On the other hand, what I had was real.
good for you, but I ain't gonna read all that
Not really though
Mate, please, stfu. I barely could stomach your thread about simping over some braindead e-foid and I don't care to hear your thoughts on the realness of my experience. I would judge my mostly professional interaction with a payed whore to have more real feelings in it than your entire online relationship, primarily because it wasn't based and build around a multitude of lies, and because we actually shared the same room when we talked, touched, fucked and cuddled skin-to-skin.
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Thank you, and I shall try my best.
Someone ought to do some research on the psychological benefits of payed sex for lonely, depressed men, as a step towards maybe getting the state to embrace it as a more effective, less costly alternative to estblished therapy. Talking for 100 hours doesn't hold a candle to losing your virginity, and if the foids were trained to be understanding, kind and enthusiastic in their performance it would minimize the risks (e.g. getting humiliated, feeling like a complete loser because you underperformed in some way, couldn't get hard, etc.).
You just admitted you realized she was faking sounds of pleasure to please you.
You also talked about generic unspecial normy shit like the mechanics of sex.
you'd get more genuine cuddling out of a doggo than her, may as well cuddle a corpse
Why not have both?
"Mechanics of sex" you mean like you did in your post detailing your romantic fantasy? Almost as if the details of the sex you have with another person are simply core to how you feel about them, be that as part of a real or payed relationship.
It also was my first time, and I described how it went because those details are exactly what I was wondering about when I read similar stories by others in the past. Because knowing what went well or badly for someone else in exact detail will give you the best chance to succeed if you ever end up in the same situation, and if you fail, you will at least feel comforted by the knowledge that you are not the only one.
"Unspecial normie shit"? In comparison to some fantasy you can fine-tune in the safety of your own imagination nothing will seem special, as long as you discount the difference between a real kiss and an imagined one.
The fact that she tried to accomodate me with some performative acts at the start of the interaction isn't a point against my claims. There are real human emotions resulting from the interactions of shoper owners and their customers, between people who drive past each other in traffic, between disabled people and the payed professionals who take care of their needs.
Your dismissive attitude wouldn't bug me so much if I hadn't had to read you poorly justifying your desperate simping for some manipulative BPD e-whore. You are the one who would have gotten more genuine returns on his actions attempting to get a dog to love you. I achieved what I wanted, actually made progress and, by my own assessment of the evening, probably even outperformed her low expectations for me.
And I didn't need to simp or lie or grovel for a second in front of some foid. I payed a predetermined amount and got what I needed, provided by someone who treated me maybe not perfectly like I had wanted to, but still kindly, with some sympathy and understanding and warmth.
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I didn't make a public post detailing the romantic fantasies I had with Z those were private collaborations.
In the end, we are all prisoners of our mind. And we don't truly have an interpersonal language. One cannot properly convey his own limits and preferences to another. What is useless and derisible to one, is precious to another. The only thing uniting us here is our heterosexuality.
Those almost sound like the details of a romantic fantasy tbh
I mean amazing effort typing out all of that but I don't have the attention span for that.
Great, you had sex and I haven't even kissed in my life
Stop being jealous of escortcels, get a credit card
I'm afraid to have sex, it's so over. I thought I'll do it with someone I can trust.
Trust? You can only trust a professional, pay for quality and it'll be fine. Nobody's dick works the first time, you want that to happen when you fuck your oneitis? Humans are animals, stop fantasizing about a woman who will accept your weakness, I know I made that mistake and it just wasted my youth
If you bothered to read my (admittedly quite long) report, you would find I had similar doubts and what I did to work around them. Namely, looking for the type of escort who would invest some additional effort to specialize in working with disabled people, which seemed to me like a good indicator of a somewhat kinder, more understanding character.
You think it was easy for me to get naked in front of a(n exceptionally attractive) woman for the first time as a >25 year old man? To have my first kiss under those circumstances? I was so nervous, I was shaking uncontrollably at times.
You think you will be able to fully trust some girl (if you ever meet one willing to accept you) who isn't an escort, any more than you would a professional? Why? Prostitutes at least have a financial incentive to be understanding and not offend you.
Having had sex for the first time, I learned that every aspect of the act is a bit more difficult to coordinate than I would have thought after watching porn my entire life. From the kissing to the touching, from the slow build-up of erotic tension to pounding into a girl in missonary, it's all something that you will likely struggle with when you try it for the first time. So, by not hiring an escort you maximize the chances that, should you find a girl willing to fuck you, you will disappoint her and possibly ruin your best shot at a long-term relationship.
For men like us having sex inevitably includes the risk of aquiring one more painful memory to relive over and over while lying in bed at night. But not taking that risk is itself not a risk-free decision. Avoiding potential harm will leave you without any chance to improve your place in life or make meaningful progress, your only gurantee will be regret and despair at all the chances you never took, all the things you never tried.
So yes, congratulation to me for taking such a risk and having it work out. Well done. I should have done so long ago, and I wish someone in my life would have cared enough to push me in this direction.
If I had a son who couldn't get a girl, I would not just sit by and leave him to his own devices. I would know how to tactfully engage him on these topics, how to make him feel like he could share even the most shameful and humiliating aspects of his life/body/mind, that he could trust me to be on his side w/e he told me. And while I wouldn't force him, I would encourage him repeatedly to hire an escort, much early than I have.
My first time didn't go exactly as I had wanted it to and yet I have zero regrets about it. I can try again, and again, and I feel confident I will have more enjoyable experiences which will help rebuild my damaged pride and self-confidence. And give me something to look forward to in life. Like I am looking forward to right now to fucking a girl in the ass for the first time.
If you were a bit more open with why you are so afraid, maybe one could help you out or at least give some personal opinion on the matter, but if all you are gonna do is just say "I won't have sex, I can't have sex, I'm too scared" then what is there to do?
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that's a lot of work you put in but i wouldn't call it an elaborate fantasy
I copied two quotes and added 4 line breaks. Write something with real informational content or I won't bother engaging any longer.
All I know is that if I experienced teenage love and got my first experience, it wouldn't be so fucking hard. I even started masturbating at 18, because I always thought that cumming hurts. It's a no way situation for me, unless I get raped somehow by a fat foid in the future. Chances are really low, but who knows
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I've been birthdaypilled it's over
It makes me sad to hear you say it like that. I don't know the details of your situation, but if you have the money to spare, you might find payed sex to be a great improvement to your quality of life, even if you first have to endure a set of humiliating and highly emotionally distressing moments. I let my fear and doubts hold me back for at least a decade longer than I should have, and now I regret waiting so long.All I know is that if I experienced teenage love and got my first experience, it wouldn't be so fucking hard. I even started masturbating at 18, because I always thought that cumming hurts. It's a no way situation for me, unless I get raped somehow by a fat foid in the future. Chances are really low, but who knows
How risky I would judge hiring a hooker to be for you would depend on a) if it's legal where you live or not and b) how much money you have. If you can hire a legal escort who is at least somewhat high class, and bring yourself to be open with who you are, what you need and what you struggle with before meeting her, I think you have a reasonably high chance to make your life much better at minimal risk.
I'm really curious as to how I myself would react. After all, I have recently watched Brenton Tarrant's PoV footage, and again I wondered whether I could overcome any possible anxiety. I have never talked to a peer-age female in my entire life for longer than 5 sec.
Back in 2019, I had an adventure where a seemingly-hot, dressed in black substitute teacher refused to elaborate that she was a substitute teacher, shouting at me - I ran away on the verge of tears. But I was 22 at the time, unbelievably so. Now I seem incomparably calmer.
Although music in communal settings will still make me shake, so eh.
I would 100% try it before suicide, of course, but unfortunately, I have no idea whether it's possible for me to enter Germany. I guess, I should wait until ChatGPT-6.9 cums and responds to my inquiry.
In some of the surrounding countries like Netherlands, Belgium and Switzerland very attractive women offer payed cuddling services. If I were in your position, I would hire someone like that first, tell them about my problems and condition, about what I was hoping to get out of the thing and so on, what my fears were and that she please should treat me with lots of care and empathy, and then book an hour or two of cuddling once or twice. That way you slowly get used to female presence, touch and lying side by side. This would give you an idea how difficult payed sex would be for you, if you are ready for it now or need some more time / some kind of additional help, like medication or just more socialisation with women.
Who knows, since payed cuddling shouldn't be illegal anywhere you might find that kind of service in every country, although I don't know how many women are offering it. Over here there were only a few, and they were both old and highly unattractive. Maybe you have more luck.
You could also see some mental health professional and tell them about your exact issues / situation and that you were thinking about hiring a prostitute / escort. Someone like that, if hes willing to help, might have some idea on how to approach the whole thing, maybe some type of therapy specialy tailor-made for people who struggle with direct contact with other people / the opposite sex.
AFAIK your country is in negotiations to join the EU right now, so if those succeed you should be able to enter Germany and all other EU countries without many problems.
Where do you find escorts bro?
I have no idea what this therapy even means - seems like a weird American fetish? Like chemical castration, dick cutting and child drugging?
I dunno, I'd expect the Ukraine to collapse in a year or two, or maybe getting kidnapped finally. I don't want to burden this thread with my issues, but honestly, I'm too out of touch to understand anything at all in this world - be it the IRL nonsense of my maniacal countrymen, or the online spaces such as this.
After all, whores require money, and I have no clue where to get it. My mom goes to Italy once a year for hospice care, doing enemas or some shit.
In the end, I belong to that incredibly narrow cohort which would get upset by your experience not due to sex specifically but everything else surrounding it.
I looked through like 30 websites online, started by googling things like "German escorts" "best german escort sites reddit" and so on, than went through all of them until I found some I liked.
You are throwing out the baby with the bathwater. While I generally make fun of social scientists and their entire ilk every chance I can, they aren't actually all completely incompetent or malicious. If you give them the chance, some of them might have something to offer that could help you.
I have no idea how exactly such a therapy looks like or if it exists, that's why I advised you to ask a professional about it, but I imagine it would involve something like talking through your issues, trying to reduce your aversion to physical contact by slowly exposing you to more and more of it, shit like that, maybe some meds.
As an example from personal experience, during "Ergo-Therapie", I would train a bunch of things, like keeping eye contact and shaking someone's hand and small talk. I would be told to make eye contact every so often while we talked, and, if I forgot, the woman would remind me.
I would hope she would help you go looking for a job or education. Sooner or later you will need some money to cope or just to survive. Probably. Unless your family is wealthier than I thought.
I wouldn't hold it against you. I can relate to feelings of envy, bitterness and wanting to bash in the face of someone for having something I can't have.
That doesn't have to stop you from trying to improve your own lot in life, to w/e extent that is possible. Which you will only know after giving it a serious attempt.
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not reading this because I'm not a cuck and also don't support putting women on an even higher pedestal
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well, if you won't read it I guess you won't find out what I think about that
hab gelogen, hab's gelesen aber würde trotzdem niemals einer Hure geld geben oder jemanden unterstützen der dies tut
Ive been 50/50 on weather I wanna live in utah or nevada. But this thread makes me wanna go to nevada to were hookers are legal
Happy you liked the idea. Think hookers are also pretty expensive over there. Maybe you have enough money that you don't care, but if you aren't that wealthy, just coming over to Europe might be an alternative.
Despite the price, its legal so I dont have to worry about it being drugged women being rapped since thats how most hookers work. Or illegall ones. So no evil shit. Also nevada is more red of a state then WA. So i dont have a assualt weapons ban in my way for getting new guns besides what I already have. I kinda wish incels would move to nevada. We could all gather up. Be ourselfs. Suffer less since theres hookers.
Congrats! It's good to not have a complex about buying sex. Men have been buying sex since the beginning of time. They trained monkey to trade coins for banana slices and the first thing they did with it was use it to buy sex from the females. Military men are the biggest customers, especially navy men.
To be fair, if you're used to deathgripping your cock, yes it is less stimulating. But it is stimulating in a gentle but much more erotic way. Also her body contributes a lot. Porn positions are kind of trash, they are tailored to look good on video. You've got to figure out what you like.
Yeah. I like to play with them and mash them on my face. Lick the nipples, etc. But I can only spend a few minutes tops with them before moving on. Very, very overrated.
It might be the condom. You're already spending hundreds on the hooker, don't cheap out on the condom. Get high-quality condoms. I recommend Sagami 004, they are very thin so you can feel as much as possible, but also very reliable.
To be fair, if you're used to deathgripping your cock, yes it is less stimulating. But it is stimulating in a gentle but much more erotic way. Also her body contributes a lot. Porn positions are kind of trash, they are tailored to look good on video. You've got to figure out what you like.
I read the entire thing, my biggest takeway is the lack of emotional intimacy, thats what I want the most probably more than success, there really is no substitute for it, I am probably going to die this way.
I don't think your idea of the average hooker applies in most of europe. In fact, before feminism completly absorbing identity politics as it's core guiding principle, I remember skipping through some feminist book trying to disspell that exact myth. Obvious it's a real thing in some parts of the world, but, in developed countries, the vast majority of prostitutes simple whore themselves out because it's easy money you can earn without any qualification except for being female. And lots of easy money as well. When I looked, 100/hour was the lower bound for independend whores. Lower end girls form agencies in more popular tourist-filled cities were easily 3-4 times as expensive at least. And slightly higher class whores demanded even more.
Imagine earning that kind of money right after school because you have two x chromosomes. Work comfortable hours on the weekend and chill the rest of the time while living a middle-class life style. Whores in palces where prostitution is legal don't deserve sympathy, they deserve envy.
Nevada seems terrible because of the costs, many of us are barely functional and don't/can't hold a job, those who are working often don't make nearly enough money to afford to live there while also indulging in such expensive copes. Although from what I can see Nevada isn't even that expensive compared to other popular palces in the US. So who knows. Still won't hold a candle in terms of price-effectivness vs some of the european alternatives.
Do agree though, being amongst ourselves in some incel friendly country / state somewhere would potentially make many things more bareable. We are too few to affect any change, but if we were united in one location we could at least affect the towns we live in to some extent.
Towards the end that changed though. I didn't go into detail because it was already fairly long, but when I say we talked and laughed after the sex, I do mean to convey that we had a relaxed atmosphere, I opened up about my life a bit and asked her about hers, and between some more kissing and licking she rested her head on my chest and just stroked my body lightly. And I interlocked our legs and pressed her body close to mine.
Obviously, it's still not the real thing, but it felt great, and it did heal my heart a bit. I think this black and white thinking of "100% true intimacy or no intimacy at all" is dangerous. Even in a real relationship there will be pretense, lies, discomfort and so on. What I got was good enough to make a difference to my life overall, and, if you don't at least give it a chance, you won't know if it maybe would have done the same for you.
On which site did you look for escorts?
Well thats good, I suppose if someone repeatedly visited an escort they liked then it could get more intimate but she would never truly be into you and its also just not good to be constantly paying, not just from a financial standpoint but also for the immersion and its not a real relationship, I would only get an escort before I rope or something.
By the way the fourth pic of the redhead is a fake I am 99% sure thats not an escort but just some insta thot I have whacked off to a couple times. For some reason her pics seem to get stolen alot, I would advise avoiding whatever escort thing you found it from because that one is definitely a scam.
Also I think you mentioned somewhere in the post that you shaved your body? How did you do it I have never shaved my body before and I have alot of hair in some places.
The one thing I'm not worried about is me failing to sustain the emotional distance to one of these girls, if there is one thing I am good at it's killing that kind of unreasonably optimistic hope inside me before it can blossom into a delusion.
Many users on here seem to have that mindset. I can't understand why, but in the end it's your decision and you know yourself better than I ever could.
Thanks for telling me, though I just randomly selected a few pics from random countries to make a point, none of these were in Germany I think. But yeah, scams seem common, and filters even more so. So many pics are obviously edited, it's unreal. Handy filters remove the difficult part and it seems like they almost all use them by now.
I usually just trim the hair down with an electric razor, but for the escort date I used epilation creme. Apply generously, wait for 10 minutes and then remove creme and hair. I needed to leave it on a bit longer, but be careful, you can get chemical burns if you leave it on too long. Afterwards, many hairs are still there but will simply break off if you apply some light pressure. I tested it out once a few weeks before to make sure I knew it would work, then used it again one day before the big night.
It would be alot of typing to explain why, but the obvious part about doing it before I die is that it's pointless to die a virgin. I should know what tits feel like or whatever else I want to do.
What do you mean by applying light pressure, with your hands or use some sort of shaving tool? Were you able to get everywhere with the creme? What about stuff like asshole and dick, I know its gay to talk about but I have never done it lol
Why you would do it at all seems obvious to me, why you would wait until the last moment is what I struggle with.
They put a scrapping tool in every box of depilation creme, at least over here. Some hairs remained still, but I could simply take them out with my fingers. Think these hairs might have fallen out over time anyways, but I didn't want the escort to feel them or rip them out with her hand or even worse mouth, so I was pretty thorough.
I mostly did my genital area including the shaft with a little bit extra room but without touching my back side. Not sure if your asshole is actually a safe place to use depilation creme on, and certainly not a razor. I know you can do it and some people do shave back there, but there are real risks of pretty disgusting complications, so I would advice against it. If cremes are allowed for that area you would have to google.
I think going on a long tangent about it is pointless since we are going to different opinions either way, I am also several years younger than you so I am in no danger of becoming a wizard just yet.
Thanks for the information its very useful as I actually knew nothing before haha. I don't know if I would shave my asshole as I am not interested in pegging or a prostate orgasm or whatever I am just not sure if its like since I am shaving everything that I may as well shave there, or if its disgusting to have hair there, its also just annoying to have hair there for hygiene purposes.
How simple was it to use the creme on yourself and remove all the hair? You can reach everywhere necesarry by yourself?
I simply followed the instruction on the package. The first time it didn't quite get all the hairs, so the second time I used more creme and left it on a minute or two longer. Reaching the necessary spots wasn't difficult, although while doing your balls it's pretty hard to avoid getting some cremes on the insides of your legs.
Oh ok and how long does it take to do overall? 15 minutes, half an hour?
10 minutes to take effect, another 5 or so to apply and remove, your probably gonna make a mess the first time so another 10 for clean up, so about half an hour tops I would say
i have 4inch dick no escortcelling for me she would record it and post it online like those japanese
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