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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeOz-jjSSPQ
(I know, it's in Portuguese, but posting anyway for the lusophone bros to watch).
Basically, humans go through different developmental stages since birth, which are schematized and explained by this theory. To reach a stage, you must have reached all other stages prior to this new one. To sum it up:
Layer 1= the body is all that exists (newborn level)
Layer 2= interest goes outside the body, but other beings are indiscernible from objects, or from self for that matter (infant level)
Layer 3= the circle of social interactions opens itself to the person; everything becomes like a game to the person (child level)
Layer 4 = the world of one's emotions, historically consolidated; things begin to considered in terms of time and being about feelings; life is basically pursuing happiness and avoiding pain (teenager level)
I won't elab much on levels 5 and above here because otherwise this thread would become superlong, but basically 5 is reaching adulthood, 8 is reaching full adult maturity and 9 and beyond are becoming someone distinguished so to speak (9 is the intellectual life for instance).
Everything fell into place for me after watching that lecture. The fixation so many people here (me included; I'm also a layer 4 myself) have on "teen love", the running from pain and pursue of pleasure (copes)/happiness (dreams of love, a teen Chad life), etc.
This study makes even much more sense to me after getting to know more about the whole mess of BPDs (borderlines), NPDs (narcissists) and codependents.
But before IT prints this and says something like "See! It's your personalities! Work on them, you manchildren!" I'd like to stress that the malignant NPD Chads many of IT members date (user "Kstop" comes to mind) ARE BELOW US, STUCK ON LAYER 3. Also, many of the members from IT themselves are BPDs, which are stuck at layer 2.
Layer 4 is basically codependency. You're not using others as objects like people from layers 2 and 3 do (BPDs and NPDs), you already have empathy and the full notion that other individuals are not objects nor yourself; but you're needing them in your pursuit of happiness. The fact being stuck at layer 4 is so common here also explains why so many people here are also NEETs (when possible) or hate to work. Layer 4 is basically being a teenager, you want to date teenagers and be finantially supported by your parents. The whole being an adult and working thing starts at layer 5.
Layer 4 codependents will likely get hurt if in relationships with layer 2 and 3 people, since, contrary to them, those two groups don't experience consistent empathy and treat people just as objects (that's why both BPDs and NPDs are known for hurting people, particularly layer 4 codependents; NPDs being even worse since they have greater dominium of their social abilities, but still lacking empathy and the full notion that other people are actually people and not objects), but at least we layer 4s experience way leass internal pain/emptiness than 3s and especially 2s.
This also further supports my theory of most sexual abuse being committed by cluster Bs; just like we, who are at teenage level, want to date teenagers, it'd make sense for a layer 2 or 3 person to want to have sex with children. Also, it's notable that most BPDs have NPD/psychopath parents who sexually abuse them during childhood.
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