Blackpill Self-improvement is not an addition, but a multiplier.

[KingOfRome]

Whatever it is, be it getting a good career, going to the gym, having a good personality, or whatever else, the impact it makes on how attractive you are is directly proportional to your genetic base attractiveness, that is, how attractive you are on your own as a baseline. This is why it works for normies and up, but not for us. We don't have a good enough base for self-improvement to make a difference.

Let me illustrate.

Let's say, as a male, you need a value of 60 SMV to be competitive in the dating market at the middling level, 180 to be competitive at the top 10% class, and a minimum of 30 to participate. (These values are arbitrary, so don't get hung up over the precise numbers.)

We have three men: There's Chad, with a base of 150; Tom, with a base of 40; and Melvin, with a base of 10.

We have these multipliers:

> Positive
- Good personality x1.1
- Good physical shape x1.25
- High status x2
- Top 10th percentile income x1.5

> Negative
- Poor x.75
- Slightly below average physical shape e.g. skinnyfat x0.85
- Extremely below average shape e.g. morbidly obese or double amputee x0.5
- Bad personality x0.9
- Extreme mental illness x0.5

Let's say all three of them are high status, in good shape, and have top 10th percentile incomes, but have bad personalities.

Chad:

150 * 1.5 = 225

150 * 2 = 300

150 * 1.25 = 187.5

150 * 0.9 = 135

Now add the differences of these values, then add the solution to the base number for Chad's net SMV.

225 - 150 = 75

300 - 150 = 150

187.5 - 150 = 37.5

135 - 150 = -15

75 + 150 + 37.5 - 15 = 247.5

That is a massive number for Chad and could easily put him over the top 5th percentile without even including his base value of 150. His real SMV is a jaw-dropping 397.5.

Melvin:

10 * 1.5 = 15

10 * 1.25 = 12.5

10 * 2 = 20

10 * 0.9 = 9

15 - 10 = 5

12.5 - 10 = 2.5

20 - 10 = 10

9 - 10 = -1

5 + 2.5 + 10 - 1 = 16.5

Now add Melvin's base of 10.

10 + 16.5 = 26.5

Just shy of the absolute minimum requirement of 30. It's over for Melvin.

Tom:

40 * 1.5 = 60

40 * 1.25 = 50

40 * 2 = 80

40 * 0.9 = 36

60 - 40 = 20

50 - 40 = 10

80 - 40 = 40

36 - 40 = -4

20 + 10 + 40 - 4 = 66

This is already more than double Melvin's total SMV, but it's only in addition to Tom's base 40, whose total has become 106. Tom has gone from getting ghosted by obese single moms with rotting teeth after the first date to having a fairly decent, if far from ideal, dating life.

Self-improvement has been more valuable to Tom than it has been for Melvin, and although Chad got even more out of it on paper than Tom, in practice, Chad's base was already so high he probably didn't notice the effect too much -- the law of diminishing returns is in full effect here.

Keep this in mind when normies tell you self-improvement will improve your chances. It will, but not enough to make the difference you need to make the effort worthwhile.

 

[Deleted member 18214]

This makes perfect sense tbh, we have no chance of ascending.

 

[Glokta]

Newton level IQ.

Also, in Chad's case bad personality (if we label antisocial behavior as bad personality) only makes him more attractive in the eyes of foids. I would argue attraction is not only multiplicative but also certain men, if they are good-looking enough, can use bad traits to their advantage to make themselves look even more desirable.

 

[Mik_TFL]

High IQ post. Some of the multipliers are debatable, but they might also vary with location/age e.g. having more income is much more valuable if you are in a 3rd world shithole.

I might add, that even though self improvement might not help our SMV a lot, it is still a good goal anyway, the process of self improvement is enjoyable in itself.

 

[Deleted member 15752]

HIGH iq.

 

[doomed 7]

tfw too low IQ to read full text.

 

[tehgymcel420]

Ethnic x0.00

 

[FinnCel]

Newton level IQ.

 

[KingOfRome]

High IQ post. Some of the multipliers are debatable, but they might also vary with location/age e.g. having more income is much more valuable if you are in a 3rd world shithole.

I might add, that even though self improvement might not help our SMV a lot, it is still a good goal anyway, the process of self improvement is enjoyable in itself.

High income in particular is a worthwhile investment even if it doesn't directly boost your SMV. Melvin in this example can easily go to Southeast Asia and buy plenty of affection.

 

[ionlycopenow]

0 x100= 0

 

[rabitter]

We have three men: There's Chad, with a base of 150; Tom, with a base of 40; and Melvin, with a base of 10.

And then there's Truecel with a base of 0.

 

[Deleted member 19756]

Average male value has been centered around his ability to provide resources in thousands of societies. This dropped with ever increasing rates of females in higher education.

Now a single males greatest values are superficial to women not desiring marriage. And the women that desire marriage are searching for men who can provide values not traditionally asked for. e.g. division of house work, double income, better neighborhood, stay at home father or day care, better schools for their children.

Any man that falls into traditional betabux has the same value those men have always had. Anyone that's outside that traditional framework will be judged by the qualities you've listed.

Low quality men in our system can't get out of the system without traditional gender roles.

 

[Incline]

You can't put maths in this shit its illegal.

 

[TheGambler2]

It's over for Melvin.

 

[Deleted member 4159]

Good point though.

 

[jerrycan dan]

very high IQ and much more in tune with reality than a rigid points system

 

[Deleted member 15737]

Pretty much common sense, but you have to spell it out for bluepillers and they still will deny it. I'm in the camp that most incels are fakecels though, very few people here have even tried to looksmax or approach women and/or they are not even out of highschool. Once you get my age or older or you have a crippling disability like autism, ect. Then you can say it's over.