Theory My Response to the "Correlation Doesn't Equal Causation Fallacy"

[DarkStar]

We commonly see this thrown around quite a bit, oftentimes, by the mainstream in order to further their narrative: I have also heard it re-iterated at various points in my education, both lower & higher levels of it.

From an objective standpoint, the "rule" does seem to somewhat make sense: All because a heavy correlation exists doesn't imply it directly caused the phenomenon which we are observing, right?

However, this neglects nuance on various levels.

It forgets that correlations often are a pattern, which showcases to us two traits may generally overlap with one another: Noticing patterns is very important of course, since that's effectively how the blackpill was first theorized. As is a similar case for many other theories, such as those on race, religion, culture, neurodiversity, etc.

In a way, it perhaps provides sort of "clues" to us that they are somewhat interlinked: Almost as if an "undercurrent" is somehow impacting the phenomena influencing both things, thus creating a heavy correlation between the two of them.

 

[KetamineAddictYoda]

Unless you have a peer reviewed study your pattern recognition is meaningless.

 

[KillNiggers]

They are just making excuses for us to believe in anecdotes.

 

[DarkStar]

Bump.

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

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[DarkStar]

Normie/SJW logic in a nutshell

What did you think of the rest of my thread?

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

Normie/SJW logic in a nutshell

What did you think of the rest of my thread?

Very good summation of the topic, I'll definitely have to remember this argument whenever I'll encounter someone saying that.

Also, as I've seen someone use once: "Correlation doesn't equal causation, but it sure means that you should take a closer look at what's happening here."

 

[DarkStar]

Very good summation of the topic, I'll definitely have to remember this argument whenever I'll encounter someone saying that.

All in a days work.

I also will remember your thread on the Czech Republic: One of the most "Whitest," tallest, and often stereotyped as "good looking" countries in Europe has a high-inceldom rate. Thus, it proves Inceldom is a universal problem, even if some demographics such as Rices are more impacted over it.

Also, as I've seen someone use once: "Correlation doesn't equal causation, but it sure means that you should take a closer look at what's happening here."

Good point, and basically a tl;dr of my thread

 

[DarkStar]

@GeckoBus @Chudpreet @LeFrenchCel @Ron.Belgrade @VideoGameCoper @Biowaste Removal @Regenerator

 

[NIGGER BOJANGLES]

Love that little picture at the end. Really drives home your points. If normies saw someone get sick or die after eating something, they would absolutely not eat it themselves. Just goes to prove they DO believe correlation can equal causation.

 

[Arabcel99]

High iq as usual, but even then what is the point of arguing with normies really? at the end of the day it wouldn't matter becuase they can't swallow the blackpill

 

[Shark]

High iq as usual, but even then what is the point of arguing with normies really? at the end of the day it wouldn't matter becuase they can't swallow the blackpill

True

 

[Shark]

It forgets that correlations often are a pattern, which showcases to us two traits may generally overlap with one another: Noticing patterns is very important of course, since that's effectively how the blackpill was first theorized. As is a similar case for many other theories, such as those on race, religion, culture, neurodiversity, etc.

Very true. Its important to notice patterns instead of just going by the black and white way of thinking. The world is complex and to understand it fully, one must not forget the details either. Brainwashed normies often seem to forget that

 

[Excalibur]

Good thread. Many fallacies like this are in some cases themselves a fallacy, stubbornly rejecting conclusions that are objectively true solely because the argument used contains a fallacy.

 

[Sloth]

Midwits use fallacies like these to make themselves seem smarter than they actually are. This is why the meme of the dumb and smart person agreeing on the same thing whilst the midwit disagrees, exist

 

[zerozerozero]

it is so retarded and cringe to try to use "correlation=/=causation" as a standalone argument, as if it is some kind of "gotcha"
high IQ

 

[Shark]

You should also make a thread about the appeal to nature fallacy @DarkStar. As you might know Im all about following nature and my worldview was greatly influenced by Ted Kaczinsky and Sv3rige to an extent which is why Im very curious to hear your stance on it

 

[DarkStar]

it is so retarded and cringe to try to use "correlation=/=causation" as a standalone argument, as if it is some kind of "gotcha"

It's just another epithet that gets thrown around, which they only know about due to the "education" (((system))) telling them so.

high IQ

You should also make a thread about the appeal to nature fallacy @DarkStar. As you might know Im all about following nature and my worldview was greatly influenced by Ted Kaczinsky and Sv3rige to an extent which is why Im very curious to hear your stance on it

I will take a look.

I also believe in the laws of nature, Hitler did also & that influenced a lot of his world, religious, and political views.

It's why I see myself as agnostic as opposed to atheist, since the laws of nature are effectively God.

Good thread. Many fallacies like this are in some cases themselves a fallacy, stubbornly rejecting conclusions that are objectively true solely because the argument used contains a fallacy.

It's ironic, because it's literally what they claim not to be.

Midwits use fallacies like these to make themselves seem smarter than they actually are. This is why the meme of the dumb and smart person agreeing on the same thing whilst the midwit disagrees, exist

That meme is very real & accurate.

 

[DarkStar]

@based_meme

 

[based_meme]

@based_meme

This phrase is used by laypersons and reddit NPCs without understanding the purpose behind it. The idea is to caution people from reaching potentially faulty conclusions based on incomplete information. Cause is understood to be the direct antecedent insofar as the logical chain of events, but correlation is usually more distant. In research one variable is typically measured against another. If changes in one yields some statistically significant change in another, it may or may not be the direct cause. This is so that other possible variables (confounds) are not discounted as possibilities. It may be true that the thing that's correlated is a direct cause, but without ruling out other possible causes, you can't rationally conclude that your measured variable is the direct cause.

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In real life scenariors the heuristic changes and should be far more conservative (being more cautious in this context). Since your life could potentially be at immediate risk, it would be rational to make the correlation=causation error.

This is one of those things that give rise to common sense wisdom that "everybody knows," but scientists still spend stupid amounts of money and time conducting water-tier experiments that confirm what people have always known for millennia, such as, "attractive people are more likely to have children."

 

[SandNiggerKANG1]

I agree

 

[SandNiggerKANG1]

Too bad because midwits rule the world

 

[lifesucksandyoudie]

The Fallacy Fallacy: Why Fallacious Arguments Can Have True Conclusions – Effectiviology

effectiviology.com

Besides, the same morons who incessantly spout this rhetoric have no idea how statistical hypothesis testing works because they're academically and scientifically illiterate. I doubt they ever heard of an ANOVA test in their lives, let alone know what that means and entails.

 

[deleted fren]

@Fat Link you should pin this my lord. It's absolutely genius

 

[Todd’s Pay Pig]

@Fat Link you should pin this my lord. It's absolutely genius

 

[deleted fren]

 

[Cybersex is our hope]

Unless you have a peer reviewed study your pattern recognition is meaningless.

Soyed out

 

[Cybersex is our hope]

Midwits use fallacies like these to make themselves seem smarter than they actually are. This is why the meme of the dumb and smart person agreeing on the same thing whilst the midwit disagrees, exist

 

[The Enforcer]

I believe that most people who use this as an excuse to dismiss, truly don't understand what it means or how to identify causes that link with correlations.

 

[Mayocel]

We commonly see this thrown around quite a bit, oftentimes, by the mainstream in order to further their narrative: I have also heard it re-iterated at various points in my education, both lower & higher levels of it.

From an objective standpoint, the "rule" does seem to somewhat make sense: All because a heavy correlation exists doesn't imply it directly caused the phenomenon which we are observing, right?

However, this neglects nuance on various levels.

It forgets that correlations often are a pattern, which showcases to us two traits may generally overlap with one another: Noticing patterns is very important of course, since that's effectively how the blackpill was first theorized. As is a similar case for many other theories, such as those on race, religion, culture, neurodiversity, etc.

In a way, it perhaps provides sort of "clues" to us that they are somewhat interlinked: Almost as if an "undercurrent" is somehow impacting the phenomena influencing both things, thus creating a heavy correlation between the two of them.

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Tbh I agree with the principle itself. Retards with no knowledge of statistics often use correlations to come to wrong conclusions, e.g. "sunscreen causes cancer".
We already have studies proving causation in the blackpill: halo effect studies, life outcome studies, behavioural studies.

The problem is that normies never cared in the first place. Like Tony Montana Said:
You need people like me so you can point your fuckin’ fingers and say, “That’s the bad guy.” So… what that make you? Good? You”re not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie. Me, I don’t have that problem.

 

[DarkStar]

@cvh1991

 

[SandNiggerKANG1]

Reddit rationalwiki midwits would seethe at this thread jfl

 

[DarkStar]

Reddit rationalwiki midwits would seethe at this thread jfl

I’d love to copy & paste it all over Reddit & places such as that

 

[SandNiggerKANG1]

I’d love to copy & paste it all over Reddit & places such as that

You would get a Reddit permaban if you did that jfl
How to get banned from Reddit any%

 

[Thaway]

"Correlation Doesn't Equal Causation" more often than not goes AGAINST normie believes.

 

[DarkStar]

"Correlation Doesn't Equal Causation" more often than not goes AGAINST normie believes.

How so?

 

[Thaway]

How so?

Well exactly the way you described it.

"because a heavy correlation exists doesn't imply it directly caused the phenomenon"
Normoids tend to not logically understand the root cause of things. It's one of the main components of their coping instinct.

You can find examples of this in every area of life. I'll give some examples :

Fashion, style, trends. Normies will mindlessly copy what good looking chad/stacy models are wearing and doing with their hair. The normoids brain can not fathom that the cause of chads attractiveness is his genetics, so it will always latch onto things that are just correlation and copy them expecting to basically become chad. It's the root of all modern marketing.

Other examples are obviously the normgroids brains lack of understanding events. Especially events that are "shocking". Let's say mass shooting or similar things. The root cause is never adressed (shunned men not getting their biological needs met). No the normie will of course come up with some retarded explanation how it is video games the shooter played, that cause the event.

In the same way normies also do not grasp the actual reasons for the existence of incels. The actual causes are basically never adressed and they are quick to point out things that may correlate but are usually never the cause. "Clean your room" ect... instead of deeply realizing it's genetic determinism at work.

The reason for normies not being good at identifying the actual root cause of things, is that it's rather irrelevant. Humans are simple, most people have low IQs and rather illogical. They simply have not evolved to need this level of understanding of the world to survive.

 

[DarkStar]

@Caesercel thoughts?

 

[Caesercel]

@Caesercel thoughts?

You can actually go full skeptic schizo with this and say that causation does not even exist and is purely arbitrary.

But more practically this

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In a way, it perhaps provides sort of "clues" to us that they are somewhat interlinked: Almost as if an "undercurrent" is somehow impacting the phenomena influencing both things, thus creating a heavy correlation between the two of them.

Seems to be correct

 

[CEO of Simps]

They are just making excuses for us to believe in anecdotes.

 

[fatass30000]

there needs to be a connection between the patterns or otherwise it’s just nonsense. I could say that every person that eats food eventually dies so food slowly causes death but we all know that’s utter nonsense. There should be an explanation as to how the food is slowly causing the death.

 

[forteanSocietySpy]

There has been an increase in global temperature and a decrease in the number of pirates.

Therefore pirates keep the world cooler