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Discussion Natural Selection>Sexual selection in Male dominated Species

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The only selection that exists in a species where Males dominate is Natural selection. Fisherian runaway effect is seen mostly in species where males can't really Dominate or current Humans. Natural Selection>Sexual selection. That's one reason why making males dominant is also a great way to impart better genes, because men will fuck anyone. Hence every foid with different genes will get a chance. But if females dominate in a species which relies more on quality of offspring than quanity, then that species might not survive at all. Females dominate more on species where quantity of offspring is more imporant than quality because they need bigger bodies.

In my opinion giving males more power also ensures intillegence compared to species where males are kept as slaves or just drones for reproducing. Males try out new things because of this and are more prone to develop science, philosophy, literature etc. They're also more funny because of this.
 
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Doesn't make too much sense at all, sexual selection equals higher pressure on males to match female standards, if these standards are good, it will develop into a superior species, just like humans. In fact sexual pressure from women pushed men to excel their potential and create all the art, science and philosophy we admire, because men had to impress women even in patriarchal times.
 
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Agreed , there’s no natural selection except girls who go for thugs :feelsdevil: They in fact get naturally selected
 
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Sexual selection can be seen as a part of natural selection.
not the same. Search Fisherian Runaway effect. In many other species too, because of sexual selection they get exaggerated qualities which makes them less fit for their enviorment.
 
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not the same. Search Fisherian Runaway effect. In many other species too, because of sexual selection they get exaggerated qualities which makes them less fit for their enviorment.
But what about Zahavi's handicap principle which explains why those qualities are chosen?
 
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But what about Zahavi's handicap principle which explains why those qualities are chosen?
That theory doesn't make much sense because for some reason it compares things like Men spending a lot of money on education to somthing like Peacock's tail. I might understand that this theory is saying beauty is a shortcut way of determining good genes but we know that's not true. It also compare's peacock's tail to the male tendency of being risky and doing weird things. Most risky and weird things done among men is done by incels or normies, rarely do chads do anything like that. That just shows the proof of a intuitively better and curious male brain. Also in species like peacocks etc, sexual selection is actually a selection that happens. In Humans, women didn't used to have much say in who they fuck. They just were attracted to the man, who fucked them the hardest and gathered resources easily. You can still see nowadays in the evolutionary remenants that women have rape kinks and orgasm easily during rape. Rape itself is a modern phenomenom in this gynocentric but patriarchal society, since rapes during those times were just a normal thing that happens. Impregnating a woman wasn't seen as some big thing back then as it was completly and most women wanted it.
 
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beauty is a shortcut way of determining good genes but we know that's not true.
There's a correlation between one's appearance and their health/genes though.
For example, if one has a small mandible with a fucked-up bite, there's definitely something wrong with their genes. Or if, say, someone has dark circles under the eyes. Or if their face is noticeably asymmetric. And so on.
 
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There's a correlation between one's appearance and their health/genes though.
For example, if one has a small mandible with a fucked-up bite, there's definitely something wrong with their genes. Or if, say, someone has dark circles under the eyes. Or if their face is noticeably asymmetric. And so on.
How do dark circles indicate less survival rate. I think Brain or iq, and ability to handle chaos is more important. As I said, Human females didn't have much choice anyway unlike birds where they're more equal. If they had a choice, Human males would also have developed increasingly weird features. For now we have a lot of incels and normies still among us, Chads are very less. They wouldn't exist if sexual selection had breeded them out. Or maybe women of different periods found different things attractive.
 
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How do dark circles indicate less survival rate.
It may indicate the person has a problem with their heart or kidneys, for example.
I think Brain or iq, and ability to handle chaos is more important.
That's too important. But usually healthy and beautiful people aren't stupid.
For now we have a lot of incels and normies still among us, Chads are very less.
It's because any woman is able to reproduce, unlike men. Besides, there are always negative mutations. Though even if only Staceys and Chads reproduced, we'd still have people with bad genes, but of course, the average person would become much better in terms of genetic quality.
 
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It may indicate the person has a problem with their heart or kidneys, for example.
Is this a real medical thing

Stupidity is pretty random, however good looking are more succesful and Neurotypicals are better at school because slavework of school. A scientist from early periods of last century and before that would find it very difficult to pass through current education system, because of its ever increasing order, rigidity and rat race competetition. That's why men are worse in school nowadays because women are better at memorizing and following orders.

I don't think a incel tier looking guy in pre historic times would have these much problems surviving or reproducing. If we were sexually selected forever, Human males would have pretty extra traits but instead some evidence like disadvantageous permanent boobs that human females have might have been sexually selected by human males.
 
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Is this a real medical thing
Yeah.
Women also focus on primitive traits which indirectly or directly helped men to survive and protect their women and children, such as tall height, thick* bones, big brow ridge and high cheekbones, big jaw, forward-grown maxilla, and so on.
 
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