News New Incels.is Rule announcement: Regulation of child erotica and discussion of paedophilia

[Deleted member 28312]

It's over for this forum. First it's no loli porn and next thing you know "no racism/misogyny/transphobia"

 

[Krarez]

The absolute state of this clownworld
Forsaken men are whiteknighting cartoons
it is Over

 

[PPEcel]

No that cartoon is under 18 and you can see her thighs. Enjoy your permaban. Meanwhile I'll post an acceptable pic

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This cartoon foid is fully clothed and is innocently sitting in front of a man while being petted. This is fine since the foid, though under the age of consent for cartoon characters, is fully clothed and not engaging in any sexual activity.

As noted above, @Zer0/∞'s image is OK.

 

[Lv99_BixNood]

It's over for this forum. First it's no loli porn and next thing you know "no racism/misogyny/transphobia"

This, it's absolutely pathetic. And it's not like this forum is gaining anything from this shit either, cartoon porn is not illegal jfl.

 

[Steiner Ex Machina]

It's over for this forum. First it's no loli porn and next thing you know "no racism/misogyny/transphobia"

This is what I'm afraid too, there are already Chads in here too like Rhaast and Moeggels, things can go south real fast by taking this path.

 

[Deleted member 38748]

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source: trust me bro im based and not age cucked

this ancient post is the only thing I found when looking "13 year olds" on search

 

[Fat Link]

If this is real giga cope fbi normie type shit u may hate anime but Don’t go around calling people that do like it pedos there’s a huge difference

Anime faggots and their degeneracy have been green lighted as being a-ok to be members of the forum if only because this particular sickness is unfortunately so widespread culturally.

 

[Fat Link]

This, it's absolutely pathetic. And it's not like this forum is gaining anything from this shit either, cartoon porn is not illegal jfl.

I’ve been continually updating the new rules thread all day and added @PPEcel’s clarification of his PDF in easy to find green colored text and you could say it’s the cliff notes version of his lengthy long winded legalese.

The legalese and long winded nature of both our contributions to the new rules is absolutely necessary we feel due to the types of vicious enemies out there that we have in the MSM and various Marxist/Zionist controlled governments of the world.

 

[Michinomiya Hirohit]

Didn't call anyone a pedo. I only said "discussion of". Sorry if there is a misunderstanding.

No not you I was referring to other people here especially grey cels call anything anime related pedo this pedo that what most niggas don’t know the age of concent in a lot of countries is 16 so you can legally say u want to fuck a 16 year old you can even do it in front of a cop

 

[novarem]

...This is very rageful. Times like this makes me want to be Japanese so badly. I fucking hate the WEST!!!

Exactly. If she makes my dick hard, she's old enough.

 

[PPEcel]

This, it's absolutely pathetic. And it's not like this forum is gaining anything from this shit either, cartoon porn is not illegal jfl.

18 U.S.C. § 1466A does criminalize cartoon porn within the confines of the Miller test, requiring (in part) the government to prove that it lacks any serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. Federal obscenity prosecutions are extremely rare nowadays but these laws have been judged facially constitutional as recently as the late 2000s. Mods don't have time or expertise to run through Miller's three-prong test and study case law every time someone posts cartoon porn, hence why we adopt this rule.

Anime faggots and their degeneracy have been green lighted as being a-ok to be members of the forum if only because this particular sickness is unfortunately so widespread culturally.

Just to clarify, this rule permits moderators to remove only anime depicting sexually explicit conduct.

 

[fast_curry]

jfl I think you might eventually get a Ph.D. thesis out of this

 

[Lv99_BixNood]

I’ve been continually updating the new rules thread all day and added @PPEcel’s clarification of his PDF in easy to find green colored text and you could say it’s the cliff notes version of his lengthy long winded legalese.

The legalese and long winded nature of both our contributions to the new rules is absolutely necessary we feel due to the types of vicious enemies out there that we have in the MSM and various Marxist/Zionist controlled governments of the world.

Cartoon porn is not illegal, so how exactly does banning it benefit the forum? If you don't want porn just ban porn in general and delete this embarassing agecuck shit.

18 U.S.C. § 1466A does criminalize cartoon porn within the confines of the Miller test, requiring (in part) the government to prove that it lacks any serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. Federal obscenity prosecutions are extremely rare nowadays but these laws have been judged facially constitutional as recently as the late 2000s. Mods don't have time or expertise to run through Miller's three-prong test and study case law every time someone posts cartoon porn, hence why we adopt this rule.

How is this relevant if it's not actually applied? Has anyone even been prosecuted for this? The US has tons of weird laws that have no practical relevance whatsoever. Don't tell me you actually think someone can sue this forum for loli porn

Not to mention it's impossible to objectively prove a drawing has no artistic value jfl.

 

[Dregster]

My thread I made back in December on another forum was prophetic to this new policy.

https://*************/index.php?thr...ts-than-a-human-male-in-the-21st-century.114/

Another forum that has personalityInkwell active= automatically invalid

 

[Sheogorath]

This is very rageful. Times like this makes me want to be Japanese so badly. I fucking hate the WEST!!!

mixed feelings because japs do the lulz censor for genitalia which is token and never covers everything

and also because living costs require something like 14 hour salaryman work days

Exactly. If she makes my dick hard, she's old enough.

this isn't really sensible reasoning TBH, like there are people who get hard dicks to newborn babies and they're obviously not old enough to put a dick in because vagina's too small
this only works for non-existant superpower babies with elasticity and healing factor because they have huge potential anal circumference: IRL babies too young bro

 

[PPEcel]

Has anyone even been prosecuted for this?

Yes. See United States v. Whorley, 550 F.3d 326 (4th Cir. 2008), among other cases.

Not to mention it's impossible to objectively prove a drawing has no artistic value jfl.

Law isn't a hard science. Miller explicitly requires the application of "contemporary community standards", for example.

 

[curryboy420]

I guess the British glowniggers told the American glowniggers that run this site that cartoon Loli is no longer allowed

 

[TheDarkEnigma]

Spoiler: Emergency Rulemaking Guidance No.1

View: https://imgur.com/a/bfSFkFg

A PDF version is available on request.

Damn bro, my nigga @PPEcel went all the way to format it into a professional design.

Putting your law skills into good use.

 

[faded]

If an image depicts an individual who can be reasonably construed as being an adult, it should be fine. Use your judgment.


This picture does not depict sexual intercourse, bestiality, masturbation, sadomasochism, or the lascivious exhibition of sexual areas, so this picture is OK. Other rules apply, though; e.g. don't spam in ID.

Shut the fuck up. If I want to say I want to fuck a 14 year old foid who already has fucked dozens of Chads to make up for years of inceldom, suffering, and lack of teenage love , I should have the freedom to say it and anyone who has a problem with that can go to hell.

 

[ScandinaviaCel]

The fuck is this? You're actually banning fucking drawings that are not illegal anywhere in world except in a few ultra-cucked countries? On what grounds? Not even fucking normies think loli porn is immoral. Are you that desperate for the approval of feminists and soyfags?

I have never posted any porn here nor do I care for others posting porn, but this has to be the single most cucked mod decision I have ever seen. Do you want to turn this place into another politically correct censorship hellhole? @Fat Link

same, i have never looked for erotica on these forums. but it still feels wrong to censor this when even normies would ignore it.

 

[PPEcel]

Shut the fuck up. If I want to say I want to fuck a 14 year old foid who already has fucked dozens of Chads to make up for years of inceldom, suffering, and lack of teenage love , I should have the freedom to say it and anyone who has a problem with that can go to hell.

You still have that freedom, just use words and not indecent images.

 

[faded]

You still have that freedom, just use words and not indecent images.

First agecucks and soys ban images, then words are next. Then this place becomes Reddit . It’s a slippery slope.

 

[Lv99_BixNood]

Yes. See United States v. Whorley, 550 F.3d 326 (4th Cir. 2008), among other cases.

And compared to that how many people have been tried for "hate speech" or terrorism charges? If you want to make this forum untouchable to law enforcement you would have to ban everything that can be construed to committing a crime in any way (since as you said law is not a science and can be bent to whatever the judges want it to be), including any references to "going ER", rape, having sex with jbs, as well as statements of support for any groups the US considers terrorists (like taliban). Essentially this means you would turn this forum into reddit, good job.

 

[Sheogorath]

I'm going to do a basic reply before actually reading the new rules, just based on the post.

There has been a longstanding debate whether the forum should proscribe only material that is explicitly illegal, in keeping with our traditional commitment to free expression; or whether the Moderation team should go further than what the law requires of them, if only to curb our most undesirable elements.

what makes the elements non-desirable?

Generally speaking, child erotica is material relating to children that are used for a sexual purpose, but do not conform to the statutory definition of child pornography. I believe that what some users describe as "Lolicon" would fall into this category.

This is untrue, a lot of lolicon art is not used for sexual purposes. Some is done for cuteness and other is done to invoke sadness or anger.

I also dislike the term child being used because it conveys the impression of real children, people think photographs and shit, so you should specify "fictional underage character"

The forum has never had a rule explicitly regulating child erotica, as it is not necessarily illegal; nor is it necessarily "foid worship" or "gay/trans content". The Moderation team has decided to plug this loophole, so to speak, and prohibit the dissemination of certain child erotica.

*listens*

The team will promulgate the following Rule, which is carefully worded to decrease free expression concerns.

IE "we're going to limit free expression but have some loopholes in our band so it's not as limiting as you first assumed"

The Rule goes into effect immediately.

did you put it on IMGUR to easily link it to people who don't want plug forum?

A PDF version is available on request.

sure plz PM me one

As @Fat Link has stated, the Incels.is Rules are a "living document". A degree of flexibility is necessary to allow the Moderation team to address a wide variety of internal and external threats to the presence and culture of our community. There may be additional rules, or amendments to existing rules, in the future, and the Moderation team will always seek community consultation where possible.

I can see you dated it Feb 2022, I would recommend more specific date in future (ie feb 1st) in case you need to release multiple versions in a single month.

Also given this is numbered "guidance number one" is every update going to be +1 (guidance number 2) or if you make amendments to existence guidances will you be using decimals like "1.1" or "1.2" to signify updates?

 

[PPEcel]

And compared to that how many people have been tried for "hate speech" or terrorism charges? If you want to make this forum untouchable to law enforcement you would have to ban everything that can be construed to committing a crime in any way (since as you said law is not a science and can be bent to whatever the judges want it to be), including any references to "going ER", rape, having sex with jbs, as well as statements of support for any groups the US considers terrorists (like taliban). Essentially this means you would turn this forum into reddit, good job.

Actually, much of what normies consider to be "hate speech" is legal in the U.S -- references to going ER, rape, having sex with JBs, are expressly legal, unlike obscenity depicting the sexual abuse of children.

 

[Sheogorath]

Ban all pedos

that's silly, pedophiles need help with their fixation on prepubescent girls, we can help them by giving lewds of older girls which are decent

with all the 3dpd roasties it'd be no wonder if pedophilia is on the rise unnaturally as a react, so only 2D waifus can treat this disease

 

[TINMAN]

Outlawing loli porn is the most braindead thing I've ever seen. What do you think is going to happen if you take away essentially the only harmless sexual outlet they have?

 

[Sheogorath]

Cucked and gay, I want to coom to pure anime lolis

Cuckoldry is about a lack of awareness of how one is exploited.

It has nothing to do with action, but rather with informedness. So youre use of it to refer to PPEcel is incorrect.

It is possible PPEcel has some things he is unaware of which might be perceived as 'cucked' but to make this argument you should explain what those things are.

Ironically: explaining to someone how they've been cucked stops them from actively being cuckolds if they understand: only their past cuckolded self is a cuckold.

don't forget @Philistine and @Wizard32

why would it be suifuel for me? This doesn't cut off my loli supply: i AM the loli supply

 

[Deleted member 38579]

pretty bizarre to compare retardcels talking about raping children to cartoon porn

 

[Sheogorath]

pedofags seething

not exactly angry, if I can't post lolis here anymore I'll be less active and that's probably a good thing so I can spend more time watching anime

I'm at best averaging an episode a week lately it's pathetic, used to be like 50 in my prime

i can touch my dik to drawings of 8 year olds!!!!!
this is like goerge orwill 1928!!!!

did you mean to write "can't"
and 1984?

im tired of seeing loli threads, thank you wise and judicious mods

what types of threads do you prefER?

imagine fapping to drawings...

imagine fapping to 3DPD roasties being fucked by IRL chads

my dick my choice

if anyone is actually fapping to an incels.is thread they are probably gay tbh I really hope nobody was doing that to my loli threads I'd feel violated

Lots of users have anime foid avis. Those users better be careful what type of avi they use.

guess my busty hula dancer and Rittenhouse will stay up for a while

MY DICK MY CHOICE. PEDOPHILIA IS A HUMAN RIGHT

I have never seen anyone refer to possession of a mental disorder as a human right, seems like you argue a straw man.

i bet you attend pride parades as a MAP faggot

pride kicked out NAMBLA and similar back in the 80s, they prob get the same treatment cops get

 

[PPEcel]

Outlawing loli porn is the most braindead thing I've ever seen. What do you think is going to happen if you take away essentially the only harmless sexual outlet they have?

They can get their fix on Discord.

I also dislike the term child being used because it conveys the impression of real children, people think photographs and shit, so you should specify "fictional underage character"

It doesn't make a difference.

IE "we're going to limit free expression but have some loopholes in our band so it's not as limiting as you first assumed"

We like to see this Rule as a narrow construction.

I can see you dated it Feb 2022, I would recommend more specific date in future (ie feb 1st) in case you need to release multiple versions in a single month.

Also given this is numbered "guidance number one" is every update going to be +1 (guidance number 2) or if you make amendments to existence guidances will you be using decimals like "1.1" or "1.2" to signify updates?

We will take this into consideration.

 

[Sheogorath]

i don’t support MAP’s

apostrophe cancer gtfo

they are trying to lump themselves in with degenerate queers and trannies.

if you can use their present buoyancy to push them underwater while lifting yourself up to breath I don't see the prob tbh

God save the king and by “king” I am of course referring to @Uggo Mongo Lord of the seven incel kingdoms and defender of the realm.

have never heard of this guy is he your money guy

 

[Deleted member 20434]

It’s ovER for us
@IncelHQ @Arescel @ThinTinyDickCel @Experiment626

Wait nah you guys are good I think all this Bans is literal CP and loli porn drawings but I’ve never you guys post that so ur fine

 

[Sheogorath]

why? pedo stuff is for when they under like 12

pedophilia refers to pre-pubescent children and puberty can start anywhere between age four (Lina Medina) and age fourteen.
A better guide than years of age would be evaluating body via tanner stages

@Wizard32 i think your thread triggered this.

threadS
and I'm guessing I account for 40-60% of loli content that triggered it, I vaguely recall a smattering of contributions by others

most foids are already pubescent at 11.

I tend to term it "mid-pubescent" following the pattern of assigning prefixes.

Holy fucking based. [UWSL]morality aside I consider coomposters of all varieties to be foid worshipping. Mod chads[/UWSL][UWSL]... I fucking kneel [/UWSL]

I see your 3-week anniversary is coming up 3 days from now

 

[iamsubhuman]

ironically even the MAP community looks more based compared to you.

you couldnt glow harder if you drank 30 shots of dibutyl phthalate

Joined: January 18, 2022

 

[Sheogorath]

why block stuff when it isn't illigal?

other non-illegal stuff like promoting homosexuality and going tranny and fucking trannies is already blocked

I expect it's mostly concern-trolling so we "look better" to guys like IT even though they'll hate us regardless

that or paranoia about feds using obscenity laws to try and take down the new site owners

though more likely feds would use charges to pressure owners into a plea deal to give them more control over the site

I always assume feds fully controlled the site though

so if they did, why would they need to do this? I can see two theories:

1) to give impression they do not

2) some kinda master plan to track IPs of all people who view threads w/ lolicon uploads and call it a CP ring and V& all of us

 

[Deleted member 38748]

Please locate the bragging

This is true though, I believe sex outside of marriage should be outlawed, and that an age of consent is inherently broken.

Although I won't be making any further comments as I'm a law abiding citizen

Never accused you of bragging at all. Don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Sheogorath]

Ok its gone I didn't post nude Illya and Kuro kissing

is kuro from that prisma illya spinoff I haven't gotten around to watching?

 

[Lv99_BixNood]

Actually, much of what normies consider to be "hate speech" is legal in the U.S -- references to going ER, rape, having sex with JBs, are expressly legal, unlike obscenity depicting the sexual abuse of children.

Look I live in Europe, I'm not an expert on US law. But it's pretty much common sense that if this forum gets into trouble it will be for links to violence/"terrorism" and not for loli porn.

Also there are no children being abused in cartoon porn. If loli porn is actually illegal in the US why is it all over the American internet? Clearly nobody actually cares.

 

[Sheogorath]

Dont be stupid, a 17 yr old can't be a "loli"

yes they can, if you look at early usage of the term in the 70s/80s it was mostly about teen girls
only in the 90s/00s did it get broadened to include younger ones prob because that one 'lolita anime' used a younger one in ep 3 for some reason
basically they forgot about heidicon/alicecon alternatives to lolitacon

 

[Sheogorath]

according to normfags loli is anything under 18

I actually agree with normalfags on this but for different reasons than they believe, just because the 1970s history agrees with this usage

if anything we should be banning the term lolicon from applying to girls less than 10 years old

single-digit girls are arisucon / heidicon

They will probably say anything that has barely any sexually dimorphic characteristics.

which of course is silly since traditionally what made a girl a lolita was puberty and the development of those characteristics

even the younger "alicecon" category was still tanner 1-2 territory where they began to bud

it's only the babykon/toddlerkon/heidikon which completely lack pubescent characteristics

in 20 years the age of consent will be 25

I give it eight tbh

Wouldn't be surprised if users eventually start getting banned for posting jb whore instagram bathing suit pics. Normiecels with cucked mentalities having influence is a slippery slope to a reddit tier forum

this will def happen

they'll just have to use words instead of excessively sexual images.

Excess is a subjective thing, any time it is used IMO should say "excess in relation to our desired guidelines"

 

[PPEcel]

Look I live in Europe, I'm not an expert on US law. But it's pretty much common sense that if this forum gets into trouble it will be for links to violence/"terrorism" and not for loli porn.

It's not, actually. Americans care a lot more about pedos than they do mass shootings; the latter seems to be a national sport at this point. What this does is allow mods to manage certain greycels in this aspect before they become an issue.

I don't think people have actually read the document.

 

[Sheogorath]

These images are evocative in nature and really helps us express our inner-most affections. It's really healthy for us on the surface as an incel we don't receive this in person.

Posting loli images for others has never acted like a substitute to having a GF, not sure where you get that.

IMO just helps to make arguments, like people say "X is not hot" and just showing a pic's worth a million words to make them second-guess themself

It should be my own right, my own integrity, my own dignity to the drawings I express myself to.

This is an incomplete sentence, what did you mean to write in the 2nd half here?

There is no harm done to any real victims but inanimate pencil lines. You are denying that from us.

Mods are not moralfagging to protect victims they are prob doing this to protect the site and userbase from feds, who IT has prob been sending lots of reports to.

Maybe they have inside scoop how IT might have influenced some senator to use us like some kind of rallying point and are pre-empting it.

What this does is allow mods to manage certain greycels in this aspect before they become an issue.

are there a lot of greycels posting loli? I thought only men-of-culture years-cels like me did this

I don't think people have actually read the document.

I'll get to it once I'm done replying to every single post in this thread

over for both pedophiles and hebephiles

How exactly is "mods don't want lolis posted" (or whatever rules say, again haven't read yet) going to make it over?

They can still talk about other shit

Can I post cute lolis that are not sexualized like this?
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exposing thighs is haram in islam, and showing soles is possibly foot fetishism, mods might need to rule on this

if they tolerate it maybe it just leads to a softcore world where we can post lolis long as there's no genitalia which is probably a blessing for those of us who can't compartmentalize the 2D dicks polluting images

I don't think @Azaylias did anything.

maybe not in terms of moderation I think they just meant in terms of how he's talking lately and affecting the culture

 

[PPEcel]

exposing thighs is haram in islam, and showing soles is possibly foot fetishism, mods might need to rule on this

read the rules

 

[Sheogorath]

The fuck is this? You're actually banning fucking drawings that are not illegal anywhere in world except in a few ultra-cucked countries? On what grounds?

obv. the prurient/obscenity/cp risk

even if they're not technically illegal feds can make the argument and pressure you into plea deals w/ legal fees and embarassment

@PPEcel and @Fat Link if they do try this please have the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund on your speed-dials I want to see Neil Gaiman come speak on the defense of incels.is in court

Not even fucking normies think loli porn is immoral.

I disagree, I would still classify "loli is immoral" to be normy viewpoints, or at least the viewpoints that normies express openly.

Maybe under the hood they actually understand the difference but normies are too cowardly to express it en masse.

Are you that desperate for the approval of feminists and soyfags?

mods know they don't approve this is prob just to avoid liabilities and also give a kind of "see we have rules against it" means of trolling them when they falsely calls us pedos

But in picture, sometimes there's not much difference between a 15 yr old to an 18 yr old, so as long as no age is mentioned, they should be good
Most of the time that age range of foids between 15 and 18 look the same anyway

I wonder how mods will solve the whole Konata's 18 v Yomiko's 14 problem w/ visual vs actual ages

he constantly boasts about 13 year olds and how they are attractive, fertile and fuckable etc.

has @Azaylias done that lately or just historically?

If an image depicts an individual who can be reasonably construed as being an adult, it should be fine. Use your judgment.

Etna (red hair) is 1470 and Flonne (blonde) is 1509 so I can reasonably construe both as being >100 years old and thus adults.



so will you tolerate the centurion/millenial lolis because of their actual ages or ignore that and go based on looks?

This picture does not depict sexual intercourse, bestiality, masturbation, sadomasochism

I might be able to help you with broadening your criteria.

For example there are softcore "implied sex" image which only IMPLY (but do not "depict") sexual intercourse since you cannot verify it is happening due to not showing genitalia.

Also the term masturbation only refers to hands/fingering the genitals, so you might want to add "frotteurism" to deal with stuff like "loli is rubbing her vulva on a desk, it's lewd even though you can't see her pussy" type stuff.

I could post some examples but I don't want to get banned for violating rules you haven't written yet. I'm just assuming you don't want to see it, but I can link some offsite on gelbooru for you to consider.

why is S&M banned? I can't show a loli kicking a guy in the face because he might be a masochist and enjoy it?

the lascivious exhibition of sexual areas, so this picture is OK.

this requires clarification regarding how far beyond genitalia it refers: does it include nipples, for example?

 

[Sheogorath]

I'll post an acceptable pic
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This cartoon foid is fully clothed and is innocently sitting in front of a man while being petted.
This is fine since the foid, though under the age of consent for cartoon characters, is fully clothed and not engaging in any sexual activity.

Headpats are as intimate as handholding though and some japs think handholding and cheek-kisses are sexual

so this might be sexual too

ngl i am guilty of posting loli hentai in the sewers, hopefully no mod finds it

I think it just means they'll delete it, rule is prob only going to punish future posts in February and beyond, if they go back and retroactively punish posts that's bullshit

I just want to know what they will do about the old posts: are they going to nuke entire threads if the OP has loli, or just edit to remove it, or let it say and just prevent new content?

 

[Deleted member 20434]

ngl i am guilty of posting loli hentai in the sewers, hopefully no mod finds it

Don’t worry they will never know (send me some on disc btw)

 

[iamsubhuman]

I'll get to it once I'm done replying to every single post in this thread

ain't nobody reading your walls of texts dude

 

[Sheogorath]

There are adults that look like children

didn't we have a thread in the last month about a new docu-series about 20+ foid who looks like she's preteen ? forget name

Don’t go around calling people that do like it pedos there’s a huge difference

agreed, pedophilia is usually a transitory problem where someone hates themself for liking pre-loli girls until they accept there's nothing wrong with it at which point they no longer suffer pedophilia

I don't give a shit about the new rule but jfl, mods really typed up a 4 page doc in legalese and everything.

it looks polished but when I get around to reading it (maybe tomorrow?) I'm going to mark it up

 

[Deleted member 40627]

fuck all rules i break all rules fuck all mods i kill all mods (video game)