Discussion Should users offsite activities count against them?

[Deleted member 39569]

Dude, come on now, are you really just going to lie like this.

you took my quote out of context, i put "i dont think you would say so", after that. you edited that part out

so if someone uses a different username, but through a collection of evidence, their username and identities on other sites are linked, and then linked to a brag post by a brag post on another site, is that something that should suddenly be "given a pass"? i dont think you would say so

as you can see above, the "i dont think you would say so", implies me thinking you dont think they should be given a pass, its focused on you and is in response to you saying everyone uses the same username everywhere.

you are speaking as if someone has "the right" to try and infiltrate, larp and troll incels.

this is what i mean by "jumping to conclusions". you're putting words in my mouth. taking one thing i say, and trying to link it to something else

"THINK ABOUT THE "VIRTUAL RIGHTS" OF THE TROLLS THAT LAUGH US BROS"

i never said anything about "rights", per se. more just the nature of what privacy is. if a discord is set private, then there is clearly an intent, that its not open for all to see, otherwise it wouldnt be private. of course no one is entitled to those convos being leaked

also, this is a strawman, i never said we should care about their "virtual rights" at all. i am just trying to let fat link know the implications of such rule

No it really isn't, privacy has nothing to do with a "virtual identity", it has to do with "the real you".

If I started another "anonymous account" for a Vegan forum, went on there starting flame wars, knowing full well I'm a meat eater, and then someone somehow links another anonymous account post about me eating meet to my vegan account, my privacy hasn't been violated, they don't know who I am in real life and so long as they don't go searching no privacy has been violated.

A violation of privacy is when you impact someones actual life, social standing, finances, etc.

You are really just playing word games right now.

As long as nothing ends up affecting my actual life (social standing, finances, employment opportunities, etc) and never gets linked back to "the real me" I don't care and I don't consider it "private".

this is semantics. its clear what the admin was speaking of. he is talking about users and their offsite activity being tracked and exposed against their will

 

[ShiiOfTheSPLC]

@Fat Link if you look here, its clear as day that mr @shii410 has decided to just evade this point. seems he isn't too concerned with exact truths, but is willing to leave out critical details which may not support his case

so if you decide to implement this rule, you can expect this forum to become full of "fakecel" hunters, who infiltrate private discords in an attempt to spy on people without them knowing, and expose them publicly against their consent when they did expect privacy. and those same people will then act like their cyberstalking was just "the ends justifying the means".

btw, here is an old thread that got bumped recently where this type of vigilante stalking was rewarded

Vippnor, lll and Sparrow’s Song are fakecels.

Storm is Vippnor (be funny and likeable JFL) al sandnigga is Sparrow’s Song I’m sorry, but if you get nudes from girls you know IRL, you are a fakecel. No girl is sending nudes to everyone. Whens the last time you heard rumors about the school whore getting spitroasted by the Chess Club...

incels.is

apparently the final member got unbanned recently (sparrows song) and is now back. but another member (lll) is not back because of this thread. so this rule clearly has a precedence to encourage stalking behaviors

i'm not necessarily saying there is anything wrong with that, btw. i just think you, as an admin, should have the right to an informed decision, and the community as a whole, should be aware that certain members will stalk them on discord, so any "private" discord, they create, they will need to be aware of vigilante actions.

I just didn’t bother replying to you because you didn’t say anything substantial and BlkPilPres already summed everything up perfectly

this “rule” has always been implemented. its not even a policy it’s just common sense. if someone is a LARPing fakecel troll it doesn’t matter how they got caught, there’s no “wrong way” of doing it

Dude, come on now, are you really just going to lie like this.

There's no reason to ask this question at all.


I don't think you realize you're just coming off as a troll, you are speaking as if someone has "the right" to try and infiltrate, larp and troll incels.

If you play stupid games you win stupid prizes.

They are literally going out of their way to invade another groups space to troll them, all bets are off at that point, they don't have any privacy because they are violating other peoples privacy by pretending to be an incel and getting them to reveal personal details (which they often do).


No it really isn't, privacy has nothing to do with a "virtual identity", it has to do with "the real you".

If I started another "anonymous account" for a Vegan forum, went on there starting flame wars, knowing full well I'm a meat eater, and then someone somehow links another anonymous account post about me eating meat to my anonymous vegan account, my privacy hasn't been violated, they don't know who I am in real life and so long as they don't go searching no privacy has been violated.

A violation of privacy is when you impact someones actual life, social standing, finances, etc.

You are really just playing word games right now.

As long as nothing ends up affecting my actual life (social standing, finances, employment opportunities, etc) and never gets linked back to "the real me" I don't care and I don't consider it "private".


They are exposing THEIR FAKE identity, not their real life name, address, etc. Why are you speaking like there's some problem with outing a larpers fake identity. If you were talking about doxxing their real names, addresses, etc I'd understand your point, but you aren't, you are acting like getting outed as a faker is a violation of privacy, it isn't, their real life stays untouched and they go back to their normie real life (as it should be)


"THINK ABOUT THE "VIRTUAL RIGHTS" OF THE TROLLS THAT LAUGH US BROS"

 

[Deleted member 39569]

you took my quote out of context, i put "i dont think you would say so", after that. you edited that part out

as you can see above, the "i dont think you would say so", implies me thinking you dont think they should be given a pass, its focused on you and is in response to you saying everyone uses the same username everywhere.

this is what i mean by "jumping to conclusions". you're putting words in my mouth. taking one thing i say, and trying to link it to something else

i never said anything about "rights", per se. more just the nature of what privacy is. if a discord is set private, then there is clearly an intent, that its not open for all to see, otherwise it wouldnt be private. of course no one is entitled to those convos being leaked

also, this is a strawman, i never said we should care about their "virtual rights" at all. i am just trying to let fat link know the implications of such rule

this is semantics. its clear what the admin was speaking of. he is talking about users and their offsite activity being tracked and exposed against their will

with all this being said though, this is an incel forum. fakecels dont belong

however if the admin decides to count offsite activity, people should expect to be stalked around the internet

and then perhaps potentially banned for certain behaviors that are questionable if they are "fakecel". such as @Sparrow's Song , since he was unbanned its clear his first ban was questionable, while the other dude (lll) was banned for being a fakecel and no one doubts that

 

[Deleted member 38579]

@Fat Link if you look here, its clear as day that mr @shii410 has decided to just evade this point. seems he isn't too concerned with exact truths, but is willing to leave out critical details which may not support his case

so if you decide to implement this rule, you can expect this forum to become full of "fakecel" hunters, who infiltrate private discords in an attempt to spy on people without them knowing, and expose them publicly against their consent when they did expect privacy. and those same people will then act like their cyberstalking was just "the ends justifying the means".

btw, here is an old thread that got bumped recently where this type of vigilante stalking was rewarded

Vippnor, lll and Sparrow’s Song are fakecels.

Storm is Vippnor (be funny and likeable JFL) al sandnigga is Sparrow’s Song I’m sorry, but if you get nudes from girls you know IRL, you are a fakecel. No girl is sending nudes to everyone. Whens the last time you heard rumors about the school whore getting spitroasted by the Chess Club...

incels.is

apparently the final member got unbanned recently (sparrows song) and is now back. but another member (lll) is not back because of this thread. so this rule clearly has a precedence to encourage stalking behaviors

i'm not necessarily saying there is anything wrong with that, btw. i just think you, as an admin, should have the right to an informed decision, and the community as a whole, should be aware that certain members will stalk them on discord, so any "private" discord, they create, they will need to be aware of vigilante actions.

you are cherrypicking a single case that's not even valid of someone being exposed in a public discord server while there are also cases of these fakecel retards posting on public forums.

if you don't want to get banned for being a fakecel faggot, then don't act like a fakecel faggot, simple as.

 

[Deleted member 39569]

you are cherrypicking a single case that's not even valid of someone being exposed in a public discord server while there are also cases of these fakecel retards posting on public forums.

private discord server i would assume

im sure there are other cases of private stuff on discord being leaked here.

as for the ones on other forums, let's say a user on looksmax.org has the same username here, and brags. well then yeah thats pretty retarded and low effort.

 

[BlkPillPres]

private discord server i would assume

im sure there are other cases of private stuff on discord being leaked here.

Stop playing bullshit semantic word games

Privacy only applies to the actual person, you can't say that someone "doxxed" your "anonymous account", it doesn't work like that, nobody knows who these people are, they just know that they aren't incels and shouldn't be here.

If you were talking about actually doxxing these people's real identities you'd have a point, but you can't "doxx" their "anonymous identity", that's retarded.

 

[Deleted member 39569]

Stop playing bullshit semantic word games

Privacy only applies to the actual person, you can't say that someone "doxxed" your "anonymous account", it doesn't work like that, nobody knows who these people are, they just know that they aren't incels and shouldn't be here.

If you were talking about actually doxxing these people's real identities you'd have a point, but you can't "doxx" their "anonymous identity", that's retarded.

why is it called a "PM", a "private message"?

privacy for internet stuff exists. you're the one playing bullshit semantic word games

 

[BrettyBoy]

Well, if a dude posts on this forum but someone finds his Facebook and the dude is posting on Facebook about how he is slaying local women but posts on here about how he is undesired by women then he deserves a ban as he isn’t an incel an just a plain liar.

This is just an example. Not sure if this is actually happening.

 

[Deleted member 38579]

why is it called a "PM", a "private message"?

privacy for internet stuff exists. you're the one playing bullshit semantic word games

''no u'' nice rebuttal dude

 

[ShiiOfTheSPLC]

private discord server i would assume

im sure there are other cases of private stuff on discord being leaked here.

as for the ones on other forums, let's say a user on looksmax.org has the same username here, and brags. well then yeah thats pretty retarded and low effort.

who the fuck cares if someone’s “private information” was leaked if that information is “they’re a LARPing non incel troll who pretends to be an incel to piss people off and start flame wars” (which is ONLY tied to their virtual identity, nothing about them irl)

you keep using that word “privacy” in a disingenuous way but it legit doesn’t even matter from the start

people getting exposed as fakecels/trolls/LARPers who subvert this forum because they bragged on discord is actually a GOOD thing, objectively.

"THINK ABOUT THE "VIRTUAL RIGHTS" OF THE TROLLS THAT LAUGH AT US BROS"

 

[Deleted member 39569]

who the fuck cares if someone’s “private information” was leaked if that information is “they’re a LARPing non incel troll who pretends to be an incel to piss people off and start flame wars” (which is ONLY tied to their virtual identity, nothing about them irl)

you keep using that word “privacy” in a disingenuous way but it legit doesn’t even matter from the start

people getting exposed as fakecels/trolls/LARPers who subvert this forum because they bragged on discord is actually a GOOD thing, objectively.

fat link was the one who used the word privacy in the first place, implying it had to do with their virtual identity. so i suppose he is the one using is "disingenuously"

 

[ShiiOfTheSPLC]

fat link was the one who used the word privacy in the first place, implying it had to do with their virtual identity. so i suppose he is the one using is "disingenuously"

its pretty clear what’s being talked about in this thread though. no one mentioned anything in this thread about doxxing anyone’s irl name, face or information (or anything relevant to their irl identity)

the sole issue here is users bragging and revealing that they’re non-incels who troll this forum because they think they can get away with it. and you seem to argue that this is a sacred, protected matter of “personal privacy” because ???

They are exposing THEIR FAKE identity, not their real life name, address, etc. Why are you speaking like there's some problem with outing a larpers fake identity. If you were talking about doxxing their real names, addresses, etc I'd understand your point, but you aren't, you are acting like getting outed as a faker is a violation of privacy, it isn't, their real life stays untouched and they go back to their normie real life (as it should be)

 

[Deleted member 39569]

its pretty clear what’s being talked about in this thread though. no one mentioned anything in this thread about doxxing anyone’s irl name, face or information (or anything relevant to their irl identity)

the sole issue here is users bragging and revealing that they’re non-incels who troll this forum because they think they can get away with it. and you seem to argue that this is a sacred, protected matter of “personal privacy” because ???

i never called it "sacred", lol

tbh it seems like we are just playing semantic word games on IRL vs internet "privacy", or "secrets", or whatever

not once did i say fakecels should be allowed on the forum. all i'm doing is allowing fat link to make an informed decision. he's the boss, so what he says goes. and i guess it is up to him how important "internet privacy" is. (or whatever you wanna call it)

 

[BlkPillPres]

why is it called a "PM", a "private message"?

Ok retard, by your logic if I send you a PM right now showing you I'm Chad, me holding a piece of paper showing a time stamp and my username, with a video of me getting my dick sucked, I guess it's "private" so you can't tell anyone right?

You wouldn't "violate" my "privacy" right?

Privacy only applies under good faith and within a certain scope. Your ISP can't just give up your internet history willy nilly to anyone, but if a government agency says you may be a suspect for a recent act of terrorism they have to give it up despite how "private" it is.

Your property is "private property", but if you are kidnapping, holding women captive in your basement and raping them, it doesn't matter how "private" your property is.

PRIVACY ONLY APPLIES UNDER GOOD FAITH

WHICH TROLLS AND LARPS DO NOT HAVE

ONCE AGAIN, THEIR LIVES ARE STILL PRIVATE, IT'S JUST THEIR ANONYMOUS ACCOUNT AND THEM TROLLING THAT ISN'T

 

[Deleted member 39569]

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oh i would report it. you seem to be under the impression i think privacy must be respected at all costs

fat link seems concerned with that though. also that would be on this site , not offsite


technically, this is more just privacy applies unless some higher powerful force tries to override it

so i guess fat link will have to be the judge. since he is the boss

(btw: i get some message about approval, so i had to edit your post to dots.)

(heck, i got two messages waiting on it rn lol)

 

[Sparrow's Song]

yes if they're not incel

this

Its not about punishment why being banned from an incel website would be an punishment? its about being incel vs not being incel, we as men cant say for sure based on looks alone but if someone admits having voluntary sex thats it, he is not an incel.

idk, seems like it could be used to frame users but if someone admits to being a fakecel then why let them stay here.

if users offsite activity goes against them, what will happen is it will encourage vigilante tier actions by users here to seek out users who brag on others sites

let's make a comparison to "pedo hunters". pedo hunters deliberately go out of their way to enforce laws by seeking out criminals, instead of letting the higher ups take care of it. they think to themselves, "oh the law enforcement isn't good enough, I'll take it into my own hands"

so if we ban users for offsite activities, the implications of such a policy are to tell the users to be "vigliantes" and stalk other users outside the forum. and this includes lying in order to infiltrate discords or other secret circles

so, if you truly are against "invasion of privacy", you should know the implications of setting up such a rule

Like mentioned above... Sex or being tall and non-ugly (non-cel and volcel) are what makes a fakecel. So maybe make all fakecel/infiltrator/offsite shit a thing between whoever wants to get the person banned and the mods. Also, a rule can be put in place that makes "expose" threads and shit a bannable offence if it is posted before a decision is made by the mods.

If any of the vigilantes were to go on a stalking mission and came back to get someone banned and the mod just asked "so did he say his penis was inside a willing foid?" then that would have made the forum way better for the beginning.

apparently the final member got unbanned recently (sparrows song) and is now back. but another member (lll) is not back because of this thread. so this rule clearly has a precedence to encourage stalking behaviors

TIcels tbh

its pretty clear what’s being talked about in this thread though. no one mentioned anything in this thread about doxxing anyone’s irl name, face or information (or anything relevant to their irl identity)

the sole issue here is users bragging and revealing that they’re non-incels who troll this forum because they think they can get away with it. and you seem to argue that this is a sacred, protected matter of “personal privacy” because ???

It's because most of the time you guys don't have evidence of sex having JFL

 

[mentally lost cel 1]

If someone admits they are a fakecel cuck on another site then they shouldn’t be welcome here any longer