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Discussion Men without Work — Data on the rise of NEET men in the USA

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View: https://youtu.be/d43Z3GnTrqs

Very interesting presentation with a whole ton of data on the topic.

The TLDW is that in all western countries but especially the USA there has been a dramatic increase in the number of unemployed men that are not even looking for work.

Sadly the presenter seems to tiptoe around the obvious at several points and also can’t seem to go 5 minutes without shilling for how awesome women are (e.g. “These men don’t even help around the house but women are always busy even when they have jobs” and “women entering the workforce was totally great guys”).

In his presentation on of his points is literally how women entering the workforce destroyed the value of labor — but of course he presents it in the most PC/norman-bot way possible (though I guess he’d have to keep his job in fairness).

He did talk about for unmarried men without kids being a NEET is extremely common and far far more common than for married men. Education level, race, doesn’t matter by comparison — if you are married with kids that is the biggest determinant.

Once again though he kinda just blows past the obvious — women will not even look at you as marriage material (unless you’re gorgeous) if you don’t have a good job and money. For a lot of men the only reason they even bother with working is because they want to attract women. If that’s not enough men give up and check out.

He also talks about how people lie on self reported data yet still sucks off working women for “juggling so much at home unlike men” lol. Nah nigga men just don’t lie on the surveys as much. My mother and sisters believe they do so much when they don’t do shit — they overreport basically.

Anyway, actually a very interesting video with a lot of good data but the presenter seemed to be overlooking the obvious. By the end it also seemed clear reading between the lines that he doesn’t even like the concept of any welfare for men *specifically* though maybe I’m pegging him wrong there. That is a very very common conception though — that welfare isn’t meant for men. Where I live it is much easier to get both jobs and welfare as a woman due to affirmative action bullshit. Notice he didn’t touch on that either.

Just seemed like the kind of presentation where a million black pills were staring this guy in the face, but at least the data is a treasure trove.
 
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The other reason men aren’t working is because it just isn’t worth it a lot of the time from an earnings standpoint. If you have literally any other option than homelessness I’d take it rather than work my life away for scraps/pennies.

I work because I must or I’ll be homeless. If I didn’t have to you get your ass I wouldn’t. I’d quit tomorrow if I could.

I work all the time and can’t afford shit, getting treated at my job like shit. And yeah — people are far far kinder to women in my workplace than they are towards men. If you’re a woman — especially a young pretty woman — people are patient with you and will move heaven and earth if you don’t get something. If you’re a man get fucked. How it is now.

Why am I gonna kill myself for a job where I’m not appreciated and where I get paid shit? Can’t afford anything but to barely get by. That’s why men aren’t working — unless you’re lucky and have a good job it often isn’t worth it.

And if I can’t even get a family of my own why the fuck should men try? We’ll just do the bare minimum because it isn’t worth it to do more.
 
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For many men there are two options if you aren’t on a clear path to good earnings.

1. Get a job, single, and spend 100%+ of your income to live.
2. Stay at home, single, neet, spend nothing and have the same amount of money as a wage slave.

There’s no incentive to work if you don’t expect to make above a living wage.
 
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Haha... all I can do is laugh exasperatedly. Men will continue to be blamed for the ruts they find themselves in, shamed for not picking themselves up by the bootstraps and signing a deal that very much fucks them over in the long run. Just tired of it all... I have no hopes of things improving. Whatever. I'll continue to cope with the material.

I often wonder whether this is just a problem that we are experiencing or whether normie men also are suffering. I assume the issue is growing amongst them.
 
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We just need a black swan event for all of these negative indicators to finally lead to societal upheaval
 
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This was 5 years ago imagine how worse it’s gotten today man
 
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Neetdom will prevail
 
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The other reason men aren’t working is because it just isn’t worth it a lot of the time from an earnings standpoint. If you have literally any other option than homelessness I’d take it rather than work my life away for scraps/pennies.

I work because I must or I’ll be homeless. If I didn’t have to you get your ass I wouldn’t. I’d quit tomorrow if I could.

I work all the time and can’t afford shit, getting treated at my job like shit. And yeah — people are far far kinder to women in my workplace than they are towards men. If you’re a woman — especially a young pretty woman — people are patient with you and will move heaven and earth if you don’t get something. If you’re a man get fucked. How it is now.

Why am I gonna kill myself for a job where I’m not appreciated and where I get paid shit? Can’t afford anything but to barely get by. That’s why men aren’t working — unless you’re lucky and have a good job it often isn’t worth it.

And if I can’t even get a family of my own why the fuck should men try? We’ll just do the bare minimum because it isn’t worth it to do more.
Very well put, couldn't have said it better myself.

In today's day and age there's no future for wageslaves other than the fading hopes of eventually getting to betabuxx a post wall toilet, who's going to divorce rape and strip you off most of your well earned properties anyway, mostly through the power of pussy and cucked government laws.

With such mediocre future prospects and the ever increasing amount of lonely men due to hypergamy it's only natural that male presence in the workforce is in decline. Sometimes I wonder myself if I really want to pursue a career, work an office job, and work my ass off for all my life only to get nothing but maybe a few copes which I won't even get to enjoy to the fullest due to the insane working schedules and consequent burnout. Hell the fact that attractive people get paid obscene amounts of money for merely existing (modeling, onlyfans account, social media simps etc.), is demotivating enough as it is. Just grind till you make it while chad does it with less than half the effort theory, let alone foids. It's just plain dumb, unfair and humiliating so why even bother being a drone to a system that values looks over all else.
 
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If only my parents could afford a higher quality of neeting , i wouldn't feel the need to start waging
 
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Sometimes I wonder myself if I really want to pursue a career, work an office job, and work my ass off for all my life only to get nothing but maybe a few copes which I won't even get to enjoy to the fullest due to the insane working schedules and consequent burnout.
It's not even about wondering IF you really want to do that or not; it's simply out of reach. A man in the (((current year))) simply cannot just "decide" he is going to work hard and get into a good position. It's completely out of reach.

There’s no incentive to work if you don’t expect to make above a living wage.
it just isn’t worth it a lot of the time from an earnings standpoint.
This x999999
 
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The TLDW is that in all western countries but especially the USA there has been a dramatic increase in the number of unemployed men that are not even looking for work.
now add in the underemployed men / ones that work shit jobs the least they can to get by and have absolutely no way to achieve upward mobility. I'd say combined, that accounts for roughly 50% of men AT LEAST in this society.

things are so fucked already and it just spirals deeper and none of these fucking npcs can see anything. they just want to line up for their latest kikeccine booster and bend over for the latest (((current thought)))

soon we'll see the fucking in public of chads with harems while bluepilled men are locked into dark chambers doing slave labor to keep the pretty people alive.

us blackpillers will either be in league with the kikes or be shot
 
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For many men there are two options if you aren’t on a clear path to good earnings.

1. Get a job, single, and spend 100%+ of your income to live.
2. Stay at home, single, neet, spend nothing and have the same amount of money as a wage slave.

There’s no incentive to work if you don’t expect to make above a living wage.
Nailed it mate — I’d live at home if I could but my mother charges rent as steep as a studio apartment. She’s unemployed and hasn’t had to work a day in her life — her father took care of her then her husband did and after she divorced him she just coasts off the money from that. It’s crazy that women get to do that but men don’t. Women actually have a choice to be a stay at home parent, the vast and overwhelming majority of men do not. We’re expected to work our lives away (and for what?) and then you can get divorce raped by some asshole who then takes all the savings you’ve slaved for — it’s a joke.

I’ve been looking for a way out for ages but where I live welfare, especially welfare for working aged men, is non-existent. I could go back to school but where I live that would put me deep into debt due to the cost. No way out, just gotta keep my head down and work.

It might be fine except the higher ups in companies treat their underlings like disposable garbage. I swear the higher up you go you seem to do less work for more respect and money — the system is rigged. Men are catching on so any opportunity they have to get out or do the bare minimum they’re taking.

Side note if any of y’all have any suggestions for easy/low stress jobs hit me up. Thanks,
 
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Haha... all I can do is laugh exasperatedly. Men will continue to be blamed for the ruts they find themselves in, shamed for not picking themselves up by the bootstraps and signing a deal that very much fucks them over in the long run. Just tired of it all... I have no hopes of things improving. Whatever. I'll continue to cope with the material.

I often wonder whether this is just a problem that we are experiencing or whether normie men also are suffering. I assume the issue is growing amongst them.
Very well put — that’s exactly the presenter did. It’s crazy how you can have this data staring you in the face but people, even other men, are so ingrained in just putting the blame onto men and not looking at it sympathetically. This is why women have gotten so far ahead — they work together instead of compete and people broadly actually sympathize with them.

Anytime men have a problem nobody gives a shit and men are blamed directly for their own problems. Sometimes that’s reasonable but it’s surreal to behold how disposable men are.
 
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Very well put, couldn't have said it better myself.

In today's day and age there's no future for wageslaves other than the fading hopes of eventually getting to betabuxx a post wall toilet, who's going to divorce rape and strip you off most of your well earned properties anyway, mostly through the power of pussy and cucked government laws.

With such mediocre future prospects and the ever increasing amount of lonely men due to hypergamy it's only natural that male presence in the workforce is in decline. Sometimes I wonder myself if I really want to pursue a career, work an office job, and work my ass off for all my life only to get nothing but maybe a few copes which I won't even get to enjoy to the fullest due to the insane working schedules and consequent burnout. Hell the fact that attractive people get paid obscene amounts of money for merely existing (modeling, onlyfans account, social media simps etc.), is demotivating enough as it is. Just grind till you make it while chad does it with less than half the effort theory, let alone foids. It's just plain dumb, unfair and humiliating so why even bother being a drone to a system that values looks over all else.
You’re right for what it’s worth. Well said mate. It’s crazy that nobody seems to notice and nobody seems to care. What you described with getting divorce raped happened to my father. Very common sadly, divorce law is fucked. A lot of women will use men as a meal ticket then drop them like a potato when it’s convenient or they find an upgrade. People will say men do this too but that’s a misconception because it’s more rare by a wide margin (e.g. blackpill science studies on divorce rates/who initiates/rates on who works and who stays home/rates on how many options women have to date vs men limiting men’s ability to “monkey branch” by comparison, etc). Really pisses me off when people act like men and women are the same because we’re not. Never have been.

Side note if I could go back in time I’d study accounting, but it’s too late for me now. Accounting seems to be that middle ground between pragmatism but not quite in that realm of super rocket scientist genius level intellect required for computer science and engineering. That or I’d study what women study — bullshit for boring easy office jobs. HR etc. Sadly I’m now locked into a line of work I hate because I’m not qualified for anything else. But I digress…
 
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AI will make this situation worse.
 
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It's not even about wondering IF you really want to do that or not; it's simply out of reach. A man in the (((current year))) simply cannot just "decide" he is going to work hard and get into a good position. It's completely out of reach.



This x999999
Have worked in my industry for more than 10 years. It’s 100% who you know.

For example, you know that hack Dave Ramsey? He shits all over liberal arts degrees in his show but then when his daughter got one he immediately put her into a cushy job in his company.

Where I work — the owner just gave the company to his kid who turned around and sold it for millions and millions.

People I knew in school got their high ranking jobs purely because their parents knew high ranking members of a given company and so on.

Let’s say you don’t have the experience you need for a position — well, if you know the right people, they may give you a shot anyway. It’s why it really pays to have family that are well connected. Many people do not hage this of course.

Add onto this how once you get sufficiently high in a company hierarchy and you’re basically paid exorbitant sums of money to do nothing (e.g. “you delegate”) and if anything goes wrong you blame the people beneath you. Or, they steal your work at the last second and take credit for it, etc. Have seen this over and over again. Office politics and popularity is another end of it. If you’re an ugly manlet good luck even getting into a cushy position — people naturally dont like you.

If you’re like most of us you’re expected to actually work your ass off and carry these parasites then they pay you the bare minimum. It’s a total joke and the system is rigged. I would not work if I didn’t have to survive. Or, rather — I would work happily if I could get one of those cushy positions where you sit in meetings all day and people suck up to you because you’re higher in the company hierarchy.

If you ever wondered why the poor wish could retire and quit their miserable jobs today while these wealthy company owners keep working forever it’s because their job is incomparable to a real job. They basically don’t do anything but get all of this respect money and acclaim. For your hard work. It’s nepotism all the way down in most cases.
 
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Side note if any of y’all have any suggestions for easy/low stress jobs hit me up. Thanks,
Being a hospital porter. All you have to do is push a trolley along a corridor from one room to another.

Hospitals are big places with a lot going on so it's also interesting and the day will pass quickly.
 
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Being a hospital porter. All you have to do is push a trolley along a corridor from one room to another.

Hospitals are big places with a lot going on so it's also interesting and the day will pass quickly.
Thanks man
 
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these wealthy company owners keep working forever it’s because their job is incomparable to a real job. They basically don’t do anything but get all of this respect money and acclaim.
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Very well put, couldn't have said it better myself.

In today's day and age there's no future for wageslaves other than the fading hopes of eventually getting to betabuxx a post wall toilet, who's going to divorce rape and strip you off most of your well earned properties anyway, mostly through the power of pussy and cucked government laws.
 
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