Blackpill Most people are feminists nowadays, even on incel sites, of all places

[Mainländer]

Being a feminist, just like being a communist, it's not something you simply say you are or aren't and get a little ID from it if the answer is positive. This is a very childish way to approach the extremely complex topic of how culture works.

Both communism and feminism (which is a spawn of it) had really competent, brilliant intellectuals who developed crafty strategies to spread those ideas to people. Antonio Gramsci, a Marxist intelectual, once said that his goal was for everyone to become a communist even if they don't even know what communism is. Feminism is even stronger as a subversion cultural weapon than communism itself is, since it taps on the natural gynocentric tendencies we already have as humans.

If you hold values such as:

- rape/pedophilia are worse than mutilation/torture

- women should both enjoy the freedom to hold authority positions AND be treated better, mollycoddled and punished less when they make mistakes

- it's ok for teens under whatever arbitrary age to have sex with each other, but not for an older person to have sex with teens under whatever arbitrary age

- just feeling attraction to someone under whatever arbitrary age should already be enough for someone to face legal/physical consequences

... you're a feminist, there's no way around it. All those ideological ideas who clearly make no sense logically speaking stem from feminism. You can be a mild feminist and even say you're an antifeminist and hate other feminist concepts, but you're still a feminist. You adhere to ideological concepts created by feminism, you're a feminist.

 

[Asgard]

The most possible outcome:

Societal collapse - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[PersonalityChimp]

Correct. This is why there will never be any real pushback against feminism as some people hope. Even most so-called anti-feminists are feminists, they just disagree on terminology and maybe on a couple of issues with 21st century third/fourth wave feminists and that's it.

 

[Mainländer]

The most possible outcome:

Societal collapse - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It will happen so that the elites will create the "great reset" they have been planning.

 

[Asgard]

Way to lay it out, unfortunately most people don't give a shit because some of this shit has been imprinted in their fucking minds their whole lives, they don't even dare challenge those ideas and will simply call you a sicko and get done with it.

Do not worry.

Societal collapse - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Grim_Reaper]

If you hold values such as:

- rape/pedophilia are worse than mutilation/torture

- women should both enjoy the freedom to hold authority positions AND be treated better, mollycoddled and punished less when they make mistakes

- it's ok for teens under whatever arbitrary age to have sex with each other, but not for an older person to have sex with teens under whatever arbitrary age

- just feeling attraction to someone under whatever arbitrary age should already be enough for someone to face legal/physical consequences.

Tbh, I don't think most men hold these values, but they have no other choice if they want to appease to foids.

 

[LesscoBlob]

- rape/pedophilia are worse than mutilation/torture

All are bad, but not worse than mutilation/torture.

- women should both enjoy the freedom to hold authority positions AND be treated better, mollycoddled and punished less when they make mistakes

Women should be punished for making mistakes. Everyone should.

- it's ok for teens under whatever arbitrary age to have sex with each other, but not for an older person to have sex with teens under whatever arbitrary age

Among teens who are within the age of consent, there usually is consent even from the teenager. The thing about this is that girls date old men for the status (because old men have more money), proving that women do not actually view men as human.

- just feeling attraction to someone under whatever arbitrary age should already be enough for someone to face legal/physical consequences

Acting is different than feeling. Acting pedophiles should go to jail. Non-offending ones who don't molest children shouldn't as they haven't actually commited a crime.

... you're a feminist, there's no way around it. All those ideological ideas who clearly make no sense logically speaking stem from feminism. You can be a mild feminist and even say you're an antifeminist and hate other feminist concepts, but you're still a feminist. You adhere to ideological concepts created by feminism, you're a feminist.

This is a part that I dissagree with. There's only one thing that makes you a "pure" feminist, and that's ONLY if you hate men. Feminism is an anti-male ideology that is centered around hating the male sex. "Feminist" viewpoints that don't have anything to do with hating men aren't "feminist" viewpoints. If you don't hate men, you're not a feminist.

 

[Mainländer]

Way to lay it out, unfortunately most people don't give a shit because some of this shit has been imprinted in their fucking minds their whole lives, they don't even dare challenge those ideas and will simply call you a sicko and get done with it.

Exactly, the cultural penetration of those ideas was so profound that merely questioning them probably feels like cursing God in public during the middle ages to most people nowadays.

Correct. This is why there will never be any real pushback against feminism as some people hope. Even most so-called anti-feminists are feminists, they just disagree on terminology and maybe on a couple of issues with 21st century third/fourth wave feminists and that's it.

Your post reminded me of that meme where the Trump supporter and the Bernie supporter are accusing each other of disrespecting women while both the trad and the leftist women had smartphones with a match with Chad in Tinder by their sides, being fawned by the men. That was perfect, I wish I could find it again.

 

[Incedel]

Exactly, the cultural penetration of those ideas was so profound that merely questioning them probably feels like cursing God in public during the middle ages to most people nowadays.

Yup, its essentially its own religions with good guys and bad guys and a set of belief that would magically align the world into a better utopia, it even has more extreme versions like tranny acceptance, that somehow became a normal view within the mainstream in less than 10 years and it goes AGAINST out natural tendencies since we can all tell a man and women simply from voice and bone structure.

 

[Mainländer]

This is a part that I dissagree with. There's only one thing that makes you a "pure" feminist, and that's ONLY if you hate men. Feminism is an anti-male ideology that is centered around hating the male sex. "Feminist" viewpoints that don't have anything to do with hating men aren't "feminist" viewpoints. If you don't hate men, you're not a feminist.

It's a cultural thing. One could be picky about the semantics of the whole thing, but even if words do not describe things perfectly, like Aristotle already noticed way back in the day, we still rely on words to describe things.

For instance, there are 5 points in Calvinism. If I only believe in two of them, for instance, I'm not a non-Calvinist, I'm rather described as a 2 point Calvinist. I could say, "but I never even read anything from Calvin", but still, the ideas from those points were introduced in the mainstream of Christianity by Calvin, so it's still the word we use to describe people who believe in these points.

 

[LesscoBlob]

It's a cultural thing. One could be picky about the semantics of the whole thing, but even if words do not describe things perfectly, like Aristotle already noticed way back in the day, we still rely on words to describe things.

Correct.

For instance, there are 5 points in Calvinism. If I only believe in two of them, for instance, I'm not a non-Calvinist, I'm rather described as a 2 point Calvinist. I could say, "but I never even read anything from Calvin", but still, the ideas from those points were introduced in the mainstream of Christianity by Calvin, so it's still the word we use to describe people who believe in these points.

That is true and you would be -in a sense- more of a Calvinist than your typical non-Calvinist, but to actual Calvinists, you wouldn't be considered a Calvinist.

 

[Mainländer]

That is true and you would be -in a sense- more of a Calvinist than your typical non-Calvinist, but to actual Calvinists, you wouldn't be considered a Calvinist.

Of course, but that's only natural. Every movement has divisions saying the other division is not really part of the group. Like communists wouldn't consider Fascism Marxist, even though it stemmed from Marxism. Or, following the Christian example from before, Christians who wouldn't consider Catholics/Calvinists/Mormons/carnal Christians/you name it "really" Christian.

I think the exercise of tracking where ideas/concepts/etc came from is really really useful and this is a more consistent way to classify things compared to seeking for some type of consensus which rarely exists in any movement anyways. I'm sure there are milder feminists who define feminism as "equality" and say women hating men is not "true feminism" as well.

 

[LesscoBlob]

Of course, but that's only natural. Every movement has divisions saying the other division is not really part of the group. Like communists wouldn't consider Fascism marxist, even though it stemmed from Marxism. Or, following the Christian example from before, Christians who wouldn't consider Catholics/Calvinists/Mormons/Carnal Christians/you name it, really, "really" Christian.

We really need to find a way to be able to be considered as part of a group from an objective perspective, otherwise everyone can just use the "no true Scotsman" arguement.

 

[ADHD_cel]

It’s over

 

[Asgard]

We're living in late-roman style decadence and degeneracy.

So, incels would be:

 

[ADHD_cel]

- rape/pedophilia are worse than mutilation/torture

- women should both enjoy the freedom to hold authority positions AND be treated better, mollycoddled and punished less when they make mistakes

- it's ok for teens under whatever arbitrary age to have sex with each other, but not for an older person to have sex with teens under whatever arbitrary age

, but I don’t promote jbmaxxing for the reason you know

- just feeling attraction to someone under whatever arbitrary age should already be enough for someone to face legal/physical consequences

Thanks for the check, I’m a hardcore anti-feminist

 

[Soulflayer]

Being a feminist, just like being a communist, it's not something you simply say you are or aren't and get a little ID from it if the answer is positive. This is a very childish way to approach the extremely complex topic of how culture works.

Both communism and feminism (which is a spawn of it) had really competent, brilliant intellectuals who developed crafty strategies to spread those ideas to people. Antonio Gramsci, a Marxist intelectual, once said that his goal was for everyone to become a communist even if they don't even know what communism is. Feminism is even stronger as a subversion cultural weapon than communism itself is, since it taps on the natural gynocentric tendencies we already have as humans.

If you hold values such as:

- rape/pedophilia are worse than mutilation/torture

- women should both enjoy the freedom to hold authority positions AND be treated better, mollycoddled and punished less when they make mistakes

- it's ok for teens under whatever arbitrary age to have sex with each other, but not for an older person to have sex with teens under whatever arbitrary age

- just feeling attraction to someone under whatever arbitrary age should already be enough for someone to face legal/physical consequences

... you're a feminist, there's no way around it. All those ideological ideas who clearly make no sense logically speaking stem from feminism. You can be a mild feminist and even say you're an antifeminist and hate other feminist concepts, but you're still a feminist. You adhere to ideological concepts created by feminism, you're a feminist.

Wtf does communism have to do with feminism? I think you meant socialism here, under socialism men work to fund single mothers through welfare, under communism everyone has to work in brutal conditions for barely any money.

 

[Mainländer]

, but I don’t promote jbmaxxing for the reason you know



Thanks for the check, I’m a hardcore anti-feminist

Wtf does communism have to do with feminism? I think you meant socialism here, under socialism men work to fund single mothers through welfare, under communism everyone has to work in brutal conditions for barely any money.

Then we go back to semantics. I prefer the "communist" term rather than the "socialism" one because I'm referring to marxist socialism/communism, one thing is a step to the other anyways.

Communism is another very complex topic. There's so much wirtten about it that you could spend all your life reading only the most relevant works about it and you still wouldn't be done by the time you died. The whole thing is really complex and changed a lot through times.

 

[Mainländer]

The hysteria surrounding age gap relationships is the worst by far. The erroneous notion that marrying pubescent girls is the equivalent to a creepy old Jew kidnapping and raping toddlers.

Marrying pubescent girls? It's way worse than just that, if you think about it, "pedophilia", the same word, is used to describe both violently raping a baby to death and liking a 17 yo when you're over 25 or something, nowadays.

 

[PersonalityChimp]

So, incels would be:

Lifefuel for Huncels

 

[Mainländer]

A 25 year old that had a consensual relationship with a 13 year old is seen as worse than a mass murderer that killed 30 people during a drug deal. And normies cheer if that 25 year old would get beaten to death by that said mass-murderer and some would cheer him as a hero.

A mass murderer who killed 30 people wouldn't merely get less hate than the adult who had consensual sex with the teenage girl, he'd also drown in pussy kek. His mailbox in jail would be more full than a New Dehli train station.

It all goes back to the might makes right thing, killing tons of people and making an impact like that is seen as strong, "pedophilia" (feministically-defined) is seen as weak. But I don't advise anyone to thug/atrocitymaxx, it's really not worth it. And immoral, of course.

 

[NorthernWind]

One of the consequences of feminism or preoccupation with women's issues is a drastic decrease of the number of prostitutes.
Even in my small country which was mostly agrarian before WW2, in one of the biggest cities there were ten times more prostitutes in 1927 than now.
So spreading of feminism greatly reduces availability for undesirable men to have at least [cheap] paid sex. Its just common sense that the less there are prostitutes, the more they will cost.
I imagine what in XIX century and maybe in the first half of XX century average male could find many sorts of prostitutes, with different body types and a wide age range from very young to very old.
Now even the escorts are entitled and have standards.
Btw, I don't think sleeping with prostitute is a good choice. It's a sin and may even destroy one's life but it's natural in our fallen world and today's moral panic about prostitution has nothing to do with improving morals but with feminist pressure and tradcuck retardation and gynocentrism.

 

[Mainländer]

One of the consequences of feminism or preoccupation with women's issues is a drastic decrease of the number of prostitutes.
Even in my small country which was mostly agrarian before WW2, in one of the biggest cities there were ten times more prostitutes in 1927 than now.
So spreading of feminism greatly reduces availability for undesirable men to have at least [cheap] paid sex. Its just common sense that the less there are prostitutes, the more they will cost.
I imagine what in XIX century and maybe in the first half of XX century average male could find many sorts of prostitutes, with different body types and a wide age range from very young to very old.
Now even the escorts are entitled and have standards.
Btw, I don't think sleeping with prostitute is a good choice. It's a sin and may even destroy one's life but it's natural in our fallen world and today's moral panic about prostitution has nothing to do with improving morals but with feminist pressure and tradcuck retardation and gynocentrism.

Outlawing prostitution while supporting and even encouraging adultery, fornication, trans shit and mentally ill people getting mutilated for life because of it, frivorce, etc etc is just like punishing a minor criminal harshly while you not only not punish but give a prize to another way worse criminal. It's plain injustice, not morals. It's only to screw up men without options further.

The ultimate proof of it is the popular legal model where only the Johns ar criminalized but the prostitutes not, that many countries adopt. so not even the questionable moral good is accomplished, it's solely to screw the men from the lower strata up.

 

[NorthernWind]

The ultimate proof of it is the popular legal model where only the Johns ar criminalized but the prostitutes not, that many countries adopt. so not even the questionable moral good is accomplished, it's solely to screw the men from the lower strata up.

In Sweden they can even put you in prison up to one year for buying sex but being tranny is OK .

 

[92 drowsiness?]

Both communism and feminism (which is a spawn of it) had really competent, brilliant intellectuals who developed crafty strategies to spread those ideas to people.

This is fucking nuts,communist is literally bullshit spreaded all over people imagine believing in any of that crap i used to believe in communism when i was 11 year old and after a few months in a awaked up from this shit,but indeed for normal people is like a trap they fall in and never leave and they believe that this utopia will happen just like fascism.

 

[DarkStarDown]

The most possible outcome:

Societal collapse - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Based Assadcel

 

[Martes]

The most possible outcome:

Societal collapse - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org