kind of personality would work for Chads and Chad-lites.
 
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Interesting. I suppose race and height is included in the looks category
 
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Reminder that when they say personality matters, it does, but women aren't attracted to kind orbiters who constantly listen to their problems, that isn't the personality they're looking for. They want the amoral bad boy who will choke her.
High IQ, being a wet fish won't get you laid, literally any personality that clashes with things is fine.
 
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Very good black pill, we needed this to expose the lying whores
 
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Interesting. I suppose race and height is included in the looks category

Yes, and specifically on that, we've established it's:

Race > Height > Face > Money

https://incels.is/threads/scientifi...f-importance-is-race-height-face-money.59098/

Incel science has already proven the blackpill and clarified pretty much everything. There is no mystery to getting women. We know all the factors and their relative importance.

The sad thing is knowing these things does nothing to help you be more attractive, since most of them are unchangeable. So it's just more knowledge to beat yourself up over.
 
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This is the ultimate proof that personaleetee matters
 
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This is the ultimate proof that personaleetee matters

It actually is, but remember this study also:

https://incels.is/threads/mens-looks-matter-more-than-women-admit-study-shows.43565/

Which showed personality can only sway women once you meet a basic looks cutoff first. If you're legitimately short/ugly/ethnic, you're not going to be able to do that except in very rare cases. Personality matters the most to average white guys. The rest of us are generally getting eliminated based on other hard physical factors.
 
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It actually is, but remember this study also:

https://incels.is/threads/mens-looks-matter-more-than-women-admit-study-shows.43565/

Which showed personality can only sway women once you meet a basic looks cutoff first. If you're legitimately short/ugly/ethnic, you're not going to be able to do that except in very rare cases. Personality matters the most to average white guys. The rest of us are generally getting eliminated based on other hard physical factors.
And this explains why cucktears is so obsessed with personality.
 
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How does smell factor in? Hygiene is super important to most people. But exactly how important is it.
 
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The only honest thing a woman can do with you is let you fuck her.
 
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If you have a bad personality and have good looks you will have the halo effect working for you so no female will see a good looking male as having a bad personality. An ugly person with that same personality will be like a cockroach in their eyes.
 
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@blickpall I think this is an important study can you add to Blackpill Archive?

Thanks.
 
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@blickpall I think this is an important study can you add to Blackpill Archive?

Thanks.
No, they rather add wikipedia articles over legitimate blackpills like 47% of aspie men in a sample with an average age 35+ age are still virgins.
 
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Reminder that when they say personality matters, it does, but women aren't attracted to kind orbiters who constantly listen to their problems, that isn't the personality they're looking for. They want the amoral bad boy who will choke her.
 
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I don't believe you can present your high status in 10 minutes. It is not about wearing a good pair of shoes or an expensive watch. If you had a driver that drives you around, a secretary to reply inquiries, being famous online and offline, if you can take a girl to a date to the most expensive retaurant in the town and book the entire restaurant at the rush hour etc. Being unaccessible gives you a value not showing expensive items and saying you are a CEO of some shitty unknown company in a cheap speed date event. It is the "wow" effect when you show up somewhere.
 
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I don't believe you can present high status in 10 minutes. It is not about wearing a good pair of shoes or an expensive watch. If you had a driver that drives you around, a secretary to reply inquiries, being famous online and offline and etc. Being unaccessible gives you a alue not showing expensive items and saying you are a CEO of some shitty unknown company.

I've actually done speed dating and what you do for a living is one of the things that comes up in the first 2 minutes every time. And the girls DO care. That's one of the main things they want to know in speed dating about you. The rest is what you look like. And can you hold a conversation.

That's basically it. That's enough information for almost any woman to judge you.
 
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I've actually done speed dating and what you do for a living is one of the things that comes up in the first 2 minutes every time. And the girls DO care. That's one of the main things they want to know in speed dating about you. The rest is what you look like. And can you hold a conversation.

That's basically it. That's enough information for almost any woman to judge you.
But still there is a difference between saying I am a manager of a random company vs showing up in a half million dollar car in a low income city and girls screaming like "Is that him?" around your car and saying the same thing. If you are a rich guy it doesn't even make sense that you go to a speed dating event at the first place. You would rather find a gf in your cool circle of pool party female friends. You have to sell a lifestyle and this takes some time. If you are really high status your bodyguards would go before you to that speed dating venue and check around that if anyone plans to kill you.
 
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But still there is a difference between saying I am a manager of a random company vs showing up in a half million dollar car in a low income city and girls screaming like "Is that him?" around yout car and saying the same thing.

Yeah. One is at least slightly possible to do. And the other is impossible for 99.999999999999% of men.
 
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How does smell factor in? Hygiene is super important to most people. But exactly how important is it.

Hygiene isn't important at all, it's just a prerequisite. You are eliminated if you lack it, but you aren't selected for being an 8 on the hygiene scale, most people take showers and put deodorant.
I've actually done speed dating and what you do for a living is one of the things that comes up in the first 2 minutes every time. And the girls DO care. That's one of the main things they want to know in speed dating about you. The rest is what you look like. And can you hold a conversation.

That's basically it. That's enough information for almost any woman to judge you.

You have to understand that what they means in the study that it comes 3 isn't that women don't give a shit when the guy is homeless, it's more "most guys in the speedating have jobs that pays between 20.000$ and 100.000$ year with 50.000$ being the mean, variation in looks is more important than a variation in money, as in they'd take a 7 who has a 50.000$ salary than a & with a 64.000$ salary"

Not that the guy's job isn't important at all.
 
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No, they rather add wikipedia articles over legitimate blackpills like 47% of aspie men in a sample with an average age 35+ age are still virgins.
Sorry that our work hasn't been living up to your standards. It's hard to please someone who has contributed so much to the community.

Oh wait.
 
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Sorry that our work hasn't been living up to your standards. It's hard to please someone who has contributed so much to the community.

Oh wait.
Cope
 
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The quality of your written dating profile has been proven to have 0 impact on how many women respond. dating sites are a meat market (or fish market in the case of women) of dating, nothing else but looks are considered. people have made experiments by making profiles with very attractive men as their picture and explaining how they were a registered sex offender for fucking a 10yo girl one time. they got hundreds of messages a month. that's right, women on dating sites don't care if the guy is a registered sex offender for child buggery. and it's not like women make spelling mistakes all the time on their profiles and have some of the most basic bitch bios ever like "i'm not like those other girls, I demand a lot more attention and respect, sorry if that's not what you're used to".
 
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Very interesting that the importance of money is declining real fast in the West. I guess this is what happens when everyone is relatively well-off, and don't have to worry about putting food on the table.

Unless you're some kind of a billionaire, being moderately rich (like a doctor or lawyer) isn't that much of an advantage anymore.
 
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This study looked at how important each gender rated: Physical Attractiveness, Personality, and Earning Power in a relationship. Then they studied to what degree these traits actually led to success in speed dating. Speed dating is the fairest model to allow personality or earning power to shine, since you have at least 10 minutes to demonstrate how charismatic or successful you are.

Here was their primary result:

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On the left, you can see the degree to which men (blue) and women (red) rated the importance of Attractiveness, Personality, and Earning Power. On the right, you can see to what extent any of those characteristics actually led to dating success (where 0 would be no effect, and 1 would be 100% effect).

In this study, both genders underestimated the importance of looks. Men rated looks as second just barely under personality (8.04/10 vs. 8.1/10). On the other hand, women were WAY off. They rated looks as the LEAST important of all (7.18/10) while for them it was by far the most important thing. In fact, it was slightly more important for women than it was for men.

For getting a woman, looks correlated 0.46 with dating success. This means that as a man, your looks will predict at least 46% of your success or failure in a speed date. Personality correlated 0.32 with dating success. So 32% of your results will be attributed to your personality. Lastly, money only correlated 0.16 with success. So only 16% of your results will depend on money.

What does this tell us? A few primary things:

- For both genders, the order of importance is: Looks > Personality > Money. This reinforces the study findings here, which also showed money is comparatively the least important parameter. In this study, money was actually less important to women than it was for men, yet women said they thought it was quite important at the start.

- Women dramatically underestimate how important having a good looking guy is to them. I'm not sure why this is. Women in general tend to lack self awareness and insight compared to men. Perhaps this is just a manifestation of that. Or it is some form of deeply internalized virtue signalling.

As a whole, this provides scientific evidence that women really have no idea what they find important. They were completely wrong on the relative importance of all three attributes studied. One therefore truly cannot trust what a woman says about dating. One must look at her behavior to understand her values. When we do that, we see as always that looks are top of the totem pole. And if you are a man trying to compensate through money, you will have a very steep climb.

Reference
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18211175
Im gonna save this shit and spread it everywhere
 
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All these bluepilled cucks misinterpreting the study saying PERSUHNALITEE.
It only matters if you aren’t hideous, because if you are everyone will just assume and interpret your personality as shit regardless of what you do.
 
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Reminder that when they say personality matters, it does, but women aren't attracted to kind orbiters who constantly listen to their problems, that isn't the personality they're looking for. They want the amoral bad boy who will choke her.
They want STRENGTH, bad boy demeanor does a great job Advertising/marketing that to her.
 
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High IQ study. Now we need to somehow fit status into the equation
Status trumps everything. But most people mistakes status with money. Status is just about being women fantasy: you are street musician, or bartender, or struggling poet, or professor who acquired some secret knowledge (seriously I know girl who lost her virginity to 40+ professor, because she thought he will pass knowledge to her as he was in some esoteric bullshit).
 
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Nothing can compare to looks
 
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"I like guys with great personalities"

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