Blackpill Schizo Post: What is freedom without sin?

[Icarus]

If heaven exists how would people have freedom without things becoming chaotic? How would there be control in a non predetermined world?

If consciousness comes from god it must be predetermined or else it wouldn't exist.

(How would you create something without being aware of what you just made?)

How could predeterminism not exist if events have already been foretold in the Bible?

How come nothing makes any fucking sense?

And how come we are unaware of how we got here in the first place?

 

[HeinzKell]

2schizo4me

 

[Icarus]

I myself have two theories.

Either one:

We itself are god living out consciousness on a physical plain of existence. Memories wiped so as not to remember what the predeterminism is in the first place. (Although this can be triggered by leaks in its design ie deja vu)

Or two:

We are in some sort of hell realm. Memories wiped because we will be reincarnated at some point. Some sort of demonic entity feeds off of the suffering of our lives, and earth itself is a prison.

Now as to why there is so many people here remains a mystery if we are in fact god. Why wouldn't we just create a new world after this one?

 

[Based NaziCel]

Sins only apply here, on the earth.In the heaven, things that are considered to be sins on the earth are not considered sins in the heaven

 

[Icarus]

The more I dig deeper and deeper the more uncertain it becomes. And I don't feel smart enough to be able to comprehend any of this.

I feel like I have been neutered and spade. Like as soon as I came here my intelligence dropped exponentially, and I have been reduced to nothing.

I am curious as to if my memory will return to me once I eventually pass away, but I am terrified at what lies at the end of this.

If we are God then there is nothing else beyond death, and we are all alone. Stuck in a black void. Forced to create something so as not to get bored, and so consciousness begins again on earth, or somewhere else.

If we are in hell then we are fucked as well because this will never end, and the suffering will never stop.

All of it feels out of my control. I don't want to be responsible if I created this.

 

[Icarus]

Sins only apply here, on the earth.In the heaven, things that are considered to be sins on the earth are not considered sins in the heaven

If heaven does exist then it must be without the body because everything sinful comes back to the material realm.

 

[Icarus]

2schizo4me

I don't even understand it myself. I hate feeling so dumb. So powerless. Everything feels so primitive.

 

[Icarus]

Sins only apply here, on the earth.In the heaven, things that are considered to be sins on the earth are not considered sins in the heaven

Also how does this make any sense? How come it's bad here by okay somewhere else? I've never understood morality completely.

 

[Icarus]

Maybe we are just here to create. To showcase what this all means to us.

 

[Icarus]

I don't believe that i will find the answers in religious books.

 

[Icarus]

Anyways that's just a little schizo rant for tonight. I hate thinking about this stuff when it all leads back to nothing. Maybe overthinking is a mental illness?

 

[Icarus]

Another thing, I recently saw on YouTube a pretty good comment. It stated "how could there be god's plan if preterminism doesn't exist?"

We have been set up from the jump buddy boyos. It's so over. God thought about our lives and created us as a joke to laugh it.

I'm sure he watches through our eyes in glee and satisfaction

 

[R(p)apist1488]

If heaven exists how would people have freedom without things becoming chaotic? How would there be control in a non predetermined world?

If consciousness comes from god it must be predetermined or else it wouldn't exist.

(How would you create something without being aware of what you just made?)

How could predeterminism not exist if events have already been foretold in the Bible?

How come nothing makes any fucking sense?

And how come we are unaware of how we got here in the first place?

God is aware when he creates consiousness. He is aware of all he does. Knowing the future ≠ predetermination. God by virtue of his being all powerful knows what will happen, but doesn't neccessarily will it. Rather he allows it. Some things he may will a bit more while others he allows to happen. Hope this helps.

 

[Icarus]

God is aware when he creates consiousness. He is aware of all he does. Knowing the future ≠ predetermination. God by virtue of his being all powerful knows what will happen, but doesn't neccessarily will it. Rather he allows it. Some things he may will a bit more while others he allows to happen. Hope this helps.

So God is evil then?

 

[R(p)apist1488]

So God is evil then?

No, bad things can be a punishment or something God allows. God allows suffering because suffering is often the root of beauty amd character building. While suffering is a curse from the sin of Adam, God has still allowed a great temporal end to arise from it, which I just mentioned.

 

[Icarus]

No, bad things can be a punishment or something God allows. God allows suffering because suffering is often the root of beauty amd character building. While suffering is a curse from the sin of Adam, God has still allowed a great temporal end to arise from it, which I just mentioned.

But what about the children in third world countries getting slaughtered? Babies getting aborted, people getting sexually abused? How is there character growth in things that are out of our control? And how come he picks favorites while leaving some to remain homeless out on the streets?

If God created it, and he allows it to happen then there is no greater evil then allowing his creation to suffer.

 

[Icarus]

I do in some part believe in character growth, but if it is predetermined then why does it even matter in the first place? It's just a source of entertainment.

 

[R(p)apist1488]

But what about the children in third world countries getting slaughtered? Babies getting aborted, people getting sexually abused? How is there character growth in things that are out of our control? And how come he picks favorites while leaving some to remain homeless out on the streets?

If God created it, and he allows it to happen then there is no greater evil then allowing his creation to suffer.

The idea God owes us anything is incorrect. We all have sinned and since gravity of evil is determined by who is offended do we not deserve our sufferings for offending the ultimate good? As for the abortion question, these children go to Limbo, so they experience no pain and live in joy. God doesn't stop these evils inflicted by humans because they would violate our free will. Since we have cast him away and rejected him we have been often left to fend for ourselves. It is out of sheer mercy anyone continues to live even another day.

 

[Icarus]

The idea God owes us anything is incorrect. We all have sinned and since gravity of evil is determined by who is offended do we not deserve our sufferings for offending the ultimate good? As for the abortion question, these children go to Limbo, so they experience no pain and live in joy. God doesn't stop these evils inflicted by humans because they would violate our free will. Since we have cast him away and rejected him we have been often left to fend for ourselves. It is out of sheer mercy anyone continues to live even another day.

But God is the creator of sin. He is the creator of everything.

If predeterminism exists then there cannot be free will. And if there is no free will then there is no test or divine path towards ascension.

Also I am not stating that God owes us anything, but if I did then I would be curious as to your reasoning behind this opinion?

If you believe in heaven and hell then isn't that contradictory to you stating that we are not deserving of anything?

 

[R(p)apist1488]

But God is the creator of sin. He is the creator of everything.

If predeterminism exists then there cannot be free will. And if there is no free will then there is no test or divine path towards ascension.

Also I am not stating that God owes us anything, but if I did then I would be curious as to your reasoning behind this opinion?

If you believe in heaven and hell then isn't that contradictory to you stating that we are not deserving of anything?

We cannot be deserving of Heaven, we cooperate with God's grace, but salvation isn't of ourselves. God allows sin, he doesn't create it.

 

[Abacaxi14]

I dont know if i am sprwading miss information, so do not take me seriously.

In paper i think it means people in heaven are able to sin but just choose not to.

 

[Icarus]

I dont know if i am sprwading miss information, so do not take me seriously.

In paper i think it means people in heaven are able to sin but just choose not to.

How though if we are biologically programmed to sin?

 

[Abacaxi14]

How though if we are biologically programmed to sin?

I dont know. I aint god.

Religion has more questions than it can answer. Just accept that and move on.

Also religion is for retardeds

 

[Icarus]

We cannot be deserving of Heaven, we cooperate with God's grace, but salvation isn't of ourselves. God allows sin, he doesn't create it.

Then that is where I believe we disagree. It all ties in with predeterminism.

 

[Icarus]

I dont know. I aint god.

Religion has more questions than it can answer. Just accept that and move on.

Also religion is for retardeds

Why would I accept something that doesn't make sense? If I am to get out of here then I have to figure out why I am here in the first place.

 

[Abacaxi14]

Why would I accept something that doesn't make sense? If I am to get out of here then I have to figure out why I am here in the first place.

Accept that it doesnt make sense.

You cant figure out why you are here. No one can.

 

[R(p)apist1488]

Then that is where I believe we disagree. It all ties in with predeterminism.

Are you Christian?

 

[Icarus]

Are you Christian?

I used to be a long time ago. But it seems the longer I'm here the less I believe. I see so much going on, and the pain that everyone is going through, and I can't justify it to myself.

And so my philosophy has become that what I see is just a reflection of who the creator is.

I don't believe he is good or righteous, but rather an enjoyer of this mess that he has made.

And we will suffer for it.

 

[R(p)apist1488]

I used to be a long time ago. But it seems the longer I'm here the less I believe. I see so much going on, and the pain that everyone is going through, and I can't justify it to myself.

And so my philosophy has become that what I see is just a reflection of who the creator is.

I don't believe he is good or righteous, but rather an enjoyer of this mess that he has made.

And we will suffer for it.

Hmm, if I can find some good books on the matter I could send reccomendations, if you're interested.

 

[based_meme]

When you schizo post too hard.

 

[Manzokunai]

2schizo4me

This

 

[Icarus]

Hmm, if I can find some good books on the matter I could send reccomendations, if you're interested.

I'm trying to stay as far away from Christianity as possibly tbh. I appreciate the discussion though.

 

[Icarus]

When you schizo post too hard.

This

It's pretty much just me arguing about free will and predeterminism. Ironically enough this has already been written even though I'm just now writing this

 

[based_meme]

It's pretty much just me arguing about free will and predeterminism. Ironically enough this has already been written even though I'm just now writing this

Try to organize your thoughts into coherent blocks, instead of spamming them chaotically.

 

[Icarus]

Try to organize your thoughts into coherent blocks, instead of spamming them chaotically.

 

[faded]

If heaven exists how would people have freedom without things becoming chaotic? How would there be control in a non predetermined world?

If consciousness comes from god it must be predetermined or else it wouldn't exist.

(How would you create something without being aware of what you just made?)

How could predeterminism not exist if events have already been foretold in the Bible?

How come nothing makes any fucking sense?

And how come we are unaware of how we got here in the first place?

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[Icarus]

Oyyyyyyyyyyy

I have unmasked you saar

 

[faded]

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[Icarus]

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[Manzokunai]

It's pretty much just me arguing about free will and predeterminism. Ironically enough this has already been written even though I'm just now writing this

Scary.

 

[Sloth]

2schizo4me

 

[Icarus]

Scary.