Race Realism #1: Differences between West Eurasian populations

[Hoodpreet]

Feel like the forum needs this, cause I see too much "*x* aren't white" and "are *x* white" posting on here. Also cause I see too many people confusing Europeans with Caucasians.

To start, "Caucasoid" is not a race. It's an outdated craniometric classification that modern day population genetics has proven to be wrong. While the genetic macro-population "West Eurasian" does approximate "Caucasoid" to an extent in terms of encompassing many of the same groups, they are not the same, as Caucasoid was a much bigger-tent classification that included groups like North Indians, Ethiopians, and Somalis, who do NOT cluster with West Eurasians. European and West Eurasian people also do not have their origins in the Caucasus mountains like Blumenbach believed.

Each West Eurasian population can be autosomally modeled as a mix of three primary ancestral populations:

Europeans - Anatolian Neolithic Farmers + Western Hunter-Gatherers + Early-to-Middle Bronze Age Steppe Herders​

Caucasians - Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers + Anatolian Neolithic Farmers + Eastern Hunter-Gatherers​

West Asians - Iranian Neolithic Farmers + Anatolian Neolithic Farmers + Natufians​

North Africans - Iberomaurusians + Natufians + Anatolian Neolithic Farmers (+ Sub-Saharan Africans for Egyptians and Southern Maghrebis)​

As you may notice, all four of these populations share a common Neolithic Anatolian "glue," which is why they're similar in the grand scheme of things and, to an extent, overlap at the margins. Here are some PCA clustering plots to help visualize the genetic distance:

West Eurasian PCA

Pan-Eurasian PCA

Global PCA

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Here are some of the most common phenotypes for each of the four West Eurasian sub-groups (they're not mutually exclusive, and can overlap):

European

Caucasian

West Asian

North African

 

[Hoodpreet]

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[Hoodpreet]

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@Pikacel @The Notorious SLAV @DoomThreeKoala @FuckYou @Rapistcel @AsiaCel @Exalted Monarch

Can't forget @Lonely Slav (though this is shit you already know lol)

 

[FuckYou]

This should be pinned for all the people who don’t know what they’re talking about.

 

[parbate2025]

Feel like the forum needs this, cause I see too much "*x* aren't white" and "are *x* white" posting on here. Also cause I see too many people confusing Europeans with Caucasians.

To start, "Caucasoid" is not a race. It's an outdated craniometric classification that modern day population genetics has proven to be wrong. While the genetic macro-population "West Eurasian" does approximate "Caucasoid" to an extent in terms of encompassing many of the same groups, they are not the same, as Caucasoid was a much bigger-tent classification that included groups like North Indians, Ethiopians, and Somalis, who do NOT cluster with West Eurasians. European and West Eurasian people also do not have their origins in the Caucasus mountains like Blumenbach believed.

Each West Eurasian population can be autosomally modeled as a mix of three primary ancestral populations:

Europeans - Anatolian Neolithic Farmers + Western Hunter-Gatherers + Early-to-Middle Bronze Age Steppe Herders​

Caucasians - Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers + Anatolian Neolithic Farmers + Eastern Hunter-Gatherers​

West Asians - Iranian Neolithic Farmers + Anatolian Neolithic Farmers + Natufians​

North Africans - Iberomaurusians + Natufians + Anatolian Neolithic Farmers (+ Sub-Saharan Africans for Egyptians and Southern Maghrebis)​

As you may notice, all four of these populations share a common Neolithic Anatolian "glue," which is why they're similar in the grand scheme of things and, to an extent, overlap at the margins. Here are some PCA clustering plots to help visualize the genetic distance:

West Eurasian PCA
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Pan-Eurasian PCA
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Global PCA
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Here are some of the most common phenotypes for each of the four West Eurasian sub-groups (they're not mutually exclusive, and can overlap):

European
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Caucasian
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West Asian
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North African
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Glad to see genetic autists are here.
Great post

 

[Hoodpreet]

Glad to see genetic autists are here.
Great post

 

[DoomThreeKoala]

This should be pinned for all the people who don’t know what they’re talking about.

 

[4RAB.GUY]

Good thread
Nafri 4 life

 

[Autist]

Bookmarked

 

[RevIncel]

Cool post
Do the other non-white races too

 

[tired as fuck]

Must read worthy tbh

 

[Moth]

Brilliant thread, but I can’t help but feel like the people that actually need to read this won’t bother to.

 

[cathuluelitist]

Secular Humanist tensions rise

 

[Pikacel]

Life starts at ANF

 

[Hoodpreet]

Cool post
Do the other non-white races too

I've definitely got a post on curries coming up. Maybe on Africans and East Asians too.

Must read worthy tbh

Life starts at ANF

 

[Eastwest404]

Only amerimutts are using "Caucasian" as another word for white, you are right

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

Good summation, saved.

 

[FarangInDaNang]

What are the differences in their characteristics? Do they behave drastically different? I’d like to know more because I know that slavics for instance are not any better than mere blacks in terms of savagery.

 

[onetwothree]

I’d like to know more because I know that slavics for instance are not any better than mere blacks in terms of savagery.

 

[FarangInDaNang]

Perhaps it came off as humorous but polish people were some of the worst I had ever encountered, maybe even worse than some blacks, ogreish quality, bullied, foid centric, work centric, thug culture, white presenting but an inner mongrel. The slavic woman are just as bad and before you say Poland is “Central Europe” it’s not, it’s hell on earth for an incel and all of Eastern Europe is, Central Europe is a made up idea it all consists of angry slav monkies who wish to take it out on the ND population. The women are the worst money oriented bimbos who are them worse then western women in many ways and who also have such Brutish low iq men to do all of their bidding, a simple act of kindness could mean your demise in Eastern Europe. Terrible, terrible place, to which I’ll never return!

 

[nihilum]

I am European.

 

[Lonely Slav]

To add some necessary nuance: West Eurasians broadly split into two primary branches - a "Eurasian" and an "Afroasiatic" one.

Europeans - Anatolian Neolithic Farmers + Western Hunter-Gatherers + Early-to-Middle Bronze Age Steppe Herders
Caucasians - Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers + Anatolian Neolithic Farmers + Eastern Hunter-Gatherers

Europeans, plus Anatolians, Caucasians, and Iranians ("Northwest Asians") belong to the Eurasian cluster. The sub-distinction between the two is in their respective ancestral populations: primarily WHG + Anatolia_N + IE steppe in Euros, whereas Northwest Asians are mainly WSHG + Iran_N + IE steppe, and...

West Asians - Iranian Neolithic Farmers + Anatolian Neolithic Farmers + Natufians
North Africans - Iberomaurusians + Natufians + Anatolian Neolithic Farmers (+ Sub-Saharan Africans for Egyptians and Southern Maghrebis)

..."Eastern Afroasiatics" (Semites + Egyptians), "Western Afroasiatics" (North Africans), and Arabians form the Afroasiatic branch. Differences are attributed to Ancient North African admixture in the Afroasiatics vs. Ancient North Eurasian admixture in the Eurasians.

Levantines are the Afroasiatics closest to Eurasians due to millennia of gene flow from the north (from Natufian to Levant Iron Age), yet they still remain unambiguously Afrasian - only Cypriots and some Druze fall somewhat in between.

There are some populations in the middle (Jews and Cypriots), but they have pecularities that explain their position and are best understood as a mix. The only thing that could be argued for is that ancient Anatolia formed a bridge between Europe and Northwest Asians, making harder to choose a boundary between "Europe" and "MENA" - though this should hardly come as a surprise given the geography.

 

[Lonely Slav]

Perhaps it came off as humorous but polish people were some of the worst I had ever encountered, maybe even worse than some blacks, ogreish quality, bullied, foid centric, work centric, thug culture, white presenting but an inner mongrel. The slavic woman are just as bad and before you say Poland is “Central Europe” it’s not, it’s hell on earth for an incel and all of Eastern Europe is, Central Europe is a made up idea it all consists of angry slav monkies who wish to take it out on the ND population. The women are the worst money oriented bimbos who are them worse then western women in many ways and who also have such Brutish low iq men to do all of their bidding, a simple act of kindness could mean your demise in Eastern Europe. Terrible, terrible place, to which I’ll never return!

Diva complexed "pick me, Westoid massa!" Poles, take note and weep.

 

[Hoodpreet]

To add some necessary nuance: West Eurasians broadly split into two primary branches - a "Eurasian" and an "Afroasiatic" one.

Europeans, plus Anatolians, Caucasians, and Iranians ("Northwest Asians") belong to the Eurasian cluster. The sub-distinction between the two is in their respective ancestral populations: primarily WHG + Anatolia_N + IE steppe in Euros, whereas Northwest Asians are mainly WSHG + Iran_N + IE steppe, and...

..."Eastern Afroasiatics" (Semites + Egyptians), "Western Afroasiatics" (North Africans), and Arabians form the Afroasiatic branch. Differences are attributed to Ancient North African admixture in the Afroasiatics vs. Ancient North Eurasian admixture in the Eurasians.
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Levantines are the Afroasiatics closest to Eurasians due to millennia of gene flow from the north (from Natufian to Levant Iron Age), yet they still remain unambiguously Afrasian - only Cypriots and some Druze fall somewhat in between.

There are some populations in the middle (Jews and Cypriots), but they have pecularities that explain their position and are best understood as a mix. The only thing that could be argued for is that ancient Anatolia formed a bridge between Europe and Northwest Asians, making harder to choose a boundary between "Europe" and "MENA" - though this should hardly come as a surprise given the geography.

Wish this site allowed reply-pinning.

BTW is WSHG West Siberian Hunter Gatherer?

 

[RandomGuy]

This should be pinned for all the people who don’t know what they’re talking about.

Bookmarked

Good summation, saved.

What a joke! Kindergarten genomics, lol. It’s much more complicated than this. Couldn’t even find the Jews.

 

[veryrare]

@wereq @Lonely Slav Thoughts on this image?

 

[Hoodpreet]

@wereq @Lonely Slav Thoughts on this image?
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ANF, WSH, and WHG were all swarthy retard. Also, WSH were barely if at all South Eurasian; every single piece of evidence we have suggests they were CHG + EHG, aka fully West Eurasian.

The modern European genome was also completed by the WSH. Pre and post-WSH Europeans cluster pretry far away from each other, since Steppe makes up anywhere from 30-60% of the modern European genome (depending on region)

 

[Hoodpreet]

What a joke! Kindergarten genomics, lol. It’s much more complicated than this. Couldn’t even find the Jews.

Stfu jeet. Go ahead and explain how it’s more complicated, then. I didn’t put the Jews because they’re not a coherent population, you have everything from Ashkenazis (Euro-West Asian mixes) to literal Ethiopian Jews

 

[Hoodpreet]

@wereq @Lonely Slav Thoughts on this image?
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Equating “South Eurasian ancestry” to “related to jeets” is bullshit too. By that logic Samoans are related to jeets

 

[Lonely Slav]

Wish this site allowed reply-pinning.

BTW is WSHG West Siberian Hunter Gatherer?

Yes

ANF, WSH, and WHG were all swarthy retard. Also, WSH were barely if at all South Eurasian; every single piece of evidence we have suggests they were CHG + EHG, aka fully West Eurasian.

The modern European genome was also completed by the WSH. Pre and post-WSH Europeans cluster pretry far away from each other, since Steppe makes up anywhere from 30-60% of the modern European genome (depending on region)

It's rather incorrect and crude, but I think the point is, people in these circles like to mythologize Steppe Pastoralists as these pure Hyperborean Europeans when in fact they are less West Eurasian than EEF. They are mostly CHG with East Asian admixture.

Push them on the fact that they are mostly West Asian and watch them recoil. Mention the 15%+ East Eurasianess of WSH and watch them lose their minds.

 

[literallyretarded]

Feel like the forum needs this, cause I see too much "*x* aren't white" and "are *x* white" posting on here. Also cause I see too many people confusing Europeans with Caucasians.

To start, "Caucasoid" is not a race. It's an outdated craniometric classification that modern day population genetics has proven to be wrong. While the genetic macro-population "West Eurasian" does approximate "Caucasoid" to an extent in terms of encompassing many of the same groups, they are not the same, as Caucasoid was a much bigger-tent classification that included groups like North Indians, Ethiopians, and Somalis, who do NOT cluster with West Eurasians. European and West Eurasian people also do not have their origins in the Caucasus mountains like Blumenbach believed.

Each West Eurasian population can be autosomally modeled as a mix of three primary ancestral populations:

Europeans - Anatolian Neolithic Farmers + Western Hunter-Gatherers + Early-to-Middle Bronze Age Steppe Herders​

Caucasians - Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers + Anatolian Neolithic Farmers + Eastern Hunter-Gatherers​

West Asians - Iranian Neolithic Farmers + Anatolian Neolithic Farmers + Natufians​

North Africans - Iberomaurusians + Natufians + Anatolian Neolithic Farmers (+ Sub-Saharan Africans for Egyptians and Southern Maghrebis)​

As you may notice, all four of these populations share a common Neolithic Anatolian "glue," which is why they're similar in the grand scheme of things and, to an extent, overlap at the margins. Here are some PCA clustering plots to help visualize the genetic distance:

West Eurasian PCA
View attachment 1727553

View attachment 1727554

Pan-Eurasian PCA
View attachment 1727556

View attachment 1727557

Global PCA
View attachment 1727561

View attachment 1727579

Here are some of the most common phenotypes for each of the four West Eurasian sub-groups (they're not mutually exclusive, and can overlap):

European
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Caucasian
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West Asian
View attachment 1727572View attachment 1727573View attachment 1727574

North African
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damn u put a lot of effort in this thread good job