Shlomo is a master of confusion and distraction. Truly a genius.
I'm not going to address all the points because it's fruitless. My stance isn't hypocritical, it's tribal. If you're going to apply a flawed logic to my people and attack us, I will do the same to you in self-defense. It's about self-preservation, not moral grandstanding. "An eye for an eye equals no eyes". Tell that to your people, that's a Jewish teaching and practice, one that was used to justify a genocide in Gaza. Jews believe whites are Esau and Muslims are Amalek. Both groups need to be destroyed for the Messiah to come and rule the entire earth. The point is that it's Jews who are openly hostile by default. Speaking of tribalism, the entire reason you commented on this thread was specifically because of your tribal Jewish instinct, that you felt the need to defend your people despite their wrongdoings. And then you moral grandstand to me about how I'm wrong and twisted, typical Jew. Then you go on to downplay them when it's very clear that the exact opposite is the case. Jews are very much in control and not only overrepresented but actively trying to enact their vision onto the world. For being 0.02 percent of people on earth, the fact that Jews are in these top positions of power in the way they are is unnatural. The elite is made up of Jews and their shabbos exclusively. Chabad Lubavitch specifically is the cult that has tremendous power; Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and Netanyahu are all involved with them. You claim it's "not all Jews" and yet here you are defending Jewish power you claim to not be involved with or support.
I've spent hours on this site talking shit about and attacking women. I also agreed that women are their own entity. Women have agency over their own personal decisions to a degree, but women are herd creatures and don't make decisions on their own. If society frowned upon race mixing, then few women would. If society celebrates it and promotes non-white men as more progressive, masculine, and competent through subliminal messaging in movies, TV, and advertisements, that will create the opposite outcome. "That's just wignat incel cope, durrrrrrrr". Well, here's a YouTube channel with in-depth breakdowns of anti-white messaging in Hollywood movies produced by Jews https://www.youtube.com/@wyattstagg1783/videos. My main point is that women aren't responsible or in control of the direction of society; Jews however, very much are.
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If you consider rational discussion fruitless, then meaningful dialogue is impossible. It's also weird that you are sidestepping when you replied to me in the first place.
Self-preservation is understandable, but retaliating with collective blame doesn't solve anything. Tribalism alone doesn’t make a position valid or morally justified, and it ignores logic and ethics.
It originally meant proportional justice, not endless retaliation. Also, this is a tu quoque that functions through collective guilt which is irrelevant to what I said (and this is while ignoring the fact the last part of your reply is contestable).
This is a bunch of conspirational claims that lack credible evidence; I have yet to come across a Jew who believes in that nonsense. I have seen religious scripture that advocates for Amalek's genocide, but obviously, that is scripture, and it clearly can't be applied to ethnicity. It has largely been rejected or reinterpreted over time in many ways, such as spiritual ones, where it's viewed as a moral battle against symbolic evil. And I will restate this, using scripture as moral justification for collective guilt is nonsensical, especially when one could easily cherrypick all sorts of controversial verses from many different religions. Of course, some extremists who truly believe this exist, but that is true for practically any ideology or religion.
Unfounded generalization.
My response is based on principles of logic, fairness, and truth. That's exactly why I've consistently taken a stance against extreme tribalism and collective guilt, and why I've addressed various racial issues in multiple replies in my time here.
I have consistently acknowledged disproportionate influence among a small elite but reject the leap to collective control or monolithic conspiracy. You have also failed to address any of my arguments, which is already quite telling about the evidentiary standards your position meets.
The overrepresentation of any group in elite positions can result from many factors. Calling it “unnatural” without evidence is yet another unfounded assumption. This is also irrelevant to your ridiculous leap between what is and what ought to be. A tiny minority of people of a sub-group of a group being disproportionately represented does not mean every single person within the general group deserves to be punished and blamed.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and it also makes me wonder how do you define the elite?
I defend rational discourse and reject collective blame. Defending logic is not the same as defending any group’s power or actions.
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I'm going to sidestep you once again, as your points are fruitless fluff. Jews can speak (in this case type) a lot but say very little. I have plenty of evidence to support my claims. It's well known that Chabad Lubavitch specifically is one of the main Jewish groups with tremendous power. Jared Kushner, who married Ivanka Trump, is a member. Trump made a high-profile visit to the Schneerson's grave last year and has a photo of him hanging in the white house. Vladimir Putin's personal Rabbi is also a Chabad associate. "A bunch of conspiratorial claims". It's called the Torah, the book that essentially is Jewish identity. The goal of Judaism, as explained in the Torah, is for Jews to rule the world from Jerusalem. The nations will be destroyed and pacified, and pledge allegiance to the Messiah who will initiate this process. "All heads will bow". Amalek today is most often associated with anyone against Israel or Jews, but in particular, it's most often associated with Muslims like Hamas. That's because Amalek was a Middle Eastern Nation, as explained in the Torah. Rome/Christianity/Europeans/White people are classified as Edom or Edomites. They're descendants of Esau, and according to scripture, need to be eliminated for the Messiah to come. "Obadiah 1: This verse prophesies complete destruction: "The house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame; the house of Esau shall be stubble. They shall kindle them and devour them, and no survivor shall remain of the house of Esau,". I can quote Torah verses to support all my claims; it's all quite literally in the book. Israelis shout "destroy Amalek in the streets in support of the genocide in Gaza. When dealing with prophecy, we must understand that it's not passive; it's more about making something happen rather than waiting. This is because the Jewish people are chosen by God and God works through them. Historically, tribal Gods and their people were one in the same, and the tribal God represented the collective consciousness of a people. Jews don't just wait for the Messiah; they actively work to hasten his arrival. This explains world events today: why is Europe being flooded with migrants? Why are white birthrates plummeting? Why are there constant wars in the Middle East? It's all to destroy Israel's enemies and destroy the nations. Deny it all you want, but the world is controlled by a bunch of Jewish cults.If you consider rational discussion fruitless, then meaningful dialogue is impossible. It's also weird that you are sidestepping when you replied to me in the first place.
Self-preservation is understandable, but retaliating with collective blame doesn't solve anything. Tribalism alone doesn’t make a position valid or morally justified, and it ignores logic and ethics.
It originally meant proportional justice, not endless retaliation. Also, this is a tu quoque that functions through collective guilt which is irrelevant to what I said (and this is while ignoring the fact the last part of your reply is contestable).
This is a bunch of conspirational claims that lack credible evidence; I have yet to come across a Jew who believes in that nonsense. I have seen religious scripture that advocates for Amalek's genocide, but obviously, that is scripture, and it clearly can't be applied to ethnicity. It has largely been rejected or reinterpreted over time in many ways, such as spiritual ones, where it's viewed as a moral battle against symbolic evil. And I will restate this, using scripture as moral justification for collective guilt is nonsensical, especially when one could easily cherrypick all sorts of controversial verses from many different religions. Of course, some extremists who truly believe this exist, but that is true for practically any ideology or religion.
Unfounded generalization.
My response is based on principles of logic, fairness, and truth. That's exactly why I've consistently taken a stance against extreme tribalism and collective guilt, and why I've addressed various racial issues in multiple replies in my time here.
I have consistently acknowledged disproportionate influence among a small elite but reject the leap to collective control or monolithic conspiracy. You have also failed to address any of my arguments, which is already quite telling about the evidentiary standards your position meets.
The overrepresentation of any group in elite positions can result from many factors. Calling it “unnatural” without evidence is yet another unfounded assumption. This is also irrelevant to your ridiculous leap between what is and what ought to be. A tiny minority of people of a sub-group of a group being disproportionately represented does not mean every single person within the general group deserves to be punished and blamed.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and it also makes me wonder how do you define the elite?
I defend rational discourse and reject collective blame. Defending logic is not the same as defending any group’s power or actions.
If you can't engage with the points made, it’s because you’re either unable or unwilling to confront them with actual logic or evidence.
Association does not equal control (and this is also typical post-hoc logic). You’re describing symbolic gestures, personal advisors, and family ties (which are very common in politics) but you leap from these connections to total domination. That’s not how causality or power structures work. If a Catholic politician kisses the Pope’s ring, does that mean the Vatican rules the world?
This part is a result of you not engaging with my points, since reading them would demonstrate I have already addressed this. But I will restate for you: the Torah is a religious and historical text, not a manifesto for global domination. By your logic, every Christian must want to enslave nonbelievers, and every Muslim must commit violence. Most people understand religious texts as symbolic and/or understand them relative to the context and culture. Your mistake is in reading them literally and applying ancient tribal myths to modern geopolitics. And that's without mentioning religion ≠ ethnicity.
Christians have similar ideas about the Second Coming of Christ ruling the world. Do you take that as a plan for global conquest by all Christians? If not, why the double standard? If you read every group's scriptures literally and assume they’re mandates, you could justify paranoia about almost every major religion.
Even if these ideas exist in ultra-orthodox fringe interpretations, that does not equate to mainstream Jewish thought or practice. Most Jews today do not even believe in a personal Messiah, let alone a genocidal one. Again, read what I actually wrote and address it directly because this is getting tiring.
You are quoting a prophetic symbolic metaphor from ancient times. By your logic, Christians should be blamed for every violent Psalm or threat of eternal damnation. And as I have said—if you had read what I wrote, you would understand why appealing to scriptures is simply flawed; that's the exact problem with failure to address points directly.
You can quote any holy book to justify almost anything. That doesn't make it real, relevant, or prescriptive in today’s world. I could just as easily quote the Bible or Quran to argue for slavery, stoning, or genocide—but that isn't a problem with any specific people; rather, it is a problem with religion. This is weak epistemology.
You’ll find extremist slogans shouted in almost any nation’s protests. I have seen American evangelicals screaming “Kill the Muslims,” or radical Islamists shouting “Death to America.” Do these represent the beliefs of all Christians or Muslims? Also, using the word "genocide" carelessly dilutes its meaning.
Even if some Jews believe they are "chosen," most interpret this ethically or historically (as in chosen to be burdened with responsibility), not as a mandate for domination. By the same logic, you could accuse Muslims of imperialism for believing Islam is the final revelation, or Christians for believing only they are saved. Your entire argument so far is based on religious scripture
Again, fringe belief among some sects. Most secular or modern Jews don’t even believe in a messiah at all. This is like claiming all Christians want Armageddon because of the Book of Revelation.
The things you listed are multifactorial issues that are affected by many different variables; reducing them to "Jews did it" is reductionist and the very same easy scapegoating I have mentioned in my first reply. I do agree that certain issues such as birthrates and migration have the hand of the elite in them (which includes a disproportionate amount of Jews, even if they remain a minority), and this is caused by the feminism they push (as evident by the amount of Jewish feminists) and the need for cheap easy labor, which is obviously vile, but it isn't something perpetuated solely by Jews or a part of some religious agenda exclusive to Jews. In regards to the wars in the middle east: they are caused by imperialism, regional power struggles (e.g., Saudi-Iran rivalry), historically complex conflicts, and failed states. Not some Torah prophecy.
Deny it, indeed. Seeing as you've offered no rigorous evidence, just theological paranoia.
Your entire point on power structures a load of bullshit, no politician has ever kissed the base of the Pyramids of Giza, the Western Wall on the other hand.... If a Catholic politician kisses the pope's ring, he's most certainly influenced by the Vatican. As a practicing Catholic, he would have a dual loyalty to his faith as well as the Church infrastructure. I wouldn't trust them to be unbiased and uninfluenced. The Torah is a religious text; religion was political in the times it was written as there were competing tribal Gods, mystery cults, and Roman Imperialism pushing their religion. Religion has always been linked with politics and scripture has political goals and implications in many cases. The aforementioned "Book of Revelation" was about Emperor Nero, for instance, he was supposed to be the anti-Christ. The Torah makes it clear that the Messiah will rule the world in the form of a one-world government from Jerusalem. "He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles" https://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach#What. "Jews are a race, not a religion". Jews are both, Judaism is an ethnoreligion, if you believe otherwise, open your Torah and read it closely, to me it seems you've never done so. A core teaching is being "God's Chosen and being the seed of Abraham". Modern Jews are racially mixed, and there are several distinct racial groups united under the Jewish religion. These ethnicities are distinct from others like Ashkenazi Jews due to racial tribalism over the centuries. "This must mean all Christians want Jesus to come down and rule the world and torture the non-believers. They do, in fact, want this, and it's as evil and retarded as Jewish stories. Christianity is a sect of Judaism, much like Chabad is, "Messiah came already, worship him," etc. I'm anti-Christian as well; that whataboutism doesn't work on me. "This is like claiming all Christians want Armageddon because of the Book of Revelation." They most certainly do; some of the biggest Zionist shills are Christfags, and they cheer on dead children in Gaza, including Christians in Gaza. They also support Israel killing Christians in the West Bank. Christians are probably even more detestable than Jews because it's not even their race being God's chosen; it's a globalist religion that supports meekness and cuckery, Jews are based in comparison. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that Jews sent Christianity to the goyim to subvert Rome, but that's a different conversation. "All Muslims are violent and want Jihad". Any practicing Muslim who has read the Quran believes that he must kill for Allah. "Christians need to be held accountable for their violence," I think they have been; New Atheists and Liberals have been attacking them for decades. The worst content found in the Bible can be found in the Torah, the part that Jews observe. "Just because you can quote from it doesn't make it relevant or real". But people believe in it do they not? We have radical religious fundamentalists in government, that's consequential, isn't it? Ted Cruz makes his foreign policy judgments over a biblical verse, "those who bless Israel will be blessed". Chabad Lubavitchers who are close with the US, Russian, and Israeli governments, most certainly believe the Torah to be literal. Chabad isn't just some fringe and small organization; it's very powerful. They have direct influence over President Trump; he answers to them (https://chabadinfo.com/news/a-heart...l-on-his-path-to-becoming-the-47th-president/). Show me a photo of Trump in the Oval Office being surrounded by Jesuit Priests, or visiting the graves of dead popes, I'll wait. "You're using the term genocide too loosely; that's only meant for Jews". Suck a nigger dick kike, what you're doing in Gaza is a genocide, you've already killed 400,000 people in the most brutal ways possible. "There are plenty of secular Jews who hate whites too". There are, and they have their own reasons, which are rooted mainly in Jewish identity, which is being an eternal victim; Jews are instinctually loxist as they're taught from a young age to hate whites for oppressing them, much like how blacks are taught about slavery. You can call Chabad fringe all you want; their power is self-evident. I detest Abrahamism entirely; it has ruined the world. You admit that Jews are, in part, pushing for mass migration to white countries, promoting female education and feminism to reduce birthrates. Is it merely because of loxism and financial interest? Perhaps for some. For others, it's because of Biblical prophecy and hastening the Messiah's arrival. That doesn't change the fact that Jews are subversive, parasitic, and actively destroying white peoples and nations. The essence of the "Green-pill" is that everything Jews do cannot be reduced to merely hating whites; it is this religious framework found in the Torah. You can say Jews are victims of oppression and leftists as a result, but leftism can also be traced back to the Torah, that all men are created equal in the image of God, that racial and religious distinction is idolatrous, and that all the nations need to bow down to Yahweh. The Torah/Bible has served as the moral authority for Western civilization, and those morals warped into leftism as a result of secularization. Christianity was Rome's "woke" movement. "Wars in the Middle East are Imperialist and have absolutely nothing to do with Jewish interests". Is there an element of money being involved? Sure. They mainly have to do with protecting Israel and destabilizing the region. Israel's strategy is to destabilize its neighbors so that none of them can threaten its existence in a similar fashion to 1967 and 1973. That's Israel's foreign policy in a nutshell; that's why they funded ISIS throughout the Middle East. Why is it that every single one of Israel's neighbors has experienced civil wars, regime changes, or being bankrolled by Western governments (Egypt and Jordan). Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, Iraq, and Sudan have experienced and are experiencing civil wars. Ba'athism in particular was such a threat that everywhere it went, Israel ensured that the nation ruin. Why was Saddam Hussein overthrown? Not because of weapons of mass destruction, but because he was a strong Ba'athist leader who criticised and was hostile to Israel. Saddam feuding with Iran? Send him tons of weapons, him being critical of Israel? Operation Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom. "He invaded Kuwait". That was in an attempt to bargain for self-preservation, but they won't tell you that. It's very similar to how Hamas took hostages so they could negotiate a deal to stop Israeli settlements in the West Bank. They won't tell you that in the news either. You want historical complexity? Well, here you go kike.If you can't engage with the points made, it’s because you’re either unable or unwilling to confront them with actual logic or evidence.
Association does not equal control (and this is also typical post-hoc logic). You’re describing symbolic gestures, personal advisors, and family ties (which are very common in politics) but you leap from these connections to total domination. That’s not how causality or power structures work. If a Catholic politician kisses the Pope’s ring, does that mean the Vatican rules the world?
This part is a result of you not engaging with my points, since reading them would demonstrate I have already addressed this. But I will restate for you: the Torah is a religious and historical text, not a manifesto for global domination. By your logic, every Christian must want to enslave nonbelievers, and every Muslim must commit violence. Most people understand religious texts as symbolic and/or understand them relative to the context and culture. Your mistake is in reading them literally and applying ancient tribal myths to modern geopolitics. And that's without mentioning religion ≠ ethnicity.
Christians have similar ideas about the Second Coming of Christ ruling the world. Do you take that as a plan for global conquest by all Christians? If not, why the double standard? If you read every group's scriptures literally and assume they’re mandates, you could justify paranoia about almost every major religion.
Even if these ideas exist in ultra-orthodox fringe interpretations, that does not equate to mainstream Jewish thought or practice. Most Jews today do not even believe in a personal Messiah, let alone a genocidal one. Again, read what I actually wrote and address it directly because this is getting tiring.
You are quoting a prophetic symbolic metaphor from ancient times. By your logic, Christians should be blamed for every violent Psalm or threat of eternal damnation. And as I have said—if you had read what I wrote, you would understand why appealing to scriptures is simply flawed; that's the exact problem with failure to address points directly.
You can quote any holy book to justify almost anything. That doesn't make it real, relevant, or prescriptive in today’s world. I could just as easily quote the Bible or Quran to argue for slavery, stoning, or genocide—but that isn't a problem with any specific people; rather, it is a problem with religion. This is weak epistemology.
You’ll find extremist slogans shouted in almost any nation’s protests. I have seen American evangelicals screaming “Kill the Muslims,” or radical Islamists shouting “Death to America.” Do these represent the beliefs of all Christians or Muslims? Also, using the word "genocide" carelessly dilutes its meaning.
Even if some Jews believe they are "chosen," most interpret this ethically or historically (as in chosen to be burdened with responsibility), not as a mandate for domination. By the same logic, you could accuse Muslims of imperialism for believing Islam is the final revelation, or Christians for believing only they are saved. Your entire argument so far is based on religious scripture
Again, fringe belief among some sects. Most secular or modern Jews don’t even believe in a messiah at all. This is like claiming all Christians want Armageddon because of the Book of Revelation.
The things you listed are multifactorial issues that are affected by many different variables; reducing them to "Jews did it" is reductionist and the very same easy scapegoating I have mentioned in my first reply. I do agree that certain issues such as birthrates and migration have the hand of the elite in them (which includes a disproportionate amount of Jews, even if they remain a minority), and this is caused by the feminism they push (as evident by the amount of Jewish feminists) and the need for cheap easy labor, which is obviously vile, but it isn't something perpetuated solely by Jews or a part of some religious agenda exclusive to Jews. In regards to the wars in the middle east: they are caused by imperialism, regional power struggles (e.g., Saudi-Iran rivalry), historically complex conflicts, and failed states. Not some Torah prophecy.
Deny it, indeed. Seeing as you've offered no rigorous evidence, just theological paranoia.
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Blame the cucked westerners for letting these joos walk all over them.
I do agree some of the talk about jews gets old sometimes. If anything I despise foids and boomers more
That comparison makes no sense. The Pyramids aren’t a religious symbol. The Western Wall is Judaism’s holiest site, just as Mecca is for Islam or St. Peter’s Basilica is for Catholicism. Political figures visit symbolic landmarks of major religions as diplomatic gestures. It's extremely simplistic to think it implies allegiance or subservience. Obama bowed in Saudi Arabia. Trump held hands at the Western Wall. Neither proves “control.”
Then by your logic, no religious person can be trusted in politics. That includes Muslims, Protestants, Mormons, Hindus. This is not a unique critique of Jews. This is just anti-theism. I agree that religions have brought significant harm to the world, but that does not support your collective guilt based on genetics.
That’s true in general, and applies to all religions. But this just proves my point that you cannot single out Judaism. Christian, Hindu, and Islamic scriptures are also tied to historical empire, war, subjugation, and prophecy. Quoting cherrypicked verses out of context from 3,000 years ago to explain modern geopolitics is absurd.
That quote is an interpretation from a unofficial website summarizing one messianic view. You’re reading prophecy literally and mistaking it for geopolitical doctrine. You are regurgitating refuted points.
This doesn’t mean that all Jews share the same race, nor does it imply that modern Jews act as a unified political force, or that all people of Jewish descent believe in the religion. Being “God’s chosen” in the Torah is understood by most people as a call to ethical responsibility (as I have already said, but apparently you can't read), not superiority or domination. The idea of racial tribalism has occurred in every human population over centuries, not just among Jews. That’s not a unique Jewish trait + you are using religious scriptures for your nonsensical moral justifications.
Most Christians don’t believe in ruling the world or cheering for death brother. This is fringe evangelical theology. If we judged all groups by their worst political factions, every single religion and ethnicity would look genocidal. Besides, even if we do agree religion is bad, this is clearly not something unique to Jews, and it also doesn't logically follow that you would collectively blame secular Jews. You cannot conflate the genetic make-up of someone and a religion.
That doesn’t prove a specific global religious conspiracy. Ted Cruz citing a biblical verse doesn't prove Torah prophecy is dictating global affairs. And just because some Chabad figures interact with politicians doesn’t mean Chabad is “running” anything. At most this proves influence, which other religions have as well, so again, not something unique to Jews. Association ≠ control. Politicians meet all sorts of religious leaders for optics or support. Trump also met with evangelicals, Catholics, Hindus, Muslims. Did they all “control him”?
Don't project your faggotry on me, and stop misquoting me
Genocide has a clear legal definition: intentional destruction of a group in whole or in part. I agree that the destruction and pain is great (and there is no justification for various acts that were committed), but genocide is a leap and widely debated by legal experts on this topic. Also, the official death toll is 60,000 (including many combatants) — unfortunately, it may be higher, but 400,000 is a ridiculous overestimate.
I agree.
Some Jewish elites have supported liberal causes, but so have Catholic elites, secular NGOs, and corporations. And nothing here proves a Torah based plan to destroy whites. I have no problem with being anti-religion and anti-elite, but collective guilt based on genetics and the actions of a minority of a sub-group of a group that aren't even exclusive to that group is absurd.
The idea that “leftism is Jewish” because the Torah says people are made in God’s image is nonsense. Nearly every major religion has similar moral precepts. Still doesn't explain the logical leap of your position.
I have highlighted your sneaky strawman in red, as I do not appreciate people misquoting me. The U.S. and its allies have had many goals like oil, regime change, power projection, AND support for Israel. But claiming Israel funded ISIS is mostly baseless, and even if it's true to some extent, it does not justify your general ideas. The CIA and Gulf states funneled support to rebels, and yes, mistakes were made but you are oversimplifying reality, and it still doesn't prove anything exclusive to Jews. Also, most of the conflicts in the region existed independent of Israel (like Syria’s civil war, Iraq’s Sunni-Shia division, Yemen’s tribal and sectarian chaos to name a few). Regional instability is caused by sectarianism, autocracy, and foreign intervention, not a single Jewish state. Blaming Israel for every Arab failure is dishonest and stupid.
He was overthrown because the Bush admin falsely believed he had WMDs and posed a strategic threat post-9/11, not because of some Zionist vendetta.
Taking civilians as hostages is a war crime. Saddam invaded Kuwait to annex it and seize oil assets, not to “bargain.”
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we are one of them as well so some of us just find other scapegoats because people use us as one.
It's not about blame, it's about recognizing an enemy. Jews actively work to bring about the destruction of whites, and it is perfectly reasonable to hold them collectively responsible since their religion is based on their supremacy.
I don't recall incels being in leading government positions, running banks, and media.
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I thought this would be kike propaganda and got scared for a second ngl
I agree with you
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