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MAIN ARGUMENT

As far as I know the main argument about Race and IQ that comes from white supremacits is that ethnics (excluding east asians even though they think they are also intellectually inferior to whites on the basis that they don't have creative intelligence) are too low iq to participate and contribute to a society more specifically western societies. Firstly they say that ethnics are low IQ and the reason is their genetics. They argue that the "race " of these ethnics is the reason, that non-white races are inherently low IQ. The whole argument is basically non-whites are low IQ. Let's address this:

ARGUMENT AGAINST THEIR RETARDED CLAIM

When we ask them for the evidence for their claim, they infamously shows the unscientific and skewed data, which is provided by Lynn and Becker, who are literally funded by the pioneer fund. There's a clear conflict of interest but for the sake of the argument let's take this data at face value. First let's see how IQs are often categorised :

130 and above: Very Superior
120–129: Superior
110–119: High Average
90–109: Average
80–89: Low Average
70–79: Borderline Intellectual Functioning
Below 70: Intellectual Disability (also known as mental retardation)

And now see how Lynn and Becker showed the IQ
of different countries


South Africa : 68
Greece : 90


So apparently according to Lynn and Becker average person in South Africa, is mentally retarded. That fact alone is enough to reject there bullshit data on IQ, jfl if you believe this. Let's comapre their GDP growth through out the years.


National gdp constant usd wb 1



[ https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/...&time=1960..latest&facet=none&country=ZAF~GRC ]

So, as we can see South Africa have better and continuos Gdp growth throughout the years. Which would be impossible if average South African was mentally retarded. Now, I know some of you SFcel retards are gonna say but Greece's Gdp per capita, well first we are not measuring these country's economic prosperity. Secondly their (South Africa) positive Gdp growth is a good indicator of their g factor. And its difficult to compete in terms of economic prosperity with a former colonizer who looted wealth from different countries, while your (South Africa) resources got drianed and looted and on top of that apartheid. And hence some common sense and a little bit of research can prove their data and research is bullshit. First we don't have any objective and accurate data on IQ. But with some basic reasoning we can conclude the fact that average IQ in Africa is at least 70 and above, which is reasonable looking at environmental and socioeconomic conditions of Africans and cultural biases in IQ tests.

Away from basic reasoning and common season and let's talk about what is IQ, genetics and stuff. First of all, genetic research has failed to discover any single genes that have a significant and striking effect on intelligence. If that was the case, it would be easy to check which populations carry that gene disproportionately. The problem is that there are hundreds of genes that affect IQ and on top of that environmental and socioeconomic factors. So even if we would be able in future to say "those are the ten most Important genes for IQ", having or not having those ten genes would barely make a difference for your IQ, the effect would be drowned in the influence of the other 100s genes, that's why research on iq genetics and different races is way more multifaceted and nuanced. And I know someone of you would say what about height, well it's retarded to compare height and iq and saying that if height could be different among different ethnicites why can't be IQ, cause alot less genes are at play in height as compared to IQ. And height can be measured objectively across the board, unlike intelligence which is affected by culutural and socioeconomic factors and your nurturing and can't be measured objectively.

IQ as a Latent Variable:

The first distinction I would like to make concerns the nature of IQ. Unlike height, a directly measurable physical property, IQ is a latent variable. We can only estimate it indirectly through assessments that are inherently influenced by cultural background.

The Interplay of Genes and Environment:

While genetic predisposition undoubtedly shapes our potential for various traits, it's crucial to avoid oversimplifying the relationship. Both genetic and environmental influences interact dynamically, with the environment sometimes overriding genetic potential. The detrimental effects of malnutrition and environmental toxins on cognitive development cannot be disregarded, as these are prevalent issues even in developing countries. High lead levels in blood have negative effects on the congnitive abilities.

Also, Plomin & Von Stumm (2018) delve deeper into this, highlighting the polygenic nature of intelligence, meaning numerous genes with small effects contribute to the overall picture. They also discuss the challenges of pinpointing specific genes due to environmental interactions and gene-environment correlations

Cultural Bias in IQ Tests:

Let's take an example let me show you how iq isn't genetic but rather more multifaceted and nuanced. Believing the hereditarian hypothesis, which is used by sfcels, Einstein would always achieve high IQ test.
The Idea of Einstein achieving a high IQ score irrespective of his environment and socio economic conditions deserves further scrutiny. Culture-free intelligence tests simply don't exist. Imagine, an alternate reality where Einstein(with the same genetic make up as in this reality) was born into the Saan Bushmen tribe, (South African hunter-gatherer society). While our "Saan Bushmen Einstein" might struggle with Western-constructed IQ tests, he would likely excel at tasks critical for survival in his environment – tasks at which a German-born Einstein might fail.
We know that IQ tests have culutural bias there's substantial research supporting this claim.

For example this study ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33604599/ ) clearly states this
"Our findings confirm that "culture-free" tests should be adapted to each culture and applied together with their culture's specific norms to prevent misclassification and allow for a better, unbiased neuropsychological assessment."

They removed cultural biases and adapted the test to Moroccan culture, and found that Moroccan kids performed better on this test as compared to other IQ tests.This proves that so called culuture free iq tests also have biases.

What exactly do IQ tests even measure? In practice, they aim to quantify a specific set of cognitive skills valued in modern industrialised (Western) societies. Ideally, they assess something that is called or is close to "objective intelligence." But the concept of intelligence itself is a topic of ongoing debate, which is acknowledged by Ulric Neisser (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulric_Neisser) and by (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence:_Knowns_and_Unknowns) he chaired in 1995 (No so called "wokeness" back then) to investigate the state of research on the topic.

We try to define and organize intelligence, a complex concept, achieving complete clarity remains difficult and elusive. Despite progress in some areas, no single explanation has been guven that answers all the key questions, nor is there universal agreement on what intelligence truly is. This is further proved by the fact that when two dozen prominent theorists were recently asked to define it, they provided two dozen somewhat different definitions (https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2017-32525-010
Sternberg & Detterman, 1986).

Things have not changed, as more recently observed by cognitive psychologist Ken Richardson (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Richardson_(psychologist)) (2017) in a more critical fashion:

" Intelligence is viewed as the most important ingredient of human potential. But there is no generally accepted theoretical model of what it is (in the way that we have such models of other organic functions). Instead, psychologists have adopted physical metaphors: mental speed, energy, power, strength, and so on, together with simple genetic models of how it is distributed in society. The IQ test was invented to create scores that correspond with such metaphors, with the distribution— who is more or less intelligent— already presumed."

"This circularity in IQ testing must not be forgotten or overlooked. IQ tests do not have what is called “construct” validity, in the way that a breathalyzer is calibrated against a model of the passage of alcohol in the bloodstream. They are constructed on the basis of prior beliefs of who is or is not intelligent. But by creating a numerical surrogate of a social class system, they make that system appear to spring from biological rather than social forces. Such ideas are dangerous, because they demean the real mental abilities and true potential of most people in everyday social situations."

And I can quote many more cognitive psychologist and psychometrician, who explains how IQ are first culuturally biased and don't measure the "objective intelligence" which many people believe. Intelligence is alot more complicated than. Let's talk about epigenetics ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics ) well put in simple words it's when certain parts of genes are rearranged without changing the structure of genes in respect to your environment. (Like imagine gene like a bus in which there are three seats at back and four seats at front if we would exchange their position it wouldn't really affect the bus much but there would be considerable change in the bus to it's regular users.) This is the easiest explanation I could come up with at this time. So let's see it's practical use as we already know that many 100s of genes affect intelligence. Imagine you're born into a hunter-gatherer tribe like the San Bushmen. Your environment constantly interacts with your genes, influencing how they're expressed. This is epigenetics in action. While you have genes for both spatial reasoning (great for navigating the wilderness) and mathematical ability, epigenetics might favor the former. Your daily life – tracking animals, identifying edible plants – strengthens the neural pathways related to spatial skills. This doesn't mean your math genes disappear, but their expression might be dampened. Now, consider someone born in a modern, industrialized society. Their environment would likely favor the use of different genes. Regular exposure to numbers, problem-solving, and abstract concepts could strengthen neural pathways related to math skills. Epigenetics wouldn't erase their survival or spatial reasoning/awareness genes, but their expression might be less pronounced. But if members of the San tribe were to integrate into an industrialized society for several generations, their descendants will show a gradual shift in gene expression. The environment would continue to favor skills like math, potentially leading to a slight increase in the expression of those genes, while damping the genes for spatial reasoning/awareness.

Here's the main point: epigenetics doesn't rewrite your genes, but it can influence how well-equipped you are to handle your environment. It's a interplay between your genes, your environment and your experiences. We know almost everyone have genes for intelligence but due to environment, spatial intelligence genes are preferred or mathematical intelligence genes are preferred.

Impacts on intelligence due to socioeconomic factors:

We know that there are negative effects on intelligence with bad socioeconomic conditions and vice versa. Let's first look at the average IQ measured of Italians in 1920s.
(https://www.jstor.org/stable/6403?seq=1)

According to this average IQ of Italians (And other southern Europeans ) is in the high 70s to low 80s, and they are summed up with Blacks and Hispanics, (as far as I remember from the last time i read it )


IMG 20240506 223230



As southern European's, socioeconomic conditions improved so did their IQ. Let's look at another example of a black person because the example of Italian and southern Europeans wouldn't satisfy SFcels copes. It is a well documented fact that Micheal Oher's IQ increased 20-30 points within his lifetime just because his socioeconomic conditions improved. Michael Oher lived in deprivation and then in wealth with supervision and intensive care. His IQ tested 30 points higher:

https://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2007/02/09/the-iq-test-plasticity-and-lef

Even though IQ tests are supposed to test your native potential they frequently actually reflect your environment. As proven by the following graph

Chart


IMG 20240506 230131


IMG 20240506 230116
IMG 20240506 230054


[ Source:https://www.fao.org/faostat/en/#data/FS/visualize ]

We can also see that Africans g factor increases as they have better quality of life, for example in UK they outperform native white Brits in GCSE( tests are great indicators for g factor ). Which according to Lynn are at least 20-30 points below in IQ.

(https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures...or-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest/)

So from this we can conclude that IQ between races isn't genetic but rather it depends upon socioeconomic, environmental and cultural factors.

And I know this would not satisfy SFcels you need a research that clearly states that IQ gap between races is not genetic, so here it is:
( https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajpa.24216 )
And you can also watch this video about it, if you don't have a attention span of a butterfly


View: https://youtu.be/UBc7qBS1Ujo?feature=shared


CONCLUSION:

In conclusion, we can easily say that IQ gap between races isn't genetic but it depends upon socioeconomic conditions, environment factors and cultural biases of IQ tests. And all the research that have said otherwise is surprisingly funded by pioneer fund and have a minority of scientists on their payroll who say that. While majority of scientists disagree with race and iq bullshit. And most humans have with good environmental conditions have a IQ between 85-100.

@WorthlessSlavicShit @anandkonda @DarkStarDown these are the only ones I can remember from the conversation anyways.

And I didn't go into way more details, and nitty gritties of it. But this enough evidence to convince someone who thinks rationally and not with his little SFcel feelings.
Retards should avoid entering and writing dnr.
 

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Can you explain the skeletal and skull shapes of the races? For example cranial capacity and skull size.
 
MAIN ARGUMENT

As far as I know the main argument about Race and IQ that comes from white supremacits is that ethnics (excluding east asians even though they think they are also intellectually inferior to whites on the basis that they don't have creative intelligence) are too low iq to participate and contribute to a society more specifically western societies. Firstly they say that ethnics are low IQ and the reason is their genetics. They argue that the "race " of these ethnics is the reason, that non-white races are inherently low IQ. The whole argument is basically non-whites are low IQ. Let's address this:

ARGUMENT AGAINST THEIR RETARDED CLAIM

When we ask them for the evidence for their claim, they infamously shows the unscientific and skewed data, which is provided by Lynn and Becker, who are literally funded by the pioneer fund. There's a clear conflict of interest but for the sake of the argument let's take this data at face value. First let's see how IQs are often categorised :

130 and above: Very Superior
120–129: Superior
110–119: High Average
90–109: Average
80–89: Low Average
70–79: Borderline Intellectual Functioning
Below 70: Intellectual Disability (also known as mental retardation)

And now see how Lynn and Becker showed the IQ
of different countries


South Africa : 68
Greece : 90


So apparently according to Lynn and Becker average person in South Africa, is mentally retarded. That fact alone is enough to reject there bullshit data on IQ, jfl if you believe this. Let's comapre their GDP growth through out the years.


View attachment 1154048


[ https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/...&time=1960..latest&facet=none&country=ZAF~GRC ]

So, as we can see South Africa have better and continuos Gdp growth throughout the years. Which would be impossible if average South African was mentally retarded. Now, I know some of you SFcel retards are gonna say but Greece's Gdp per capita, well first we are not measuring these country's economic prosperity. Secondly their (South Africa) positive Gdp growth is a good indicator of their g factor. And its difficult to compete in terms of economic prosperity with a former colonizer who looted wealth from different countries, while your (South Africa) resources got drianed and looted and on top of that apartheid. And hence some common sense and a little bit of research can prove their data and research is bullshit. First we don't have any objective and accurate data on IQ. But with some basic reasoning we can conclude the fact that average IQ in Africa is at least 70 and above, which is reasonable looking at environmental and socioeconomic conditions of Africans and cultural biases in IQ tests.

Away from basic reasoning and common season and let's talk about what is IQ, genetics and stuff. First of all, genetic research has failed to discover any single genes that have a significant and striking effect on intelligence. If that was the case, it would be easy to check which populations carry that gene disproportionately. The problem is that there are hundreds of genes that affect IQ and on top of that environmental and socioeconomic factors. So even if we would be able in future to say "those are the ten most Important genes for IQ", having or not having those ten genes would barely make a difference for your IQ, the effect would be drowned in the influence of the other 100s genes, that's why research on iq genetics and different races is way more multifaceted and nuanced. And I know someone of you would say what about height, well it's retarded to compare height and iq and saying that if height could be different among different ethnicites why can't be IQ, cause alot less genes are at play in height as compared to IQ. And height can be measured objectively across the board, unlike intelligence which is affected by culutural and socioeconomic factors and your nurturing and can't be measured objectively.

IQ as a Latent Variable:

The first distinction I would like to make concerns the nature of IQ. Unlike height, a directly measurable physical property, IQ is a latent variable. We can only estimate it indirectly through assessments that are inherently influenced by cultural background.

The Interplay of Genes and Environment:

While genetic predisposition undoubtedly shapes our potential for various traits, it's crucial to avoid oversimplifying the relationship. Both genetic and environmental influences interact dynamically, with the environment sometimes overriding genetic potential. The detrimental effects of malnutrition and environmental toxins on cognitive development cannot be disregarded, as these are prevalent issues even in developing countries. High lead levels in blood have negative effects on the congnitive abilities.

Also, Plomin & Von Stumm (2018) delve deeper into this, highlighting the polygenic nature of intelligence, meaning numerous genes with small effects contribute to the overall picture. They also discuss the challenges of pinpointing specific genes due to environmental interactions and gene-environment correlations

Cultural Bias in IQ Tests:

Let's take an example let me show you how iq isn't genetic but rather more multifaceted and nuanced. Believing the hereditarian hypothesis, which is used by sfcels, Einstein would always achieve high IQ test.
The Idea of Einstein achieving a high IQ score irrespective of his environment and socio economic conditions deserves further scrutiny. Culture-free intelligence tests simply don't exist. Imagine, an alternate reality where Einstein(with the same genetic make up as in this reality) was born into the Saan Bushmen tribe, (South African hunter-gatherer society). While our "Saan Bushmen Einstein" might struggle with Western-constructed IQ tests, he would likely excel at tasks critical for survival in his environment – tasks at which a German-born Einstein might fail.
We know that IQ tests have culutural bias there's substantial research supporting this claim.

For example this study ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33604599/ ) clearly states this
"Our findings confirm that "culture-free" tests should be adapted to each culture and applied together with their culture's specific norms to prevent misclassification and allow for a better, unbiased neuropsychological assessment."

They removed cultural biases and adapted the test to Moroccan culture, and found that Moroccan kids performed better on this test as compared to other IQ tests.This proves that so called culuture free iq tests also have biases.

What exactly do IQ tests even measure? In practice, they aim to quantify a specific set of cognitive skills valued in modern industrialised (Western) societies. Ideally, they assess something that is called or is close to "objective intelligence." But the concept of intelligence itself is a topic of ongoing debate, which is acknowledged by Ulric Neisser (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulric_Neisser) and by (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence:_Knowns_and_Unknowns) he chaired in 1995 (No so called "wokeness" back then) to investigate the state of research on the topic.

We try to define and organize intelligence, a complex concept, achieving complete clarity remains difficult and elusive. Despite progress in some areas, no single explanation has been guven that answers all the key questions, nor is there universal agreement on what intelligence truly is. This is further proved by the fact that when two dozen prominent theorists were recently asked to define it, they provided two dozen somewhat different definitions (https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2017-32525-010
Sternberg & Detterman, 1986).

Things have not changed, as more recently observed by cognitive psychologist Ken Richardson (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Richardson_(psychologist)) (2017) in a more critical fashion:

" Intelligence is viewed as the most important ingredient of human potential. But there is no generally accepted theoretical model of what it is (in the way that we have such models of other organic functions). Instead, psychologists have adopted physical metaphors: mental speed, energy, power, strength, and so on, together with simple genetic models of how it is distributed in society. The IQ test was invented to create scores that correspond with such metaphors, with the distribution— who is more or less intelligent— already presumed."

"This circularity in IQ testing must not be forgotten or overlooked. IQ tests do not have what is called “construct” validity, in the way that a breathalyzer is calibrated against a model of the passage of alcohol in the bloodstream. They are constructed on the basis of prior beliefs of who is or is not intelligent. But by creating a numerical surrogate of a social class system, they make that system appear to spring from biological rather than social forces. Such ideas are dangerous, because they demean the real mental abilities and true potential of most people in everyday social situations."

And I can quote many more cognitive psychologist and psychometrician, who explains how IQ are first culuturally biased and don't measure the "objective intelligence" which many people believe. Intelligence is alot more complicated than. Let's talk about epigenetics ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics ) well put in simple words it's when certain parts of genes are rearranged without changing the structure of genes in respect to your environment. (Like imagine gene like a bus in which there are three seats at back and four seats at front if we would exchange their position it wouldn't really affect the bus much but there would be considerable change in the bus to it's regular users.) This is the easiest explanation I could come up with at this time. So let's see it's practical use as we already know that many 100s of genes affect intelligence. Imagine you're born into a hunter-gatherer tribe like the San Bushmen. Your environment constantly interacts with your genes, influencing how they're expressed. This is epigenetics in action. While you have genes for both spatial reasoning (great for navigating the wilderness) and mathematical ability, epigenetics might favor the former. Your daily life – tracking animals, identifying edible plants – strengthens the neural pathways related to spatial skills. This doesn't mean your math genes disappear, but their expression might be dampened. Now, consider someone born in a modern, industrialized society. Their environment would likely favor the use of different genes. Regular exposure to numbers, problem-solving, and abstract concepts could strengthen neural pathways related to math skills. Epigenetics wouldn't erase their survival or spatial reasoning/awareness genes, but their expression might be less pronounced. But if members of the San tribe were to integrate into an industrialized society for several generations, their descendants will show a gradual shift in gene expression. The environment would continue to favor skills like math, potentially leading to a slight increase in the expression of those genes, while damping the genes for spatial reasoning/awareness.

Here's the main point: epigenetics doesn't rewrite your genes, but it can influence how well-equipped you are to handle your environment. It's a interplay between your genes, your environment and your experiences. We know almost everyone have genes for intelligence but due to environment, spatial intelligence genes are preferred or mathematical intelligence genes are preferred.

Impacts on intelligence due to socioeconomic factors:

We know that there are negative effects on intelligence with bad socioeconomic conditions and vice versa. Let's first look at the average IQ measured of Italians in 1920s.
(https://www.jstor.org/stable/6403?seq=1)

According to this average IQ of Italians (And other southern Europeans ) is in the high 70s to low 80s, and they are summed up with Blacks and Hispanics, (as far as I remember from the last time i read it )


View attachment 1154049


As southern European's, socioeconomic conditions improved so did their IQ. Let's look at another example of a black person because the example of Italian and southern Europeans wouldn't satisfy SFcels copes. It is a well documented fact that Micheal Oher's IQ increased 20-30 points within his lifetime just because his socioeconomic conditions improved. Michael Oher lived in deprivation and then in wealth with supervision and intensive care. His IQ tested 30 points higher:

https://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2007/02/09/the-iq-test-plasticity-and-lef

Even though IQ tests are supposed to test your native potential they frequently actually reflect your environment. As proven by the following graph

View attachment 1154051

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[ Source:https://www.fao.org/faostat/en/#data/FS/visualize ]

We can also see that Africans g factor increases as they have better quality of life, for example in UK they outperform native white Brits in GCSE( tests are great indicators for g factor ). Which according to Lynn are at least 20-30 points below in IQ.

(https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures...or-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest/)

So from this we can conclude that IQ between races isn't genetic but rather it depends upon socioeconomic, environmental and cultural factors.

And I know this would not satisfy SFcels you need a research that clearly states that IQ gap between races is not genetic, so here it is:
( https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajpa.24216 )
And you can also watch this video about it, if you don't have a attention span of a butterfly


View: https://youtu.be/UBc7qBS1Ujo?feature=shared


CONCLUSION:

In conclusion, we can easily say that IQ gap between races isn't genetic but it depends upon socioeconomic conditions, environment factors and cultural biases of IQ tests. And all the research that have said otherwise is surprisingly funded by pioneer fund and have a minority of scientists on their payroll who say that. While majority of scientists disagree with race and iq bullshit. And most humans have with good environmental conditions have a IQ between 85-100.

@WorthlessSlavicShit @anandkonda @DarkStarDown these are the only ones I can remember from the conversation anyways.

And I didn't go into way more details, and nitty gritties of it. But this enough evidence to convince someone who thinks rationally and not with his little SFcel feelings.
Retards should avoid entering and writing dnr.

Just keep yapping and repeating bullshit till your opponents grow tired theory
 
Read it. Makes sense to me.

But why do you always defend niggers? :feelshaha::feelshaha:
 
MAIN ARGUMENT

As far as I know the main argument about Race and IQ that comes from white supremacits is that ethnics (excluding east asians even though they think they are also intellectually inferior to whites on the basis that they don't have creative intelligence) are too low iq to participate and contribute to a society more specifically western societies. Firstly they say that ethnics are low IQ and the reason is their genetics. They argue that the "race " of these ethnics is the reason, that non-white races are inherently low IQ. The whole argument is basically non-whites are low IQ. Let's address this:

ARGUMENT AGAINST THEIR RETARDED CLAIM

When we ask them for the evidence for their claim, they infamously shows the unscientific and skewed data, which is provided by Lynn and Becker, who are literally funded by the pioneer fund. There's a clear conflict of interest but for the sake of the argument let's take this data at face value. First let's see how IQs are often categorised :

130 and above: Very Superior
120–129: Superior
110–119: High Average
90–109: Average
80–89: Low Average
70–79: Borderline Intellectual Functioning
Below 70: Intellectual Disability (also known as mental retardation)

And now see how Lynn and Becker showed the IQ
of different countries


South Africa : 68
Greece : 90


So apparently according to Lynn and Becker average person in South Africa, is mentally retarded. That fact alone is enough to reject there bullshit data on IQ, jfl if you believe this. Let's comapre their GDP growth through out the years.


View attachment 1154048


[ https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/...&time=1960..latest&facet=none&country=ZAF~GRC ]

So, as we can see South Africa have better and continuos Gdp growth throughout the years. Which would be impossible if average South African was mentally retarded. Now, I know some of you SFcel retards are gonna say but Greece's Gdp per capita, well first we are not measuring these country's economic prosperity. Secondly their (South Africa) positive Gdp growth is a good indicator of their g factor. And its difficult to compete in terms of economic prosperity with a former colonizer who looted wealth from different countries, while your (South Africa) resources got drianed and looted and on top of that apartheid. And hence some common sense and a little bit of research can prove their data and research is bullshit. First we don't have any objective and accurate data on IQ. But with some basic reasoning we can conclude the fact that average IQ in Africa is at least 70 and above, which is reasonable looking at environmental and socioeconomic conditions of Africans and cultural biases in IQ tests.

Away from basic reasoning and common season and let's talk about what is IQ, genetics and stuff. First of all, genetic research has failed to discover any single genes that have a significant and striking effect on intelligence. If that was the case, it would be easy to check which populations carry that gene disproportionately. The problem is that there are hundreds of genes that affect IQ and on top of that environmental and socioeconomic factors. So even if we would be able in future to say "those are the ten most Important genes for IQ", having or not having those ten genes would barely make a difference for your IQ, the effect would be drowned in the influence of the other 100s genes, that's why research on iq genetics and different races is way more multifaceted and nuanced. And I know someone of you would say what about height, well it's retarded to compare height and iq and saying that if height could be different among different ethnicites why can't be IQ, cause alot less genes are at play in height as compared to IQ. And height can be measured objectively across the board, unlike intelligence which is affected by culutural and socioeconomic factors and your nurturing and can't be measured objectively.

IQ as a Latent Variable:

The first distinction I would like to make concerns the nature of IQ. Unlike height, a directly measurable physical property, IQ is a latent variable. We can only estimate it indirectly through assessments that are inherently influenced by cultural background.

The Interplay of Genes and Environment:

While genetic predisposition undoubtedly shapes our potential for various traits, it's crucial to avoid oversimplifying the relationship. Both genetic and environmental influences interact dynamically, with the environment sometimes overriding genetic potential. The detrimental effects of malnutrition and environmental toxins on cognitive development cannot be disregarded, as these are prevalent issues even in developing countries. High lead levels in blood have negative effects on the congnitive abilities.

Also, Plomin & Von Stumm (2018) delve deeper into this, highlighting the polygenic nature of intelligence, meaning numerous genes with small effects contribute to the overall picture. They also discuss the challenges of pinpointing specific genes due to environmental interactions and gene-environment correlations

Cultural Bias in IQ Tests:

Let's take an example let me show you how iq isn't genetic but rather more multifaceted and nuanced. Believing the hereditarian hypothesis, which is used by sfcels, Einstein would always achieve high IQ test.
The Idea of Einstein achieving a high IQ score irrespective of his environment and socio economic conditions deserves further scrutiny. Culture-free intelligence tests simply don't exist. Imagine, an alternate reality where Einstein(with the same genetic make up as in this reality) was born into the Saan Bushmen tribe, (South African hunter-gatherer society). While our "Saan Bushmen Einstein" might struggle with Western-constructed IQ tests, he would likely excel at tasks critical for survival in his environment – tasks at which a German-born Einstein might fail.
We know that IQ tests have culutural bias there's substantial research supporting this claim.

For example this study ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33604599/ ) clearly states this
"Our findings confirm that "culture-free" tests should be adapted to each culture and applied together with their culture's specific norms to prevent misclassification and allow for a better, unbiased neuropsychological assessment."

They removed cultural biases and adapted the test to Moroccan culture, and found that Moroccan kids performed better on this test as compared to other IQ tests.This proves that so called culuture free iq tests also have biases.

What exactly do IQ tests even measure? In practice, they aim to quantify a specific set of cognitive skills valued in modern industrialised (Western) societies. Ideally, they assess something that is called or is close to "objective intelligence." But the concept of intelligence itself is a topic of ongoing debate, which is acknowledged by Ulric Neisser (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulric_Neisser) and by (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence:_Knowns_and_Unknowns) he chaired in 1995 (No so called "wokeness" back then) to investigate the state of research on the topic.

We try to define and organize intelligence, a complex concept, achieving complete clarity remains difficult and elusive. Despite progress in some areas, no single explanation has been guven that answers all the key questions, nor is there universal agreement on what intelligence truly is. This is further proved by the fact that when two dozen prominent theorists were recently asked to define it, they provided two dozen somewhat different definitions (https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2017-32525-010
Sternberg & Detterman, 1986).

Things have not changed, as more recently observed by cognitive psychologist Ken Richardson (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Richardson_(psychologist)) (2017) in a more critical fashion:

" Intelligence is viewed as the most important ingredient of human potential. But there is no generally accepted theoretical model of what it is (in the way that we have such models of other organic functions). Instead, psychologists have adopted physical metaphors: mental speed, energy, power, strength, and so on, together with simple genetic models of how it is distributed in society. The IQ test was invented to create scores that correspond with such metaphors, with the distribution— who is more or less intelligent— already presumed."

"This circularity in IQ testing must not be forgotten or overlooked. IQ tests do not have what is called “construct” validity, in the way that a breathalyzer is calibrated against a model of the passage of alcohol in the bloodstream. They are constructed on the basis of prior beliefs of who is or is not intelligent. But by creating a numerical surrogate of a social class system, they make that system appear to spring from biological rather than social forces. Such ideas are dangerous, because they demean the real mental abilities and true potential of most people in everyday social situations."

And I can quote many more cognitive psychologist and psychometrician, who explains how IQ are first culuturally biased and don't measure the "objective intelligence" which many people believe. Intelligence is alot more complicated than. Let's talk about epigenetics ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics ) well put in simple words it's when certain parts of genes are rearranged without changing the structure of genes in respect to your environment. (Like imagine gene like a bus in which there are three seats at back and four seats at front if we would exchange their position it wouldn't really affect the bus much but there would be considerable change in the bus to it's regular users.) This is the easiest explanation I could come up with at this time. So let's see it's practical use as we already know that many 100s of genes affect intelligence. Imagine you're born into a hunter-gatherer tribe like the San Bushmen. Your environment constantly interacts with your genes, influencing how they're expressed. This is epigenetics in action. While you have genes for both spatial reasoning (great for navigating the wilderness) and mathematical ability, epigenetics might favor the former. Your daily life – tracking animals, identifying edible plants – strengthens the neural pathways related to spatial skills. This doesn't mean your math genes disappear, but their expression might be dampened. Now, consider someone born in a modern, industrialized society. Their environment would likely favor the use of different genes. Regular exposure to numbers, problem-solving, and abstract concepts could strengthen neural pathways related to math skills. Epigenetics wouldn't erase their survival or spatial reasoning/awareness genes, but their expression might be less pronounced. But if members of the San tribe were to integrate into an industrialized society for several generations, their descendants will show a gradual shift in gene expression. The environment would continue to favor skills like math, potentially leading to a slight increase in the expression of those genes, while damping the genes for spatial reasoning/awareness.

Here's the main point: epigenetics doesn't rewrite your genes, but it can influence how well-equipped you are to handle your environment. It's a interplay between your genes, your environment and your experiences. We know almost everyone have genes for intelligence but due to environment, spatial intelligence genes are preferred or mathematical intelligence genes are preferred.

Impacts on intelligence due to socioeconomic factors:

We know that there are negative effects on intelligence with bad socioeconomic conditions and vice versa. Let's first look at the average IQ measured of Italians in 1920s.
(https://www.jstor.org/stable/6403?seq=1)

According to this average IQ of Italians (And other southern Europeans ) is in the high 70s to low 80s, and they are summed up with Blacks and Hispanics, (as far as I remember from the last time i read it )


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As southern European's, socioeconomic conditions improved so did their IQ. Let's look at another example of a black person because the example of Italian and southern Europeans wouldn't satisfy SFcels copes. It is a well documented fact that Micheal Oher's IQ increased 20-30 points within his lifetime just because his socioeconomic conditions improved. Michael Oher lived in deprivation and then in wealth with supervision and intensive care. His IQ tested 30 points higher:

https://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2007/02/09/the-iq-test-plasticity-and-lef

Even though IQ tests are supposed to test your native potential they frequently actually reflect your environment. As proven by the following graph

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[ Source:https://www.fao.org/faostat/en/#data/FS/visualize ]

We can also see that Africans g factor increases as they have better quality of life, for example in UK they outperform native white Brits in GCSE( tests are great indicators for g factor ). Which according to Lynn are at least 20-30 points below in IQ.

(https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures...or-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest/)

So from this we can conclude that IQ between races isn't genetic but rather it depends upon socioeconomic, environmental and cultural factors.

And I know this would not satisfy SFcels you need a research that clearly states that IQ gap between races is not genetic, so here it is:
( https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajpa.24216 )
And you can also watch this video about it, if you don't have a attention span of a butterfly


View: https://youtu.be/UBc7qBS1Ujo?feature=shared


CONCLUSION:

In conclusion, we can easily say that IQ gap between races isn't genetic but it depends upon socioeconomic conditions, environment factors and cultural biases of IQ tests. And all the research that have said otherwise is surprisingly funded by pioneer fund and have a minority of scientists on their payroll who say that. While majority of scientists disagree with race and iq bullshit. And most humans have with good environmental conditions have a IQ between 85-100.

@WorthlessSlavicShit @anandkonda @DarkStarDown these are the only ones I can remember from the conversation anyways.

And I didn't go into way more details, and nitty gritties of it. But this enough evidence to convince someone who thinks rationally and not with his little SFcel feelings.
Retards should avoid entering and writing dnr.

JFL at this nigger sharing BreadTube Leftist YouTubers. No amount of coping will ever change the the truth kek. Indians and Asians were way way porer than the average South African back in 1950s. Look where India and China are at now and where South Africa is. I will say one thing. Stop larping as a curry negro. If you are so proud of your race why do you hide beneath another identity.
 
Just keep yapping and repeating bullshit till your opponents grow tired theory
You are the retarded one if you believe so called scholars who claim that Pakistan has high IQ than India. When India has 75% literacy rate and Pakis nigger have sub 30%
Indians and Asians were way way porer than the average South African back in 1950s. Look where India and China are at now and where South Africa is.
They have a extremely corrupt government. Just 1500 years ago Biharis were the most intelligent in our country, look at them today. What happened? Colonizations and corrupt governments
 
@Grim_Reaper thots?
 
'Muh IQ test is racist' 'Muh Maths is racist created by wypipo' 'muh language is racist' 'muh education is racist' 'muh everything is racist now gib me the fruits of your labour what you will not ? I will murder and rape you and steal it. If you say anything you are racist oh race studies proving black athletic superiority and BBC are 100% true btw you all iz inferior to us das rite. We Wuz Kangz Nigguh we don't even have a written language and couldn't even built stone but we wuz kangz'
 
@rope infinity ♾️ Serious question, does inbreeding increase IQ? Tamils with the highest cousin marriage in the country have the highest IQ, same with Jews
 
JFL at this nigger sharing BreadTube Leftist YouTubers. No amount of coping will ever change the the truth kek. Indians and Asians were way way porer than the average South African back in 1950s. Look where India and China are at now and where South Africa is. I will say one thing. Stop larping as a curry negro. If you are so proud of your race why do you hide beneath another identity.
I wouldn´t want to take advice from someone who types ´porer´ instead of ´poorer´.
No grammar for your face
 
You are the retarded one if you believe so called scholars who claim that Pakistan has high IQ than India. When India has 75% literacy rate and Pakis nigger have sub 30%
What he said applies to Curries and Chinks as we score high in Academics and IQ tests in Western countries thus proving the problem with us is our environments. The same cannot be said for niggers sadly who despite being given every advantage thinkable still fail miserably in every metric. Just talk to an average nigger kek. Nigger IQ will be on full display.
They have a extremely corrupt government. Just 1500 years ago Biharis were the most intelligent in our country, look at them today. What happened? Colonizations and corrupt governments
We had license raj for more than 50 years and our corruption is not any lesser. China went through genocide after genocide.
 
@rope infinity ♾️ Serious question, does inbreeding increase IQ? Tamils with the highest cousin marriage in the country have the highest IQ, same with Jews
:lul:
 
@rope infinity ♾️ Serious question, does inbreeding increase IQ? Tamils with the highest cousin marriage in the country have the highest IQ, same with Jews
Do tell me what corporations if any Tamils own or if they have any influence on any governments across the world
 
I wouldn´t want to take advice from someone who types ´porer´ instead of ´poorer´.
No grammar for your face
'Muh IQ test is racist' 'Muh Maths is racist created by wypipo' 'muh language is racist' 'muh education is racist' 'muh everything is racist now gib me the fruits of your labour what you will not ? I will murder and rape you and steal it. If you say anything you are racist oh race studies proving black athletic superiority and BBC are 100% true btw you all iz inferior to us das rite. We Wuz Kangz Nigguh we don't even have a written language and couldn't even built stone but we wuz kangz'
 
@rope infinity ♾️ Serious question, does inbreeding increase IQ? Tamils with the highest cousin marriage in the country have the highest IQ, same with Jews
No. Low genetic diversity is bad for the health of the human species. Or any species really.
 
Do tell me what corporations if any Tamils own or if they have any influence on any governments across the world
Sundar Pichai. Vivek Ramaswamy. Tharuman Shanmugam. Just to name a few
 
JFL at this nigger sharing BreadTube Leftist YouTubers. No amount of coping will ever change the the truth kek. Indians and Asians were way way porer than the average South African back in 1950s. Look where India and China are at now and where South Africa is. I will say one thing. Stop larping as a curry negro. If you are so proud of your race why do you hide beneath another identity.
You know there was apartheid so only Whites had those better conditions. And secondly what is this cope he's leftist I won't listen to him.
 
So essentially either puppets of their Shareholders or Jewish Representatives of Senate.
Cry all your want. Tamils achieved more than you commie nigger Bongalis ever did. Only they are the real Hindus and Indians
 
You know there was apartheid so only Whites had those better conditions.
Aparthied has been over for a long time and Ethiopia and Somalia has never faced such things. They enslaved each other lmao.
And secondly what is this cope he's leftist I won't listen to him.
off course leftists will twist words, facts, push false narratives and ignore basic data and stats or use completely false data. No tactic is too low for a leftist. I get it. Your ultimage agenda is to make us your slaves through subtle brainwashing since you can't beat us in the field of military warfare.
 
@The Enforcer @LeFrenchCel @PLA1092 @Dregster @Uggo Mongo pin this niggas
 
Aparthied has been over for a long time and Ethiopia and Somalia has never faced such things. They enslaved each other lmao.
Wait till you learn about neo colonialism that's happening there and war with Italians and sanctions that broke their economy
off course leftists will twist words, facts, push false narratives and ignore basic data and stats or use completely false data. No tactic is too low for a leftist. I get it. Your ultimage agenda is to make us your slaves through subtle brainwashing since you can't beat us in the field of military warfare.
That's the fun part he shows how race realists manipulate data, FFS Lynn has been caught many times using skewed data.
 
Cry all your want.
You are the one who is crying.
Tamils achieved more than you commie nigger Bongalis ever did.
The richest man in Scandinavia up until recently was a Bengali. His own business. No shareholders or anything. The governor of the RBI is also Bengali. But I guess you see migrating to foreign countries and slaving away for Jewish MNCs as the ultimate measure of success.

Only they are the real Hindus and Indians
Funny how superior Tamils yet they cry 24/7 about other Indians being racist to them.
 
Wait till you learn about neo colonialism that's happening there and war with Italians and sanctions that broke their economy
Colonialism will still be responsible for black failure even when white people are extinct for a thousand years. Or maybe they will start blaming other races.
That's the fun part he shows how race realists manipulate data, FFS Lynn has been caught many times using skewed data.
Lol is that why blacks and liberals try their best to hide and manipulate FBI crime statistics ?
 
Colonialism will still be responsible for black failure even when white people are extinct for a thousand years. Or maybe they will start blaming other races.
You are making up a scenario
Are you retarded????
Lol is that why blacks and liberals try their best to hide and manipulate FBI crime statistics ?
Nobody tries to do that its just a fact that about 60% of exonerations for all crimes committed are of blacks.
 
The governor of the RBI is also Bengali.
Foreign Minister, Finance Minister are Tamil. Look at how much we have progress with that. What did you Bongalis do to the country except write poems anyway?

Bengalis are successful everywhere except Bengal. Tamils are successful everywhere
Funny how superior Tamils yet they cry 24/7 about other Indians being racist to them.
Hope your family in Bengal gets raped by those Bangladeshi mullas. Bongalis deserve that plight for being commie nigger
 
You are making up a scenario
Are you retarded????
And now you are trying to derail the arguement. Lol. Typical leftist. Blacks have and always will blame colonialism for everything. It's the white man's fault they are prison with 3 baby mamas.
Nobody tries to do that its just a fact that about 60% of exonerations for all crimes committed are of blacks.
That just proves how bullshit the Jewunited States system is kek. Jews allow their precious niggers to commit every crime possible and let them scott free. I could show millions of examples of blacks raping, killing and pillaging and being allowed to go scott free by Jew Judges.

Black criminality isn't just a thing in USA btw. It's the same all over the world, everywhere they go. Would you have me believe that police all across the world are Racist and anti black ?
 
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Race mixxing is ideal then?
Europeans mixed with Neanderthals. East Asians mixed with Denisovans.
More diversity = more unique traits that might allow the species to adapt to the environment better (but also more subhumans)
 
JFL at this nigger sharing BreadTube Leftist YouTubers. No amount of coping will ever change the the truth kek. Indians and Asians were way way porer than the average South African back in 1950s. Look where India and China are at now and where South Africa is. I will say one thing. Stop larping as a curry negro. If you are so proud of your race why do you hide beneath another identity.
 
Foreign Minister, Finance Minister are Tamil. Look at how much we have progress with that. What did you Bongalis do to the country except write poems anyway?
50% of Freedom Fighters were Bengalis. Tamils like Periyar hated Hinduism.
Bengalis are successful everywhere except Bengal. Tamils are successful everywhere
Really ? Then why do they migrate to Singapore and other places in record numbers ?
Hope your family in Bengal gets raped by those Bangladeshi mullas. Bongalis deserve that plight for being commie nigger
Trigger alert
 
dnr

Shitskins are on average way lower IQ than the Average White or Chink. In fact, shitskins are by far the least evolved out of all races
 
50% of Freedom Fighters were Bengalis. Tamils like Periyar hated Hinduism.
That's a manufacturer moment by the British. Your Bongalis like Raja Ram Mohan Roy literally licked British asshole tbf.
Really ? Then why do the migrate to Singapore and other places in record numbers ?
Shitty DMK government who are not Tamils btw, but Telugu of origin. Also mention how they are most successful in all the places they migrated to
 
Europeans mixed with Neanderthals. East Asians mixed with Denisovans.
More diversity = more unique traits that might allow the species to adapt to the environment better (but also more subhumans)
I will breed with a trad Slavic foid for genetic diversity then :ahegao: :ahegao: :ahegao:
 
And now you are trying to derail the arguement. Lol. Typical leftist. Blacks have and always will blame colonialism for everything. It's the white man's fault they are prison with 3 baby mamas
You are moving the goalposts not me by saying what if whites went extinct.
That just proves how bullshit the Jewunited States system is kek. Jews allow their precious niggers to commit every crime possible and let them scott free. I could show millions of examples of blacks raping, killing and pillaging and being allowed to go scott free by Jew Judges.
Do you even know how exonerations actually work?
Black criminality isn't just a thing in USA btw. It's the same all over the world, everywhere they go. Would you have me believe that police all across the world are Racist and anti black ?
It isn't a thing in Europe where arab make up more crime then blacks and guess what they are marginalized their
 
dnr

Shitskins are on average way lower IQ than the Average White or Chink. In fact, shitskins are by far the least evolved out of all races
SFcel Cope
 
IQ is bullshit.
 
You are moving the goalposts not me by saying what if whites went extinct.
Nope. You blamed Whites for black failures and I pointed out how blacks always blame colonialism for everything and ignore their own shortcomings. Ethiopians and Somalis never faced aparthied or colonialism.
It isn't a thing in Europe where arab make up more crime then blacks and guess what they are marginalized their
Nope. Blacks still commit way way more crimes than Arabs in UK, France and elsewhere. Same in Scandinavia.
 
That's a manufacturer moment by the British. Your Bongalis like Raja Ram Mohan Roy literally licked British asshole tbf.
Kek and your Periyar were the true Pious Hindus I guess ?
Shitty DMK government who are not Tamils btw, but Telugu of origin. Also mention how they are most successful in all the places they migrated to
Blame game.
 
Nope. You blamed Whites for black failures and I pointed out how blacks always blame colonialism for everything and ignore their own shortcomings. Ethiopians and Somalis never faced aparthied or colonialism.
Again you are disregarding their neocolonialism, sanctions and war with Italians which broke their economy
Nope. Blacks still commit way way more crimes than Arabs in UK, France and elsewhere. Same in Scandinavia.
And who told you that all the graphs posted by retards on twitter about European crimes always shows Arabs above them
 
Again you are disregarding their neocolonialism, sanctions and war with Italians which broke their economy
And tell me why neocolonialism only affected them and not India, Indonesia and Bangladesh ? India lost more than a million men fighting on behalf of the Allies in WW2 and was gripped by Famine during that period. Bangladesh's history is way way more turbulent and violent than any African country and they still have a thriving state and are growing despite a myriad of climate, geopolitical and geographic issues. Vietnam was literally bombed by Napalm and is still a much better country. Italians were the ones who outlawed Slavery in Ethiopia btw.
And who told you that all the graphs posted by retards on twitter about European crimes always shows Arabs above them
Only in countries where Arabs are the majority and blacks are very small in numbers. Show me the crime stat of France and UK.
 
It's nice to read something that isn't pure brainrot.
 

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