Proving christianity is false SPEEDRUN

[Kshatriya]

1) The “virgin birth” prophecy doesn’t exist in the Hebrew text
Isaiah 7:14 refers to a young woman (‘almah), not a virgin (betulah). The idea of virginity only appears in the Greek translation (parthenos).

2) The Gospels construct the virgin birth based on the Septuagint
Matthew (and, differently, Luke) elaborates the birth story to match Isaiah according to the Greek text. This is retroactive theological storytelling, not independent historical memory.

3) This invalidates the idea of prophetic fulfillment and intentional divine action
If the key event depends on a translation ambiguity or “error,” it cannot be a divinely revealed plan. The virgin birth is therefore a literary invention, undermining Christianity’s claim of fulfillment of prophecy.

 

[Kshatriya]

Bump

 

[BenBerger]

Oy vey, another goy escaped the consciousness cage!

 

[Kshatriya]

Oy vey, another goy escaped the consciousness cage!

Have you also noticed it? Lmao people are starting to put abrahamic faiths away

 

[BenBerger]

Have you also noticed it? Lmao people are starting to put abrahamic faiths away

Yup. It quite fascinating. Especially, in Iran many people want to go back to Zoroastrianism, while in Europe Christianity never managed to uproot the old pagan (based) cults.
Interesting indeed.

 

[darkie]

1) The “virgin birth” prophecy doesn’t exist in the Hebrew text
Isaiah 7:14 refers to a young woman (‘almah), not a virgin (betulah). The idea of virginity only appears in the Greek translation (parthenos).

2) The Gospels construct the virgin birth based on the Septuagint
Matthew (and, differently, Luke) elaborates the birth story to match Isaiah according to the Greek text. This is retroactive theological storytelling, not independent historical memory.

3) This invalidates the idea of prophetic fulfillment and intentional divine action
If the key event depends on a translation ambiguity or “error,” it cannot be a divinely revealed plan. The virgin birth is therefore a literary invention, undermining Christianity’s claim of fulfillment of prophecy.

You using man made words to disprove a man made religion is comedic

 

[Kshatriya]

You using man made words to disprove a man made religion is comedic

And lifting man made metal with goatis

 

[Kshatriya]

Yup. It quite fascinating. Especially, in Iran many people want to go back to Zoroastrianism, while in Europe Christianity never managed to uproot the old pagan (based) cults.
Interesting indeed.

Lets hope paganism comes back. What gods should a spaniard pray to? A mix of celts and iberians?

 

[darkie]

And lifting man made metal with goatis

 

[Caichan]

3 in one shampoo god but isn’t polytheism or somethong

 

[Kshatriya]

3 in one shampoo god but isn’t polytheism or somethong

They kept adding superpowers to Jesus and he became another god lmao

 

[Roastie Crusher]

1) The “virgin birth” prophecy doesn’t exist in the Hebrew text
Isaiah 7:14 refers to a young woman (‘almah), not a virgin (betulah). The idea of virginity only appears in the Greek translation (parthenos).

2) The Gospels construct the virgin birth based on the Septuagint
Matthew (and, differently, Luke) elaborates the birth story to match Isaiah according to the Greek text. This is retroactive theological storytelling, not independent historical memory.

3) This invalidates the idea of prophetic fulfillment and intentional divine action
If the key event depends on a translation ambiguity or “error,” it cannot be a divinely revealed plan. The virgin birth is therefore a literary invention, undermining Christianity’s claim of fulfillment of prophecy.

Why are they currently trying so hard to historically prove parts of the bible? Most christcucks didn't know the Septuagint existed until they started sending out Satanist academics and gnostic Christians.

 

[Pikacel]

Islam >>>>

 

[literallyretarded]

Islam >>>>

yea Islam definitely makes sense its totally the religion of peace

 

[Kshatriya]

Islam >>>>

Since judaism (the core) is also fake af, nope

 

[Kshatriya]

Why are they currently trying so hard to historically prove parts of the bible? Most christcucks didn't know the Septuagint existed until they started sending out Satanist academics and gnostic Christians.

I'm not sure if I'm getting what you mean

 

[literallyretarded]

1) The “virgin birth” prophecy doesn’t exist in the Hebrew text
Isaiah 7:14 refers to a young woman (‘almah), not a virgin (betulah). The idea of virginity only appears in the Greek translation (parthenos).

2) The Gospels construct the virgin birth based on the Septuagint
Matthew (and, differently, Luke) elaborates the birth story to match Isaiah according to the Greek text. This is retroactive theological storytelling, not independent historical memory.

3) This invalidates the idea of prophetic fulfillment and intentional divine action
If the key event depends on a translation ambiguity or “error,” it cannot be a divinely revealed plan. The virgin birth is therefore a literary invention, undermining Christianity’s claim of fulfillment of prophecy.

i dont really care if its real or not ill still worship it because its based for killing lots of jews and Muslims and is religion of national socialism.

 

[Kshatriya]

i dont really care if its real or not ill still worship it because its based for killing lots of jews and Muslims and is religion of national socialism.

Kinda true but those are just the fruits of the european soul that happened dispite christianity

 

[literallyretarded]

Kinda true but those are just the fruits of the european soul that happened dispite christianity

no Christianity is important because its a bulwark against the jew and communist and Muslim treat if we abandoned it it would split us apart so its better to just fully adopt it so that the millions of Christion will help us in race war.

 

[Kshatriya]

no Christianity is important because its a bulwark against the jew and communist and Muslim treat if we abandoned it it would split us apart so its better to just fully adopt it so that the millions of Christion will help us in race war.

Many christians are zionists
And Kabbalah talks about how there will be 2 messiah, messiah ben Joseph (son of Joseph, aka Jesús) who dies and Messiah ben David, Who conquers the world etc

 

[literallyretarded]

Many christians are zionists
And Kabbalah talks about how there will be 2 messiah, messiah ben Joseph (son of Joseph, aka Jesús) who dies and Messiah ben David, Who conquers the world etc

most nazis are Christian so yea theirs some Zionists Christians but i would say most arnt.

 

[BenBerger]

Why are they currently trying so hard to historically prove parts of the bible? Most christcucks didn't know the Septuagint existed until they started sending out Satanist academics and gnostic Christians.

What is so special about the Septuagint (besides being the first, or one of the first, translations of the bible)?
Thank you

 

[Caichan]

They kept adding superpowers to Jesus and he became another god lmao

Although Jesus has characteristics independent of the father (including mental ones) and although they can communicate with one another, it isn’t polytheism! But it also isn’t modalism somehow

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

1) The “virgin birth” prophecy doesn’t exist in the Hebrew text
Isaiah 7:14 refers to a young woman (‘almah), not a virgin (betulah). The idea of virginity only appears in the Greek translation (parthenos).

2) The Gospels construct the virgin birth based on the Septuagint
Matthew (and, differently, Luke) elaborates the birth story to match Isaiah according to the Greek text. This is retroactive theological storytelling, not independent historical memory.

3) This invalidates the idea of prophetic fulfillment and intentional divine action
If the key event depends on a translation ambiguity or “error,” it cannot be a divinely revealed plan. The virgin birth is therefore a literary invention, undermining Christianity’s claim of fulfillment of prophecy.

The word almah עלמה או אלמא is very abstract and can have different meanings .

It is a loan word into Hebrew from Ugaritic and proto Canaanite language, roughly modern Lebonon .

In Ugaritic it meant " Royal Bride" so it can very often young woman or maiden but can also mean virgin sometimes too and in some Rabbinical literature I have seen it used as virgin . Almah can also mean prostitute because in those times in ancient Israel pagan women were not looked highly upon. So yes almah can mean virgin even if betulah is more common.

 

[grimlockcel]

Just for fun I put your post through Grok's AI and told it to give an argument back.

"Your argument collapses on linguistic, contextual, and theological grounds.
1. “Almah” does mean virgin in context.
Hebrew עַלְמָה (almah) refers to a young woman of marriageable age—and in ancient Israelite culture, that normally implied virginity (unmarried = sexually inexperienced). Every clear biblical use of almah (Gen 24:43; Exod 2:8; Prov 30:19; Song 1:3; 6:8) describes virgins. The stronger term בְּתוּלָה (betulah) emphasizes physical virginity but is narrower and sometimes needs clarification (e.g., betulah who has not known a man). Almah carries the default cultural assumption of virginity without needing the qualifier. The Septuagint translators—Jews working ~200–150 BCE—chose παρθένος (parthenos = virgin) because that accurately reflected the intended sense in context. It was not a mistranslation or Christian invention; pre-Christian Jewish Greek texts already read it that way.
2. Matthew does not invent the virgin birth from the Septuagint alone.

Independent tradition: Luke’s nativity account (different sources, different style) also presents a virgin conception without directly quoting Isaiah 7:14.
Early attestation: Virgin birth appears in pre-Gospel strata (Paul alludes to it indirectly in Gal 4:4; “born of a woman” + divine sonship language; earliest creeds).
Matthew’s use of Isaiah is typological/eschatological fulfillment, not proof-texting a single word. He sees the Immanuel child (“God with us”) reaching ultimate fulfillment in Jesus, whose birth surpasses the immediate sign given to Ahaz (a normal birth in Isaiah’s day). Dual fulfillment—near (Hezekiah or Maher-shalal-hash-baz) and far (Messiah)—is standard in prophetic literature (e.g., Isa 9; 11; Hos 11:1 applied to Jesus in Matt 2:15).

3. Translation ambiguity does not invalidate divine action or prophetic fulfillment.
Prophecy frequently works on multiple levels (near historical + ultimate messianic). God is not limited to human linguistic precision; Scripture presents layered meanings revealed progressively (Heb 1:1–2). If the Spirit inspired Isaiah to use almah (carrying virgin implication), and the same Spirit guided the Septuagint translators and Matthew, then the full meaning unfolds exactly as intended. A “translation error” would only disprove fulfillment if the Hebrew unambiguously excluded virginity—which it does not. The virgin birth stands on multiple lines of evidence (Gospel testimony, early tradition, theological coherence), not solely on one verse.
Conclusion: Your case relies on an overstated almah/betulah distinction that ignores cultural context, Septuagint evidence, and prophetic typology. The virgin birth is not a retroactive fiction built on a linguistic accident; it fits the deeper trajectory of messianic expectation. The argument fails logically and evidentially."

 

[grimlockcel]

A more simplified/compact version:



"Your point:"The Bible says 'young woman' in Hebrew (almah), not 'virgin.' Christians only got 'virgin' from the Greek version later. So the whole virgin birth thing is made up based on a wrong translation, and it ruins the idea that Jesus fulfilled prophecy."


My counter, simplified way down:

1. In Bible times, when they said "almah" (young woman), they almost always meant an unmarried girl—which meant virgin.Think of it like today: if someone says "she's a young single lady," you don't picture someone who's already slept around. Same idea back then.The word "virgin" (betulah) was used sometimes too, but almah carried the same vibe without needing to spell it out.
2. Jewish scholars translated the Hebrew Bible into Greek (called the Septuagint) way before Jesus or Christians existed—around 200 BC.They chose the Greek word for "virgin" (parthenos) when they translated Isaiah 7:14.So it wasn't Christians cheating or twisting it; the Jews themselves already read it that way.
3. The virgin birth story shows up in both Matthew and Luke, and they don't even tell it the same way.That means it wasn't just Matthew grabbing one verse and inventing everything.Plus, super-early Christian writings (even stuff from Paul) hint at it without quoting Isaiah. It was already a belief.
4. Bible prophecies often work on two levels: something happens soon (like in Isaiah's time), but also points to something bigger later (Jesus).That's normal in the Bible. God can layer meanings—He doesn't need perfect one-word matches.The Hebrew word fits a virgin just fine in that culture, so no "mistake" broke the prophecy.

Bottom line, simplified version:The "young woman = virgin" idea was already there in Hebrew culture and in the old Jewish Greek Bible. Christians didn't fake it. The virgin birth isn't built on one shaky word—it's backed by multiple stories and old beliefs. Your argument sounds strong at first, but it falls apart when you look at how the words and culture actually worked back then."

 

[SaintSmerdyakov]

isnt your profile pic of a Jew tho? just a self hating one

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

Just for fun I put your post through Grok's AI and told it to give an argument back.

"Your argument collapses on linguistic, contextual, and theological grounds.
1. “Almah” does mean virgin in context.
Hebrew עַלְמָה (almah) refers to a young woman of marriageable age—and in ancient Israelite culture, that normally implied virginity (unmarried = sexually inexperienced). Every clear biblical use of almah (Gen 24:43; Exod 2:8; Prov 30:19; Song 1:3; 6:8) describes virgins. The stronger term בְּתוּלָה (betulah) emphasizes physical virginity but is narrower and sometimes needs clarification (e.g., betulah who has not known a man). Almah carries the default cultural assumption of virginity without needing the qualifier. The Septuagint translators—Jews working ~200–150 BCE—chose παρθένος (parthenos = virgin) because that accurately reflected the intended sense in context. It was not a mistranslation or Christian invention; pre-Christian Jewish Greek texts already read it that way.
2. Matthew does not invent the virgin birth from the Septuagint alone.

Independent tradition: Luke’s nativity account (different sources, different style) also presents a virgin conception without directly quoting Isaiah 7:14.
Early attestation: Virgin birth appears in pre-Gospel strata (Paul alludes to it indirectly in Gal 4:4; “born of a woman” + divine sonship language; earliest creeds).
Matthew’s use of Isaiah is typological/eschatological fulfillment, not proof-texting a single word. He sees the Immanuel child (“God with us”) reaching ultimate fulfillment in Jesus, whose birth surpasses the immediate sign given to Ahaz (a normal birth in Isaiah’s day). Dual fulfillment—near (Hezekiah or Maher-shalal-hash-baz) and far (Messiah)—is standard in prophetic literature (e.g., Isa 9; 11; Hos 11:1 applied to Jesus in Matt 2:15).

3. Translation ambiguity does not invalidate divine action or prophetic fulfillment.
Prophecy frequently works on multiple levels (near historical + ultimate messianic). God is not limited to human linguistic precision; Scripture presents layered meanings revealed progressively (Heb 1:1–2). If the Spirit inspired Isaiah to use almah (carrying virgin implication), and the same Spirit guided the Septuagint translators and Matthew, then the full meaning unfolds exactly as intended. A “translation error” would only disprove fulfillment if the Hebrew unambiguously excluded virginity—which it does not. The virgin birth stands on multiple lines of evidence (Gospel testimony, early tradition, theological coherence), not solely on one verse.
Conclusion: Your case relies on an overstated almah/betulah distinction that ignores cultural context, Septuagint evidence, and prophetic typology. The virgin birth is not a retroactive fiction built on a linguistic accident; it fits the deeper trajectory of messianic expectation. The argument fails logically and evidentially."

I'm glad you hip to this false argument that the lack of the word betulah disproves a virginal identity.
This argument is not new online either and people are not told the truth . Almah or likely pronounced ghalmah in ancient Ugaritic . It simple meant Royal Bride and the word almah can mean anything a Royal Bride might be . And what Royal Bride was not a virgin ? Correct

 

[Kshatriya]

I'm glad you hip to this false argument that the lack of the word betulah disproves a virginal identity.
This argument is not new online either and people are not told the truth . Almah or likely pronounced ghalmah in ancient Ugaritic . It simple meant Royal Bride and the word almah can mean anything a Royal Bride might be . And what Royal Bride was not a virgin ? Correct

You are coping lmao.

 

[8reed]

1) The “virgin birth” prophecy doesn’t exist in the Hebrew text
Isaiah 7:14 refers to a young woman (‘almah), not a virgin (betulah). The idea of virginity only appears in the Greek translation (parthenos).

2) The Gospels construct the virgin birth based on the Septuagint
Matthew (and, differently, Luke) elaborates the birth story to match Isaiah according to the Greek text. This is retroactive theological storytelling, not independent historical memory.

3) This invalidates the idea of prophetic fulfillment and intentional divine action
If the key event depends on a translation ambiguity or “error,” it cannot be a divinely revealed plan. The virgin birth is therefore a literary invention, undermining Christianity’s claim of fulfillment of prophecy.

you cannot prove the existence of a being through text nor can you disprove it

 

[Shark]

You using man made words to disprove a man made religion is comedic

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

You are coping lmao.

Is coping bad ?

 

[Kshatriya]

Is coping bad ?

Idk man
There is a word for virgin, since a baby being born from a virgin is really weird

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

Idk man
There is a word for virgin, since a baby being born from a virgin is really weird

Yes I am aware the standard Hebrew word for virgin is betulah בתולה . However almah עלמה is a loan word from Ugaritic an ancient semitic language that originally meant Royal Bride.
In Biblical and Rabbinic Hebrew it can mean : young woman, virgin or prostitute. So yes almah can mean virgin in a certain context . Isaiah was a very poetic writer and would use less stereotypical language.

 

[Kshatriya]

Yes I am aware the standard Hebrew word for virgin is betulah בתולה . However almah עלמה is a loan word from Ugaritic an ancient semitic language that originally meant Royal Bride.
In Biblical and Rabbinic Hebrew it can mean : young woman, virgin or prostitute. So yes almah can mean virgin in a certain context . Isaiah was a very poetic writer and would use less stereotypical language.

But Isaiah uses betulah in other parts. Dude belive what you want I respect It. I might write a proper responde tomorrow if I feel like It.

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

But Isaiah uses betulah in other parts. Dude belive what you want I respect It. I might write a proper responde tomorrow if I feel like It.

Isaiah is very abstract and slangy and one of the most complex books in the Hebrew Bible or Tanakh . Using stereotypical grammar to understand Isaiah is foolish. Even outside the Bible Rabbinical literature uses almah in Aramaic for virgin also .

 

[HyperboreanCavalier]

1) The “virgin birth” prophecy doesn’t exist in the Hebrew text
Isaiah 7:14 refers to a young woman (‘almah), not a virgin (betulah). The idea of virginity only appears in the Greek translation (parthenos).

2) The Gospels construct the virgin birth based on the Septuagint
Matthew (and, differently, Luke) elaborates the birth story to match Isaiah according to the Greek text. This is retroactive theological storytelling, not independent historical memory.

3) This invalidates the idea of prophetic fulfillment and intentional divine action
If the key event depends on a translation ambiguity or “error,” it cannot be a divinely revealed plan. The virgin birth is therefore a literary invention, undermining Christianity’s claim of fulfillment of prophecy.

The very fact that the first verse of the first Gospel says he's Jewish is enough for me not to believe it

 

[HyperboreanCavalier]

Islam >>>>

cancer btw, Islamic countries should be turned into parking lots and its people enslaved

 

[Blackpill Monk]

The very fact that the first verse of the first Gospel says he's Jewish is enough for me not to believe it

Christianity is Jewish subversive cult

 

[HyperboreanCavalier]

Christianity is Jewish subversive cult

so true King, Christianity destroyed Rome, Julian was a hero who attempted to stop it but the Roman empire was already hollowed out

 

[Blackpill Monk]

so true King, Christianity destroyed Rome, Julian was a hero who attempted to stop it but the Roman empire was already hollowed out

What today West is facing crisis, it all gets credit to Christcucktainity. If West to be saved, it should abandoned Christcucktainity and followed European Paganism

 

[anon65]

Since I will never understand ancient Aramaic and Hebrew, I can't tell for sure.

 

[HyperboreanCavalier]

What today West is facing crisis, it all gets credit to Christcucktainity. If West to be saved, it should abandoned Christcucktainity and followed European Paganism

100% they need to abandon the weak subversion of Christianity and re-adopt the practices of the ancients, while Christianity did have some positives for Europe, those were mainly products of the fustian spirit of Europeans and not Christianity, it was very much animated by the European spirit for a while after the fall of Rome.

 

[CADcel]

Your argument sounds strong at first, but it falls apart when you look at how the words and culture actually worked back then."

based.

 

[Kshatriya]

100% they need to abandon the weak subversion of Christianity and re-adopt the practices of the ancients, while Christianity did have some positives for Europe, those were mainly products of the fustian spirit of Europeans and not Christianity, it was very much animated by the European spirit for a while after the fall of Rome.

Christianity is to humiliate the goy.
For example, eating flesh and drinking blood was the ultimate form of humiliation from god. Its said to be the damnation of all the goyim.
Look:
Isaiah 49:26
I will make your oppressors eat their own flesh;
they will be drunk on their own blood, as with wine.
Then all mankind will know
that I, the Lord, am your Savior,
your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.”

But then...
John 6:53-56
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.

They are telling It in your face JFL

 

[HyperboreanCavalier]

Christianity is to humiliate the goy.
For example, eating flesh and drinking blood was the ultimate form of humiliation from god. Its said to be the damnation of all the goyim.
Look:
Isaiah 49:26
I will make your oppressors eat their own flesh;
they will be drunk on their own blood, as with wine.
Then all mankind will know
that I, the Lord, am your Savior,
your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.”

But then...
John 6:53-56
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.

They are telling It in your face JFL

It even says "salvation is from the Jews" is one of the verses, I forget which one. Also I prefer using gentile over goyim, I use goy to mean the ignorant exoteric masses

 

[Kshatriya]

It even says "salvation is from the Jews" is one of the verses, I forget which one. Also I prefer using gentile over goyim, I use goy to mean the ignorant exoteric masses

Yes
And he called the caananite lady a dog and that the gentiles are the dogs that eat the leftovers of the sons of god (Jews)

 

[Karlicel]

1) The “virgin birth” prophecy doesn’t exist in the Hebrew text
Isaiah 7:14 refers to a young woman (‘almah), not a virgin (betulah). The idea of virginity only appears in the Greek translation (parthenos).

2) The Gospels construct the virgin birth based on the Septuagint
Matthew (and, differently, Luke) elaborates the birth story to match Isaiah according to the Greek text. This is retroactive theological storytelling, not independent historical memory.

3) This invalidates the idea of prophetic fulfillment and intentional divine action
If the key event depends on a translation ambiguity or “error,” it cannot be a divinely revealed plan. The virgin birth is therefore a literary invention, undermining Christianity’s claim of fulfillment of prophecy.

 

[HyperboreanCavalier]

Yes
And he called the caananite lady a dog and that the gentiles are the dogs that eat the leftovers of the sons of god (Jews)

Being Abrahamic as a non-Jew is really just a humiliation ritual. Now I'll admit Christianity had its moments, but those weren't because of its faith, they were in spite of it, the Faustian spirit for a time overcame the sort of Judaic origins of the religion. For example the crusades were an expression of that Faustian spirit. Although this Europeanness has since faded from the religion.

 

[Kshatriya]

Being Abrahamic as a non-Jew is really just a humiliation ritual. Now I'll admit Christianity had its moments, but those weren't because of its faith, they were in spite of it, the Faustian spirit for a time overcame the sort of Judaic origins of the religion. For example the crusades were an expression of that Faustian spirit. Although this Europeanness has since faded from the religion.

Real shit.
Also renaissance was literally the faustian Spirit saying fuck this bullshit religion lets make truly european art and philosophy again