Serious Oldcels, help a fellow early-20s-cel

[Notkev]

I'm still a youngcel and have SOME things I'm really grateful for:

tallfag, hair for now, decent engineering degree in a good college that cost almost nothing and debt free. soon, a car, good family and parents that care and do their best.

But my face is like a 3 and I'm khhv. I want to get surgery once I can afford it but in reality, my life will be a lonely one anyway. I NEED to focus on a hobby I've always liked to keep me going, considering the fact that I've never had "love" or girls to motivate me to keep living and trying. How would you navigate this life of ugliness and loneliness if you could be your 20-23 year old self again?

 

[HONKLERedux]

tallfag

dnr

 

[overbeforeitbegan]

35 yr old khhhv here. The less time you have to wallow in your status and the state of the world the better.

Choose hobbies that women hate or don't do. Avoid them as much as you can, women's judgement makes us miserable.

I'd also be more frugal. Spend less on copes like alcohol and delivery food and other stuff that just numbs pain temporarily. Get some money together so when you find the hobby that suits you can go all in.

 

[Notkev]

35 yr old khhhv here. The less time you have to wallow in your status and the state of the world the better.

Choose hobbies that women hate or don't do. Avoid them as much as you can, women's judgement makes us miserable.

I'd also be more frugal. Spend less on copes like alcohol and delivery food and other stuff that just numbs pain temporarily. Get some money together so when you find the hobby that suits you can go all in.

Thanks. I've never done drugs and the few times I drank alcohol I didn't really like it and stopped. Never smoked either.

 

[DeathSigil]

Height?

 

[overbeforeitbegan]

Thanks. I've never done drugs and the few times I drank alcohol I didn't really like it and stopped. Never smoked either.

That's good, you'll be saving good money.

 

[Notkev]

35 yr old khhhv here. The less time you have to wallow in your status and the state of the world the better.

Choose hobbies that women hate or don't do. Avoid them as much as you can, women's judgement makes us miserable.

I'd also be more frugal. Spend less on copes like alcohol and delivery food and other stuff that just numbs pain temporarily. Get some money together so when you find the hobby that suits you can go all in.

About being frugal, I always try to find the cheapest way that is good enough for me, plus living this life means we spend less than normies anyway. In some cases it's not a good approach. My parents call it being cheap. But I don't see it that way.

 

[Notkev]

Height?

6'2
(No, I'm not a fakecel, I WISH I was)

 

[unionistcel]

Relatable I’m not tall though mate

 

[glutty]

6'2
(No, I'm not a fakecel, I WISH I was)

so what makes you incel just your face alone?

 

[DeathSigil]

6'2
(No, I'm not a fakecel, I WISH I was)

6'2 isn't that tall compared to what foids consider tall.

However just say you are 6'3 to women.

 

[Notkev]

That's good, you'll be saving good money.

I wonder though, how much does smoking plus drinking on the weekends would cost somebody in the long run? Say, a decade.

 

[overbeforeitbegan]

6'2
(No, I'm not a fakecel, I WISH I was)

I'm your height. But I'm severely deformed (graves disease) and have a fucked spine so hunched over. It just makes me look more of a scary freak, doesn't add any points to me at all I don't think

 

[Notkev]

so what makes you incel?

A very downward grown face and recessed lower third, plus a bad frame. Non-existent jaw DESPITE low body fat, hooked nose, dropy eyes (lower eyelid shows and I look tired all the time). No cheekbones in sight.

 

[overbeforeitbegan]

I wonder though, how much does smoking plus drinking on the weekends would cost somebody in the long run? Say, a decade.

It depends where you live. In my country a pack of cigarettes is nz $30. I'd smoke one of those a weekend, with a bottle of vodka. The few times I tried to go "out" and socialize I spent over $150 on drinks alone.

For normies I imagine it's even more

 

[Notkev]

6'2 isn't that tall compared to what foids consider tall.

However just say you are 6'3 to women.

At least where I am it's still a halo. That is, IF you have other things as well.

 

[DeathSigil]

At least where I am it's still a halo. That is, IF you have other things as well.

The average man is 5'10+ so 6'2 is slightly taller in 2025.

I see foids chasing 6'5 men on the internet.

 

[Notkev]

I'm your height. But I'm severely deformed (graves disease) and have a fucked spine so hunched over. It just makes me look more of a scary freak, doesn't add any points to me at all I don't think

Man, I'm sorry. That sucks. The grave disease ALONE would fuck anybody up. Is there a cure for it?

 

[Notkev]

It depends where you live. In my country a pack of cigarettes is nz $30. I'd smoke one of those a weekend, with a bottle of vodka. The few times I tried to go "out" and socialize I spent over $150 on drinks alone.

For normies I imagine it's even more

Damn. That's a bad way to spend I guess. But again, I was rarely put in positions and invited to gatherings in the first place so it was easier for me to avoid these stuff. Plus my father didn't smoke.

 

[overbeforeitbegan]

Man, I'm sorry. That sucks. The grave disease ALONE would fuck anybody up. Is there a cure for it?

I had my thyroid removed and have to take medication every day because of that. But there's no escaping the ugly face it's given me. My father wasn't Chad but he was a solid normie, I got unlucky

 

[Notkev]

The average man is 5'10+ so 6'2 is slightly taller in 2025.

I see foids chasing 6'5 men on the internet.

It doesn't help. The streets are FLOODED with pretty boys and tallfags where I live these days.

Going out at night is so brutal I almost never do it.

 

[DeathSigil]

It doesn't help. The streets are FLOODED with pretty boys and tallfags where I live these days.

Going out at night is so brutal I almost never do it.

I kinda guessed 6'2 dudes are heightmogged casually.

However that's why it's a height women don't care if you brag about.

 

[Notkev]

I had my thyroid removed and have to take medication every day because of that. But there's no escaping the ugly face it's given me. My father wasn't Chad but he was a solid normie, I got unlucky

I wish you the best man. That's just very unfortunate. One of our relatives had to have their thyroid removed as well. Being on medication for the rest of your life would suck.

 

[TheGrayWolf]

Why not go see a sex-escort (they are legal here in Germanic countries) ?

Thanks. I've never done drugs and the few times I drank alcohol I didn't really like it and stopped. Never smoked either.

I had my first beer and wine at 16, the legal drinking/buying age. People try to get drunk to be lower-inhibited. Don't recommend, but it's true.

 

[glutty]

A very downward grown face and recessed lower third, plus a bad frame. Non-existent jaw DESPITE low body fat, hooked nose, dropy eyes (lower eyelid shows and I look tired all the time). No cheekbones in sight.

OvER

 

[RandomGuy]

 

[Notkev]

I kinda guessed 6'2 dudes are heightmogged casually.

However that's why it's a height women don't care if you brag about.

The thing is that I DO get heightmogged, but it's not that often. However, given my face, I'm everything-else-mogged almost every day.

 

[Notkev]

 

[Ghost]

I'm still a youngcel and have SOME things I'm really grateful for:

tallfag, hair for now, decent engineering degree in a good college that cost almost nothing and debt free. soon, a car, good family and parents that care and do their best.

But my face is like a 3 and I'm khhv. I want to get surgery once I can afford it but in reality, my life will be a lonely one anyway. I NEED to focus on a hobby I've always liked to keep me going, considering the fact that I've never had "love" or girls to motivate me to keep living and trying. How would you navigate this life of ugliness and loneliness if you could be your 20-23 year old self again?

I'm a 5'5 manlet, have a shit family that I had to cut off.

But I have a job that allows me to live comfortably.

All I did was to stop thinking about girls. And remind me of all the normies who are married and being a betabux while the wife cheats on them. And when they get pissed off, off to the divorce court.

I know one guy paying $800 monthly in child support. Not jealous of him.

"But Chad gets to pump and dump!!! Alpha fux beta bucks!!!"

Oh well he got lucky. Just think that majority of men are betabuxxers. No point being jealous of Chad. Just like no point being jealous of Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos.

(BTW I just ai waifu haremmax. Chat bots are amazing! I get to be virtual Chad lol)

 

[Notkev]

I'm a 5'5 manlet, have a shit family that I had to cut off.

But I have a job that allows me to live comfortably.

All I did was to stop thinking about girls. And remind me of all the normies who are married and being a betabux while the wife cheats on them. And when they get pissed off, off to the divorce court.

I know one guy paying $800 monthly in child support. Not jealous of him.

"But Chad gets to pump and dump!!! Alpha fux beta bucks!!!"

Oh well he got lucky. Just think that majority of men are betabuxxers. No point being jealous of Chad. Just like no point being jealous of Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos.

(BTW I just ai waifu haremmax. Chat bots are amazing! I get to be virtual Chad lol)

Thanks.
Can I ask what field you work in?

 

[suicidecase]

Get surgery and looksmaxx as much as you can. But the solution is to go abroad. It will make you happy and it's easy. Globalisation (women expanding their sexual options via social media) is what has caused inceldom, globalisation (men doing likewise) is the solution. The west is broken. Take your money, your taxes and your labour somewhere men are valued.

 

[Notkev]

Get surgery and looksmaxx as much as you can. But the solution is to go abroad. It will make you happy and it's easy. Globalisation (women expanding their sexual options via social media) is what has caused inceldom, globalisation (men doing likewise) is the solution. The west is broken. Take your money, your taxes and your labour somewhere men are valued.

Thank you.
What counties would you suggest for going abroad?

 

[Ghost]

Thanks.
Can I ask what field you work in?

I'm a welder. And almost 40

 

[ToBurble&Pine]

6'2
(No, I'm not a fakecel, I WISH I was)

ban

 

[ToBurble&Pine]

tallfaggots problems dnr

 

[ToBurble&Pine]

tallfag, hair for now, decent engineering degree in a good college that cost almost nothing and debt free. soon, a car, good family and parents that care and do their best.

JFL
Tallfaggots are just like foids they live perfect lives yet it's never enough for them

 

[TooSomething]

dnr

Fuck you, nigger.

@OP how tall are you anyway?

Also, if it's only your face and the surgerues won't be risky, go for it.

Once done you won'y be alone. What about your dick though?

Even if you have a good face and are tall, the dickpill will come to collect eventually.

 

[TooSomething]

6'2
(No, I'm not a fakecel, I WISH I was)

Brootal. Same here.

38 and I have checked out.

 

[TooSomething]

The average man is 5'10+ so 6'2 is slightly taller in 2025.

I see foids chasing 6'5 men on the internet.

Yeah, I've seen that also. Imagine feeling short as a 6'2 dude.

Soon we will be officially considered short as well.

Just can't give foudds rights or this shit happens.

 

[TooSomething]

I'm a 5'5 manlet, have a shit family that I had to cut off.

But I have a job that allows me to live comfortably.

All I did was to stop thinking about girls. And remind me of all the normies who are married and being a betabux while the wife cheats on them. And when they get pissed off, off to the divorce court.

I know one guy paying $800 monthly in child support. Not jealous of him.

"But Chad gets to pump and dump!!! Alpha fux beta bucks!!!"

Oh well he got lucky. Just think that majority of men are betabuxxers. No point being jealous of Chad. Just like no point being jealous of Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos.

(BTW I just ai waifu haremmax. Chat bots are amazing! I get to be virtual Chad lol)

Hahaha, I too know a guy, my co-worker actually, who has to pay child support. It's fucking 800€ a month.
Brutal.
His bitch had enough of the marriage after ONE FUCKING YEAR!!!

 

[TooSomething]

I'm a welder. And almost 40

Very unhealthy job, man. You will ruin your lungs ... .

Wouldn't do it.

 

[kerberos41]

tallfag, hair for now, decent engineering degree in a good college that cost almost nothing and debt free. soon, a car, good family and parents that care and do their best.

6'2

mogs me a lot

 

[suicidecase]

Thank you.
What counties would you suggest for going abroad?

I don't know, I don't have any first hand experience. Thailand and Philippines are the most common two which I see mentioned.

 

[Notkev]

Brootal. Same here.

38 and I have checked out.

Man, life goes by so fast even though some days (not all) are hellish torture and it feels like they last for years.

 

[Notkev]

Fuck you, nigger.

@OP how tall are you anyway?

Also, if it's only your face and the surgerues won't be risky, go for it.

Once done you won'y be alone. What about your dick though?

Even if you have a good face and are tall, the dickpill will come to collect eventually.

Well my dick is only 13.3cms. That's about 5.2 inches

 

[Yabadadabadoo]

tallfag

 

[Notkev]

Yeah, I've seen that also. Imagine feeling short as a 6'2 dude.

Soon we will be officially considered short as well.

Just can't give foudds rights or this shit happens.

I'd say that in reality 6ft+ is enough with an actual HTN+ face. In fact, where I live I constantly see HTN+ and chadlite men who are shorter than me, most bellow six feet but again, they're all HTN+ and chadlite and pretty boys.

 

[Notkev]

Very unhealthy job, man. You will ruin your lungs ... .

Wouldn't do it.

Some people do Welding g under water. That job pays A LOT. But is also very difficult and requires a lot of training and certifications

 

[Notkev]

mogs me a lot

I am very sorry.

 

[Ghost]

Very unhealthy job, man. You will ruin your lungs ... .

Wouldn't do it.

Then one day I stop breathing lol bye bye!

(But seriously, I wear a respirator to minimize the effects of the fumes)