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Discussion Should Mental Health Treatment be Mandatory Like it Was Pre-1980s?

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Many people here have proudly proclaimed that I am just another "Bluepilled Libtard" and no different from an SJW cuck. This is not entirely accurate. I'm actually a Reaganite Conservative and believe he was one of our greatest President. I disagree with him on policy but deeply respect him as a person, the fact that he wouldn't even take off his jacket in the oval office. He truly paid it the respect it deserved.

One thing I strongly disagree with Reagan is the shutting down of mental institutions because "muh spending" and "muh freedom". I totally agree we need balanced budgets, it's something I advocate for deeply, but I do not believe shutting down mental institutions is the way to go about doing this. I also strongly believe in freedom, but I do not believe that one has the freedom to be mentally ill and refuse treatment and help from society. By doing so you are a danger to yourself and others. I see so many people on the streets of NYC talking to themselves, screaming at walls, they are literally "crazy schizos". I sometimes call right-wing extremists "schizos" for some of their far-fetched ideas, but these are actual schizos.

I believe if someone is behavior is off, they should be examined by medical professionals, who, if a tribunal dictates, can be hauled off for compulsory treatment. This idea may sound authoritarian, and perhaps it is, but this was the norm throughout Western history. The freedom of the mentally ill to disrupt society did not offset the freedom of the mentally sound to enjoy their lives. These people truly corrupted the morale of their environment.

I also believe this is good for the mentally ill people. Imagine how many truly mentally ill incels would be saved if they were forced to speak to school counsellers, and those deemed too mentally abnormal were forced to undergo treatment. The treatment doesn't have to involve eletro-shocks like "One Flu Over the Cuckoo Nest", it could simply be mandatory socialization classes, talks with therapists, and ways to normalize them so they may one day have a chance of fitting in and "ascending".

The one danger to this idea is the threat of psychiatric tyranny. Medical elites could use their position of expertise to lock up political dissidents, much like what happened in the Soviet Union. However, I believe the threat of this is greatly overplayed. The Western Institutional structure generally has enough checks and balances and social mechanisms against biases to prevent that. Although our criminal justice system has systemic flaws, it generally works and has held firm for over 200 years. Perhaps a similar system within the psychiatric institutional community would fare well. I am not hear to argue the exact mechanisms for how we would go about implementing these policies, I am just agreeing with the ideas in essence.

What do you think? Are my ideas inherently anti-incel and bluepilled or would this craft a better world, both for normies and the incels we seek to help?
 
bro you aren't a loser, stop posting here
 
I'm an incel, is that not what matters?
bro, you are a volcel, considering your job you have possibilities to ascend, most users are NEETs, just saying
 
As someone who was locked up in a mental ward many times, no, it shouldn't be mandatory. here where i live there is something called the mental health act that allows doctors to treat patients against their will. due to this act I've been pinned down and forced to take needles, locked in solitary confinement for hours on end and tied up in those anti suicide garments that lock your arms together. the staff treated me as subhuman, it was hell and i can assure you that locking mentalcels in these places will do more harm than good personally speaking. why take the freedom away in order to "treat" these almost incurable diseases?

any other mentalcels agree?
 
bro, you are a volcel, considering your job you have possibilities to ascend, most users are NEETs, just saying

Explain how i would ascend with my job when women show me zero sexual attraction.
 
As someone who was locked up in a mental ward many times, no, it shouldn't be mandatory. here where i live there is something called the mental health act that allows doctors to treat patients against their will. due to this act I've been pinned down and forced to take needles, locked in solitary confinement for hours on end and tied up in those anti suicide garments that lock your arms together. the staff treated me as subhuman, it was hell and i can assure you that locking mentalcels in these places will do more harm than good personally speaking. why take the freedom away in order to "treat" these almost incurable diseases?

any other mentalcels agree?
Fair point.

If the argument was simply to help mentalcels and for that reason exclusively, I would not support it. Part of my argument relied on the benefits it would give to society by keeping unruly people away from public view; the fact that it may help mentalcels was the cherry on top because I don't believe restricting people's freedom for the good of society is justified unless you could prove the harm it caused to those of whom you restricted the freedom of was relatively minor.... but from what you say, it's not minor at all.
 
stop making threads you fucking piece of shit die, kill yourself fucking faggot i hate you with every ounce of my being please for the love of anything kys
 
Explain how i would ascend with my job when women show me zero sexual attraction.
even if you were ugly af, strange considering your job, you can still pay a lot of whores, with your money
 
I'm not against this idea, just investigate the bullies first. They are the ones disrupting communities. Start with treatment of loud, dominant, aggressive types not shy and quiet ones. Unfortunately this never happens because cowardciety worship power.
 
even if you were ugly af, strange considering your job, you can still pay a lot of whores, with your money
I don't earn enough to hire them unless I was hiring some very cheap ones. Rent eats up a lot of my income.

I'm not against this idea, just investigate the bullies first. They are the ones disrupting communities. Start with treatment of loud, dominant, aggressive types not shy and quiet ones. Unfortunately this never happens because cowardciety worship power.
I am inclined to agree.
 
stop making threads you fucking piece of shit die, kill yourself fucking faggot i hate you with every ounce of my being please for the love of anything kys
even if you were ugly af, strange considering your job, you can still pay a lot of whores, with your money
see
If u've been on the site in the past few days u might've noticed @TorturedSoul spamming his faggy GrAY threads everywhere. This guy is likely a larper who first complains about living with a roommate and not being able to afford escorts then later on claims he's one of the financial elite:feelskek:. Apart from being anti-feminist he is bluepilled af on everything and idk how he hasn't been banned yet for his sheer cuckoldry. I suggest putting this larping infiltrator on ignore and maybe he'll get bored eventually
 
@Komesarj89 just gave me a 10% for calling this normie piece of shit out. goes to show that the (((mods))) are just normie-tier feds who will do anything to protect their own kind, including breaking cover to punish people who call out users that they are inleague with (other normie pieces of shit)
 
I agree because I've been through the
As someone who was locked up in a mental ward many times, no, it shouldn't be mandatory. here where i live there is something called the mental health act that allows doctors to treat patients against their will. due to this act I've been pinned down and forced to take needles, locked in solitary confinement for hours on end and tied up in those anti suicide garments that lock your arms together. the staff treated me as subhuman, it was hell and i can assure you that locking mentalcels in these places will do more harm than good personally speaking. why take the freedom away in order to "treat" these almost incurable diseases?

any other mentalcels agree?
I agree cause I've been through the same shit as you and it's not fun or helps in any way
 
@Komesarj89 just gave me a 10% for calling this normie piece of shit out. goes to show that the (((mods))) are just normie-tier feds who will do anything to protect their own kind, including breaking cover to punish people who call out users that they are inleague with (other normie pieces of shit)
the warning doesn't even have a reason jfl
 
[UWSL]Not your bastard garbage, what is it to be normal?[/UWSL] [UWSL]No one should be forced to anything, these remedies destroy their minds and make people zombies, rubbish dumps have destroyed the mind of mine forcing her to take many medicines.[/UWSL]
 
the warning doesn't even have a reason jfl
its because hes a normie npc fbicel just like the other (((admins))) and theyre garbage at their jobs, thats why theyre delegated to the fucking incel site. so they cant help but break their cover half the time defending their normie npc brothern. its clear as day
 
[UWSL][UWSL]I hate you your bastard, you are not liberal your damn, you are trash in favor of demonic psychiatrists and psychologists who want to control people making them zombies and sheep obedient with their devil remedies to destroy their minds and "treatments" especially people[/UWSL] [UWSL]Which are different, unique and rebellious, all psychiatrists and psychologists and the people who support them as you should die and be exterminated to have a true free society (in video games). [/UWSL][/UWSL]
 
[UWSL][UWSL]I hate you your bastard, you are not liberal your damn, you are trash in favor of demonic psychiatrists and psychologists who want to control people making them zombies and sheep obedient with their devil remedies to destroy their minds and "treatments" especially people[/UWSL] [UWSL]Which are different, unique and rebellious, all psychiatrists and psychologists and the people who support them as you should die and be exterminated to have a true free society (in video games). [/UWSL][/UWSL]

My cousin is a licensed psychiatrist. I can assure you he is a very candid person. I've spoken to him about some very controversal views, far outside the overton window. He has never once implied I should be locked up or demonstrated concern for my health because of these views. He is not some capitalist KGB agent, he has a genuine desire to help people who are a danger to themselves and others and wants to protect society from illnesses.

Were I to go around screaming and punching people, I would be deemed a threat. If i am to logically and rationally espouse politically hot opinions and arguably even metaphysically ubiquitous, such as anti-natalism, I am treated with the respect my first amendment right grants me.
 
[UWSL][UWSL]I prefer people on the streets or talking alone than locked just because they don't sheep obedient in the system. [/UWSL][/UWSL]
 
My cousin is a licensed psychiatrist. I can assure you he is a very candid person. I've spoken to him about some very controversal views, far outside the overton window. He has never once implied I should be locked up or demonstrated concern for my health because of these views. He is not some capitalist KGB agent, he has a genuine desire to help people who are a danger to themselves and others and wants to protect society from illnesses.

Were I to go around screaming and punching people, I would be deemed a threat. If i am to logically and rationally espouse politically hot opinions and arguably even metaphysically ubiquitous, such as anti-natalism, I am treated with the respect my first amendment right grants me.
[UWSL][UWSL]You and your cousin are cursed bastards, and I don't care if there are people screaming is just an outbreak that will soon pass unlike the demons that your cousin garbage makes people take people's minds forever until they make them zombies[/UWSL] [UWSL]. [/UWSL][/UWSL]
 
My cousin is a licensed psychiatrist. I can assure you he is a very candid person. I've spoken to him about some very controversal views, far outside the overton window. He has never once implied I should be locked up or demonstrated concern for my health because of these views. He is not some capitalist KGB agent, he has a genuine desire to help people who are a danger to themselves and others and wants to protect society from illnesses.

Were I to go around screaming and punching people, I would be deemed a threat. If i am to logically and rationally espouse politically hot opinions and arguably even metaphysically ubiquitous, such as anti-natalism, I am treated with the respect my first amendment right grants me.
[UWSL][UWSL]I wanted you and your cousin trash and you be beaten to death (in video games). [/UWSL][/UWSL]
 
[UWSL][UWSL]One day I will kill some cursed psychiatrist and psychologist, I will take revenge on these bastards who ruined my life and my mother (in GTA V). [/UWSL][/UWSL]
 
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My cousin is a licensed psychiatrist. I can assure you he is a very candid person. I've spoken to him about some very controversal views, far outside the overton window. He has never once implied I should be locked up or demonstrated concern for my health because of these views. He is not some capitalist KGB agent, he has a genuine desire to help people who are a danger to themselves and others and wants to protect society from illnesses.

Were I to go around screaming and punching people, I would be deemed a threat. If i am to logically and rationally espouse politically hot opinions and arguably even metaphysically ubiquitous, such as anti-natalism, I am treated with the respect my first amendment right grants me.
[UWSL][UWSL]Yes, his son of bastard bitch, I prefer a person shouting and to punching people on the street than in a bed like vegetables taking demons drugs. [/UWSL][/UWSL]
 
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[UWSL][UWSL]I prefer to die from taking the drugs of demons[/UWSL][UWSL] [/UWSL][UWSL]psychiatrists and psychologists. [/UWSL][/UWSL]
 
[UWSL][UWSL]Psychiatrist and psychologists are making it all a disease today enough to have some different behavior, they are pathologizing everything. [/UWSL][/UWSL]
 
Are the majority of psychiatrists creepy control-freaks in personality who whenever someone they know personally has an emotion they don't understand or subjectively agree with try to control, manipulate and ultimately undermine that person.
 
Many of them are social misfits in life and have values which do not connect, nor skills with their medical peers.

They are more “actors” that create a social pyramid scheme using patients as theie growth stature. They put or mis-classify someone under them of real stature and “control” their life by action or omission or deprivation, and it produces something that exceeds or arouses any adult male or female.
 
They are rubbish doctors.

Their so called methods of helping people are torturing them and abusing them. Deciding life-affecting decisions for patients against their will and then not want to hear what the patients have to say.

All the psych staff I have met in my own country and in other countries are either sociopathic or narcissistic in many more ways then one. I begin to suspect toxicness is a personality must have to apply for a position in psychiatry and psychology.
 
The general purpose of Psychiatry, as proposed by the late Dr. Thomas Szasz, a Psychiatrist who criticized his own profession for decades, is the exercise of social control by force. The question to ask is what is the purpose of this social control? The answer seems to be that because all 50 states in the United Snakes of America have laws allowing such coercion by Psychiatry, that at least it is somewhat to grant a greater illusion of safety through these laws of the public through the state legislatures and those who continue to support these laws. The mere mention of “mental patient” conjures up all sorts of fears in the public, and this is one mechanism by which these fears can be—and are—alleviated.
 
The job of Psychiatrists is to ensure the perpetuation of its own profession—which, among all professions is among the most dangerous from lacking science or any other justification that is sound for its exercise of force and its definitions of mental illness that inherently removes all power from such patients by defining out of same the ability to so much as be minimally aware of their surroundings or behaviors or mental illnesses, so called. And it does so effectively—not by science, but by lying to the general public about what it does, and then justifying everything it does, including never providing anything close to the informed consent for a single procedure it still uses for any patient. It is a bombastic, morally filthy activity that has hoodwinked not only the entire US, but indeed, the entire world—which certainly proves one thing:how easily duped human beings are vulnerable to being, including the ones that make public policy and/or maintain same.
 
Yet rather calling Psychiatry a “fraud”, the hopes and dreams of people continue to be so completely bound up in the idea that such a scheme and system can in fact improve most people’s lives and by extension the whole of society—which, in a word, is sheer RUBBISH.
 
But in the case of most medicine, and especially psychiatry, I don't buy a word of it.
These "people of science" basically admit two things: One, that while antidepressants and other treatments "work," they don't know why they work. And two, that we know very little about the human brain.
Here's how I view it: Psychiatrists are people who deal with popular hypotheses surrounding intangible phenomena as though they are scientific fact, and their strategy for prescribing drugs is basically throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks.
 
In the psychiatry community, there seems to be a general consensus that it is a "safe, effective treatment" and that it "works most of the time." Yet they only have maybe one or two small studies that actually support that, and said studies are contradicted by other studies that show much lower rates of success. Yet they go around stating it as though it is fact. "It works 85% of the time!" Where the fuck was this ever established?

Moreover, they try to downplay the memory loss, making claims that it's only temporary and only involves short-term stuff. Yet anywhere on the internet where anyone is asked about their ECT, they almost invariably mention they suffered memory loss, and a large number of these people say it was permanent. And they no longer function at the same level.

Yet here we have these "professional men and women of science," proclaiming it is awesome and magical and wonderful, and that the side effects are somehow "minimal." Because, like, who would really want to remember how to speak in basic English? Who would want to remember big moments in their lives? Who would want to have the capacity to remember things someone told you a minute ago, or something you just read (if you can still read) or saw on TV that happened in the unfolding of a plot? Small things like that.
 

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